Skip to comments.Why Whites Commit Crimes, But Blacks Are Criminals (Even worse than you might think)
Posted on 07/31/2013 12:43:07 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
During a 17-minute speech in the briefing room of the White House, President Barack Obama sought to explain the reason why a large number of African-Americans have had a visceral reaction regarding the not-guilty verdict in the George Zimmerman case. In his remarks, the president tried to contextualize that reaction by highlighting the fraught experiences of African-Americans with the justice system.
The justice system has been a perennial concern for African-Americans. This worry stems from the blatant disparities that have plagued the system. In any society, the justice system is a critical institution because of the role that it plays in keeping order. In this country, a number of white Americans and those who are tasked to maintain order tend to perceive African Americans, particularly black males, as potential lawbreakers. This perception has been used as a justification to implement many policies widespread use of racial profiling by law enforcement and disparity in sentencing for drug offenses that greatly harm African Americans. Despite many white Americans' fear of black violence, African-Americans have never been in a position to actually take action that would create havoc in white communities. For the African-American community, the reverse has always been true. Because of the way that they are viewed and targeted, African-Americans, especially black males, should be concerned for their safety or their well-being, not their white counterparts.
The link between blackness and criminality has deep historical roots in the country. As pointed out by Khalid Muhammad in his book The Condemnation of Blackness, the notion that blacks have a propensity for criminality was established in the 19th century. The connection, therefore, between blackness and criminality has been embedded into the consciousness of white Americans for over a century.
There has never been a shortage of violence committed against African Americans ever since the first slave ship arrived on American shores. This violence resulted in the deaths and subjugation of millions of people. In some parts of the country, many black males were lynched. Even worse, those lynchings were a social event. None of these terrifying acts of violence was perpetrated by people of color. So it's logical to ask, why are African Americans the only group that is carrying the burden of criminality in America, despite being the victims and not the perpetrators of the most atrocious acts of violence that took place in the country's history?
As Jamelle Bouie noted, most crimes tend to occur within racial groups. For instance, 94% of crimes committed against African-Americans are committed by other African-Americans the so-called "black-on-black crimes" that have been bandied about over and over in some conservative circles. However, 86% of crimes committed against whites are perpetrated by other whites. In spite of their grave worry of being victimized by some black males, a white American has a much greater chance of being killed by another Caucasian. But most whites would not be disabused of their paralyzing fear by this fact about white-on-white crimes. The reason is simple. As David Levering, a historian who won the Pulitzer Prize, once pointed out, in America whites committed crimes but blacks are criminals. In order words, no matter the viciousness of the crime or violence perpetrated by a white person or by some whites, such a crime would never sully whites as a group because their crimes are regarded by many whites as individual acts. Thus, in judging these criminal acts, the judgment would fall only on the individual or individuals, not the entire racial group.
For African-Americans, on the other hand, the implication of being viewed as criminals are manifold. When a crime is committed by an African American, this act of violence reflects badly not only on the perpetrator but on the entire group. Consequently, for a large segment of white Americans, any African-American whom they cannot instantly identify tends to be regarded as a potential criminal until proven otherwise. In endorsing the way that Zimmerman racially profiled Trayvon Martin on the night that he shot the unarmed teenager, Washington Post columnist Richard Cohen spoke for many whites as he candidly shared his fear of black males. One of the major consequences of that fear of African-Americans is the way that the justice system treats them. A case in point is the disparity in drug sentencing, which helps swell the number of incarcerated African-Americans. In 1980, for instance, the number of African-Americans in jail was 143,000. In the past 30 years, however, this number has skyrocketed. Today, there are more than 2 million African-Americans in prison.
The association of black males with criminality is as old as the country itself. Despite the crime statistics showing that whites are more likely to be victimized by other whites, the oft-repeated narrative that conflates blackness with criminality creates a fear among many whites that is as real as it is irrational. As Andrew Sullivan indicated, Cohen has a 0.00015% chance of being attacked by a black assailant. But his fear of black violence still remains pronounced, which helps explain why black males receive much harsher sentences than their white counterpart for similar offenses. This irrational fear helps explain why racial profiling is so prevalent. Finally, this irrational fear helps explain why most white Americans identify with Zimmerman instead of Trayvon, the unarmed teenager whom Zimmerman fatally shot while he was headed home. The prevalence of racial profiling and the stiffer sentences meted out to black males show that the justice system tend to devalue their humanity. Equally important, those policies, which severely impact African-American communities, indicate that white Americans have always been and continue to be in a position to inflict much greater harm on African Americans despite their unreasonable fear that they could fall victims to black violence.
