Skip to comments.House votes to block IRS from Obamacare role
Posted on 08/02/2013 1:11:54 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
House Republicans cast a win-win-win vote to go home on Friday a single bill linking taxes, the IRS and the unpopular Obamacare.
Cuing up the exit music as they leave Washington for whats likely to be an acrimonious August recess, the House voted 232-185 for a bill that would bar the IRS from any role in carrying out the law or in collecting taxes to help pay for it. Like most of the other 39 House votes against Obamacare, its largely symbolic as it wont make it through the Senate.
The National Republican Congressional Committee will hammer home the tax-IRS-health law triple play message in August television ads. The theme is that the tax agency under fire for improperly targeting conservative political groups shouldnt have any role in administering the health law. The NRCC also rolled out a new line of green T-shirts that say: Hey IRS, hands off! My healthcare.
The IRS will have access to the American peoples protected health care information, House Majority Leader Eric Cantor said Friday morning. Given that this same agency has illegally disclosed protected taxpayer information, the privacy concerns raised by many are legitimate. This is nothing short of a big government overreach into the most personal aspect of our lives.
The vote was the finale of a series of measures targeting the scandal-plagued IRS. Its also part of Speaker John Boehners stated strategy of trying to attack the health laws most vulnerable pieces this summer and fall while picking up a smattering of Democrats in the process. On this vote, only four Democrats Rep. Mike McIntyre of North Carolina, Jim Matheson of Utah, John Barrow of Georgia and Collin Peterson of Minnesota crossed party lines.
Boehner has outlined this as an alternative to risking a government shutdown over Obamacare...
(Excerpt) Read more at politico.com ...
Fat lot of good it will do if it's only symbolic.
Shut it down, Boner!! Defund it!! Starve the beast!!
In before naysayers.
We already know about the Senate and the POTUS veto, no need to brag. But it does count. It does count because it forces the MSM to report it, and it raises the consciousness, however low it might still be, of the LIVs!
The people in this country need to demand that the IRS has no roll in their healthcare decisions. The “restructuring” IRS has way too many serious “issues” right now. It needs to be reined in and reminded what its mission statement is.
How about a symbolic vote for impeachment of the corrupt and criminal president occupying the white House?
only thing that would work ... the senate cannot start a funding bill.
I vote aye on that!!
Pass a budget bill that funds everything but Obamacare and the President’s travel and the WH party fund then let the Liar-in-chief veto it and shut down the government. Of course the GOP will be blamed, but so what. Obamacare is unpopular and it will be obvious that Obama is self serving. The Republicans get blamed no matter what and at some of the low information voters will believe this BS, but I think there is enough concern about Obamacare causing people to get cut from full time employment and unions shuddering at what it will do to their Cadillac plans that there will be a sigh of relief when it is defunded.
would point out the criminal activity by the elected. The Constitution is clear on where fund must originate. House only. Tired of the game playing. They do not think anyone is left alive that has read the Constitution.
POLITICO SAID THIS???
Sheesh, maybe we are making inroads after all...
When MSNBC says it, I’m going to start looking for skittle-pooping unicorns ;-)
BS! The only alternative worth even thinking about is to defund nobamacare in the upcoming debates on government funding.
Hey Boehner: just pretend nobamacare doesn't exist. Funding comes from the House. Grow a pair and act like it!
Quite frankly, I'm pissed at y'all for wasting my taxpayer dollars screwing around with resolutions, bills and what have you that will never, ever be addressed by the Senate, let alone nobama.
Do it NOW:
fund = funding
A good move, IMHO. Now somebody has to come out against it, and whoever does, pays the price. Reid will be doing what he can to bury this one in the Senate, but even that will have a cost.
Took the words right out of my mouth.
reid ignores in senate and funding continues ... I believe as others ... stop funding this stuff and it dies. Too many games being played.
He’ll cave.....he always does, the coward!
If it won’t make it this is the one they should have tied the Congressional obamacare exemption to. This appears to be a stand alone bill that won’t pass the Senate that they can point to in the next five weeks as they tour their districts and tout as saving us from socialism and kep from discussing what can astually be done. Just something to defray criticism until they get back in session and continue to stand by and watch the disassembly of America.
obumbler will just create another group to take the place of the IRS.
The Consumer Protection Agency would be a likely choice since they have immense powers to collect financial data already, and arguing that health care is not a serious concern for consumers who wish to be protected...rinos would never have the guts to argue the point.
