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23 Ways of Poking Fun at Libertarians
Townhall.com ^ | August 3, 2013 | Daniel J. Mitchell

Posted on 08/03/2013 6:35:31 AM PDT by Kaslin

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To: ClearCase_guy
I consider Libertarians to BE the Left. I have no interest in a coalition with my enemies.

Uppercase L versus lowercase L is drastic difference. Uppercase Libertarian Party types are basically 50% low empathy Hedonists... Anarchists, clinical or subclinical sociopaths.

Lowercase L liberatians believe in the rule of law, the original intent of the Constitution, the purpose and scope of federal government, and attest to the the Milton Friedman take on private enterprise and free market capitalism as being the best, most natural, economic model.

I look forward to a shift within the Republican Party away from the Rove douchebaggery... we have some good voices for the direction we should be taking here... run with it.

Rand is part of this process that I welcome... as a conservative leaning libertarian.

Flame away... "you are not a real conservative... blah blah DU Troll blah blah blah".

I'll be comforted in knowing I ain't alone here.

151 posted on 08/03/2013 10:19:19 AM PDT by Rodamala
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To: freerepublicchat
Every leftist I've ever known considers libertarians the radical right!

Depends on the topic doesn't it.

They agree on abortion, gays, open borders, drugs, porn, etc.

They both agree that conservatives are the problem that has to be overcome.

152 posted on 08/03/2013 10:19:20 AM PDT by ansel12 ( The difference between libertarianism and conservatism is the libertarian liberalism, not economics)
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To: ansel12
The libertarian position is the same for drugs as it is for abortion, ZERO interference, not just Crack and Heroin, but all drugs, and anything that stoner laboratories and doper scientists can come up with in the future.

Libers also support full advertising and marketing of the crack and heroin and future concoctions and combinations.

These problems mostly solve themselves as tragedies become lessons for others. Sometimes that's a person's only purpose -- to serve as a warning to others. Libertarians see government interference in these things as a waste of time at best.

But while the government is trying to fight these problems, innocent people are being shot in drug gang conflicts. People have their heads cut off as the members of drug empires send a message to rivals. And a police force militarized to combat these gangs have SWAT teams breaking in doors and shooting innocent people and pets.

This declaration of war against drugs has turned some cities into war zones and entire nations into battlefields.

The problem with people that want to maintain the war on drugs is that they're too eager to protect people from drugs.

But if the choice is between people dying from drug abuse and people being killed in drug war cross-fire, I'll pick people dying from drug abuse. I can avoid drug abuse much more easily than I can the consequences of the drug war.

I'm selfish that way. If a person wants to kill themselves with drugs, that's tragic, but I'm not going to sacrifice myself and my city and reasonable police power to help them.

153 posted on 08/03/2013 10:20:58 AM PDT by freerepublicchat
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To: randomhero97

just like spousal visas is a state issue?


154 posted on 08/03/2013 10:22:56 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge ("we are pilgrims in an unholy land")
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To: Rodamala
Uppercase L versus lowercase L is drastic difference.

There is no difference.
Where is this little l agenda of social conservatism, of forbidding homosexuality in the military and gay marriage, drugs, etc that is viciously at war with the Libertarians stealing their name?

155 posted on 08/03/2013 10:23:02 AM PDT by ansel12 ( The difference between libertarianism and conservatism is the libertarian liberalism, not economics)
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To: Kaslin

I’d rather poke fun at liberals.

I have much more in common with the Libertarians that I personally know than I EVER will have with liberals. There are some differences of opinion, sure. But by and large, we’re in the same fighting holes.

They support individual liberty and freedom; so do I.

They support capitalism; so do I.

They support gun rights: so do I.

They support sensible taxation: so do I.

They support less government intrusion: so do I.

They’re opposed to socialism, communism, fascism: So am I.

They’re opposed to “redistribution of wealth”: so am I.

They’re opposed to ANY form of “tyranny over the minds of man”: so am I.

I prefer not to alienate potential allies. Especially when the hour is as late as it is in the life of my Country, and we’re pressed on all sides by democrat barbarian hordes as it were.

To each their own, I guess.


156 posted on 08/03/2013 10:26:29 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: freerepublicchat

Aside from your ridiculous but sick idea that death removes the problem of drug use which it clearly doesn’t, those people vote by the millions.

You don’t seem to realize that the ghetto social agenda of the libers, and open borders goal, produces liberal voters, not conservative voters.

The libertarian agenda listed in post 93 only creates a larger voter base for bigger government and more programs.