He ain't feelin' the love in the comments from his fellow PolicyMic pundits, I'm afraid.
It is hard to have any confidence in anything averred to by someone with a name like that.
Without reading it, I project he says that whitey gets away with the same crimes that send his bro to jail. To which I reply...naaah. The reply would get me suspended or banned.
hmmm. For me, at least, it was established by any one of the myriad of articles on crime that are here on FR over the course of any given week.
Or, by my own experiences. I didn't move out of the city and into a more rural area just for the fresh air.
But, who am I to judge? The author is obviously more worldly and diverse than I. /s
Trayvon Martin (A closer look)
Trayvon Martins friend D J says he was not really surprised when he heard that Trayvon had been killed. [4:00 mark]
Who was it who raided the weaker African tribes to capture them to sell them to the Arab slave traders? Sure wasn’t no white man!
Who is it in Africa that still engages in wholesale slaughter of members of “other” tribes? Sure ain’t no white man!
Who is it who blames the white man for all they troubles? Sure is the black man!
This article is a good example
When the stats show that in an interracial violent crime, the perp is 10 times more likely to be black than white,
this author says that black men have more to fear from white men than the other way around.
I don't understand why white guys aren't trying to rob black guys?
If in 1980 there were 150k black men incarcerated, and today that number is 1,500% higher, then how is my fear IRRATIONAL..?
If black men MOSTLY kill other black men, then my fear should go away, maybe...?
But one thing I will say about this author —he’s WAY more honest about the problem, and writes in a reasonable tone.
He’s maybe one of twenty black male authors in the country who can do that.
Oh, I don’t know. The History Channel recently ran an interesting documentary on the history of the mafia. The criminals portrayed looked very White to me. Some of those “alleged” wise guys lived in my old neighborhood in daBronx.
If I felt the way these guys do,I’d emigrate to someplace more welcoming.
Maybe I’m over simplyfing things but it seems to be the only sensible thing to do.
According to the U.S. National Weather Service, the odds of being struck by lightning -- in your lifetime -- are 1 in 5,000. Is the fear of being struck by lightning also irrational just because it is small?
People are rational to fear things that may have a negative effect on life, property, and pursuit of happiness, because emotions, like fear, are a consequence of value judgments, and certain things like the frequency of blacks committing a crime are judged to be a negative value.
Dat’s right, yo’ damn right!!
I don’t ever notice the kids of East Indians ever going off to jail. I wonder what the stats are on East Indian-Americans doing time.
Yup,just look at organized crime in NYC.You've got the (white) Italians...the (white) Irish (The Westies of Hell's Kitchen)...the (white) Eastern Euopeans (Russians.Albanians,etc).And you've got scumbag punks of *other* races too.
” When the stats show that in an interracial violent crime, the perp is 10 times more likely to be black than white”
I am so sick of this “racism” crap, that I am going out of my way to quote crime statistics to black people who start up this conversation.
Two takes right off the bat.
1) Blacks have earned the reputation they have. You can try and paint it a different color, but you will be living a lie. If you don’t look deep into why that is so it will never change.
2) Zimmerman did not Racially Profile Trayvon. That is another lie the left is living. You have no proof other than a doctored NBC tape to support your statement.
Quote the stats, say “fix it and get back to me”.
Perhaps blacks need to look at the concept of the “African-American Community” if they want answers. Since they have lumped themselves together as a “community”, then they all get painted with the same brush. After all, they demand that we paint them with the same brush since they insist that skin color trumps everything.
On the other hand, whites self-identify as individuals with a few ethnicities such as Italians or Irish clinging to a minor ethnic affiliation. So, when someone sees a white criminal, they say “that guy is a criminal” and not “those white folks are all criminals”. Oddly enough, people who are used to seeing a lot of Italian or Irish criminals in big city ethnic neighborhoods actually do start to suspect all Italians or Irish of being criminals.
As the statistical evidence grows that a large number of blacks are indeed criminals, it is natural to extend that statistic to the whole community since that’s the identity group they insist we place them in.
This worry stems from the perception and nurturing of the blatant disparities that characterized the system many years ago. Not so today, especially with the impeached and disgraced Eric Holder in charge of the Justice Department.
