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Posted on 08/04/2013 5:25:22 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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The overall size of the working-age native-born population increased by 16.4 million from 2000 to 2013, yet the number of natives actually holding a job was 1.3 million lower in 2013 than 2000.
The total number of working-age immigrants (legal and illegal) increased 8.8 million and the number working rose 5.3 million between 2000 and 2013.
Good morning Cousin Mike.....
Got a question for you, you might have some input.
So we “discover” this past week that there was a bunch of CIA operatives at the Libyan consulate (or near by) but I wasn’t surprised.
I’d heard, of course, that there were a bout 30 “embassy employees” at the consulate, or its annex, the night of the attack but it was hardly any kind of secret, except perhaps to ABCNBCCBSWAPONYT- that there was some kind of CIA operation going on.
Scuttlebutt is that there was an arms-running operation going on, sending arms to Syrian rebels, that sort of thing.
Which is exactly what I think is going on and my query is two fold.
First, all my life I recall hearing whispers or inuendos that some president or another was involved with running some sort of gun-running operation.
I am reminded quickly of Reagan and the Iran-Contra affair but through the years it’s always out there.
So running arms to Syrian rebels, what was wrong with that?
NO WAIT MIKE! Let me tell you my thoughts and you correct me where I am wrong.
Oh, and YOU cousin Mike, have a HUGE part in an upcoming chapter of my book, actually the character based on you steps up to become the new temporary President.
But I digress.
First, the CIA always seems to be involved in this sort of thing but I’ve no doubt the President always knows about it.
Isn’t the concept of arming the enemy of our enemies a good one? Except, of course, the fact that our elected legislators have no say in the matter and it’s kind of a dangerous thing to hang on the head of one human being.
And of course, wouldn’t those 30 CIA operatives be expected to keep their identities secret, maybe change their identity?
I don’t much like Obama, but of course, but on this arms to Syrian rebels I’m not sure this country wasn’t involved in the sort of thing we’ve been involved with through the ages.
What say you?
Yes, in the case of Benghazi he claims when the call came in he immediately gave the order to do everything possible, yet we know it was a half-hour into the 5 oclock meeting with Panetta before they decided which option to pursue, which is 1 hour and 40 minutes after what must have been a frantic call to Washington from a guard who had seen the attackers breaching the compound with machine guns. Just what before and after that meeting was going on? And why couldnt Panetta get any results to assist after the decision was made?
I know it sounds like tin-foil-on-head type thing, but what else explains the stand down orders and the basic air of neglect in DC that night—??
The thing went bad when a second, more bloodthirsty group of jihadis got into the act and killed Stevens. This happened in the past when al Qaeda ops were undercut by yet-more crazy terror groups. If you ever read up on WHY bin Laden refused an al Qaeda franchise to groups like GIA in Algeria you can get the gist of how the Benghazi kidnapping turned into a complete fiasco.
I’m not often comfortable in a tin foil hat but I’m wearing this one until otherwise notified.
Somehow Schmuckey sneaked into my TV set as I was talking to my better half.
He was talking to incontinent Bob about Putin, stating that he was an old KGB officer and he wanted to build it up, but was not going about it the right way. Shumah stated that should be building up the economy and creating jobs.
I stopped talking to my wife and yelled at the TV “The same thing is true of Obama, you MORON!”
Paul Ryan now up with the Octo.
I dont much like Obama, but of course, but on this arms to Syrian rebels Im not sure this country wasnt involved in the sort of thing weve been involved with through the ages.
What say you?
- Detective Inspector Harry Callahan
IB asking Ryan about “immigration” (GOP should reject the premise that immigration needs reform)
Ryan says House rejects the Senate bill.
Secure border first, legal permit, no special pathway. If they want citizenship, they go the back of the line after legal immigrants.
Rush “nailed” the current state of the Republican Party and the split between conservatives and RINO’s. He squelched the idea of a third party as being a guarantee of RAT dominance for eternity. When asked by Greta who he admired in politics he mentioned Ted Cruz and Sarah Palin. Most interesting of all was Rush’s take on Obama and his “Limbaugh Theorem”. He claims that Obama remains in a campaign mode blaming the Nation’s problems (his policies) on the Republicans.
During the interview with Greta, Limbaugh stated that Obama has lost over 9 million jobs on his watch.
