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Howard Dean: Rand Paul's No Libertarian Because He's Pro-Life
NewsBusters ^ | Mark Finkelstein

Posted on 08/01/2013 5:11:38 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest

In one fell swoop, Howard Dean has managed to expose his ignorance of libertarianism while making a stale and insulting joke about New Jerseyites.

Discussing on today's Morning Joe the dust-up between Rand Paul and Chris Christie and the broader issue of the philosophical rifts within the GOP, Dean declared that "Rand Paul is not a libertarian" because he is pro-life. Dean is apparently unaware of the lively debate over abortion within libertarian circles, with a reported 30% of libertarians being pro-life. Dean also warned Paul: "do not take on a guy from Jersey. Obviously this guy does not watch HBO." That was presumably an allusion to The Sopranos and Boardwalk Empire, two HBO shows featuring Garden State criminals.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Philosophy; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: abortion; howarddean; libertarians; randpaul

1 posted on 08/01/2013 5:11:38 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest
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To: netmilsmom; Behind Liberal Lines; Miss Marple; an amused spectator; Diogenesis; MEG33; PGalt; ...

Howard Dean claims Rand Paul can’t be a libertarian because he’s pro-life. For good measure he throws in a “people from NJ are criminals” joke. Ping to Today show list.


2 posted on 08/01/2013 5:12:40 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest (FReepmail or ping me to be put on my ping list for criticism of liberal media)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Howard Dean isn’t much of a M.D. if he isn’t Pro-life!


3 posted on 08/01/2013 5:14:28 AM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Baby killer


4 posted on 08/01/2013 5:15:02 AM PDT by Viennacon
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Howard Dean, like the other Liberals, must then be pro death.


5 posted on 08/01/2013 5:16:01 AM PDT by From The Deer Stand
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Dean [put the @$$ in jack@$$.


6 posted on 08/01/2013 5:19:00 AM PDT by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Strictly speaking, Dr. Dumbass has swerved into the truth. A big reason why Ron Paul is not still in the Libertarian Party is abortion. I’d imagine it’s also a big reason why his son isn’t a Libertarian either. Of course Dr. Dean can’t distinguish between “Libertarian” and “libertarian”, but that’s because he’s an idiot.

“I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism”

Name that speaker, and you are officially smarter than the former head of the Democrat Party.


7 posted on 08/01/2013 5:24:33 AM PDT by cdcdawg (Be seeing you...)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest; lonestar; Viennacon
Libertarians for Life (Homepage)
8 posted on 08/01/2013 5:27:15 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Live and Let Live.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
You are no doctor because you sanction the murder of babies... the most innocent amongst us... get fitted for a mill stone dean... and you will also be needing a river to cast yourself in.

LLS

9 posted on 08/01/2013 5:28:40 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: cdcdawg

RWR


10 posted on 08/01/2013 5:34:15 AM PDT by EEGator
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Abortion is the single ‘freedom to do as you want’ issue the Dems/libs take, everything else is collective rights to them.


11 posted on 08/01/2013 5:39:44 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US Citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Is Howard Dean speaking as a Libertarian? If not, what is the point that a big-government and abortion advocate like Dean trying to make?


12 posted on 08/01/2013 5:40:39 AM PDT by windsorknot (>>>)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Howard Dean is no doctor because he defies the hippocratic oath to “do no harm”.


13 posted on 08/01/2013 5:42:42 AM PDT by G Larry (Let his days be few; and let another take his office. Psalms 109:8)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
I thought the libertarian mantra was “Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.”
14 posted on 08/01/2013 6:07:27 AM PDT by The_Victor (If all I want is a warm feeling, I should just wet my pants.)
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To: EEGator

Correct! Not bad for a Gator!


15 posted on 08/01/2013 6:21:22 AM PDT by cdcdawg (Be seeing you...)
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To: cdcdawg

Thanks? :)

I’ll assume you’re a Bulldog. You’re going to lose in Jax.


16 posted on 08/01/2013 6:24:39 AM PDT by EEGator
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Rand Paul himself stated he is not a Libertarian.


17 posted on 08/01/2013 6:29:01 AM PDT by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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To: lonestar

Touché!


18 posted on 08/01/2013 6:30:14 AM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: EEGator

I’m sure we will, but not this year. Inside of 30 days until football. Week 2 I might actually be forced to cheer for y’all! The Horror!


19 posted on 08/01/2013 6:39:27 AM PDT by cdcdawg (Be seeing you...)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Howard Dean gave the graduation speech when my wife graduated from UVM, he was then governor of Vermont.

I remember the speech as being moderately conservative. He then ran for President and discovered that power and money go to the socialist. He likes power and money.


20 posted on 08/01/2013 6:41:41 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: cdcdawg

At least we both hate “Da U”.


