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23 Ways of Poking Fun at Libertarians
Townhall.com ^ | August 3, 2013 | Daniel J. Mitchell

Posted on 08/03/2013 6:35:31 AM PDT by Kaslin

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To: ansel12
Like I say, the Libertarian presidential candidate seemed more serious about reducing the size of government in concrete ways, like by getting it out of the healthcare business, than any of the Republicans did.

That's what appealed to me.

In his book, Harry Brown spends a little over one page on abortion. He spends an entire chapter on health care.

51 posted on 08/03/2013 8:16:35 AM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Yardstick

Liberaltarian = A liberal that likes guns but doesn’t want to pay taxes.

Beyond that there is no difference!


52 posted on 08/03/2013 8:23:28 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: Kaslin

A conservative movement that has to jettison Milton Friedman, Thomas Sowell, Walter Williams, Friedrich Hayek, Barry Goldwater and so many more. Gook luck making the case for limited government without them, assuming making such a case is even important anymore.


53 posted on 08/03/2013 8:24:36 AM PDT by cdcdawg (Be seeing you...)
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To: Yardstick

Since you didn’t care about the abortion, homosexual agenda, open borders and conservatism, you supported the libertarians, I wouldn’t do that.

By the way, the libertarian agenda leads to the opposite economic effects that you desire, their social agenda and opening the border, creates more democrat voters, more anti conservative voters, more democrat voters voting for democrat economics.


54 posted on 08/03/2013 8:24:50 AM PDT by ansel12 ( The difference between libertarianism and conservatism is the libertarian liberalism, not economics)
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To: MrEdd
There will be no negotiations on core social issues.

And this is why you are destined for oblivion.

Have a nice day.

55 posted on 08/03/2013 8:30:21 AM PDT by justlurking (tagline removed, as demanded by Admin Moderator)
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To: justlurking

And you assume a tide of Libertarian politicians is about to sweep the land?

Destined for oblivion? Conservatism may indeed be headed that way. But you’ve already arrived.


56 posted on 08/03/2013 8:32:31 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (21st century. I'm not a fan.)
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To: ansel12

The Republican Party is completely finished. I see the Tea Party movement gaining steam. Libertarians will start gravitating in that direction, siphoning votes from the stupid party. I believe most Republicans will stay affiliated with the GOP, and the split between libertarianism and conservatism will be complete. No one stays where they’re not wanted with the exception of most conservative Republican voters. The libertarians will start leaving shortly....


57 posted on 08/03/2013 8:32:34 AM PDT by freebilly (Creepy and the Ass Crackers....)
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To: TennTuxedo

I agree with u. But what holds us together


58 posted on 08/03/2013 8:33:22 AM PDT by ncpatriot
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To: justlurking
Conservatives have no common ground with the left. You can pick almost any issue, and there will be no agreement.

Yet libertarians and the left share much, conservatism is your enemy, something that you both desire to defeat and overcome.

59 posted on 08/03/2013 8:34:08 AM PDT by ansel12 ( The difference between libertarianism and conservatism is the libertarian liberalism, not economics)
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To: MrEdd

The Constitution provides for liberty. It is up to the culture to provide morality.


60 posted on 08/03/2013 8:34:09 AM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: ClearCase_guy
And you assume a tide of Libertarian politicians is about to sweep the land?

I think you must have missed the memo, but the Tea Party was started on libertarian economic principles. Without them, the Democrats would still control the House.

61 posted on 08/03/2013 8:35:11 AM PDT by justlurking (tagline removed, as demanded by Admin Moderator)
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To: freebilly

The tea party’s largest group is social conservatives.

The libertarians and the left fight for the same America except that libertarians desire conservative economics, the problem is that you can’t get there by creating more democrat voters with your libertarian social liberalism.

Social liberalism leads to liberal voters, liberal voters do not vote for conservative economic policies.


62 posted on 08/03/2013 8:38:19 AM PDT by ansel12 ( The difference between libertarianism and conservatism is the libertarian liberalism, not economics)
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To: allendale

Why haven’t I heard of Dan Mitchell before? His web site is loaded with great information.


63 posted on 08/03/2013 8:39:13 AM PDT by Dudoight
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To: Yardstick
You’re using small “l” libertarianism in an unconventional way.

I don't want to pick a nit, and I would say that the concepts are much more important than the word choices, but I do not think I am using this in an unconventional way.

I have two shelves of books devoted to Anarchism. It was, at one point, a great passion of mine. The Europeans have traditionally seen liberalism as a small government position -- the Libertarian Party of the USA has (to a large extent) a the philosophy of classical liberalism. The Europeans would further say that Anarchist take a libertarian position which is a bit more extreme than a "small government" philosophy.