Don't doubt it at all. Just wish I could document it better,any suggestions?
Well PB, you did throw back a debatable point to me right quick, didn’t you?
Which is that it’s not a good idea to encourage this sort of thing as we have a congress elected by the people for a reason.
If we want the enemies of our enemies to have more arms, bring it out to the light of day, let use debate the strategy.
Perhaps that’s an over-simplification and here’s my alumunim hat suggestion....
I for sure am convinced that Obama will give money, arms, gold, whatever, to whoever sends the most back to him and his power base (I call it the CBC, your knowledge might vary).
I would not be one bit surprised if those arms weren’t going to somewhere that might not be as appetizing as the Syrian rebels, maybe right into the hands of Al Queda operatives.
We need to shine the light of investigation into this whole phony scandal.
Since 1965, our immigration policies have engendered one of the greatest mass migrations of people in the shortest period of time in human history. The U.S. adds one international migrant (net) every 44 seconds. Immigrants account for one in 8 U.S. residents, the highest level in almost 90 years. In 1970 it was one in 21. In less than a decade, it will be one in 7, the highest it has been in our history.
The nation’s immigrant population (legal and illegal) reached a record-setting 40 million in 2010. If the foreign-born population were a nation, it would be the 33rd largest in the world, just behind Argentina and ahead of Poland. The U.S. immigrant population has quadrupled since 1970, when it stood at 9.7 million. Of the 40 million immigrants in the country in 2010, 13.9 million arrived in 2000 or later making it the highest decade of immigration in American history, even though there was a net loss of jobs during the same period. Our pro-population growth immigration policies have fueled more than three-quarters of our population increase from 203 million in 1970 to 316 million today. The U.S. population will increase another estimated 105 million by 2060 to 420 million.
Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/08/mass_immigration_versus_the_rights_of_american_workers.html#ixzz2b0s40WTT
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Powerful stuff here kabar,brilliant piece way to go.
“This week” is going round the table on wiener.
Wow. Tells us who’s working and who is not (cannot/won’t), in America.
There’s a current thread up here discussing a report that Benghazi leads back to Iran, NOT alkida, and also one purporting that the CIA moved missiles out of Libya to Syria.
So running arms to Syrian rebels, what was wrong with that?
There is nothing wrong with it per se, but we are supposed to be a nation of laws. The President and the Executive Branch do run our foreign policy, but there are limits under our Constitution. Congress does have a say in the matter and should be consulted (publicly or privately) before we send arms to anyone.
And of course, wouldnt those 30 CIA operatives be expected to keep their identities secret, maybe change their identity?
Yes, many can and do keep their identities secret including changing names. That said, in many countries, the CIA Chief of Station discloses his identity to the host government.
The problematic part of all of this is whether these changes are being made to hide the facts from Congress on what they were doing in Benghazi and what happened the night of the attack. Congress should be allowed to interview them without necessarily requiring them to disclose their personal identity. As far as secrets are concerned, key members of the intelligence committees could do the interviewing, without staffers if that is a problem.
We have a system of checks and balances. The branches of government are supposed to be co-equal. Over the years, the Executive Branch has accreted far too much power. And in the case of Obama, he has gone far beyond what a President should be allowed to do. IMO he has committed impeachable offenses. Congress has been derelict in limiting the Executive Branch. Fast and Furious, the IRS scandal, NSA overreach, a backdoor amnesty, etc. are abominations. The WH is covering up and stonewalling any attempts to get at the truth. I consider Benghazi to be part of the same trend. And we have a MSM that is complicit in the cover-up.
read the whole article.....I personally read every post but it gets juicy and informative from post 50 ish out
Translation: Ryan supports amnesty. He is using the same language McCain used for his amnesty bill in 2007.
Any legislation that allows the lawbreakers to stay and work here, the object of their crime, is amnesty. Citizenship is just the cherry on top. And the back of the line is in their home country, not here.
Ryan is no better than Rubio.
If we were not so dependent on ME oil we would not have to be involved with their religious politics. Why do you think the environmentalists are so well funded by the Saudis?
Pray for America to Wake Up
Benghazi gets tougher to follow the more we learn.
Here is part of a post I made over at Hot Air earlier. There is so much going on with that story its difficult to say with any precision what did actually happen. All you can do is recite much of what you read and then put down what seems to make sense.
