Posted on 08/03/2013 6:35:31 AM PDT by Kaslin
The very first bit of anti-libertarian humor I ever posted was this clever video about the anarcho-capitalist paradise of Somalia.
I then shared two cartoons, one on libertarian ice fishing and the other showinglibertarian lifeguards.
That was followed by a very funny list of the 24 types of libertarians.
But I haven’t shared anything making fun of people like me since this “think I do” montage last year.
Thanks to Buzzfeed, however, we now have something new for our collection. They came up with “23 Libertarian Problems” and here are two of my favorites from the list.
(Excerpt) Read more at finance.townhall.com ...
Rand Paul will get a battering from many people not just Christie. Christie’s major donors are the neocons who abhor Paul’s neoisolationism much more than his libertarianism. They fear that hard pressed Americans are beginning to question expensive foreign entanglements that squander human and material treasure. Critical articles like this will appear to harass Paul constantly.
Apparently Rand Paul acolytes equate conservativism with libertinism. The two are not the same.
Watch and see who is laughing at who soon. The GOP has left an awful lot of people like myself in regards to defunding ObamaCare, investigating Benghazi, Illegal Immigration, etc.... We will see who laughs best when it counts
ping, working today
Rand Paul will get battered from all sides because the nut didn’t fall far from the tree.
“Apparently Rand Paul acolytes equate conservativism with libertinism. The two are not the same.”
Apparently some “conservatives” conflate “liberty” with “authoritarian big government”.
It’s a shame.
Libertarians want to return to roughly 1870 A.D. type laws, which is about as “conservative” as it gets.
Dopertarians seem unaware that abortion, adultery, and pretty much all of their sexual immorality was strictly regulated in 1870. History is not their forte.
I don’t think it’s a very good idea to make fun of people that are your only chance to build a winning coalition against the left.
Libertarians are the left.
Murder of the unborn is non negotiable.
Age of consent laws are non negotiable.
Illegality of prostitution is non negotiable.
Controlling our borders is non negotiable.
Back in my libertarian days the leftists I argued with hated my guts.
Your non-negotiables sound like extracts from sharia law
Yeah, except for that whole gay marriage thingy. But nice try.
I consider Libertarians to BE the Left. I have no interest in a coalition with my enemies.
No, no you’ve got it all backwards. You see, back then those things were all approved. It was only later that the man quashed them.
You believe protecting our borders is ‘sharia law’? Wow classic dopetarian.
Are we talking libertarians or Libertarians?
Even if you mean big L libertarians there are too many glaring differences between them and the left for that to be a reasonable position.
The Liberteens? 24 ways.
Are you suggesting that because liberaltarians are not statists that this makes them not liberal?
I’m suggesting that because libertarians argue for limited government from an individualist standpoint they are not liberal.
If you can’t see that libertarians and liberals aren’t the same, then you’re almost not worth arguing with.
Conservatives have no common ground with the left. You can pick almost any issue, and there will be no agreement.
However, conservatives and libertarians agree on a lot of issues, especially civil liberties, entitlement spending, and taxes.
If you were to set aside your differences on the issues where you disagree, you might actually make some progress on the issues where you agree.
Or, you could continue alienating anyone that has a bit of disagreement with you, and shrink into obscurity.
Your choice.
I would work with Libertarians if they would agree to focus on fiscal conservatism. Starve the beast. Force government to be small.
I could hold off for a few year from pushing for social conservatism, if the Libertarians would hold off for a few years from pushing for social Liberalism.
Once government were made small and starved for cash, then I say we could loosen certain restraints (such as drugs) and let the population make their own choices. No government charity. No helping hand. If drugs mess you up, then you have a very serious problem. If you can take the drugs and function just fine, it’s not my problem and I won’t interfere.
1) Fiscal Conservatism
2) Social Liberalism
In that order.
I would consider such an approach. But, in my experience, Libertarians overwhelmingly want to put the emphasis on the good time Charley part of the equation, and they will solve the fiscal stuff “later”. That’s a Libertine approach, and I reject it.
In my libertarian days, Ayn Rand had not yet melded the hippie free love movement into libertarianism. It has changed a lot.
I think Thomas Sowell has described himself as a libertarian. Is he really just a confused liberal?
I know you’re projecting but I don’t use drugs or alcohol. My point was that who are you to impose your views ( they’re not really thoughts) on the right of two other adults to contract? Many libertarians oppose abortion as an illegal deprivation if the infant’s rights. Many libertarians are for strong borders. And many libertarians agree with Ronald Reagan that libertarianism is the soul of conservatism.
Quite correct!
It would be better served if the blogger had focused his keen edged wit where the real problem lies....
There will be no negotiations on core social issues. The Libertarians are not merely a never was party. They are also a never will be party.
Unfortunately for the libertarians, unrestrained libido is no substitute for personal integrity, and it produces vastly inferior results.