It all makes economic conservatism impossible.


157 posted on 08/03/2013 10:31:10 AM PDT by ansel12 ( The difference between libertarianism and conservatism is the libertarian liberalism, not economics)
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To: JCBreckenridge

I’ll make a diligent search for libertarians who support Obamacare and think that anyone should be forced to pay for anyones else’s condoms. I would love to debate such a person. Can you help me get started on that search, since you seem to know?


158 posted on 08/03/2013 10:32:55 AM PDT by cdcdawg (Be seeing you...)
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To: NFHale
They support individual liberty and freedom; so do I.

You mean they support abortion, homosexual marriage and adoption, gays in the military and so on, closing down the Border Patrol and INS to truly open the borders, etc.

Talk about bastardizing the language, they are part of the radical left, not of traditional America.

159 posted on 08/03/2013 10:36:35 AM PDT by ansel12 ( The difference between libertarianism and conservatism is the libertarian liberalism, not economics)
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To: JCBreckenridge

The liberal response to that is to increase government support. How and why would “conservative economics” disagree?


160 posted on 08/03/2013 10:36:37 AM PDT by cdcdawg (Be seeing you...)
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To: ansel12
I'll play this game.

Roe vs Wade should be overturned. That is an issue for states. Although, I am in complete agreement of laws against late term abortions.

Gay marriage should be left to the states. The government shouldnt be in the business of marriage anyway. In the states view it should be looked at as a contract between two parties. The church should be the place where marriage is performed in the eyes of God and the church should not be forced to perform gay marriage.

A nation is not a nation without borders. Protecting our borders is the business of the federal government. It is an invasion in my opinion and should be treated as such.

Marijuana should be decriminalized. Crack, meth, cocaine, etc should still carry criminal penalties for dealing. Don't tie up the courts with users. Hammer the deals. Look, the war on drugs has done nothing to enhance any brand of conservatism.

As far as porn that's a tough one. Way too much demand for that on both the left and the right. However, the focus should be rid of all child porn first and then focus on helping adult women learn to not get taken advantage of. I'm not a prude by any means but porn producers are nothing but predators.
161 posted on 08/03/2013 10:38:41 AM PDT by randomhero97 ("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
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To: PreciousLiberty

Where is that huge segment of libertarians who don’t support this?

“”Sexual orientation, preference, gender, or gender identity should have no impact on the government’s treatment of individuals, such as in current marriage, child custody, adoption, immigration or military service laws.””

Where are all those social conservative libertarians hiding, and why would they be calling themselves libertarians if they are actually conservatives?


162 posted on 08/03/2013 10:42:41 AM PDT by ansel12 ( The difference between libertarianism and conservatism is the libertarian liberalism, not economics)
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To: randomhero97

There is no game, just revealing the libertarian agenda.

Like many libers, you want to reveal your inner fantasies and hair splitting, while avoiding the reality of the liber agenda in it’s war against conservatism.

For instance libers support this in the arena of politics, and in time they and their fellow lefties get it in law, “”Sexual orientation, preference, gender, or gender identity should have no impact on the government’s treatment of individuals, such as in current marriage, child custody, adoption, immigration or military service laws.””


163 posted on 08/03/2013 10:48:03 AM PDT by ansel12 ( The difference between libertarianism and conservatism is the libertarian liberalism, not economics)
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To: justlurking

When the absolute is not killing human beings, it is good to be an absolutist.

The mental and moral incapacity to grasp that is the base point which keeps todays libertarians from comprehending why no amount of persistence or change of phrasing gains them any traction with conservatives.


164 posted on 08/03/2013 10:50:17 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: randomhero97

What a silly post, read what you were replying to, again.


165 posted on 08/03/2013 10:50:43 AM PDT by ansel12 ( The difference between libertarianism and conservatism is the libertarian liberalism, not economics)
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To: ansel12

Gay marriage is way down on the list of agendas for libertarians. There are more pressing issues and if you can’t see that there is no hope for you.


166 posted on 08/03/2013 10:53:27 AM PDT by randomhero97 ("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
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To: ansel12

So what you’re saying is the 6 million evamgelicals who voted fpr Obsma swung the election in his favor....


167 posted on 08/03/2013 10:57:36 AM PDT by freebilly (Creepy and the Ass Crackers....)
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To: Yardstick

Post 113 wasn’t a conspiracy theory.

What do you think that you witness on this thread? Libertarians who are either members of, or supporters of the GOP who want to destroy the social conservative portion of it.