“The big question besides where was zero and what was he doing with whom when all this went down is who actually hired Ansar al Sharia to do the dirty work and why.
Initially, it was thought that Ansar al Sharia was hired by Morsi(remember the story of dont shoot us Dr.Morsi sent us) under the direction of zero (who bribed Morsi with 8 billion of our bucks and now owns lock, stock, etc.) to trade the blind sheik for Stevens.
It all went wrong and supposedly Stevens died from smoke inhalation.
Theres a wide variety of stories about how he died from hot shots to a sodomized body to who knows.And no no one will know since his body, as that of Breitbart/Hastings, were all burnt up and turned into ashes that dont tell us any stories. A pattern begins to emerge.
One of the questions is if Stevens was given a lethal injection in several places of his body that an autopsy couldnt pickup who did it and why.Its not terror type style but sure could be covert op style,if you get my drift.And recently we learned that there were 35 CIA types at Benghazi during the raid sooooo ..
Recently, its been suggested that Iran,Russia and Syria were behind Benghazi to stem the shipping of arms that was going on there.
If I had the money I would hire a true journalist to get to the bottom of what really happened.”
rodguy911 on August 4, 2013 at 10:23 AM
MOre “conservative” than tin foil Bob.
International migration is projected to surpass natural increase (births minus deaths) as the principal driver of U.S. population growth by the middle of this century, according to three new series of population projections released today by the U.S. Census Bureau. This scenario would mark the first time that natural increase was not the leading cause of population increase since at least 1850, when the census began collecting information about residents' country of birth. The shift in what drives U.S. population growth is projected to occur between 2027 and 2038, depending on the future level of international migration.
Immigrants will work for less money and have fewer options. All the new jobs are going to immigrants and the vast majority of those jobs are low skilled ones. If the McRubio-Schumer amnesty bill passes, we will bring in 33 million legal immigrants over the next ten years, which is more than we brought in over the previous 40 years. With 22 million Americans underemployed or unemployed, why are we doing this?
It’s best to know the chain of custody of the Benghazi phone call information and just exactly what they are doing. The Situation room receiving a frantic call from a guard who seen the attackers breaching the compound with machine guns and the claim of doing something ‘immediately’ diverge. Why is there any delay in the response? And who is responsible for that delay?
We’ve got a bunch of idiot media who can’t figure out to ask, the phone call comes in at 3:42, and yet Panetta has no idea what he is supposed to do until 5:30? Who sat on that info and did nothing for that long?
It is amnesty with or without a path to citizenship.
Due to the US unemployment crisis, my extreme positions on the alien invaders are:
1) A million a month go back, frig their circumstances.
2) Put a handsome bounty on them.
3) Employers face huge penalties for hiring scofflaw foreign nationals.
4) Semi-skilled jobs are returned to qualified US citizens, the unskilled jobs will be assigned to able-bodied "entitlement" parasites in return for their "benefits".
Regarding actual immigration reform:
1) Ska-rew family relationship immigration.
2) Allow only high-skilled or technical positions such as doctors and scientists.
Cloward-PIven destroy capitalsim, install communism.
Hiya AG....always love your quirky presence amongst us.
....read the thread and the article linked.
Hmmmmm. Don’t know what to say but will have to mull around for a bit.
Not sure what your Trayvon comment as relates to OBama means. Obama lived like Trayvon you say?
....yeah, that comment was a sour note in the Rush interview.
I want to say....the longest journey in the world starts with a single step.
Some day, soon, unless the idealogy of the current Blue Blood GOP changes, we got to leave them.
Rush....he’s wrong on this.
I know he’s seldom wrong...the 97.2% thing, but he’s wrong on this.
Let those elected guys pass an immigration bill and see how quick a third party springs up in this country.
I believe this.
I’m probably wrong, but I still believe it.
OReilly Factor has been talking about improving conditions for poor black Americans for a week, but interesting enough he has on a gentleman who claims the lack of jobs are one reason things are so bad, unfortunately OReilly doesnt follow-up...
Oil is fungible. The US can become energy independent, but oil will remain vital to the global economy regardless. The ME, the greatest exporter of oil, will remain an extremely important region of the world for our strategic national interests.
I am all in favor of energy independence, which help our economy and balance of payments. It will also enhance national security. But it will not lessen our involvement in the ME.
