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Other Agencies Clamor for Data N.S.A. Compiles
NY Times ^ | August 3, 2013 | ERIC LICHTBLAU and MICHAEL S. SCHMIDT

Posted on 08/04/2013 6:42:40 AM PDT by bamahead

WASHINGTON — The National Security Agency’s dominant role as the nation’s spy warehouse has spurred frequent tensions and turf fights with other federal intelligence agencies that want to use its surveillance tools for their own investigations, officials say.

-SNIP-

“The other agencies feel they should be bigger players,” said Mr. Edgar, who heard many of the disputes before leaving government this year to become a visiting fellow at Brown University. “They view the N.S.A. — incorrectly, I think — as this big pot of data that they could go get if they were just able to pry it out of them.”

-SNIP-

The security agency, whose mission is to spy overseas, and the F.B.I., its main partner in surveillance operations, dominate the process as the Justice Department’s main “customers” in seeking warrants from the intelligence court, with nearly 1,800 approved by the court last year.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 4thamendment; fedzilla; nsa; rapeofliberty; tyranny
Who didn't see this coming? Shoot, it's probably already here.

Just wait until the FDA, EPA, and IRS get their hands on those goods...

1 posted on 08/04/2013 6:42:40 AM PDT by bamahead
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To: Abathar; Abcdefg; Abram; Abundy; albertp; Alexander Rubin; Allosaurs_r_us; amchugh; ...
The security agency’s spy tools are attractive to other agencies for many reasons. ... The standard of evidence needed to acquire them may be lower than in other courts, and the government may not be required to disclose for years, if ever, that someone was the focus of secret surveillance operations.



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2 posted on 08/04/2013 6:45:52 AM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: bamahead
ANYONE in the White Hut (Moslem Brotherhood)
has access to everyone's religion and assets
and views in the entire USA (held hostage by the Impostor).


3 posted on 08/04/2013 6:50:33 AM PDT by Diogenesis
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To: bamahead

This will ultimately be used against conservatives, Tea partiers and lets not forget Christians.


4 posted on 08/04/2013 6:52:32 AM PDT by bergmeid
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To: bamahead

5 posted on 08/04/2013 7:03:14 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: bamahead

You know, that’s a serious question - WHO didn’t see this coming. That’s why it should never have been done at all, because the possibility of abuse always was 100.00%.


6 posted on 08/04/2013 7:14:29 AM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: bamahead

Who didn’t see this coming? Shoot, it’s probably already here.
*******
By the time we find out about it, its already too late.


7 posted on 08/04/2013 7:15:27 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: The Antiyuppie
The security agency, whose mission is to spy overseas...

Talk about mission creep!

8 posted on 08/04/2013 7:16:51 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: bamahead
Just wait until the FDA, EPA, and IRS get their hands on those goods...

Yes. Once these totally captured agencies get it you know Obama's OFA will have it - not that they don't have most of it now thanks to Google, Facebook, and the rest of the totalitarian enablers in the high tech world.

9 posted on 08/04/2013 7:20:43 AM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Is John's moustache long enough YET?)
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To: bamahead

The federales have all that phone data
and they still can’t stop the telemarketers
that routinely violate their federal “do not call” list.


10 posted on 08/04/2013 7:21:08 AM PDT by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: bamahead
Mr. Edgar said officials in the national intelligence director’s office occasionally allow other agencies a role in identifying surveillance targets and seeing the results when it is relevant to their own inquiries. But more often, he acknowledged, the office has come down on the side of keeping the process held to an “exclusive club” at the N.S.A., the F.B.I. and the Justice Department, with help from the Central Intelligence Agency on foreign issues.

Those at the top head Zero's brown shirt agencies. If you don't think they allow indiscriminate monitoring, you are not clued in at all. They obviously openly target political opponents.

11 posted on 08/04/2013 7:26:24 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Once a Republic, since then a State in the US, but it is Still Texas where I live.)
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To: bergmeid
This will ultimately be used against conservatives, Tea partiers and lets not forget Christians.

It's been in use some while, and will soon be more extensively used. In the simplest, most inclusive terms, the targets are patriots loyal to the old constitutional republic.

Communism will fail in America, too.

The only questions are how fast it will fail and how many millions will be lost during the collapse.

12 posted on 08/04/2013 7:29:59 AM PDT by Standing Wolf
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To: bamahead

These are interesting days, in the Chinese blessing sense of the term.

It would appear that only God can slow down this government train.


13 posted on 08/04/2013 7:31:06 AM PDT by lurk
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To: bamahead

This is the natural progression of an out of control government. History is replete with such examples.


