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23 Ways of Poking Fun at Libertarians
Townhall.com ^ | August 3, 2013 | Daniel J. Mitchell

Posted on 08/03/2013 6:35:31 AM PDT by Kaslin

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To: justlurking

“Social conservative issues took a back seat in 2010”

Like I said. You have an agenda here. You have an enemy and that enemy is social conservatives.

“If only we ditched all that horrid social conservativism neanderthal principles, we might actually win us some elections!”

“They have to build a coalition.”

Only 50 percent of eligible folks actually vote. You’re right that we need to build a coalition. Of traditional marriage supporters, prolifers, 2nd amendment folks and border security. That along with cutting entitlement pork, and strong military will win elections.

We don’t need you, unless your willing to work with the coalition. You seem to believe that the party must change to you rather than you to the party.

“He wouldn’t have made much progress on social issues”

Right, because you can only win elections by ditching social conservativism and taking up the holy trinity of abortion, gay marriage, and free dope.


501 posted on 08/05/2013 12:55:35 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge ("we are pilgrims in an unholy land")
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To: justlurking

Or perhaps I should adopt a slogan of a simpler time, “Acid, abortion and amnesty”.


502 posted on 08/05/2013 12:57:18 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge ("we are pilgrims in an unholy land")
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To: JCBreckenridge
Like I said. You have an agenda here. You have an enemy and that enemy is social conservatives.

I don't have an agenda. I stated an observation. You are the one projecting that onto "social conservatives are my enemy".

I have no problem with social conservatives. I agree with them in many ways, and not in others. Ditto for economic conservatives.

I don't generally consider anyone that isn't shooting at me to be an enemy. But, if I were to consider anyone else to be an enemy, it would be you, personally. Not social conservatives, but YOU. Just you, simply because you seem to be completely unable to conduct yourself in a civil manner. I'd use a more succinct noun that accurately describes you, but that would justifiably get me banned.

Only 50 percent of eligible folks actually vote. You’re right that we need to build a coalition. Of traditional marriage supporters, prolifers, 2nd amendment folks and border security. That along with cutting entitlement pork, and strong military will win elections.

Have you considered why only 50% of people vote? A large portion of them are low-information citizens, who don't know or care about the issues enough to vote. Another large portion don't think their vote matters, perhaps because their state or Congressional district always goes for one particular kind of candidate.

The only additional voters you are going to bring in are the ones that have felt that no candidate or party adequately represents all of their views. They don't want to vote for either the Democrat or the Republican. You aren't going to bring in those voters by doubling down on the same positions that are scaring them off.

We don’t need you, unless your willing to work with the coalition. You seem to believe that the party must change to you rather than you to the party.

Right back at you. Maybe if you were to stand in the mirror and say that to yourself over and over, you might finally understand the problem. It's you, not the libertarians.

You don't get it: the Republican Party is changing, and you are getting marginalized. And I suspect that's why you are getting so angry. You want to blame someone for your diminishing influence, and libertarians are only a convenient target.

503 posted on 08/05/2013 1:12:53 PM PDT by justlurking (tagline removed, as demanded by Admin Moderator)
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To: justlurking

“Republican Party is changing, and you are getting marginalized”

Oh. I see. So I should be happy that the republican party claims to be fiscally conservative, but at least they push dope, abortion and gay marriage, right?

That’s the direction you want to take us?


504 posted on 08/05/2013 2:08:37 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge ("we are pilgrims in an unholy land")
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To: JCBreckenridge
Let’s here you stand up to the Statists for once. Oh wait, you believe the social conservatives (and not Obama), are the enemy.

That is an asinine and groundless accusation. If you can't argue a point here without throwing out insults based on nothing, maybe you should just go back to lurking.

505 posted on 08/05/2013 4:45:22 PM PDT by BfloGuy (Keynesians take the stand that the best way to sober up is more booze.)
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To: justlurking

No, but that’s my point. Unless the libs get their way, they won’t help out anyone else who may be closer to them philosophically.


506 posted on 08/05/2013 6:13:33 PM PDT by rabidralph (Gray State Movie)
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To: BfloGuy

It’s been stated, “The republican party is in the process of changing”, and that “my distaste has to do with being pushed out.”

I daresay my instincts were spot on here, and the winging on the part of liberaltarians is that they’ve been noticed.


507 posted on 08/05/2013 6:20:15 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge ("we are pilgrims in an unholy land")
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To: rabidralph
The Republicans couldn't even get conservatives to vote for McCain. The ones that did voted for Palin, not McCain.

McCain is Democrat-lite, and it's especially apparent now. Apparently everyone but the Republican party leadership could see that.

So, explain to me how you expected libertarian-leaning voters to vote for a candidate that even conservatives despised?

508 posted on 08/05/2013 7:10:09 PM PDT by justlurking (tagline removed, as demanded by Admin Moderator)
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To: Yardstick

*If you can’t see that libertarians and liberals aren’t the same, then you’re almost not worth arguing with.*

Hardly anyone here is even capable of debate...don’t bother.


