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Posted on 08/03/2013 6:35:31 AM PDT by Kaslin
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“Has it ever occurred to you that the reason libertarians hate you more than they hate statism”
Thank you for confirming my point. It has been said, “Libertarians hate statism more than they hate conservativism.”
Now, we have proof this is not so.
It has been said, “we cannot win without them”.
Now, again, we have proof that this is not so.
Insofar as libertarians hate conservativism more than they hate statism, we shall see statism prevail.
It is not the duty of conservatives to abandon core conservative principles in order to woo libertarians. It is the duty of libertarians to finally abandon statism.
“Are you so sure it is because of policy disagreements”
Nope. It’s because of prejudice. Pure and simple. Calling conservatives on a conservative site, ‘supporters of sharia’, when they defend protecting the borders is plain prejudice. Pure and simple.
Libertarians say they hate statism but they don’t, not really. They are willing to side with statism because they hate them less than social conservatives.
I was conservative on all of those issues but felt that healthcare was ballgame for the country in terms of maintaining some sort of commitment to the notion of limited government.
You’re saying I should have supported Bush who was really good on borders and conservatism and stuff?
“supported Bush who was really good on borders and conservatism and stuff?”
As opposed to your usual straight party line D vote for Kerry, Obama, Obama and Gore?
Sounds like the DNC agenda. Odd that.
I would argue that ‘conservative’ economics argues in favor for the preservation of the traditional family as an economic benefit.
It’s been overlooked by present theories how the breakdown of the family contributes to our economic problems - single mothers are vastly more expensive for the state than a married mom.
Don’t libertarians ever look at the voting data?
Conservatism in voting is a social conservative thing, social liberals are overwhelmingly liberal voters.
The libertarian social agenda creates liberal voters who love the libertarian social agenda, and then vote themselves economics that makes it easier for them to live it.
You really don’t know how social liberals and atheists vote, versus Evangelicals?
Wasn’t it team liberaltarian that argued we needed a ‘moderate’ like Romney in order to defeat Obama? That worked out SOOO well for team us, btw.
Didn’t they also push for Juan McCain because ‘it was his turn’?
“They are willing to side with statism because they hate them less than social conservatives.”
I don’t agree with much else you have said on this thread, but you are absolutely right on this when it comes to the people who make the Libertarian Party go. That’s why they can’t get more than a couple of percentage points of the vote. They HATE Rand Paul for being pro life, and wanting to put troops on the border, and opposing gay marriage.
The difference between the libertarian agenda listed in post 93, and the DNC agenda, is that the DNC knows that it creates more of the liberal voters who will seek big government and liberal economics, the goofy libertarians claim to think that somehow that ghetto list creates right-wing, Christian right type voters, voting away welfare and food stamps.
The libertarian fantasy is a bizarro land delusion.
You are correct. The Dark Side (NeoCons) will never allow a non-statist to be elected. Let the smears begin!
...a history revisionist. You can’t be serious.
Evangeocals didn’t vote in the last presidential election....
The libertarian party represent true libertarians, the smarter libertarians want to take over the GOP and make it a part of the liberal DNC, except with conservative economics.
We can expect to see more Romneys, and rinos in the future.
“The libertarian social agenda creates liberal voters who love the libertarian social agenda, and then vote themselves economics that makes it easier for them to live it.”
That doesn’t make any sense. Liberal economics makes it easier to live with the results of the Left’s social agenda. You seem to say that libertarianism is like a gateway drug to liberalism. They are indoctrinated with liberalism from an early age. Why would they need to explore libertarian philosophy, which would chip away at some of that indoctrination? Young people who take up libertarianism are far more likely to embrace conservatism.
The problem is that they are kneecapping us on important issues like the preservation of marriage - they oppose the constitutional protections when it opposes the things they want, and then they refuse to act against the intervention when the statists impose things.
It’s like a rachet that slides only one way. We saw plenty of them here champion the campaign to remove DOMA, while other folks (like myself), warned that we’d see ‘instant immigration visas (which surprise surprise they like) for gay ‘couples’.
They would rather see the eradication of marriage licenses in society altogether than admit that maybe, just maybe, they are wrong about the connection between laws and society. Even in saying that marriage is a private good seems like a decent argument until you get to the questions like, “how then do we regulate bigamy?” “does a wife have a right to know if her husband has another wife”? “Does a child have a right to know their father and mother”, “should we issue visas to people who claim to be married, but arent”, and we see the libertarians strangely silent. It’s as if they believe that once they eradicate marriage altogether that the consequences go away.