14 posted on 08/04/2013 7:35:14 AM PDT by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: Starboard
>> The security agency, whose mission is to spy overseas... > > Talk about mission creep! New Rationale: the Earth is round, if you travel over enough seas you return. So here is overseas.
15 posted on 08/04/2013 7:45:04 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: bamahead

The Supreme Court needs to shut this down ASAP. Or We the People will.


16 posted on 08/04/2013 7:47:14 AM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: IronJack
The Supreme Court needs to shut this down ASAP. Or We the People will.

The SC won't do anything. So I guess that leaves us with one choice.

Revolt is coming.

17 posted on 08/04/2013 8:18:42 AM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal the 16th Amendment)
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To: unixfox

I agree. We’ve tried holding the line within the system, but we’re dealing with an administration that has no regard for the rule of law, and an ideology that has no morality whatsoever. So our options are becoming fewer and fewer ...


18 posted on 08/04/2013 9:42:38 AM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: Starboard

Lots of people have been talking about this for a long time. I, myself, was called an idiot only about six months ago for saying the government was spying on us through social sites. It wasn’t anyone on here who called me an idiot but I was told a few times to get some tin foil.

And most conservatives think the NSA spying machine is just wonderful if it keeps us safe. Like it kept the Boston Marathon watchers safe.

At this day and age we shouldn’t be surprised by anything the government does.


19 posted on 08/04/2013 9:51:12 AM PDT by VerySadAmerican (If you vote for evil because you can't see evil, you ARE evil!)
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To: bamahead

Fat chance.


20 posted on 08/04/2013 10:33:04 AM PDT by Jack Hammer (American)
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To: bamahead
“The other agencies feel they should be bigger players,” said Mr. Edgar

What are the idiots at the NYT babbling about? There the fools who went all in to get Obama elected.

21 posted on 08/04/2013 11:05:43 AM PDT by VRW Conspirator (The Lefties can drink Kool-Aid; I will drink Tea.)
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To: bamahead
The security agency’s spy tools are attractive to other agencies for many reasons. Unlike traditional, narrowly tailored search warrants, those granted by the intelligence court often allow searches through records and data that are vast in scope. The standard of evidence needed to acquire them may be lower than in other courts, and the government may not be required to disclose for years, if ever, that someone was the focus of secret surveillance operations.
 
No Effing Shiite!
 
The 4th amendment, 5th and 1st are not present in their minds as they consciously violate them over and over again with impunity
 
 

22 posted on 08/04/2013 11:09:11 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: bamahead

You kidding? /S

I wouldn’t be surprised if the local dog catcher wants this information.


23 posted on 08/04/2013 11:09:52 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: bamahead
Officials in the national intelligence director’s office worry about opening the surveillance too widely beyond the security agency and the F.B.I. for fear of abuse, Mr. Edgar said. The two intelligence giants have been “burned” by past wiretapping controversies and know the political consequences if they venture too far afield, he added.
 
Oh, that is just so rich....

24 posted on 08/04/2013 11:32:37 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Travis McGee

I wonder if it would occur to the Obama Doc that , after saying such a stupid thing, that he would probably die before Mr. Jones’ daughter?


25 posted on 08/04/2013 11:44:15 AM PDT by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: bamahead; All; Smokin' Joe; LucyT; ExTexasRedhead
WB, bamahead!

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26 posted on 08/04/2013 2:58:00 PM PDT by Larousse2 (The price of Freedom is Eternal Vigilance. ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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To: bamahead

It’s M.A.G.I.C.


27 posted on 08/05/2013 5:19:12 AM PDT by TArcher ("TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS, governments are instituted among men" -- Does that still work?)
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To: unixfox

“Revolt is coming.”

I’m curious, have the pro-statist, pro-NSA ‘Freepers’ warned you off on saying stuff like this as they have with me?


28 posted on 08/05/2013 11:00:17 AM PDT by MeganC (A gun is like a parachute. If you need one, and don't have one, you'll never need one again.)
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To: bamahead
Just wait until the FDA, EPA, and IRS get their hands on those goods...

And the Democratic Party campaign IT staff.

(If you can believe Maxine Waters, they already have it.)

29 posted on 08/05/2013 12:15:31 PM PDT by mbarker12474
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To: MeganC

They haven’t warned me. Even if they did, they would get get a severe lashing.

Those aren’t true Freepers if you ask me.


30 posted on 08/05/2013 1:38:44 PM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal the 16th Amendment)
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To: bamahead

NSA collecting every word of every call - not just “metadata”

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/government_programs/july-dec13/whistleblowers_08-01.html


31 posted on 08/05/2013 6:39:13 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws - Tacituss)
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