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obumbler will just create another group to take the place of the IRS.”
You’re right of course. I should have written “contribute to the disassembly of America”.
Bohner can stop that kind of krap
just as soon as he discovers the good Lord endowed him
with certain anatomical parts
Amen! You have to wonder whether Boehner and the House GOP leadership really want to get rid of Obamacare or are just grandstanding for the majority of voters who want to kill it completely.
Suppose we'll know for sure with the budget debate in September.
About time for "Boner" to stand up and do what is principled, rather than concerning himself with his image with the leftist MSM. Aside from that, getting rid of Obamacare by whatever means possible would be a political winner for the House GOP going into the 2014 elections.
If that’s an alternative to “risking” a government shutdown over the real thing, it’s a horrendously weak one. Boehner has absolutely no testosterone in his entire weepy self.
” You have to wonder whether Boehner and the House GOP leadership really want to get rid of Obamacare or are just grandstanding for the majority of voters who want to kill it completely.”
He hasn’t fixed anything yet, so I have no faith in him.
That didn't seem to help much in the case of Death Care.
Talk to the Dems...they own the Senate and the Presidency.
I think it’s time for the Tea Party to show up in DC again and remind the Kings and Queens that We The People will help them pack in 2014.
The House could vote to defund it every day...but without the other 2 branches...it just won't happen.
“The Constitution is clear on where fund must originate. House only. Tired of the game playing. They do not think anyone is left alive that has read the Constitution.”
The problem is, half white Hussein doesn’t go by the constitution - it doesn’t exist for him and no one is stopping him. He’ll figure out a way to go around the House and just do it as he is doing everything thing else.
The Constitution is clear on where fund must originate. House only. Tired of the game playing. They do not think anyone is left alive that has read the Constitution.
Yes, revenue bills must originate in the House of Reps, however, any revenue bills must still go to the Senate for a vote, and then to the President, for passage or veto. So, any attempt to vote down funding of Obamacare is an exercise in futility, as the Senate via Reid would just ignore the bill when it came there and not vote on it, and/or if somehow it was acted on in the Senate and passed, the President would then veto it. So, just like the House of Reps having voted 40 times to repeal Obamacare, the attempt to defund Obamacare would also be just symbolic.
In actuality the only ways to get rid of Obamacare is to have such a hue and cry from the citizenry that parts of it are dropped, or the Pubs win significant control of the Senate and enough seats in the House in the mid-term elections that by a 2/3 of Congress vote in both Houses they could override a Presidential veto. Or the Pubs win the Senate in the mid-term elections by a significant majority, maintain the House by a significant majority, and win the Presidency in 2016, thus having control of all 3 branches of gov’t.
That’s our options, folks, whether you like it or not. And that is the Constitution, correctly interpreted. See below:
From Wiki (Constitution of US):
Clause 1: Bills of revenue
All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills.
This establishes the method for making Acts of Congress that involve taxation. Accordingly, any bill may originate in either House of Congress, except for a revenue bill, which may originate only in the House of Representatives. In practice, the Senate sometimes circumvents this requirement by substituting the text of a revenue bill previously passed by the House with a substitute text. Either House may amend any bill, including revenue and appropriation bills.
The Origination Clause stemmed from an English parliamentary practice that all money bills must have their first reading in the House of Commons. It was intended to ensure that the “power of the purse” lies with the legislative body most responsive to the people, although the English practice was modified by allowing the Senate to amend these bills. The clause was also part of a compromise between small and large states; the latter were unhappy with equal representation in the Senate, and so the Origination Clause theoretically compensated the large states for allowing equal voting rights to Senators from small states.
Clause 2: From bills to law
Every Bill which shall have passed the House of Representatives and the Senate, shall, before it become a Law, be presented to the President of the United States; If he approve he shall sign it, but if not he shall return it, with his Objections to that House in which it shall have originated, who shall enter the Objections at large on their Journal, and proceed to reconsider it. If after such Reconsideration two thirds of that House shall agree to pass the Bill, it shall be sent, together with the Objections, to the other House, by which it shall likewise be reconsidered, and if approved by two thirds of that House, it shall become a Law. But in all such Cases the Votes of both Houses shall be determined by yeas and Nays, and the Names of the Persons voting for and against the Bill shall be entered on the Journal of each House respectively. If any Bill shall not be returned by the President within ten Days (Sundays excepted) after it shall have been presented to him, the Same shall be a Law, in like Manner as if he had signed it, unless the Congress by their Adjournment prevent its Return, in which Case it shall not be a Law.
