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After Zimmerman: Lessons for a Citizen Carrier
American Thinker ^ | August 1, 2013 | Paul Jacobson

Posted on 08/01/2013 12:18:23 AM PDT by neverdem

Shortly after the Sandy Hook one Elementary School massacre in December 2012, I took to these pages to gently chide the NRA's Wayne LaPierre for his proposal to install an armed policeman in every school. Instead I suggested it would be more effective to permit armed teachers and school personnel, carefully screened and trained, to fulfill this role. The article outlined three principles to optimize the deterrent value of a societal gun presence: pervasiveness, anonymity, and publicity.

The article also pointed out (hat-tip John Lott) that all citizens, not just those who are armed, benefit from the crime deterrence created by law-abiding gun owners. This got me thinking about my own status. There I was, benefiting from all my gun-owning neighbors who helped create the safe neighborhood where I'm fortunate to reside.

At that point I made a personal decision to cease being a parasite and become instead a producer. Thus began a very steep learning curve to train and equip myself over several months to become a responsible and competent hoplite for the benefit of myself and my family, yes, but also my friends and neighbors.

In March 2013 I participated in a CCW (Concealed Carry Weapon) class. In May I received my CCW permit. On that day this semi-retired septuagenarian (I, myself) became a citizen carrier.

My appetite for sound, reliable news and information about 2nd Amendment issues and the technology and skills of gunnery continues unabated. I've also made new friends and acquaintances who share my new passion. All this confirms for me what I knew at the outset: the propaganda of the gun-hating left about these issues and people is an unconscionable, ignorant pack of lies, every word of it.

In my CCW class there were no Rambos, just ordinary middle-class folks, mostly men but a...

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KEYWORDS: bangkist; banglist; ccw; guncontrol; secondamendment; youwillnotdisarmus

1 posted on 08/01/2013 12:18:23 AM PDT by neverdem
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2 posted on 08/01/2013 1:18:41 AM PDT by neverdem (Register pressure cookers! /s)
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To: neverdem

My lesson I got from the Zimmerman case is always have handy a throw down gun not registered to yourself...


3 posted on 08/01/2013 3:25:37 AM PDT by dpetty121263
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To: dpetty121263

It’s much cleaner and cheaper if you have a “throwdown” Combat folder knife.


4 posted on 08/01/2013 3:32:12 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Gaffer

Fingerprints? Just asking...


5 posted on 08/01/2013 4:23:49 AM PDT by carriage_hill (Guns kill people, pencils misspell words, cars drive drunk & spoons make you fat.)
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To: Gaffer

Good advice. I’m just glad the author of the article in the original post finally woke up to reality. I mean he’s 70, for Pete’s sake! What took him so long?!?!? Oh, my, he met some gun owners... and they were normal people! Sometimes these columnists are like the newly religious. They finally catch on and then preach all day from back of their high horse. Honestly, I’m glad to have you in the fold, old-timer, but where have you been all my life?!?

He thinks he’s arrived, but his education has just begun.


6 posted on 08/01/2013 4:43:48 AM PDT by Dr. Pritchett
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To: carriage_hill

You’d have to wipe down a pistol too....no difference really. Then you’d have to clamp the perps hand around the pistol or the blade.


7 posted on 08/01/2013 4:50:42 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Gaffer

That’d be pretty obvious if any witnesses were in the immediate area, and especially with cellphone cams recording the incident (Rodney King).

It’d be a felony ‘tampering with evidence’ the LEOs would charge you with, wouldn’t it? I’ve thought long and hard about it, but can’t reach a valid conclusion.

Decisions, decisions, decisions...


8 posted on 08/01/2013 4:56:07 AM PDT by carriage_hill (Guns kill people, pencils misspell words, cars drive drunk & spoons make you fat.)
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To: carriage_hill

Of course you’d have to quickly judge about witnesses and such. But if there aren’t any around and you don’t see CCTVs, I’d do it. No one can tell me that police don’t do it.


9 posted on 08/01/2013 4:59:21 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: dpetty121263
Make sure there aren't any fibers from your clothing on the weapon you throw down. I've seen more than one case where an LEO or other person has been nailed by the FBI.

Just sayin...
10 posted on 08/01/2013 5:04:25 AM PDT by ComputerGuy (HM2/USN M/3/3 Marines RVN 66-67)
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To: neverdem

11 posted on 08/01/2013 5:07:02 AM PDT by JoeProBono (Mille vocibus imago valet;-{)
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To: Gaffer

I know some do; I’ve seen the ankle .32/.38 snub-nosed holster, and asked a couple of LEO customers what they were for; got the “back-up piece” and a smile/wink from each. Knife throwaway makes more sense; you’re right.


12 posted on 08/01/2013 5:31:43 AM PDT by carriage_hill (Guns kill people, pencils misspell words, cars drive drunk & spoons make you fat.)
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To: neverdem

The honest, law-abiding non-violent carrier is an asset to all.

The left wants to take guns away from honest, law-abiding non-violent citizens and deliberately leave them in the hands of violent criminals.


