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Florida Plant to Produce Advanced Ethanol
Wall Street Journal ^ | July 31, 2013 | RYAN TRACY

Posted on 07/31/2013 7:09:33 PM PDT by neverdem

Facility Offers Promise of Producing Fuel Out of Everything From Grass to Garbage

A Florida plant started commercial-scale production of advanced ethanol, its owners said Wednesday, marking the first time a U.S. facility has made large quantities of the fuel from the inedible parts of plants.

The news was a milestone for the renewable fuels industry, which has been dogged by criticism that its current method of making fuel from corn or sugar diverts those crops from the food chain and raises food prices.

If INEOS Bio can sustain production at the Florida plant, it would offer the promise of a new industry producing fuel out of everything from grass to garbage.

"One of the frustrations of the policy debate has been the comment that, 'It's not here yet, no one is producing yet,' " said Peter Williams, chief executive of INEOS Bio, in an interview. Now, he said, "it's arriving. It's here."

U.S. Energy Secretary Ernest Moniz said INEOS Bio, a unit of Switzerland-based chemical manufacturer INEOS, was using a technology that the Department of Energy helped develop in the 1990s.

The INEOS plant in Vero Beach, Fla., heats organic material like yard waste or wood chips, producing a mixture of carbon monoxide and hydrogen. Then it uses bacteria to ferment the gas and create ethanol, which is widely used in the U.S. as an additive to gasoline.

The company says it intends to sell ethanol into the U.S. fuel market and plans to release its first shipments in August. A spokesman wouldn't say how much ethanol the plant has produced so far but said it has achieved "commercial-scale production."

"We expect to spend the remainder of 2013 putting the plant through its paces, and demonstrating" that the plant can reach its official capacity of eight million gallons per...

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Extended News; Politics/Elections; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: bioethanol; biofuel; biomass; energy; ethanol; ineos; ineosbio; renewableenergy
Get the gubmint out of corn ethanol.
1 posted on 07/31/2013 7:09:33 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

Just in time for record natural gas production and declining gasoline use in America...


2 posted on 07/31/2013 7:10:54 PM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: neverdem

crap ethanol destroys engines and parts....


3 posted on 07/31/2013 7:11:19 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: neverdem
This is a photo of "advanced ethanol":


4 posted on 07/31/2013 7:14:53 PM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: neverdem

Back in engineering thermo, they made you draw “control volumes” and specify inputs and outputs of matter, mechanical energy, heat etc, which simplifies the whole problem into an exercise in bookkeeping via conservation laws. Missing from those lectures and problem sets from long ago, indicating the backward thinking of the pre-green era, was an arrow labled “government subsidies”.


5 posted on 07/31/2013 7:18:18 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

Where’s the “like” button?


6 posted on 07/31/2013 7:21:50 PM PDT by Bushbacker1 (Molon Labe! (Oathkeeper))
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To: neverdem
This is INSANE water is everywhere and its been proven over and over it can be used as a viable fuel yet these Idiots continue to ignore it

Stanley Meyer and his brother on how the water fuel injection works

Stanley Meyer 1992 Global Sciences Congress Subtitled (Spanish)

7 posted on 07/31/2013 7:25:54 PM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK (I'm not afraid to say what i mean nor should you be afraid of what you know to be true !)
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To: neverdem

the Enviro-weenies will still hate it.

those inedible parts of plants feel pain and have emotions too!


8 posted on 07/31/2013 7:27:50 PM PDT by digger48
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To: neverdem

It’s long past time to cut off the corn ethanol subsidy. Remember this process started to create demand for corn back when there wasn’t enough and the gummint was paying farmers not to plant, so it’s come full circle. Now in most of the midwest there’s not much idle acreage that isn’t already in a production cycle. That means there are no empty fields just waiting to be planted with a crop of switchgrass or something, and we can obtain higher premiums for soy and corn. So the trick is to use actual plant waste matter for which there is no use today. For example, the biodiesel industry decided that it would use yellow grease (McFries effluent) that restaurants were having to pay someone to haul off, and that backfired by elevating the price to the point where they can’t make money using that feedstock. Yard waste, etc - sure, but what does it cost once you haul enough of it to a central processing plant? There’s not enough cellulosic or other non-food feedstocks to replace what is coming from corn today. But they can have all the weeds in my yard if they want to come and get ‘em...


9 posted on 07/31/2013 7:35:48 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK

Oh please!

That’s been proven countless times to be pure Algore pseudoscience BS. Don’t tell me you fell for it.


10 posted on 07/31/2013 7:36:52 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: SpaceBar

I wish that needed a sarcasm tag, but it does not.


11 posted on 07/31/2013 7:38:13 PM PDT by SpeakerToAnimals (I hope to earn a name in battle)
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To: neverdem

Time to feed the plant with lots of Kudzu and take care of two problems!


12 posted on 07/31/2013 7:38:39 PM PDT by Noob1999 (Loose Lips, Sink Ships)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

Man, that’s a very hard picture to look at when you’re as broke as I am!