I’ve been voting nearly straight ticket Republican since the 2000 election. I ended up voting for Bush in that election, changing my mind literally at the last second in the voting booth. I knew it was going to be close and I couldn’t make myself throw my vote away. I knew the Democrats were the real enemy so I held my nose and pulled the lever for Bush. 2000 was the beginning of the end of my dalliance with the Libertarians. It was then that I decided it made more sense to support the Republicans, as impure as they are, because they are actually in the game and have some hope of winning.
“Young people who take up libertarianism are far more likely to embrace conservatism.”
Unlikely. I just don’t see it. If they embrace the social agenda then they are going to end up being 100 percent DNC supporters who call themselves ‘libertarian’.
It’s all about where they stand on social issues. A young person who is libertarian because he believes in constitutional protections like free speech, will in all likelihood become conservative, if he is exposed to conservative principles.
A libertarian who is a libertarian because of free dope and free condoms isn’t going to become conservative.
You are a kooky conspiracy theorist when it comes to libertarians.
I hope you understand my frustration with liberaltarians over social issues.
We can’t win if we surrender social issues, because the economics flows from them.
I started to mention this up thread with one of your goofy posts, but you just don't know much.
""A national post-election survey commissioned by the Faith and Freedom Coalition last night found that the evangelical vote increased in 2012 to a record 27% of the electorate and that white evangelicals voted roughly 78% for Mitt Romney to 21% for Barack Obama. This was the highest share of the vote in modern political history for evangelicals, Reed said. Evangelicals turned out in record numbers and voted as heavily for Mitt Romney yesterday as they did for George W. Bush in 2004, Reed observed. That is an astonishing outcome that few would have predicted even a few months ago. But Romney underperformed with younger voters and minorities and that in the end made the difference for Obama.""
Looks to me like the GOP has been turned into part of the DNC without the libertarians having much to do with it. The “conservative economics” don’t appear to be represented anywhere. Romney as libertarian is absurd. He has never identified as such, and is not embraced in any way by libertarians of any party.
So long as liberaltarians insist on promoting gay marriage, abortion, free dope and state supported condoms, they will never be of any assistance to conservatives in any way shape or form.
I fully understand your frustration with libertarians. Conservatives are getting their asses kicked by liberals when it comes to social issues, and it’s easier to find a scapegoat in libertians than to face this larger more difficult fact.
Right, so your solution is to adopt liberal positions on social issues.
Free dope, free condoms, gay marriage, and abortion?
The only reason a young person is going to look into libertarianism is because he finds liberalism unsatisfying. Otherwise, he’d just go with the flow of everything he’s been taught in school and the culture. That person is going to be exposed to ideas that government is not always the solution, and is often the problem. That person is going to be far more likely to vote on the conservative side than the liberal side, particularly as he ages.
I haven’t heard any libertarians saying anything other than that they would have to pay for their own dope and condoms. Is there something specific to which you allude? I would be most interested to see that, and comment on it.
I’m mixed on the drugs issue but am trending towards William F. Buckley’s position. The rest I reject, just like most of the libertarians around here who you guys endlessly annoy with your silly malformed BS.
No, as your post reveals with your gloating, libertarians are part of the left’s war against God, America, and conservatism.
You are part of the left’s penetration into the right, you promote their agenda with a new vocabulary.
We still get gay marriage and abortion, but your branch of the left uses a different language, and it has taken a while to see how effective you have been with your rinos as they see the brilliance and adopt libertarianism.
You missed actually attending.
The tea parties covered economic, social, and national security issues.
There was no uniform nationwide platform - its a movement not a party.
With that in mind, none of the open borders, pro abortion, pro prostitution, sleep with any kid whose pants you can get into crap was flying most places. You want legalized licenciousness you may as well go over to the side bright enough to understand that a welfare state and criminalizing Christianity are necessary components of making that fly.
Revisionism is best practiced after the people who were there have passed on.
Yes you have, that they also would have to pay for their own partial birth abortions, for their own gay marriages, for their own gay adoptions and bus rides to the military enlistment depot, and to take a taxi across the border when the Border Patrol and INS have been shut down.
LOL — you are too much, ansel12.
But I have to go put a clutch in my car so the last word is yours.
“Im mixed on the drugs issue”
Ask yourself, “would I want my son, wife, daughters, granddaughters and grandsons using?”
If the answer is no, then why do you support it for other families?