21 posted on 08/01/2013 6:42:11 AM PDT by EEGator
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To: SampleMan
"YEEEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!"
22 posted on 08/01/2013 6:45:44 AM PDT by EEGator
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To: EEGator

For 30 years they have exemplified everything that is wrong with college sports, and have done so with alarming consistency.


23 posted on 08/01/2013 6:46:06 AM PDT by cdcdawg (Be seeing you...)
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To: cdcdawg

Agreed.

Recently my Gators sure have been screwing up though.
Oh well, I went to UF for engineering, not football.


24 posted on 08/01/2013 6:50:12 AM PDT by EEGator
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To: The_Victor

Libertarians oppose the initiation of force against innocents. Libertarians who believe that the unborn are human lives are pro-life, and that the mother must not initiate force against them.


25 posted on 08/01/2013 7:08:13 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Universal Background Check -> Registration -> Confiscation -> Oppression -> Extermination)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

This shows that Democrats are worried Paul can pull certain liberal elements out of Democratis and Independent ranks.


26 posted on 08/01/2013 7:34:13 AM PDT by 11th Commandment (http://www.thirty-thousand.org/)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Nobody is perfect :D
27 posted on 08/01/2013 7:40:57 AM PDT by californian by choice
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To: Atlas Sneezed
Libertarians oppose the initiation of force against innocents. Libertarians who believe that the unborn are human lives are pro-life, and that the mother must not initiate force against them.

Thanks! That's very nicely put. I bet you've thought about that before. I've had just this argument with 'tard acquaintances -- that being anti-abortion need not have anything to do with religion (thought it obviously often does) and that there is a clear libertarian position against abortion that applies as well.

And of course the 'tard talking point is -- retarded, as you'd expect. The 10 Commandments includes one forbidding murder. Does that make the laws against it "religious" and a violation of people's freedom of religion.

But then if they could think they wouldn't be liberals.

28 posted on 08/01/2013 7:54:28 AM PDT by Jack Black ( Whatever is left of American patriotism is now identical with counter-revolution.)
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To: Atlas Sneezed
Libertarians who believe that the unborn are human lives are pro-life, and that the mother must not initiate force against them.

They are a minority of dissenters, but libertarianism itself is pro-abortion.

The libertarian position on abortion:
"Recognizing that abortion is a sensitive issue and that people can hold good-faith views on all sides, we believe that government should be kept out of the matter, leaving the question to each person for their conscientious consideration."

29 posted on 08/01/2013 7:59:20 AM PDT by ansel12 ( Santorum appeared on CBS and pronounced George Zimmerman guilty of murder, first degree. March-2012)
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To: cdcdawg

ronald reagan said that


30 posted on 08/01/2013 8:48:00 AM PDT by teeman8r (Armageddon won't be pretty, but it's not like it's the end of the world.)
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To: ansel12

It’s important to distinguish between positions of the Libertarian Party, and those of the diverse range of libertarians.

Just as we might say that the Republican Party “believes” XYZ, while conservatives might disagree (sometimes even among themselves)


31 posted on 08/01/2013 11:44:39 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Universal Background Check -> Registration -> Confiscation -> Oppression -> Extermination)
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To: Atlas Sneezed

Nonsense, their party perfectly represents libertarianism, that is why they formed it, to put their philosophy into the real world of political positioning.

The tiny liber party is a pure representation of libertarianism.


32 posted on 08/01/2013 12:13:27 PM PDT by ansel12 ( Santorum appeared on CBS and pronounced George Zimmerman guilty of murder, first degree. March-2012)
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To: ansel12
They are a minority of dissenters, but libertarianism itself is pro-abortion.

The fact is, they're a pretty damn large minority. The reasons that plank is worded the way it is are: 1) the old guard, who manipulates the LP levers of power, were and are very pro-abortion, and 2), they know damn good and well they'd lose a huge chunk of the membership if they tried a straight pro-abort wording.

33 posted on 08/01/2013 1:12:37 PM PDT by jimt (Fear is the darkroom where negatives are developed.)
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To: jimt
The fact is, they're a pretty damn large minority. The reasons that plank is worded the way it is are: 1) the old guard, who manipulates the LP levers of power, were and are very pro-abortion, and 2), they know damn good and well they'd lose a huge chunk of the membership if they tried a straight pro-abort wording.

What???? No they aren't large in numbers that is why they have no influence, libertarians are permanently pro-abortion and that is why the use such BLUNT language, ZERO impediments to abortion, ZERO laws against abortion.

"we believe that government [law] should be kept out of the matter" that's it, just a big fat ZERO.

34 posted on 08/01/2013 1:49:13 PM PDT by ansel12 ( Santorum appeared on CBS and pronounced George Zimmerman guilty of murder, first degree. March-2012)
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