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Sunday Morning Talk Show Thread 4 August 2013
Various driveby media television networks ^ | Various Self-Serving Politicians and Big Media Screaming Faces

Posted on 08/04/2013 5:25:22 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!

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Broken means not in working order. Whatever laws have been in force for the past thirty years, have not been enforced properly, thus Not Working:Broken. Just like anything else that is broken, there are two choices: fix it or replace it. (Doing without, is not an option in this case. Our country has an obligation to control immigration.)

My comments to you have nothing to do in reference to the names of politicians that you cite. I have endorsed none of the proposed new laws. Every year I have wanted Congress to insist that our borders, and our visa over-stayers be monitored . Why do they not do that!

Vulnerable: people with something to lose, who will buckle to bureaucratic pressure.
For example: police set up radar traps on a Saturday morning on a stretch of road so safe that they can walk out in front of their car to wave down the “speeding” motorist. But they seem incapable of stopping real crime or crazy drivers.

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INS incapable of stopping organized fraud as they send ‘refund’ checks to fake bank accounts to the tune of billions of dollars, while they have dozens of lawyers harassing citizens applying for a tax-exempt status if their organization seems to be anti-statist.


151 posted on 08/07/2013 4:15:28 AM PDT by maica (Welcome to post-rational America.)
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152 posted on 08/07/2013 8:25:41 AM PDT by RedMDer (http://www.dontfundobamacare.com/)
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Broken means not in working order. Whatever laws have been in force for the past thirty years, have not been enforced properly, thus Not Working:Broken. Just like anything else that is broken, there are two choices: fix it or replace it. (Doing without, is not an option in this case. Our country has an obligation to control immigration.)

Pure sophistry. When the immigration laws are not enforced by the Executive Branch, which is sworn to do so, we don't have a broken laws that need to be fixed or replaced. What we really have is an impeachable offense and a supine Congress that refuses to anything about it.

My comments to you have nothing to do in reference to the names of politicians that you cite. I have endorsed none of the proposed new laws. Every year I have wanted Congress to insist that our borders, and our visa over-stayers be monitored . Why do they not do that!

Congress passed overwhelmingly the 2006 Secure Fence act, which was signed onto by Obama and Hillary. We also passed the 1996 US-VISIT Act that was supposed to track and deport visa overstays. Should these laws be replaced or enforced? I guess you would say they are broken.

INS incapable of stopping organized fraud as they send ‘refund’ checks to fake bank accounts to the tune of billions of dollars, while they have dozens of lawyers harassing citizens applying for a tax-exempt status if their organization seems to be anti-statist.

INS doesn't exist anymore--at least under that name. INS ceased to exist in 2003. Most of its functions were transferred from the Department of Justice to three new entities – U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS), U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), and U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) – within the newly created Department of Homeland Security, as part of a major government reorganization following the September 11 attacks of 2001.

IRS is the appropriate agency for collecting over-payments and fraud. The IRS AG has documented that over $4 billion a year are being sent to illegal aliens who file for EITC payments using ITINs. They even claim payment for dependent children living in Mexico. Again, this is primarily a matter of law enforcement. If you don't hold the people accountable for this enforcement of the law, then you get this result. Ultimately the American people are at fault because they keep on electing these same politicians who flaunt our laws.

Vulnerable: people with something to lose, who will buckle to bureaucratic pressure. For example: police set up radar traps on a Saturday morning on a stretch of road so safe that they can walk out in front of their car to wave down the “speeding” motorist. But they seem incapable of stopping real crime or crazy drivers.

Let's get back to immigration enforcement. The problem does not lie with the career government employees who want to enforce our laws. The problem is that there political betters will not allow them to do so. As someone who spent 36 years working for the government, I found it incredible that over 7,000 border patrol personnel approved unanimously a vote of no confidence against the ICE director and his deputy. This is unprecedented, but it doesn't seem to make anyone's radar.

I profoundly disagree with your proposition that harassment of "vulnerable" immigrants is going on. I know and talk to immigration officials and border patrol agents. They are angry and frustrated because they are not being allowed to do their job in accordance with the laws of the land.

PS: What is your definition of amnesty? You live in a sanctuary state (Maryland) that is being bankrupted by immigration. Do the laws need to be fixed or replaced?

153 posted on 08/07/2013 9:38:52 AM PDT by kabar
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