The libertarian position is the same for drugs as it is for abortion, ZERO interference, not just Crack and Heroin, but all drugs, and anything that stoner laboratories and doper scientists can come up with in the future.
Libers also support full advertising and marketing of the crack and heroin and future concoctions and combinations.
“I havent heard any libertarians saying anything other than that they would have to pay for their own dope and condoms. Is there something specific to which you allude? I would be most interested to see that, and comment on it.”
They’ve opposed the Catholic church, and believe that the Catholic church ought to be forced to pay for condoms and obamacare.
As for dope - they believe in legalization, with the concamitant support for ‘medicinal’ as paid for, also by Obamacare, etc. Basically, you’ll be paying as John Q Taxpayer for ‘medicinal dope’ that they can pick up in a dispensary and trip out.
But that of course is a libertarian position because handing out dope, condoms and pipes is less expensive than police officers.
The guy whose pic we find at the top of this thread is Ronald Reagan. He said: “If you analyze it I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism.”
If you totally dismiss libertarianism, then you totally dismiss Ronald Reagan.
I figure those who fear libertarianism, equally fear freedom. Often they are mere Posers pretending to be conservatives.
What else could explain their fear? Since libertarianism is likely the most dangerous threat to progressive liberals we have.
I don’t want anyone using drugs. But I also think the WOD is real mixed bag, especially when it comes to marijuana.
That’s all I have time to say. Gotta go do some car work.
Just as this thread and many threads on freerepublic proves, libertarians are the commandos of the left, by using a vocabulary that mimics conservatism, they actually defend and promote the left's social agenda among conservatives.
The only place that you can find freepers expressing pro-homosexual support and open borders support, and even pro-choice views, is on the libertarian threads.
Romney was late to discover the usefulness of libertarianism to explain his liberalism, and by the time he did, he was having to deal with a conservative base and try to convince them that he wasn't actually pro-abortion and pro-homosexual agenda, but he did learn to use the libertarian talk to protect himself on decisions that he made as governor.
Which is more than enough punishment for anyone.
“Social conservatives are killing this country just as fast as the leftists.”
And this, FRiends, is your brain on libertarianism.
As I said, libertarians hate social conservatives more than they hate statists. They will eagerly promote the statist agenda so long as they get their free dope and free condoms.
Good luck with this argument, btw!
“I dont want anyone using drugs.”
Social conservatives created this nation, they would have been lynching libertarians in 1790.
The libertarian/left agenda has made it's fantastic replacement of social conservatism only within the last 50 years, and it has been a disaster.
What’s your position on dope, condoms, gay marriage and abortion? Do we hit a quartet?
“Dopertarians seem unaware that abortion, adultery, and pretty much all of their sexual immorality was strictly regulated in 1870. History is not their forte.”
Adultery was tolerated, and prostitution was legal a whole lot of places. I’m generally with you on the abortion thing, but willing to leave it to state law.
The downsides of oppressive government (particularly Federal government) regulation far outweigh the benefits. Government, in particular, should have nothing to do with marriage - it is a religious ceremony.
“No queer marriage, no abortion, school prayer, must be 21 to vote, no women voting, women couldnt own property, unrestricted gun ownership.”
I’m quite sure women could own property LOL!
As to women voting, I’m a bit conflicted on that one... ;-)
You got all wrong. I don’t hate social conservatives and their desire for a complete theological state. I hate the ones who can’t understand that there are issues that should be left up to the individual states instead of the fed.
“Liberaltarian = A liberal that likes guns but doesnt want to pay taxes.
Beyond that there is no difference!”
You forgot the “small, limited government” and “free market” parts. Of course there are plenty of “big government” “conservatives”. lol
So you think due process is a lefty agenda? That’s exactly what you are implying.
Every leftist I've ever known considers libertarians the radical right!
Oh for crying out loud, you take an opening quote of candidate Reagan in an 1975 interview for a libertarian audience in a tiny libertarian magazine, where he opens with a typical Reagan mention of common ground on economics before he gets around to explaining why he isn't a libertarian, and you think that makes the great CONSERVATIVE hero a libertarian, which he never was.
Reagan is a hero to conservatives, he rallied the religious right, the national defense right, and the economic right, not libertarians, in fact the libertarians best election in history, was running against Reagan in 1980.
“Theres a pretty easy way to differentiate between a conservative and a libertarian. Go through these issues with a person:”
As with anything, there’s a range of opinion among libertarians. That’s like saying all Republicans favor the death penalty - it just ain’t so, Joe.