13 posted on 07/31/2013 7:42:23 PM PDT by Slump Tester (What if I'm pregnant Teddy? Errr-ahh -Calm down Mary Jo, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it)
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To: bigbob

I’ve built my own Hydrogen Generator fixing to build another bigger one believe what you want to i see it working Watch the vids or don’t but it is viable !


14 posted on 07/31/2013 7:45:40 PM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK (I'm not afraid to say what i mean nor should you be afraid of what you know to be true !)
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To: neverdem

Technology developed in the 1990s...
“We expect to spend the remainder of 2013 putting the plant through its paces, and demonstrating” that the plant can reach its official capacity of eight million gallons per...”

What they forgot to say is: “That after this evaluation period we found that it is possible to produce the eight million gallons of ethanol yearly at this plant, unfortunately the cost will be $55.00 per gallon requiring government subsidies until the year 2075 when Bernanke’s QE will have caused massive inflation rendering the whole situation mute. Until then, we implore the Executive Branch to order the military to buy and use all the ethanol at $55.00 a gallon.”


15 posted on 07/31/2013 7:54:33 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (The only growth industries left under Progressives are government and poverty.)
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To: Slump Tester

Learn to make your own then.


16 posted on 07/31/2013 7:54:52 PM PDT by BipolarBob
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To: neverdem

Ethanol is ethanol. How can ethanol be “advanced”?


17 posted on 07/31/2013 7:55:42 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: taxcontrol

MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

18 posted on 07/31/2013 8:03:28 PM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK (I'm not afraid to say what i mean nor should you be afraid of what you know to be true !)
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To: BipolarBob

I find it hard to believe that anyone could make moonshine as good as Dewars. You can drink mass quantities of Dewars and hardly even suffer a hangover.


19 posted on 07/31/2013 8:10:25 PM PDT by Slump Tester (What if I'm pregnant Teddy? Errr-ahh -Calm down Mary Jo, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it)
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To: Slump Tester

It ain’t magic.


20 posted on 07/31/2013 8:12:27 PM PDT by BipolarBob
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To: bigbob

The subsidy you are referring to ended 12/31/2011


21 posted on 07/31/2013 8:12:53 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (When America falls, darkness will cover the face of the earth for a thousand years.)
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To: Noob1999

If this actually worked and was economically viable, it would be fabulous. Too bad it doesn’t, and it isn’t - at least, not here. It MIGHT be viable in Brazil - for a while, anyway.


22 posted on 07/31/2013 8:30:49 PM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: neverdem

“This isn’t a beer, officer. This is Advanced Ethanol. With all due respect, sir, I wouldn’t expect you to know the difference, but in fact they are completely different.”


23 posted on 07/31/2013 8:34:26 PM PDT by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: Noob1999

The problem there is in the harvesting. Pulling Kudzu out of trees is no fun at all..


24 posted on 07/31/2013 9:50:17 PM PDT by Paul R. (We are in a break in an Ice Age. A brief break at that...)
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To: neverdem
If INEOS Bio can sustain production at the Florida plant, it would offer the promise of a new industry producing fuel out of everything from grass to garbage.

Thus depriving agricultural soils of a needed source of organic matter.

We have plenty of oil and gas. We should stop mining topsoil pursuant to fantasy science, be it oil as a "fossil fuel" or anthropogenic global warming. Both are false.

25 posted on 07/31/2013 11:09:14 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party: advancing indentured constituency for 150 years.)
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To: RetiredTexasVet

Solyndra two.
Arose by another color.


26 posted on 08/01/2013 12:02:27 AM PDT by glyptol
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To: Carry_Okie

“For many years, ethanol has also been used as a 10 percent mixture with gasoline in a blend called “gasohol” or. E10 to reduce carbon monoxide emissions.”

I Googled “reduce carbon monoxide” ethanol


27 posted on 08/01/2013 12:44:53 AM PDT by neverdem (Register pressure cookers! /s)
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To: neverdem
"... heats organic material like yard waste or wood chips."

I know I'm not going to like the answer, but what are they using to create that heat? And to vaporize plant material, we're not talking 100 F, were talking 300 - 500 F!

So a lot of "heat" for that CO & H2...

28 posted on 08/01/2013 4:36:30 AM PDT by Freeport (The proper application of high explosives will remove all obstacles.)
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To: neverdem

I worked on this ten years ago. The Russian’s had a process that worked well with wood chips and other cellulose.

Trouble is the byproducts. We made some at a pilot plant that had good yield, but left a sticky black goo that plugged up the cooker.


29 posted on 08/01/2013 5:20:07 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: redgolum

There’s a Canadian outfit which is now marketing the byproduct lignin. http://www.lignol.ca/


30 posted on 08/01/2013 5:40:37 AM PDT by headsonpikes (Mass murder and cannibalism are the twin sacraments of socialism - "Who-whom?"-Lenin)
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To: neverdem
“For many years, ethanol has also been used as a 10 percent mixture with gasoline in a blend called “gasohol” or. E10 to reduce carbon monoxide emissions.”