Rinos and libertarians are becoming an increasing problem as they continue to isolate and cut off conservative, traditional, Americans, this has been taking place for decades.


168 posted on 08/03/2013 10:58:30 AM PDT by ansel12 ( The difference between libertarianism and conservatism is the libertarian liberalism, not economics)
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To: Yardstick; ansel12

Actually. He keeps backing his position up with quotes and links to published articles.

Of the two of you , ansel12 is far more reasoned.


169 posted on 08/03/2013 11:01:29 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: freebilly

On the contrary. I did vote.

For the Conservative party candidate.

Others whom I had enlightened as to Romney’s involvement in the now successful campaign to give gays access to the boy scouts and his executive order instituting gay marriage in Massachusetts and the whole Romneycare thing and his Planned Parenthood fundraising did sit this one out.

Evangelicals who are committed to their faith were never going to knowingly vote for someone pushing those issues. Period.

Water is wet.
The liberal social agenda can not exist with Biblical Christianity.


170 posted on 08/03/2013 11:08:44 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: ansel12
"...I have much more in common with the Libertarians that I personally know ..."

Did you read that part too?

Maybe the folks I know aren't your "typical" Libertarians. They don't support any of what you mentioned. Maybe they're more conservative than "libertarian", but they sure as hell don't call themselves republicans anymore. They're sick of the gutless, spineless GOP that won't stand up to the dems - they despise the communist/socialist Democrats.

The people I'm referring to all combat veterans with years of experience overseas. And when they speak, I listen; their words carry a hell of a lot more weight than what comes out of the mouths of most people.

Maybe we have a different view of what "libertarian" means - much the same way as being a "liberal" in Thomas Jefferson's view of the word is vastly different than what it means now.

171 posted on 08/03/2013 11:12:02 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: MrEdd

Why did 21% of evangelicals vote for Obama?


172 posted on 08/03/2013 11:13:07 AM PDT by freebilly (Creepy and the Ass Crackers....)
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To: cdcdawg
Young people who take up libertarianism are far more likely to embrace conservatism.

You are not at DU trying to persuade liberals to move right and support conservative economics, you are at freerepublic trying to persuade conservatives to move left, and embrace social liberalism.

The agenda of libers to destroy social conservatism nationally and in law, leads to a culture that breeds and creates more voters for the left in vast numbers.

It is the sweeping away of civilization and American conservatism with the libertarian social agenda that creates an endless wave of many MILLIONS of new, always more, permanent big government voters.

173 posted on 08/03/2013 11:13:43 AM PDT by ansel12 ( The difference between libertarianism and conservatism is the libertarian liberalism, not economics)
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To: Kaslin

I have learned many things in this thread, such as

Mitt Romney is a libertarian.

John McCain is a libertarian. I assume Lindsey Graham is too.

Rand Paul is a Libertarian.

Libertarians support Obamacare.

Libertarians believe that government should provide drugs and condoms.

Reagan didn’t mean what he said about libertarianism being the heart and soul of conservatism. Libertarianism played no role at all in Reagan’s ideological makeup.

Libertarians are commandos of the Left.

There is something called “conservative economics” that exists apart from libertarianism, classical liberalism, Austrian and Chicago Schools, or I suppose even Monatarism.

Only “conservative economics” has looked into the economic consequences of the breakdown of the family, and “conservative economics” apparently does not go beyond this particular line of study.

Libertarianism is needed to help young people embrace liberalism, and vote Democrat.


174 posted on 08/03/2013 11:16:15 AM PDT by cdcdawg (Be seeing you...)
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To: NFHale

Basically you just don’t have anything to say in regards to actual libertarians and libertarianism.

You just want to tell us your perception of your personal life and friends, that isn’t very useful on a political forum.


175 posted on 08/03/2013 11:21:35 AM PDT by ansel12 ( The difference between libertarianism and conservatism is the libertarian liberalism, not economics)
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To: ansel12

You have your opinion sport, so do I. Like everybody else out here.

Have a great day.


176 posted on 08/03/2013 11:23:34 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: cdcdawg

Deluding yourself and working so hard to play dishonest games even with yourself explains how you keep yourself thinking the things you do.


177 posted on 08/03/2013 11:24:22 AM PDT by ansel12 ( The difference between libertarianism and conservatism is the libertarian liberalism, not economics)
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To: freebilly
Why did 21% of evangelicals vote for Obama?

The least Obama voting group in America, that makes you hostile towards them?

Do you want to see how atheists vote, the numbers are pretty much reversed.

You like that? Really want to diss the most conservative voters in America?