That's the traditional use of the terms. As I said earlier, times change and these terms morph a little as people try to finagle their positions and appeal to the masses.

64 posted on 08/03/2013 8:39:45 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (21st century. I'm not a fan.)
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To: ansel12

Ironically, while the conservatives and libertarians snarl at each other on this thread, our elected officials do nothing to represent either of their interests. Methinks the blame and anger is juvenile and misplaced....


65 posted on 08/03/2013 8:39:45 AM PDT by freebilly (Creepy and the Ass Crackers....)
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To: freebilly

“The libertarians will start leaving shortly...”

<-———The door you’re looking for is over there to the left.


66 posted on 08/03/2013 8:41:49 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: Kaslin

i think there should be a new rule at free republic for all threads in which libertarianism or the libertarian party is discussed. can anyone guess what i’m going to propose? actually, there’s no reason for a rule, since so many already do it. this is painful to do. i feel like all of my elementary school teachers are frowning at me. how do people live like this?


67 posted on 08/03/2013 8:42:03 AM PDT by cdcdawg (Be seeing you...)
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To: ansel12

So your belief is that libertarians should leave the Republican Party and The Tea Party because they are really nothing but liberal Democrats...?


68 posted on 08/03/2013 8:42:11 AM PDT by freebilly (Creepy and the Ass Crackers....)
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To: freebilly

Absolutely true. We have two major parties and they both support big government and less freedom. One might say “this party is better than that party”, but neither party is supporting the ideals upon which this site is focused.


69 posted on 08/03/2013 8:42:25 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (21st century. I'm not a fan.)
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To: justlurking

New Poll: Tea Party Overwhelmingly Christian And Socially Conservative.
by JJ SUTHERLAND
October 05, 2010 3:07 PM
A new poll is out today from the Public Religion Research Institute. It covers a lot of ground, and I encourage you to go read the whole thing, but a few things popped out at me.

Mainly I was fascinated by the questions on the makeup of the Tea Party Movement, it’s the first research I’ve seen that really delves into how the members of the movement view themselves. Letting people tell you the stories they tell about themselves to themselves is usually the best route to understanding where they’re coming from.

So, first, it’s an overwhelmingly Christian group. 81% identify as Christian, and nearly half (47%) say they are part of the religious right or conservative Christian movement.

Secondly, it isn’t libertarian, it’s much more socially conservative, with 63% saying abortion should be illegal and only 18% in favor of gay marriage.


70 posted on 08/03/2013 8:42:29 AM PDT by ansel12 ( The difference between libertarianism and conservatism is the libertarian liberalism, not economics)
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To: Beagle8U

What makes you think I’m a libertarian?


71 posted on 08/03/2013 8:43:19 AM PDT by freebilly (Creepy and the Ass Crackers....)
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To: ansel12
Yet libertarians and the left share much, conservatism is your enemy, something that you both desire to defeat and overcome.

Don't confuse me with the libertarians. I'm an independent.

Yes, the left and libertarians agree on many things. But they also disagree on many things, and the biggest disagreement (size and power of government) will prevent them from ever working together.

The absolutists in both groups (libertarians and conservatives) undermine themselves: they are too busy fighting each other to band together and defeat the left on issues on economic and civil liberty issues.

Meanwhile, the left is able to set aside their differences and build a coalition that puts them in power to defeat conservatives on all the issues. They do it largely by demonizing conservatives over hot button issues that affect few people, but convinces them to vote against their economic self-interest.

72 posted on 08/03/2013 8:43:50 AM PDT by justlurking (tagline removed, as demanded by Admin Moderator)
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To: Kaslin
Laugh all you want - then just try winning another national election without us.

It's a repeat of the GOP Master Strategy that lost California.

73 posted on 08/03/2013 8:43:53 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves (CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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To: JCBreckenridge
Apparently Rand Paul acolytes equate conservativism with libertinism. The two are not the same.

Um, Rand Paul is no libertine.

74 posted on 08/03/2013 8:44:55 AM PDT by BfloGuy (Keynesians take the stand that the best way to sober up is more booze.)
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To: freebilly

If you support abortion, the homosexual agenda, open borders, the rest of the radical leftism of the libertarian war against God and America, then get thee gone brother.


75 posted on 08/03/2013 8:45:03 AM PDT by ansel12 ( The difference between libertarianism and conservatism is the libertarian liberalism, not economics)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Exactly....