This clause is known as the Presentment Clause. Before a bill becomes law, it must be presented to the President, who has ten days (excluding Sundays) to act upon it. If the President signs the bill, it becomes law. If he disapproves of the bill, he must return it to the House in which it originated together with his objections. This procedure has become known as the veto, although that particular word does not appear in the text of Article One. The bill does not then become law unless both Houses, by two-thirds votes, override the veto. If the President neither signs nor returns the bill within the ten-day limit, the bill becomes law, unless the Congress has adjourned in the meantime, thereby preventing the President from returning the bill to the House in which it originated. In the latter case, the President, by taking no action on the bill towards the end of a session, exercises a “pocket veto”, which Congress may not override. In the former case, where the President allows a bill to become law unsigned, there is no common name for the practice, but recent scholarship has termed it a “default enactment.”
No discretionary government spending, including Obamacare, can occur without approval first in the House. If the House passes a bill that continues all other discretionary spending except Obamacare, the government has no legal authority to spend on Obamacare. The Senate can't permit the funding of Obamacare on its own; it will have to meet with the House for negotiations if it insists on Obamacare funding, at which point the House GOP leadership's backbone will get its sternest test. With some Senate 'rats in states where Obmacare is unpopular up for re-election next year, it's really not predictable whether the House Republicans or Senate Democrats will "blink first" if such a showdown should come to pass.
Meanwhile, Obama can't legally spend anything on Obamacare implementation past Sept. 30 without both House and Senate approval. If he doesn't like it and if no agreement can be reached, there could be a "government shutdown" (no discretionary spending at all allowed), the thought of which bothers a lot of Republicans more than it should. There were several brief ones in the Clinton administration when Newt Gingrich was Speaker, which did not negatively impact the GOP's fortune in the subsequent congressional election.
Justiceseeker93, I like it, but can obamacare taxation (as opposed to spending) occur without House approval at this point?
Money is the ONLY thing that matters to the political class. Without it they have no power, no authority, no status, no grease on their palms, no ill-gotten gains, no privileges...and no jobs!
Yet the people continue to supply these scoundrels with money.
Defund THEM. Starve THEM. They can’t do their dirty work without money.
The people in this country need to show up at IRS offices with tar, feathers and rope.
No, they’re aren’t any “good people” at the agency. They are all complicit with the tyranny.
Where’s the vote to abolish the IRS?
But how if there are no funds passed for it.
That is why congress should defund obumbler care itself.
Just more bs to try to get them more votes in the next election.
It’s quite simple really - Boehner doesn’t defund it because HE DOESN’T WANT TO
WORTHLESS they are just WORTHLESS
and Boehner is the most WORTHLESS of all
Boehner is helping the rats destroy the economy
Well stated and yours is a point worth noting. Thank You.
I wish people would stop saying Defund it. IT IS REPEAL it. Some later liberal POTUS could reinstate it if the law is still on the books. Defunding only delays, not rids’ us of this monster. Make congress live under it too.
Of course, repealing Obamacare is the ideal solution. But with the current political alignment in the House (GOP control), Senate ('Rat control), and White House (Obama), real repeal seems very unlikely, unless large numbers of 'Rats change their minds about it under pressure from their constituent groups, like big unions.
Defunding is constitutionally workable, since the House by itself can refuse to pass any spending bill allowing for Obamacare funding. If they do that and stick to their guns in budget negotiations with the Senate, it's possible that enough Senate 'rats will go along with the defunding, especially those up for re-election next year in states where it is unpopular. When and if such an agreement is reached, the administration will be legally barred from any further implementation spending until another spending bill is passed in Congress.
As for Congress living under it, they won't have to if implementation is defunded.
It says at this link: “ The President does not need to propose legislative changes for those parts of the budget that are governed by permanent law if he feels none are necessary. Nearly all of the federal tax code is set in permanent law, and will not expire. Similarly, more than one-half of federal spending including the three largest entitlement programs (Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security) is also permanently enacted. Interest paid on the national debt is also paid automatically, with no need for specific legislation.”
How do I know if 0bamacare is “permanent law”, which I assume is “non-discretionary”?