No sale.
The author is a fool: Somalia is a Libertarian dream - without LAW.
You add in LAW and you get something entirely different. Libertarians are not against law and order and it’s interesting that he would infer that they are.
I stopped reading after he wrote that.
I haven’t seen any real Libertarian bashing for almost a decade, but it’s starting to creep up. They must really fear Rand Paul.
Which also a major part of the libertarian agenda, and the reason that libertarians see conservatism as something to defeat, as the enemy.
I consider myself a Republican most of the time.
However recently I find myself looking for another choice.
Republicans have in my opinion become a Democrat party, except without all the free stuff.
Republicans seem to like big government. Republicans seem to like illegal immigration. Republicans seem to like importing everything from China.
If the libertarians are busy with the left, then someone needs to step up, and we need another option.
I choose the GOP first, but frankly I am increasingly disappointed with my choices there.
I am unconvinced about the good time Charlie stuff. Back when I was a card carrying Libertarian I didn’t give a rip about social issues. What appealed to me about the Libertarians was that they actually talked out loud about actually making government smaller. I joined the Libertarians after reading Harry Brown’s book because he seemed serious about taking the health care system back to a free market model. This was when he was running for president. How many Republicans have done that?
My opinion on vocabulary and how it has evolved.
libertarian — Used in Europe. It originally meant “anarchist”. No government. People can function just fine without coercion. Some libertarians wanted socialist communes, and some libertarians wanted unbridled capitalism and a free market. Anarchism was a dynamic political arena, with some good ideas and some bad ideas.
Libertarian — Used in America. Third largest political party. Favoring small government. Fiscally Conservative and socially Liberal. As with any political party, there are a range of positions and no set Libertarian position on every issue. Libertarians can disagree with Libertarians on issues, just as non-Libertarians can.
Anarchism — Originally, a belief in no government. Equivalent to libertarian (see above). Today, anarchism just means Marxism. The word anarchism has been seriously debauched by the Left. They do this a lot. I have known many “anarchists” in recent years. They want big government, high taxes, lots of control so that the rich cannot be rich. Anarchists today see a great need to control people, because people make bad choices. That’s just not anarchism. It’s closer to Marxism than anything else.
No, not many, that is why they have so little influence among libertarians, because they are going against libertarianism.
That's "A.D. 1870." Sorry pet peeve of mine. Like saying "loose" when one means "lose."
“Many libertarians are for strong borders.”
So why did you label someone who stated, “protecting our borders” as a supporter of sharia law?
You should have looked before you leaped.
It was all there, the abortion, the homosexual agenda, the borders, and all the rest.
Sowell describes himself as a conservative, not a libertarian. He supports border protection, etc. He’s prolife and against gay marriage, unlike libertarians who support both and label their opponents as supporters of sharia law.
You seem to be using a one-dimensional model of political ideologies. A left-right spectrum does not even begin to represent reality. There are a great many two (and three) dimensional models on-line (you can look them up). While some are wrong, most are a much better than the one-dimensional spectrum. For instance, libertarianism extends from conservative to socialist, on the economic policy axis. IOW, there are conservative libertarians (or libertarian conservatives, if you prefer).
You’re using small “l” libertarianism in an unconventional way. These days libertarianism means something more like classical liberalism. That’s why when Thomas Sowell describes himself as a libertarian we don’t assume he’s an anarchist or an advocate for socialist communes or even that his interest in liberty is strictly limited to economics.
I’ll give you credit though for making a distinction between big and small L libertarianism. Some people like to intermingle the two in order to give their arguments a little assist.
I agree. However, I don’t think a liberaltarian who labels those who believe in border security as ‘sharia law proponents’ is a ‘conservative libertarian.’
“Thomas Sowell describes himself as a libertarian”
You like lying apparently.
Reagan’s view on libertarians:
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Dg0Axyvlkm0&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DDg0Axyvlkm0
Again, do you really believe that he supported gay marriage, abortion, etc, everything that ‘liberaltarians’ advocate today?
“I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism” - Ronald Reagan
do you really believe that he supported gay marriage, abortion, etc, everything that ‘liberaltarians’ advocate today?
Very true, they are not the same. But in many ways they are allied schools of thought.
JL: I don’t think it’s a very good idea to make fun of people that are your only chance to build a winning coalition against the left.
Bingo. You don't often see union members mocking environmentalists. Liberals pull together when it matters. Conservatives, not so much. Unless another Reagan appears, I'd don't think there will be another Republican president.
I would agree with you on the border security.
“Libertarians want to return to roughly 1870 A.D. type laws, which is about as “conservative” as it gets.”
No queer marriage, no abortion, school prayer, must be 21 to vote, no women voting, women couldn’t own property, unrestricted gun ownership.
That 1870? COOL!
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