509 posted on 10/30/2013 1:29:30 PM PDT by JoeTheGeorgian
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To: Noamie

*I haven’t seen any real Libertarian bashing for almost a decade, but it’s starting to creep up. They must really fear Rand Paul.*

The two crime gangs that run the country don’t like competition.


510 posted on 10/30/2013 1:31:29 PM PDT by JoeTheGeorgian
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To: Kaslin

At least the Libertarians didn’t put up the likes of Mittens Romney on their ticket or try to howl down Cruz.


511 posted on 10/30/2013 1:42:35 PM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: JoeTheGeorgian

“The two crime gangs that run the country don’t like competition.”

That’s the money statement. Even a Republican like Cruz is finding he is hated, just like Reagan was hated by the eGOP.


512 posted on 10/30/2013 1:44:52 PM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: cdcdawg
You are already assuming quite a bit there. I actually agree with him on most issues, but he’s dedicated to spouting off things that just aren’t true. He also makes accusations that he can’t back up, and won’t admit he’s wrong, though it’s painfully obvious.

That is a out and out lie, I didn't realize that you had posted that behind my back (which says a lot about your honesty).

I would like to see something that I have EVER posted that isn't true, and /or that I can't back up.

513 posted on 04/29/2014 2:42:48 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: ansel12

1) A single leftwing social position I am promoting.

2) A single social conservative position I am attacking.

3) Anything that backs up your assertion that the public didn’t know abortion meant the baby dies prior to Roe.

You can’t do any of the three. Not a one. Pitiful.

All over again.


514 posted on 04/29/2014 4:23:52 PM PDT by cdcdawg (Be seeing you...)
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To: cdcdawg

So you won’t show me the posts you are attacking as false.


515 posted on 04/29/2014 4:40:03 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: ansel12

You accused me of promoting leftwing social positions on FR, and of attacking social conservative positions. For somewhere around the 10th time:

1) A single leftwing social position I am promoting.

2) A single social conservative position I am attacking.

3) Anything that backs up your assertion that the public didn’t know abortion meant the baby dies prior to Roe.

You can’t do any of the three. Not a one. Pitiful.


516 posted on 04/29/2014 4:48:50 PM PDT by cdcdawg (Be seeing you...)
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To: ansel12

“All this as part of your reaction to conservative efforts to end abortion. Like I said, you are dedicated to your undefined, but never ending war against social conservatism.”

Your words, ansel12. Back them up, or admit you were wrong. You and I both know you are incapable of doing either.


517 posted on 04/29/2014 4:51:50 PM PDT by cdcdawg (Be seeing you...)
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To: cdcdawg

Show me the posts.


518 posted on 04/29/2014 4:56:06 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: ansel12

“All this as part of your reaction to conservative efforts to end abortion. Like I said, you are dedicated to your undefined, but never ending war against social conservatism.”

If my “war against social conservatism” is truly “never ending” there must be some evidence of it somewhere. Or did you just shoot your mouth off?


519 posted on 04/29/2014 5:00:21 PM PDT by cdcdawg (Be seeing you...)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

“Republicans seem to like big government. Republicans seem to like illegal immigration. Republicans seem to like importing everything from Chinago”

All true. The GOP is mostly concerned with preserving their place at the table. They will do nothing to restore the constitutional republic. That is being left up to the good citizens of the country.

As enjoyable as it is to go back and forth about politics and upcoming elections the truth is that we have gone way past the ballot box.

If any erstwhile freepers can identify a probable candidate for president in 2016 that has been able to bring themselves to name even one unecessary government agency that they can bear to shutter please tell me now so I can voice my support for their campaign.


520 posted on 04/29/2014 5:05:19 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: cdcdawg

Oh, I looked at the earlier part of the thread, you were doing the usual libertarian song and dance routine and arguing against social conservatism and supporting Rand Paul.

Rand Paul: “”I think that the Republican Party, in order to get bigger, will have to agree to disagree on social issues,” Paul advised. “The Republican Party is not going to give up on having quite a few people who do believe in traditional marriage. But the Republican Party also has to find a place for young people and others who don’t want to be festooned by those issues.””

Now I recall your routine, argue against the social conservatives, push libertarianism, and pretend that you are not pushing the social liberalism of libertarianism. That is why you never responded to post 129.

To: cdcdawg
*””I haven’t heard any libertarians saying anything other than that they would have to pay for their own dope and condoms.””*

Yes you have, that they also would have to pay for their own partial birth abortions, for their own gay marriages, for their own gay adoptions and bus rides to the military enlistment depot, and to take a taxi across the border when the Border Patrol and INS have been shut down.

