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Paul Ryan’s Crazy Plan to Save Immigration Reform (GOP's No. 1 Priority- Nothing Else Matters)
New York Magazine ^ | 7/31/2013

Posted on 07/31/2013 10:56:43 AM PDT by nickcarraway

If the Senate immigration bill came up for a vote in the House, it would probably pass — some of the Republicans and almost all of the Democrats would combine for 218 votes. But conservatives have extracted promises from John Boehner not to let that happen, and the Speaker has dutifully pledged to keep the House from voting on any bill that lacks the support of most Republicans.

That would seem to make comprehensive reform pretty dead, right? Except Paul Ryan, who clearly wants to pass a bill, floated a way around this promise:

QUESTIONER: One of the biggest frustrations we’re seeing right now is hearing Speaker Boehner, that he’s going to follow the Hastert Rule. That he’s not going to bring any of these bills forward unless they have a majority support of the majority party. What’s your position, should you maintain that?

RYAN: [...] Bringing these bills to the floor, we’ll find out. It is not, “they don’t come to the floor unless we have a majority of the majority,” because we don’t know if we have a majority until we vote on it. So here’s where I see things going. I’ve spoken to John Boehner as recently as three days ago about this, which is, we all agree it is better to legislate in stages instead of one big thousand plus page bill that no one has read. [...] I’m trying to get to a consensus so a majority of us do support those component parts. I believe that’s achievable because when people really look at the details and they focus on what’s right, I believe what I’ve just laid out is something that a consensus of Republicans and Democrats can agree to.

Ryan is saying here that you can't know if Republicans support a bill until you actually hold the vote. I mean, you could ask them, but hey, who knows? Maybe they'll change their minds! Or maybe they'll try to vote against the bill but vote for it by accident. It happens. So the plan he's discussing here apparently would be to bring some bills to the floor and then find out if most Republicans support them. Of course, the likely outcome is that they discover that an overwhelming majority of Republicans really don't like the bill and vote against it, but it gets 200 Democratic votes and passes, by which point it's too late.

Are conservatives dumb enough to be fooled by this? I really doubt it. Is Ryan even going to try to fool them in such a ham-fisted way? I doubt that too. So why is he even floating this? Is he that desperate?


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1 posted on 07/31/2013 10:56:43 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

GOP is determined to commit suicide, and in so doing, doom the republic.


2 posted on 07/31/2013 11:01:31 AM PDT by marron
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To: marron

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

oh,and:

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$


3 posted on 07/31/2013 11:02:42 AM PDT by warchild9
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To: marron

The GOP helped kill the Republic. This would be the final nail in the coffin.


4 posted on 07/31/2013 11:07:56 AM PDT by i_robot73 (We hold that all individuals have the Right to exercise sole dominion over their own lives - LP.org)
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To: nickcarraway

Hey, Ryan, how about spending your time on coming up with another “Roadmap” that balances the budget in about 40 years and forget about amnesty. You’ll do less damage that way.


5 posted on 07/31/2013 11:12:08 AM PDT by SharpRightTurn (White, black, and red all over--America's affirmative action, metrosexual president.)
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To: marron

GOP is determined to commit suicide
*********
And THAT is their #1 priority.


6 posted on 07/31/2013 11:12:20 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: warchild9

I figure Ryan will net between 5-10 million for his trason. Could be more.


7 posted on 07/31/2013 11:13:12 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (K I L L T H E B I L L !!)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

treason


8 posted on 07/31/2013 11:13:27 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (K I L L T H E B I L L !!)
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To: marron

They’re in recess.

Picket in front of their house.


9 posted on 07/31/2013 11:14:25 AM PDT by Ray76 (Common sense immigration reform: Enforce Existing Law)
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To: nickcarraway

False urgency - just like Obamacare.


10 posted on 07/31/2013 11:29:13 AM PDT by Iron Munro (They Old. That's Old School People. We In A New School, Our Generation)
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To: nickcarraway

If the (Obama controlled) FBI plays you a “visit” laying down the law.. WHO KNOWS how you might VOTE?..

Ryan going all John McLame on you.... or John McLame going all MAxine Waters on you can be explained..

Its might be the old “GODFATHER” ploy..
You know.. “An offer you cannot refuse”..
A visit from the IRS, or the EPA condemning some of your property.. OR a hidden “SIN” or two..
Or even suicide with a bullet to the back of your head.. i.e. Vince Foster.. or a relative you love..


11 posted on 07/31/2013 11:30:22 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

The question is “from where?”

There’s no doubt there’s a payoff somewhere, via some anonymous Citizen’s United laundering scheme.


12 posted on 07/31/2013 11:30:23 AM PDT by warchild9
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To: nickcarraway

What’s the odds that Romney did a Vulcan Mind Meld on Ryan?

It seems that somewhere along the way he suddenly got stupid.


13 posted on 07/31/2013 11:41:32 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: hosepipe
Its might be the old “GODFATHER” ploy.. You know.. “An offer you cannot refuse”.. A visit from the IRS, or the EPA condemning some of your property.. OR a hidden “SIN” or two.. Or even suicide with a bullet to the back of your head.. i.e. Vince Foster.. or a relative you love..

Why would one not think this, especially since we are more corrupt than any other so-called free country.

14 posted on 07/31/2013 11:44:57 AM PDT by Digger
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To: warchild9
The question is “from where?”

I've read the big Republican donors are demanding "immigration" be passed lest a Republican never be elected again. Immigration of course is DC code for amnesty.

