Skip to comments.Howard Dean: Rand Paul's No Libertarian Because He's Pro-Life
Posted on 08/01/2013 5:11:38 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest
In one fell swoop, Howard Dean has managed to expose his ignorance of libertarianism while making a stale and insulting joke about New Jerseyites.
Discussing on today's Morning Joe the dust-up between Rand Paul and Chris Christie and the broader issue of the philosophical rifts within the GOP, Dean declared that "Rand Paul is not a libertarian" because he is pro-life. Dean is apparently unaware of the lively debate over abortion within libertarian circles, with a reported 30% of libertarians being pro-life. Dean also warned Paul: "do not take on a guy from Jersey. Obviously this guy does not watch HBO." That was presumably an allusion to The Sopranos and Boardwalk Empire, two HBO shows featuring Garden State criminals.
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Howard Dean claims Rand Paul can’t be a libertarian because he’s pro-life. For good measure he throws in a “people from NJ are criminals” joke. Ping to Today show list.
Howard Dean isn’t much of a M.D. if he isn’t Pro-life!
Howard Dean, like the other Liberals, must then be pro death.
Dean [put the @$$ in jack@$$.
Strictly speaking, Dr. Dumbass has swerved into the truth. A big reason why Ron Paul is not still in the Libertarian Party is abortion. I’d imagine it’s also a big reason why his son isn’t a Libertarian either. Of course Dr. Dean can’t distinguish between “Libertarian” and “libertarian”, but that’s because he’s an idiot.
“I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism”
Name that speaker, and you are officially smarter than the former head of the Democrat Party.
Abortion is the single ‘freedom to do as you want’ issue the Dems/libs take, everything else is collective rights to them.
Is Howard Dean speaking as a Libertarian? If not, what is the point that a big-government and abortion advocate like Dean trying to make?
Howard Dean is no doctor because he defies the hippocratic oath to “do no harm”.
Correct! Not bad for a Gator!
I’ll assume you’re a Bulldog. You’re going to lose in Jax.
Rand Paul himself stated he is not a Libertarian.
I’m sure we will, but not this year. Inside of 30 days until football. Week 2 I might actually be forced to cheer for y’all! The Horror!
Howard Dean gave the graduation speech when my wife graduated from UVM, he was then governor of Vermont.
I remember the speech as being moderately conservative. He then ran for President and discovered that power and money go to the socialist. He likes power and money.
At least we both hate “Da U”.
For 30 years they have exemplified everything that is wrong with college sports, and have done so with alarming consistency.
Recently my Gators sure have been screwing up though.
Oh well, I went to UF for engineering, not football.
Libertarians oppose the initiation of force against innocents. Libertarians who believe that the unborn are human lives are pro-life, and that the mother must not initiate force against them.
This shows that Democrats are worried Paul can pull certain liberal elements out of Democratis and Independent ranks.
Thanks! That's very nicely put. I bet you've thought about that before. I've had just this argument with 'tard acquaintances -- that being anti-abortion need not have anything to do with religion (thought it obviously often does) and that there is a clear libertarian position against abortion that applies as well.
And of course the 'tard talking point is -- retarded, as you'd expect. The 10 Commandments includes one forbidding murder. Does that make the laws against it "religious" and a violation of people's freedom of religion.
But then if they could think they wouldn't be liberals.
They are a minority of dissenters, but libertarianism itself is pro-abortion.
The libertarian position on abortion:
"Recognizing that abortion is a sensitive issue and that people can hold good-faith views on all sides, we believe that government should be kept out of the matter, leaving the question to each person for their conscientious consideration."
ronald reagan said that
It’s important to distinguish between positions of the Libertarian Party, and those of the diverse range of libertarians.
Just as we might say that the Republican Party “believes” XYZ, while conservatives might disagree (sometimes even among themselves)
Nonsense, their party perfectly represents libertarianism, that is why they formed it, to put their philosophy into the real world of political positioning.
The tiny liber party is a pure representation of libertarianism.
The fact is, they're a pretty damn large minority. The reasons that plank is worded the way it is are: 1) the old guard, who manipulates the LP levers of power, were and are very pro-abortion, and 2), they know damn good and well they'd lose a huge chunk of the membership if they tried a straight pro-abort wording.
What???? No they aren't large in numbers that is why they have no influence, libertarians are permanently pro-abortion and that is why the use such BLUNT language, ZERO impediments to abortion, ZERO laws against abortion.
"we believe that government [law] should be kept out of the matter" that's it, just a big fat ZERO.