Yuri taught them well.
And the fact that Blacks fall for this is beyond sad. All Blacks care about is the color of Obama’s skin...nothing more.
Obama has nothing even remotely in common with blacks other than the color of his skin. Obama in fact has more in common with whites. Truth be told, Obama loathes blacks to the core. He is destroying them, and yet they cheer him on because of his skin color, and he can talk schuck & jive at black churches and NAACP meetings. I have no pity for blacks anymore. They have chosen to be forever victims. Let them wallow in the misery they've chosen.
And if they ‘go the back of the line after legal immigrants’ whose to say those in line don’t get citizenship immediately? And then all those illegal entrants can get theirs too.
There should be no citizenship granted for any illegal entry or overstayed-VISA into this country.
After I posted my commentary about Rush and a 3rd party, I should have added:
What is the definition of insanity? Doing the same thing, but expecting a different result.
Dole, McCain, Romney. Which would have moved the party toward the conservatives?
JBush, Christie, Rubio, Ryan. Which would move the party toward the conservatives?
I see the responses as None and None.
A conservative might long-shot slip in and win the primaries, but even if they did, they would be shackled by the GOPelites into naming a centrist/moderate as the VP. [Déjà vu]
Me neither...closed captioning.
about the Trayvon / Obarry simulars
read post 65 then post 75....it’s very clear
Don’t doubt it at all. Just wish I could document it better,any suggestions?
Read the Mitrokin files (KGB archives) and Red Horizons by Pacepa. Look at how the KGB created the legends of lies that made Arafat a “Palestinian” or how they created “atrocities” in Vietnam with the Winter Soldier active measure (with a Big Assist from John Kerry).
The Brotherhood was really borne of these tactics and techniques going all the way back to the anti-semetism of Hitler and even the Protocols of the Elders of Zion as crafted by the czar’s intel shop.
Ayman al Zawahiri runs al Qaeda today but served Andropov when he helped the Brothers kill Sadat (for 2 million dollars) before Carlos could.
People who have read Zawaheri’s captured memos have pretty much concluded he is a communist at heart (a pretend Muslim), unlike bin Laden (who operated more like a venture capitalist).
The creation of the “Palestinian movement” at Moscow Centre in the 1960s and 70s is the blueprint that still serves best in understanding what is going on today.
Even today’s Democrat party is seemingly an offspring of Andropov’s basic concept of how to convert America via incremental influence (Mao’s “long march” as adopted from Gramsci) and cults of personality (Obama!). Andropov used to chortle about what suckers Americans were for celebrities.
It is documented somewhere that in the 1970s Castro told Bernadine Dohrn to stop bombing police stations or the Pentagon and find a respectable black candidate for president who could “shame guilty white Americans” into voting for him. It’s documented that she came back from Cuba obsessed with finding a black president. (It’s online somewhere as part of the FBI surveillance reports on Dohrn. It’s a PDF.)
It took two decades but the discovery of Obama by Dohrn and Ayers is easily seen as a post-modern variation on the creation of Arafat by Moscow Centre in the 1960s.
There’s just way too much symmetry between the KGB of lore and today’s Arab terrorist groups and the far leftist groups (like the Democrats) that dominate western nations. It’s as if they all studied under the same master. And if it looks like a duck...
(Google Pacepa’s online articles and go from there. Everything the man has written is gold.)
Obie has always been about escaping from his real responsibilities of CIC.
Golf is but one of the ways he escapes. But in Obie's twisted little mind I think be really believes he is sticking his eye in whitey's eyes when the see a "black" man invading the white man's domain. (Yes, he is that twisted.)
It can’t be sustained. The politicians know that. There main objective is to keep kicking the can down the road. The only problem is that we are running out of road.
I agree. No one who broke our laws should be given citizenship or allowed to stay and work here. Unfortunately, the RINO’s and their Dem allies are preparing to shove this down our throats, which will destroy this country. Amnesty is forever.
Maybe so, but if we have all this oil, why can't we put a tariff on imported petroleum and get rid of the income tax?
We need to return to the days of cheap abundant energy for the American people.
Heads up Larri.
Who pays the tariff? And if we were energy independent, why would we be importing oil? Remember, the customer always pays for any taxes levied on the producer of goods and services. The costs of doing business are passed on to the buyer.