76 posted on 08/03/2013 8:46:31 AM PDT by freebilly (Creepy and the Ass Crackers....)
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To: justlurking

All are destined for death.
No exceptions.
After that comes the judgement.


77 posted on 08/03/2013 8:46:51 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Mr. Jeeves

What did that mean, what do you think lost California?


78 posted on 08/03/2013 8:46:56 AM PDT by ansel12 ( The difference between libertarianism and conservatism is the libertarian liberalism, not economics)
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To: freebilly

You said the liberaltarians would be leaving the party, I just pointed them/you to the door on the left.


79 posted on 08/03/2013 8:47:15 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: gorush

Good point, and that’s why the outlook is not good, regardless of the direction of the GOP. The culture is dying, or has died. The obvious and easy solution is to grasp at governmental power to try to fix it, or at least hold things steady. I don’t see that working. The culture didn’t degrade because the government allowed gay marriage, the government allowed gay marriage because the culture is diseased. I think it all has to get a lot worse before it gets better. Cheers!


80 posted on 08/03/2013 8:47:26 AM PDT by cdcdawg (Be seeing you...)
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To: BfloGuy

Oh. I see. So why then did he attack DOMA and constitutional protections for traditional marriage?


81 posted on 08/03/2013 8:49:14 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge ("we are pilgrims in an unholy land")
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To: ansel12

I support none of that, but let me ask you a question: Why do your ELECTED GOP officials support those issues, and why do you vote them into office?


82 posted on 08/03/2013 8:49:33 AM PDT by freebilly (Creepy and the Ass Crackers....)
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To: justlurking

“prevent them from ever working together.”

Horse****. Libertarians hate social conservatives more than they hate statism. We see it over and over again. They always side with the statists.


83 posted on 08/03/2013 8:50:48 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge ("we are pilgrims in an unholy land")
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To: justlurking
Yes, the left and libertarians agree on many things. But they also disagree on many things, and the biggest disagreement (size and power of government) will prevent them from ever working together.

Libertarians are the left who support conservative economics, so their role when they show up among conservatives, is to turn them into liberals, while keeping their economic conservatism.

The problem is that libertarianism breeds liberal voters, not conservative voters.

84 posted on 08/03/2013 8:52:10 AM PDT by ansel12 ( The difference between libertarianism and conservatism is the libertarian liberalism, not economics)
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To: Beagle8U
Let me ask you a question: Why do your ELECTED GOP officials support abortion, gay rights, illegal immigration, Obamacare, trillion dollar debt, an out of control IRS, and out of control NSA, etc, and why do you vote them into office?

Get back to me about how the one "Libertarian" in the Senate is destroying the country....

85 posted on 08/03/2013 8:53:39 AM PDT by freebilly (Creepy and the Ass Crackers....)
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To: freebilly

You already asked me a question.

“”So your belief is that libertarians should leave the Republican Party and The Tea Party because they are really nothing but liberal Democrats...?””

If you are against social conservatism, then get the heck away.


86 posted on 08/03/2013 8:55:20 AM PDT by ansel12 ( The difference between libertarianism and conservatism is the libertarian liberalism, not economics)
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To: Beagle8U

There’s a pretty easy way to differentiate between a liberal and a libertarian. Go through these issues with a person:

1) Gun control.
2) Eliminating the Departments of Education, Commerce, and Transportation, HUD, the NEA, and the EPA.
3) Flat tax.
4) Eliminating all affirmative action programs.
5) Eliminating the minimum wage.
6) Overturning Roe v. Wade.
7) Term limits.

Those topics should tell you pretty quickly whether or not you are dealing with a liberal. I don’t see how any libertarian or conservative could possible see things the same as a liberal on those points. Conservative vs. libertarian vs. Libertarian will take a few more questions.


87 posted on 08/03/2013 8:57:27 AM PDT by cdcdawg (Be seeing you...)
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To: freebilly; Beagle8U

Rinos are embracing libertarianism, the number one indicator of a coming rino, of a poser who will crumble, is if they are libertarian on social issues.


88 posted on 08/03/2013 8:58:34 AM PDT by ansel12 ( The difference between libertarianism and conservatism is the libertarian liberalism, not economics)
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To: ClearCase_guy

“I consider Libertarians to BE the Left.”

We think much the same of you. Have fun trying to win elections without us. Or better yet when we split the vote in 3 way contests.

Schmuck.


89 posted on 08/03/2013 8:58:53 AM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: ansel12
OK, if I'm against social conservatism I'll leave.