13 posted on 08/01/2013 5:36:43 AM PDT by I want the USA back (If I Pi$$ed off just one liberal today my mission has been accomplished.)
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To: neverdem
After Zimmerman: Lessons for a Citizen Carrier

The 3 Ss?

14 posted on 08/01/2013 5:38:57 AM PDT by Lee N. Field ("You keep using that verse, but I do not think it means what you think it means.")
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To: neverdem

Thanks for the ping!


15 posted on 08/01/2013 6:19:46 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: carriage_hill
It’d be a felony ‘tampering with evidence’ the LEOs would charge you with, wouldn’t it? I’ve thought long and hard about it, but can’t reach a valid conclusion.

Decisions, decisions, decisions...

If the time ever comes, you take a look at the entire situation, and make the decision then if the circumstances warrant, and if the opportunity to execute is present. If not, you keep the knife in your pocket. Judgement matters

16 posted on 08/01/2013 7:17:03 AM PDT by zeugma (Be a truechimer, not a falseticker!)
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To: zeugma

100%.


17 posted on 08/01/2013 7:46:26 AM PDT by carriage_hill (Guns kill people, pencils misspell words, cars drive drunk & spoons make you fat.)
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To: carriage_hill
I’ve thought long and hard about it, but can’t reach a valid conclusion.

Moral issues aside, IMHO it's best not to tamper with evidence. As you noted earlier, you never know where a witness could be. A quick look around won't do the job. You could very easily miss someone looking out of a window from across the street.

Plus you'll be dealing with trained and experienced detectives at some point. Those folks have seen all the tricks. They are not stupid!

Get caught tampering with evidence, and it would be very easy for a jury to disbelieve anything else you might have to say.

18 posted on 08/01/2013 8:05:41 AM PDT by Leaning Right
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To: Leaning Right
After thinking about it, tampering with evidence felony is something I just wouldn't do; it'd have to be a righteous and justified shooting, since we have protection here in PA.

That said, I've been robbed/shot once in 1974, and survived, and it won't happen again.

19 posted on 08/01/2013 8:17:52 AM PDT by carriage_hill (Guns kill people, pencils misspell words, cars drive drunk & spoons make you fat.)
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To: carriage_hill; All
In spite of all the trouble GZ had, he was still acquitted. Indeed, by calling the cops and waiting for them, he got a very fair investigation that exonerated him and was one of the big reasons he won his trial. Discovered evidence tampering is sure to get you into BIG trouble and will be used to prove you did commit a murder or voluntary manslaughter when your act was actually a justifiable homicide.

Turning to the article, the author has it right when he says GZ should have immediately returned to his truck, locked it, and placed his weapon on the seat, ready to be used. In any situation like that one's vehicle is his rolling fortress. By leaving the vehicle and not getting back into it immediately GZ exposed himself to Martin's almost successful attempt to murder him. He's alive today only due to pure luck and the fact that he had the pistol.

I've had a permit and carried since 1995 have never had to display, point, or (God forbid) discharge a weapon in anger against anyone. By its mere possession and carrying I do, however, use it in anger every day because of the deterrence power of my carrying and that of thousands of others. In short, that weapon is there for me to be able to deal with Fate if it comes after me, not for me to be able to chase it.

20 posted on 08/01/2013 8:33:31 AM PDT by libstripper (A)
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To: libstripper

Excellent points. I’ve CCW’d since 1974, after being robbed/shot, and am also thankful I’ve never had to use it.

I’d rather have it and not need it, than not have it and need it.


21 posted on 08/01/2013 8:39:26 AM PDT by carriage_hill (Guns kill people, pencils misspell words, cars drive drunk & spoons make you fat.)
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To: neverdem

Re: “Lessons for a Citizen Carrier”

Just one lesson.....

If you shoot someone while defending yourself, your cooperation with the Police must COMPLETELY STOP after you have provided them with all legally required information.

Then, as calmly as possible, tell the Police you will be making no more statements until you have legal representation.

Then, calm, polite, and total SILENCE.

Most states require the same information.....

Name, birth date, Social Security number, home address, home phone, and, often, employer address and work phone, or school address for students.

Remember - defending yourself against a criminal is only 50% of the problem.

If you shoot the criminal, you must now defend yourself against a criminal justice system, and possibly a jury, that may be deeply prejudiced against White people and private gun ownership.

Sometimes the Police are your friends.

And sometimes, they are NOT.


22 posted on 08/01/2013 11:20:45 AM PDT by zeestephen
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To: neverdem

Years ago, Jeff Cooper delineated the “Color Code” and the “Principles of Personal Defense” in an effort to provide us with a logical model for one’s thinking on the subject of mental preparedness. I’d like now to go to the next step and apply the same logic to the issue of personal appearance and demeanor, as we all agree that, in the domestic defensive environment, avoiding a fight is preferable to winning one.

Layer One: Nonattendance. The best way to handle any potentially injurious encounter is:
Don’t be there. Arrange to be somewhere else. Don’t go to stupid places. Don’t associate with stupid people. Don’t do stupid things. This is the advice I give to all students of defensive firearms. Winning a gunfight, or any other potentially injurious encounter, is financially and emotionally burdensome. The aftermath will become your full-time job for weeks or months afterward, and you will quickly grow weary of writing checks to lawyer(s). It is, of course, better than being dead or suffering a permanently disfiguring or disabling injury, but the “penalty” for successfully fighting for your life is still formidable.