178 posted on 08/03/2013 11:28:48 AM PDT by ansel12 ( The difference between libertarianism and conservatism is the libertarian liberalism, not economics)
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To: ansel12

I’m here to discuss what libertarianism is, is not, how and why it was fused with traditionism, and how those things play out in our contemporary politics. I enjoy that sort of discussion.


179 posted on 08/03/2013 11:29:08 AM PDT by cdcdawg (Be seeing you...)
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To: randomhero97

I believe ‘marriage’ is as old and defined as the Biblical accounts such as marriage in Canaan. If like sexes want to join in a life union, let such be exactly that, a ‘union’. However. realizing the propensity for homosexuals to legitimize their relationships by absconding with all persons vocabulary such as gay, the traditional vocabulary must be corrupted to give homosexuals a fix with tradition.
Also I do not agree with your take on legalizing marijuana. Though a comparison can be made between tobacco and marijuana there is history to show that marijuana is a much more destructive societal problem than tobacco with all the unsavory foreign participants involved. I know the societal costs of tobacco are huge being a long ago smoker but I believe the societal costs of marijuana use are yet to be accounted.


180 posted on 08/03/2013 11:29:09 AM PDT by noinfringers2
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To: ansel12

Identify a delusion or dishonesty in that post.


181 posted on 08/03/2013 11:30:54 AM PDT by cdcdawg (Be seeing you...)
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To: randomhero97
I don’t hate social conservatives and their desire for a complete theological state.

You are a bald faced liar.

You also don't seem to know that social conservatives created America, yet now, after you lefties having 50 years of glory, you think that pro-life and pro-marriage is wanting to impose a theological state.

You really seem to hate pre-1960s America.

182 posted on 08/03/2013 11:35:27 AM PDT by ansel12 ( The difference between libertarianism and conservatism is the libertarian liberalism, not economics)
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To: PreciousLiberty
The downsides of oppressive government (particularly Federal government) regulation far outweigh the benefits. Government, in particular, should have nothing to do with marriage - it is a religious ceremony.

I would agree with that to a point. The government/society does have an interest in recording marriages to prevent polygamy and protect a spouse's rights with respect to property and/or children in the event of a divorce or death.

183 posted on 08/03/2013 11:38:25 AM PDT by randog (Tap into America!)
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To: JCBreckenridge

“What’s your position on dope, condoms, gay marriage and abortion? Do we hit a quartet?”

Dope: Other than giving up liberties for the WOsDs, nothing thus far has been effective to prevent people from using them.

Position on condoms?: Okay, I like missionary...

gay marriage: see Leviticus ch 18 verse 22

Abortion: Utilized by poser conservatives to get elected, who then make concessions on everything else under the sun.


184 posted on 08/03/2013 11:39:11 AM PDT by takenoprisoner (Constitutional Conservatism is Americanism.)
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To: cdcdawg

LOL, and waste more time on your childishness, no thanks.

Getting off the subject of the true libertarian agenda is the primary goal of the libertarians here.

That is why you ignore our posts, for instance 173.


185 posted on 08/03/2013 11:40:54 AM PDT by ansel12 ( The difference between libertarianism and conservatism is the libertarian liberalism, not economics)
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To: takenoprisoner

So, you support abortion, contraception and dope?

Cool. 3/4.


186 posted on 08/03/2013 11:44:42 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge ("we are pilgrims in an unholy land")
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To: ansel12

You can’t identify a delusion or dishonesty in #174 because there aren’t any. I responded to #173 to the extent it had anything to do with me. You said I was here for a certain purpose. You were incorrect. I corrected you. That’s a recurring theme on these threads.


187 posted on 08/03/2013 11:47:57 AM PDT by cdcdawg (Be seeing you...)
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To: randomhero97

The homosexual agenda is high on the libertarian list, even here at FR the libertarians are pretty obsessed with it.

The libertarians have been joyful at their recent victories on homosexualizing the military and federal government and that gay marriage will become equal in America.


188 posted on 08/03/2013 11:51:40 AM PDT by ansel12 ( The difference between libertarianism and conservatism is the libertarian liberalism, not economics)
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To: JCBreckenridge

What is your position on contraception?


189 posted on 08/03/2013 11:52:27 AM PDT by cdcdawg (Be seeing you...)
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To: cdcdawg
I’m here to discuss what libertarianism is, is not, how and why it was fused with traditionism, and how those things play out in our contemporary politics. I enjoy that sort of discussion.

I know why you are here and what you enjoy about it.