So why do your ELECTED GOP officials support illegal immigration, the homosexual agenda, abortion, Obamacare, illegal surveillance of citizens, an out of control IRS, and trillion dollar debts, and why do you vote them into office?

90 posted on 08/03/2013 9:00:03 AM PDT by freebilly (Creepy and the Ass Crackers....)
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To: Kaslin

eh.

I’d take a reasonable libertarian over:

1 RINO
2 Zero, Hildabeast, Ragel, etc.

No contest. Though we disagree on some issues, there is more overlap than with RINOs who represent the Central Party.


91 posted on 08/03/2013 9:00:16 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws - Tacituss)
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To: freebilly

“Why do your ELECTED GOP officials support abortion, gay rights, illegal immigration, Obamacare, trillion dollar debt, an out of control IRS, and out of control NSA, etc, and why do you vote them into office?”

Mine don’t! Tim Walberg is the only Republican I voted into office.


92 posted on 08/03/2013 9:00:42 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: cdcdawg

There’s a pretty easy way to differentiate between a conservative and a libertarian. Go through these issues with a person:

Libertarian Party Platform:

Throw open the borders completely; only a rare individual (terrorist, disease carrier etc.) can be kept from freedom of movement through “political boundaries”, eliminate the Border Patrol and INS.

Homosexuals; total freedom in the military, gay marriage, adoption, child custody and everything else.

Abortion; zero restrictions or impediments full 9 months.

Pornography; no restraint, no restrictions.

Drugs; Meth, Heroin, Crack, and anything new that science and marketers can come up with, zero restrictions.

Advertising those drugs, prostitution, and pornography; zero restrictions.

Military Strength; minimal capabilities.


93 posted on 08/03/2013 9:00:59 AM PDT by ansel12 ( The difference between libertarianism and conservatism is the libertarian liberalism, not economics)
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To: JCBreckenridge
Libertarians hate social conservatives more than they hate statism. We see it over and over again.

Has it ever occurred to you that the reason libertarians hate you more than they hate statism is because the way you treat them? Are you so sure it is because of policy disagreements, or is it because you are such an ass?

They always side with the statists.

I doubt that. As an example, I'll use the recent vote in the House to defund the NSA's indiscriminate data collection. It was authored by Justin Amash, considered one of the "libertarian Republicans" in the House. Do you think warrantless collection of vast amounts of data on people not suspected of any crime isn't "statist"?

In all fairness, the leadership of both parties, and Obama, came out against the bill, and in the end enough of the "establishment" politicians from both parties voted against it to kill it. So, it was really a "bipartisan" defeat.

94 posted on 08/03/2013 9:02:35 AM PDT by justlurking (tagline removed, as demanded by Admin Moderator)
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To: freebilly

I told you why in post 88.

Rinos are embracing libertarianism, the number one indicator of a coming rino, of a poser who will crumble, is if they are libertarian on social issues.

I’ve never been a republican, but I would sure never be so far left that I could be an anti-God, anti-America, libertarian.


95 posted on 08/03/2013 9:04:07 AM PDT by ansel12 ( The difference between libertarianism and conservatism is the libertarian liberalism, not economics)
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To: Beagle8U

Walberg is a good man. He’s completely ineffective as a House Republican, but he does vote his constituent’s wishes....


96 posted on 08/03/2013 9:06:55 AM PDT by freebilly (Creepy and the Ass Crackers....)
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To: ansel12

“The problem is that libertarianism breeds liberal voters, not conservative voters.”

Can you support that statement?

Also, there’s not really anything called “conservative economics”. Classical Liberalism, sure. Libertarian Economics, sure. Austrian or Chicago School Economics, sure. Your supposed hero was an admitted acolyte of “fusionism”, which relies on what he called “libertarianism”. “Conservative economics” is a misnomer.


97 posted on 08/03/2013 9:06:57 AM PDT by cdcdawg (Be seeing you...)
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To: Kaslin

Yes, very funny. Just like how funny those last few elections have been for you guys after you told us to get lost and then we had the temerity to not stick around on election day. Very, very funny! You know what’s going to be funnier...? Watching you guys keep talking trash to us for the next couple years and then seeing your reaction when hillary is in the white house. Oh, the funny writes itself!


98 posted on 08/03/2013 9:07:30 AM PDT by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: cdcdawg

Give a Liberaltarian a big sack of dope to smoke with his queer boyfriend and he would vote for Karl Marx.


99 posted on 08/03/2013 9:08:05 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: ansel12

So, given those issues, is Rand Paul a libertarian?


100 posted on 08/03/2013 9:08:48 AM PDT by cdcdawg (Be seeing you...)
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