Crowds of any kind, particularly those with an agenda, such as political rallies, demonstrations, picket lines, etc are good examples of “stupid places.” Any crowd with a high collective energy level harbors potential catastrophe. To a lesser degree, bank buildings, hospital emergency rooms, airports, government buildings, and bars (particularly crowded ones) fall into the same category. All should be avoided. When they can’t be avoided, we should make it a practice to spend only the minimum time necessary there and then quickly get out.

“A superior gunman is best defined as one who uses his superior judgment in order to keep himself out of situations that would require the use of his superior skills.”

Layer Two: Functional invisibility. We all need to practice to art of “being invisible.” It is in our best interest to go our way unnoticed, both by potential predators and by the criminal justice system alike.

Whenever I travel, particularly to foreign countries, I endeavor to be the one that no one notices; no one recalls; no one remembers. I silently slip through the radar, leaving no trace, a nameless, faceless tourist. When in any public place, I try to be clean and well groomed, but I never wear bright colors, any kind of jewelry, or anything shiny. I smile a lot, but talk softly and as little as possible. As we say in the law enforcement business, “Courteous to everyone. Friendly to no one.”

Loud talking, bright colors, Rolex watches, etc will consistently accumulate unwanted attention. On the other end of the spectrum, tattoos, poor grooming, loud and offensive language, a slovenly appearance, etc will also garner unwelcome notice.

Layer Three: Deselection. Any successful predator has the ability to quickly screen potential victims, focusing in on the ones who look as if they will make good victims and rejecting those who either (1) look too strong for expedient victimization or (2) don’t conveniently fall into any particular category.

When invisibility fails, we need endeavor to be consistently deselected for victimization. We do this by making it a habit to appear alert, uninviting, self-confident, and strong. At the same time, we never loiter or appear indecisive. We are always in motion.

“Weakness perceived is weakness exploited!”

Layer Four: Disengagement: Our best interests are not served by any kind of engagement with potential predators. Successful disengagement involves posturing, bearing, verbalizations, and movement. It is in our best interest to disengage at the lowest reasonable force level, but we must simultaneously be prepared to instantly respond to unlawful force with superior force.

Potential predators, as they attempt verbal engagement, should be politely dismissed. Bearing and eye contact should always project strength and confidence. We should continuously be moving off the “line of force.” We should be observant in every direction, giving potential predator duos and trios the distinct impression that they will not be able to sneak up on us.

When predators are confused, they are unable to focus sufficiently to carry off their victimization. Therefore, never let a potential predator seize the agenda. Don’t answer his questions, and don’t stay in any one place very long.

Disengagement, separation, and exit are our immediate goals when we have been selected or are being seriously evaluated by predators. However, if there is to be a fight, the best one is a short one. If a predator menaces me with a gun or a knife, I know that, before it is all over, there is a good chance that I will be shot or cut. However, within that prison of circumstance, I also know that the faster I can end the fight, the less hurt I’m going to get! If there must be a fight, I must explode into action, moving smoothly and quickly, in an effort to confuse and overwhelm my opponent before he has a chance to process all the information I’m throwing at him.

Ultimately, we must “have a plan.” Potentially dangerous encounters must be thought about in advance. Decisions must be made. Skills must be practiced. Confusion, hesitation, and vacillation will always attract the attention of predators and simultaneously stimulate predator behavior.

- John Farnam


23 posted on 08/01/2013 12:40:21 PM PDT by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad & lived with his parents most his life.)
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To: Gaffer
Of course you’d have to quickly judge about witnesses and such.

Do it in the wrong part of town --Trayvon's Miami neighborhood or Rodney King's -- and it'd be game over. You'd get an O.J. jury and they'd give you the same treatment that the black jury gave those Detroit cops in the Malice Green case.

The prosecutors failed to make their case against the (white) cops and the sole white juror voiced doubts .... and as he told ABC News later on Nightline, eleven pairs of black eyes swiveled around and radar-locked on him. Then the delivered their message: Change your vote to convict these cops, or else.

Media: No comment. What issue? What trial? Nightline was the only MSM venue even to display a pulse on that one.

24 posted on 08/01/2013 1:07:25 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: lentulusgracchus
Oh, and this happened at about the same time as the O.J. trial, iirc.
25 posted on 08/01/2013 1:08:39 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: TurboZamboni
Layer One: Nonattendance. The best way to handle any potentially injurious encounter is: Don’t be there. Arrange to be somewhere else. Don’t go to stupid places.

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Don' be dissin' us, creepy cracka! Come on down heah, an bring you roll.

And your sister, too.

26 posted on 08/01/2013 1:13:36 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: TurboZamboni

Good advice for the computer/chairborne warrior.


27 posted on 08/01/2013 5:24:09 PM PDT by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus sum -- "The Taliban is inside the building")
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