Have lefties taken control of the Republicans in DC by way of campaign donations? With the overtness and magnitude of the scandals afoot, it seems like the left is going for the kill shot on the conservative right in this country. Once amnesty passes, I think they will have succeeded. We won't see a Republican President or Majority in either house (think Detroit) until blood is shed.

15 posted on 07/31/2013 11:52:00 AM PDT by IamConservative (The soul of my lifes journey is Liberty!)
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To: IamConservative; warchild9

” I’ve read the big Republican donors are demanding “immigration” be passed lest a Republican never be elected again.”

Anyone who buys this LIE is probably too stupid to survive.

If anything, the opposite is true.

The Chamber of Commerce

Home builders

Banks(high interest loans to illiterate slobs)

Other companies who benefit from cheap labor.....are buying Republicans


16 posted on 07/31/2013 12:16:38 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (K I L L T H E B I L L !!)
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To: nickcarraway

I want you to know ryan... that I will back every Conservative that challenges you until we retire your traitorous liberal republican ass from Congress.


17 posted on 07/31/2013 12:27:14 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: Digger

Why would one not think this, especially since we are more corrupt than any other so-called free country.


Correction; are becoming AS CORRUPT.. not more corrupt..
As the U.S. DEPORTS GOD(the generic one).. it slides down the slippery slope..

What slope?... The slippery slope of corruption..
Bribery has ALWAYS been culturally significant in other places.. NOT so in the U.S..

The Christian Work Ethic and... all that..
Workers are NOW bribed with a minimum wage..
And federal workers(and states) are bribed with a lavish lifestyle in retirement..
as Unions parasitize the economy..


18 posted on 07/31/2013 12:54:48 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: IamConservative

There won’t be any blood shed.

When the peasants start feeling the next wave of economic bites, watch for a ramping-up in violent sports and things like animal-killing programs or dangerous wild animal shows. These are for the working-class as a dangling mobile is for an infant.

Football—basketball-hockey: noise, colorful movement, violence...

Dazzling them with sports! Sports!! SPORTS!!! has been working very well so far.


19 posted on 07/31/2013 1:14:21 PM PDT by warchild9
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To: stephenjohnbanker; All

It’s official.

I want to be bought.

I’m taking bids.


20 posted on 07/31/2013 1:15:44 PM PDT by warchild9
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To: warchild9

” It’s official.

I want to be bought.

I’m taking bids.”

I have posted many times that Rubio & Ryan will make the most.


21 posted on 07/31/2013 1:28:05 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (K I L L T H E B I L L !!)
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To: warchild9

” Dazzling them with sports! Sports!! SPORTS!!! has been working very well so far.”

With 72 inch TV’s, and space-age cell phones 24/7. Who needs to read history? It only repeats itself, anyway....


22 posted on 07/31/2013 1:33:13 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (K I L L T H E B I L L !!)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Whoa, I have a Note II, top of the line.

Great for messaging
and
playing Angry Birds.

Damned pigs.


23 posted on 07/31/2013 1:34:26 PM PDT by warchild9
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To: warchild9

LOL


24 posted on 07/31/2013 1:36:31 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (K I L L T H E B I L L !!)
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To: nickcarraway

The gop wing of the uniparty at work. Same old tired stuff, different day.


25 posted on 07/31/2013 1:51:38 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Power disintegrates when people withdraw their obedience and support)
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To: nickcarraway
Paul Ryan had a lot of potential. It looks like he has taken a turn, which will prevent his ever realizing it. He is apparently listening to some people who are truly clueless as to the long term consequences of what is afoot.

By contrast, those who have access to some of Jefferson's comments on immigration questions, should review them. This is far too serious a question to just let our future be denied by some form of political steam-roller.

William Flax

26 posted on 07/31/2013 1:56:43 PM PDT by Ohioan
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To: marron

Exactly.


27 posted on 07/31/2013 2:22:55 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: nickcarraway

Look the political class does not give two craps about soldiers and blue collar workers. The surprising thing is that soldiers and blue collar workers believe that they do.


28 posted on 07/31/2013 2:40:02 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: stephenjohnbanker
Anyone who buys this LIE is probably too stupid to survive. If anything, the opposite is true. The Chamber of Commerce Home builders Banks(high interest loans to illiterate slobs) Other companies who benefit from cheap labor.....are buying Republicans

Based upon your account, seems my time here on earth is nearing end. Before I pass, just wondering if you could inform those that will remain who you think "Big Donors" are if not financial institutions, Home Builder Associations, Chambers of Commerce, and "companies who benefit from cheap labor." "Big donors" certainly aren't individuals or small business owners like myself. Who are these mystery donors?

I do agree the Republicans are being bought. The House faces a decision about whether they represent the people who elect them, or the donors who line their pockets. It's not looking good for the people IMO.

29 posted on 08/01/2013 2:54:01 AM PDT by IamConservative (The soul of my lifes journey is Liberty!)
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To: IamConservative

Perhaps the lie he was referring to is that unless they pass immigration reform Republicans can never be elected to nat’l office again.


30 posted on 08/01/2013 6:35:00 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: skeeter; stephenjohnbanker
Perhaps the lie he was referring to is that unless they pass immigration reform Republicans can never be elected to nat’l office again.

My apologies if so. I certainly don't buy that line of bull squeeze either.

31 posted on 08/01/2013 6:51:01 AM PDT by IamConservative (The soul of my lifes journey is Liberty!)
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To: IamConservative; skeeter

” “Big donors” certainly aren’t individuals or small business owners like myself. “

Some big donors ARE individuals who are quite wealthy. I know some of them form donor “syndicates”, and buy off certain politicians as a group. Less expensive that way for each investor.


32 posted on 08/01/2013 10:18:12 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (K I L L T H E B I L L !!)
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