Crime statistics do not help to mitigate the situation. As pointed out by O'Reilly, crime statistics are way out of proportion with blacks committing most of the crimes, especially black on black. The "head in the sand" of people like Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton who fan the fire of fear and ignorance of the people they represent, instead of recognizing the real problem and causes, such as unmarried mothers.
The black leaders, including the President, should be getting advice from people like Bill Cosby, black conservatives, and retired basketball players who know success.
To be perfectly fair, a good many white guys were lynched to. About 1/4, if I remember aright.
It is also fair to point out that there are about 5,000 lynchings recorded over a 70 year period. That's 5,000 too many, but it's fairly small beer in the worldwide historical atrocity competition.
The last one was in 1955, and there is considerable disagreement whether it qualifies. Not every murder was a lynching.
That is precisely how I do it.
“African-Americans, especially black males, should be concerned for their safety or their well-being, not their white counterparts.”
Only when misbehaving.
As a side note is the GEICO spokesreptile pc for discussig the “R” debacle wrt saying dolla $. Might as well talk about something
“African-Americans have never been in a position to actually take action that would create havoc in white communities . . ..”
And what “position” would that require? A few renegade Blacks cause heaps of havoc in their own communities.
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Too many on both sides are playing with the truth of the Zimmerman trial.. The regime and the media set the premise for the trial narrative and their presentations ignoring the setting where the incident took place..An area having a “Neighborhood Watch”. If some of those so called conservative talk show hosts had interviewed guests who run such watches they would have exposed the regime and the media for the frauds they are. Particularly a “gated” neighborhood watch.When you enter one of these and start wandering around no matter if you are white, blue, red, green, or black. You can be asked your purpose for being there. You are on private property. And yes those on patrol can and do leave their vehicle and follow on foot if they lose sight of the person they’re observing.. .
Its the second time the President of the United States has interjected himself into a confrontation between those in authority on legal grounds reasonably questioned and released someone involved in a curious activity. Could this attitude be based from the idealized communist concept that there is no such thing as “private” property because the state (collective) owns the land ? .
In both cases those representing authority were reported as white . In the second case the person working security was attacked after questioning an activity while on private rights of way and allowing the person to continue on their way. Who then doubled back and attacked the neighborhood watch worker beating him severly on the ground and the attacker was subsequently killed in a struggle over the Neighborhood Watchman’s legal pistol.
In the second case both were dark skined.
Since the Zimmernan not guilty verdict has been rendered, the facts of this case are still being shamefully being concealed by the media to the extent they are advancing and are complicit in permitting a putrid injstice to be committed of the worst order,organized and instituted by our governent.While denied. It began as a miscalculation when a surname of a Jewish origin shot up and lighted the heavens like a star shell in the darkest of nights. It would have been difused if the media used pictures of both side by side because they look like cousins. And the area where this occured of paycheck to paycheck struggling homeowners of all races trying to protect themselves had been reported and not some ritzy all white enclave.they portrayed..Worse yet the media is still pilling it on with ABC editing a a black jury members (remember when they were all white)t remarks to make it sound like she accused Zimmerman of murder .
The result as we have seen is that another marxist axiom (division) has been implemented which has resulted with gangs of black youths murdering happless whites who happen into areas usually where a black population is the majority. Those media outlets who by their delberate misuse of the instrument of the 1st amendment are just as complicit in those deaths as the regime is.
Instead the party that hypenated itself from God at their 2012 convention into demo-coms, and believe that all groups should be hyphenated , Afro-American, Hispanic-American, etc..Decided Zimmerman to be the egg that is to be broken,. sacrificed, so that we have an omlet..Just like Stalin did to the Ukrainian land owners known as Kulacks whom he executed, (and used that egg example) in a soclal engineering plan to organize collectives during a Russian drought..Because as we have learned there seems to be the intention to use a collective data base to create collectives.where a utopia of uniforimity of conformity exists. As was done in Detroit, and Oakland California.only this time a poor whitey or blacky wont be able to move,.
Just as with the energy plan where the cost of fuel used for energy and transportation and that includes raising the price of transporting gas and oil by rail that favor a key contributer while recently ridiculing the pipeline, has skyrocketed those costs. Placing many on fixed or limited incomes dependent on government handouts. Resulting from this regimes socialist policies which go blameless.
Now call for the sacrifice of Zimmerman who must die for another communist plan.. We all move together in centers designed and approved by comrades running the collective who (just like Obamacare arent in it) wont and never live there.