129 posted on 8/3/2013 9:47:42 AM by ansel12


521 posted on 04/29/2014 5:05:59 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: ansel12

Find me some libertarians who think the dope and condoms should be given to them for free. That would be an intellectually inconsistent position on their part. Many or even most libertarians would say that they should be allowed to purchase those things, should they want them, but a claim that they should be provided for “free” seems to be outside of libertarian philosophy, at least so far as it it generally understood. Within the context of my discussion with the other poster, your comment #129 made no sense at all.

You have once again evaded the question. More of your words.

“you are at freerepublic trying to persuade conservatives to move left, and embrace social liberalism.”

Proof, please. Give one example where I argued against social conservatism, or embraced social liberalism. Just one of either. I don’t argue against social conservatism, I argue with you.

So name one of these socially liberal positions I support. Come on, ansel12, just name one.


522 posted on 04/29/2014 5:26:53 PM PDT by cdcdawg (Be seeing you...)
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To: cdcdawg

You are just starting it all over again, pretending that the argument is about who pays for the drugs, and ignoring post 129 and Rand Paul on social issues.

You are saying now that you oppose the libertarian position on social issues and support the conservatives?


523 posted on 04/29/2014 5:33:23 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: ansel12

I’m not starting anything all over. I’m continuing to point out your dishonesty.

“You are saying now that you oppose the libertarian position on social issues and support the conservatives?”

That is a fundamentally dishonest question. I’m not saying that “now”. I have always disagreed with the Libertarian Party on abortion, gay marriage, and immigration (I don’t know if that really qualifies as a social issue or not), among others. Please, dazzle me by revealing the liberatarian plot behind those views.

“You are just starting it all over again, pretending that the argument is about who pays for the drugs”

That was the discussion I was having with the other poster. As usual, you had no idea what was going on. His point was that young libertarians only wanted free pot and condoms. My point was that they should be saying they would pay for them, if they were being consistent. #129 wasn’t related to any of that. I gave an accurate rendering of the dominant libertarian position on those issues, and you thought it meant I supported partial birth abortion, all sorts of gay stuff, and open borders.

“... Rand Paul on social issues”

What does this have to do with me? Libertarians hate Rand Paul for being pro life, and not wanting open borders, though he has been wishy-washy on it. I am glad Senator Paul is pro life, I wish he was much stronger on the border. Those are my basic thoughts on Rand Paul and the social issues. Is that what you thought? What were you getting at?

Name one, ansel12, just one. There’s a reason you can’t do it. You keep accusing me, and you cannot provide any proof. That should tell you something. Prove me wrong. Give one example of a leftwing social position I have supported, or a social conservative position I have attacked. I’m still waiting. You are still evading.


524 posted on 04/29/2014 6:39:55 PM PDT by cdcdawg (Be seeing you...)
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To: cdcdawg

What a bunch of wandering gibberish.

So you oppose libertarians and Rand Paul on social issues now, and agree with conservatives?


525 posted on 04/29/2014 6:42:46 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: ansel12

I’m sorry you couldn’t follow it.

Name one:

1) A single leftwing social position I am promoting.

2) A single social conservative position I am attacking.

3) Anything that backs up your assertion that the public didn’t know abortion meant the baby dies prior to Roe.

You cannot back up any of those things. Your dishonestly is appalling.


526 posted on 04/29/2014 6:55:09 PM PDT by cdcdawg (Be seeing you...)
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To: cdcdawg

So you aren’t a supporter of libertarianism and oppose them on social issues, and support the conservative positions,if that is the case then you sure weren’t giving that impression over this 500 post thread.

So you are not a libertarian, yet you went through this whole thread arguing as a libertarian, and against social conservatives.

You guys are really something, it might be why you keep posting the claim that Paul is pro-life, when that seems to a position that he has dropped.


527 posted on 04/29/2014 7:07:21 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: ansel12

If I wasn’t giving that impression, then name one:

1) A single leftwing social position I am promoting.

2) A single social conservative position I am attacking.

3) Anything that backs up your assertion that the public didn’t know abortion meant the baby dies prior to Roe.

Come on, ansel12, why won’t you do it?


528 posted on 04/29/2014 7:14:11 PM PDT by cdcdawg (Be seeing you...)
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To: cdcdawg

Your entire participation on this thread had been to argue against social conservatives, for libertarianism while avoiding the hatchet, just as you are doing now.

I hope that after these couple of weeks of revelations about Paul, you will stop defending him to conservatives, for instance, on abortion, and gay marriage, as it is, he has clearly been revealing his libertarianism, which you are trying so desperately to give the impression, that you don’t support.

So Paul is out for you.


529 posted on 04/29/2014 7:20:47 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: ansel12

If what you just said is true, you would be able to name:

1) A single leftwing social position I am promoting.

2) A single social conservative position I am attacking.

3) Anything that backs up your assertion that the public didn’t know abortion meant the baby dies prior to Roe.

Just one. If you can’t back any of that up, that makes you a ......... What does that make you?


530 posted on 04/29/2014 7:29:02 PM PDT by cdcdawg (Be seeing you...)
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