You are not at DU trying to persuade liberals to move right and support conservative economics, you are at freerepublic trying to persuade conservatives to move left, and embrace social liberalism.

Just as this thread and many threads on freerepublic proves, libertarians are the commandos of the left, by using a vocabulary that mimics conservatism, they actually defend and promote the left's social agenda among conservatives.

The only place that you can find freepers expressing pro-homosexual support and open borders support, and even pro-choice views, is on the libertarian threads.

190 posted on 08/03/2013 11:54:02 AM PDT by ansel12 ( The difference between libertarianism and conservatism is the libertarian liberalism, not economics)
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To: cdcdawg

I support contraception being privately available, but I don’t believe that anyone should be forced to buy coverage which includes contraception.

If you want it, pay for it. I also believe that if a pharmacist or a pharmacy chooses not to stock or dispense it then that should be respected. If a customer wants it they can go to another store.

Personally, I’m a Catholic. I do not believe in contraception. Church sez so and I follow.


191 posted on 08/03/2013 11:55:05 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge ("we are pilgrims in an unholy land")
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To: takenoprisoner
Abortion: Utilized by poser conservatives to get elected, who then make concessions on everything else under the sun.

A none statement.

192 posted on 08/03/2013 11:55:35 AM PDT by ansel12 ( The difference between libertarianism and conservatism is the libertarian liberalism, not economics)
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To: ansel12

I’ve tried to do that at DU, but I always got tombstoned. I enjoy political and philosophical discussions, not to mention religion and football, because I find those topics to be interesting and informative. . Is thereme other secret enjoyment I get out of it? You seem to think so, so what is it?


193 posted on 08/03/2013 12:00:17 PM PDT by cdcdawg (Be seeing you...)
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To: JCBreckenridge

I was just curious. I agree with you, and I would add that the Supreme Court decision making it a right (Griswold) is utterly insane. The Constitution is silent on the matter. That’s the case that got us where we are today.


194 posted on 08/03/2013 12:03:57 PM PDT by cdcdawg (Be seeing you...)
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To: cdcdawg

One of the good things about freerepublic is that it is a conservative site, we are not here to debate liberal positions on social issues.

The reason libertarian threads are so strange, is that the libertarians have liberal positions that they want to push, but they have to soft pedal them and play games, so a thread that could be short, simple, and tight, can go on for days as the libers fight to promote what they won’t admit they are promoting, or even “personally” support.

All the wiliness, and lying, and evasion, yet attacking, makes for the creepiest posters we have.


195 posted on 08/03/2013 12:08:22 PM PDT by ansel12 ( The difference between libertarianism and conservatism is the libertarian liberalism, not economics)
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To: takenoprisoner

As the older people here have pointed out, the Libertarianism of today is as far from the libertarianism of Reagan’s youth as the Democrat party of today is from that of Reagan’s younger years.


196 posted on 08/03/2013 12:12:29 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: ansel12

You claimed to know what I enjoyed about these types of discussions, above and beyond what I know about myself. What is it?

While you’re at it, you can also identify a leftwing social position I have pushed here. You said not to be evasive, so I expect a fairly straightforward answer.


197 posted on 08/03/2013 12:31:50 PM PDT by cdcdawg (Be seeing you...)
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To: MrEdd

I like how you used the L and l. The libertarian thinkers of Reagan’s formative years had very little to say on social issues. The pinkos hadn’t destroyed our culture back then.

I think that libertarianism doesn’t work as a political party. It’s best understood as a presumption against government. That presumption is rebuttable, but the bar is usually set pretty high. As a distinct political party, I think it pretty much has to fail. If for no other reason than open borders would bring in millions of statist voters that would end any hope of limiting government. I get all kinds of heat for bringing that up with the Reason crowd. If a role for government is acknowledged, then people will fall all along a continuum for where to draw the line. All forms of extremism seem to carry the seeds of their own destruction.


198 posted on 08/03/2013 12:45:27 PM PDT by cdcdawg (Be seeing you...)
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To: cdcdawg

For a guy implying that he opposes the libertarian view on social issues and supports the social conservative positions and politics, you sure spend a lot of time arguing with the social conservatives.

In fact, you are clearly dedicated to it, devoted.


199 posted on 08/03/2013 12:46:13 PM PDT by ansel12 ( The difference between libertarianism and conservatism is the libertarian liberalism, not economics)
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To: ansel12

Evasion.


200 posted on 08/03/2013 12:48:26 PM PDT by cdcdawg (Be seeing you...)
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