For many years, ethanol has also been used as a 10 percent mixture with gasoline in a blend called “gasohol” or. E10 to pay off ADM.

Oxygenation of fuels was a "solution" that arrived at about the same time electronic fuel injection made it unnecessary.

31 posted on 08/01/2013 6:19:49 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party: advancing indentured constituency for 150 years.)
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To: Carry_Okie

Thanks for the info. How does the requirement for oxygenated fuels remain on the books?


32 posted on 08/01/2013 10:32:04 AM PDT by neverdem (Register pressure cookers! /s)
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To: headsonpikes
There’s a Canadian outfit which is now marketing the byproduct lignin. http://www.lignol.ca/

Lignin is otherwise converted to humus by actinomycetes.

It's really much better to mine oil than soil. Ooo! New tagline!

33 posted on 08/01/2013 10:48:26 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (It's really much better to mine oil than soil.)
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To: neverdem
How does the requirement for oxygenated fuels remain on the books?

The early date of the Iowa caucuses.

34 posted on 08/01/2013 10:49:40 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (It's really much better to mine oil than soil.)
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To: headsonpikes

Very interesting. Means they finally got the enzymes to work right and be cost feasible.


35 posted on 08/01/2013 7:27:48 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: redgolum

“We made some at a pilot plant that had good yield, but left a sticky black goo that plugged up the cooker.”

this process is gasification to extinction meaning only mineral rich ash will remain after the fluidized bed gasifier. They are able to use all 3 parts of a plant cellulose hemi-cellulose and lignin the technology break threw is the use of a genetically modified organism that can use CO and H2 gas as its energy/carbon source.

Any carbon containing material that can be gasified to CO+H2 would work be that from grass, wood scraps, garbage, natural gas, coal , petcoke, sewage sludge et al. The energy to heat the material to the gasification level of 500’c or so can come from the produced gas itself about 15% of the off gas would be needed in that case. Otherwise the heat can come from natural gas which is super cheap right now coal also cheap by the ton, off peak electricity which in some parts of the country is priced in the NEGATIVE range. Meaning power producers are paying people to take the surplus power at night (typically wind power in Texas we have 4000+ Gigawatts installed already that run full bore all night at times in west texas when demand is low). The point is the gasifier cares not where the endothermic heat comes from and with proper design use any or all of these heat sources at once or as the market dictates. off peak energy at night, coal or shale gas during the day or use the off gas from the feedstocks itself.

There is over 1 billion tons of agricultural waste produced every year as well as a comparable amount in forestry wastes and trimmings to prevent brush fires. The ash left over from this process if clean agriwaste or forestry is used is mineral rich fertilizer and should be returned to the lands to prevent mineral depletion. If coal, sewage or petcoke is used the ash will have heavy metals in it but as these would be fully oxidized and therefore non-mobile biologically they can be land filled or used to make concrete blocks or roads with. In any case ash levels would be ~5% of the total dry weight of any feedstocks so the ash volume would be small anyway.

As to the billion tons of biomass this biomass will be grown anyway it is the wastes from our food production all the sticks and stems of corn , rice , wheat et al. Peer reviewed research has shown that 50-75% could be removed from the fields and not affect the topsoil humus balance. For those wondering I am in fact a triple degreed Geoscientist and have done research in biomass, biofuels as well as the petrochemical fields. Shale gas and/or biomass carbon is a sure fire way to turn wastes into liquid fuels that work in our current infrastructure.

I would hate to see this work on the large scale it will stop the petroleum industry from paying me exuberantly to directionally drill more oil but this really is the way forward in the long term, as cars get more efficient and the move to plug in cars happens its only a matter of time before batteries progress to be economical. The oil will be used for chemicals and fertilizers and medicines not burnt which is fine by me petrochemicals are the backbone of modern high standards of living they are not going away any time soon or if ever.

I have a 100 standing bet if someone can find me a commercial item or product in an average room that was not transported by, has a component of, or was produced, refined, or manufactured with energy from a petrochemical or fossil source they can take my 100 bucks.

I have never ever had anyone find me a product that meets these 100% fossil free metrics EVER. I have had Phd. Environmental scientists try and try and try infront of hundreds of students too and I always find a fossil source of embedded energy or components.

One got close with food grown in the back yard. It was first off noncommercial so excluded but even then the fertilizer is fossil based...organic manure got to you by diesel truck btw as did the feed to those animals in the first place. Seeds from walmart or home depot...seriously logistical diesel nightmare.

Pasture grown cattle hand collecting manure carted by horse drawn pasture fed horses cart made all of wood not a single iron nail or wheel rim as iron is refined with coking coal seeds from the wild collected by hand and harvested by hand , transported by said horses... yup only on the 1700’s could one have meet my 100% bet and one would have to live at 1700’s standards of living to do it.


36 posted on 08/03/2013 12:33:34 PM PDT by JD_UTDallas ("Veni Vidi Vici")
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