What should the Rebuttal and counter charge be ?
Why is this being done ? To cover up Fast and furious, IRS, Bengahzi, Solar panel gate, NSA spying on US,over-riding the constittution? Those are blamed on others .But not who accompaines Obama on his many trips around the world at taxpayer expence ? Were they the heavy hitters or their friends holding the presidents hand ? Never looked into either by the House and certainly not even speculated about or reported on by the media. Seems like that could be considered pay back at US taxpayer expence. Isnt that an impeachable offense ? Now if somebody even suggests impeachment. What better way to discourage any investigation into malfeasance and corruption by organizing the base for riots in the streets ?
This situation is exacerbated by the abuses lawyers have commited against the law. It should be abundantly clear that rich people don't often go to jail. Its the way the system works; always & everywhere.
This doesn't change the foundational social pathology that passes as black "culture". Stereotypes & profiles came into existance for a reason and that's not going to change until the underlying foundation is rebuilt; lots and lots of work there boyo.
& the black folk can march from Washington to LA and it don't mean a thing.
“...the notion that blacks have a propensity for criminality was established in the 19th century...”
And guess why this was the case?
But more to the point, at the *same* time that it was believed that blacks had a propensity for criminality, the *same* thing was believed of the Irish and the Italians, on the East Coast, and the Chinese on the West Coast. The large number of German and Scandinavian immigrants were never seen this way because they did not remain in the coastal cities, but moved to the unpopulated heartland.
However, Irish, Italians and Chinese have not been thought of as having a propensity for criminality for a very long time.
“Black majority cities have similar crime statistics for blacks as do cities where majority of population is white. For example, white-majority San Diego has a slightly lower crime rate for blacks than does Atlanta, a city which has black majority in population and city government.”
So unless the theory is that the law is *inherently* anti-black, no matter the race of the judge and jury, the assumption that blacks have a propensity for crime seems to be born out in the facts.
“As Andrew Sullivan indicated, Cohen has a 0.00015% chance of being attacked by a black assailant.”
Like most “facts” cited by Professional Blacks Apologists this one makes you “scratch your head.”
0.00015% =.0000015 times 314,000,000 (US population)= 471 “attacks” on Whites by Blacks.
A. 33.6 % of 111,490 rapes against White women were by Blacks.
B. Of 3,201,320 instances of violent crimes, 13.5%, 432,178, were carried out by Blacks against Whites.
Now if Andrew “Conservative” Sullivan is correctly quoted, he should be concerned about being identified as a ‘CREEPY CRACK-ASS CRACKER” because it is likely he will be in the “A.” section..........
A .00015% chance of a white being attacked by a black assailant??? That’s only 1 chance in 666,666. BS!!! Then I experienced a near chance in a million at least 20 times while I lived in Los Angeles. So apparently my personal experience was as rare as finding one exact specific grain of sand in the universe. Only once was I attacked by a non-black and to be honest I sorta deserved that one since I was drunk and got punched in the mouth. All the attacks from blacks were not provoked by me, but were either racial profiling or seen as an opportunity to rob someone who is greatly outnumbered. A .00015% chance my ass! Just ask any white who lives in or near a black neighborhood, what the REAL chances are of being attacked by blacks. And it sure is a hell of a lot higher than a black being attacked by whites. GIVE ME A BREAK!
He wont look at the underlying cause: the culture. Back eighty years ago, the criminals in NYC were mainly Irish and Italians etc. James Cagney once wrote that he was able to play criminals so convincingly, because he knew people like the characters he playing when he was growing up. The culture changed, so the crime rate dropped. But of course the culture changed because the people changed owing to a wealthier society but also because even before the war, before and during the depression, families were getting more stable.
Thanks to “WilliamofCarmichael” for reference in his March 27, 2012 FreeRepublic post.
In 2008, the off ending rate for blacks (24.7 off enders per 100,000) was 7 times higher than the rate for whites (3.4 off enders per 100,000)
Stranger homicides were more likely to cross racial lines than homicides involving friends or acquaintances. For homicides committed by a stranger to the victim, (black-on-white outnumber white on black by 4X)
Between 1980 and 2008, young adult black males had the highest homicide offending rate compared to offenders in other racial and sex categories.
Even the CDC agrees:
The prohibition era made crime big business.
Crime is just a form of business. Its the only trade some of these guys learn growing up.
Whitey gonna break in and steal dey $hit.