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West Acts Like 'Bull in China Shop' in Middle East Russian PM
Moscow Times ^ | 8/4/13

Posted on 08/04/2013 10:26:34 AM PDT by LibWhacker

Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev criticized Sunday the West's interference in the Middle East, describing it as a "bull in a china shop."

In an interview with RT, Medvedev said he agreed with the interviewer that the West often purposefully pushed whole nations to the point of no return, beyond which it was very difficult to convince the warring sides to attempt negotiations.

"Our Western partners sometimes behave like a bull in a china shop — they squeeze in, crush everything and then don't know what to do next. I often find myself astonished at their analysts and how inconsistent their projects are that they push through by their superiors and at the outcomes they get," Medvedev told RT.

"If we're being completely honest, what good did the Arab Spring bring to the Arab world? Did it bring freedom? A little, at best. In most countries it led to endless bloodshed, regime change, and continuous unrest. I have no illusions about that either. As for the pushing that you mentioned, yes, unfortunately, that's true," Medvedev said.

What happened in Libya and Iraq and what is happening in Syria show that there is a forceful dismantling of a country's political system under the guise of the fight for national interests, an intrusion into its internal affairs and the installation a loyal political regime, Medvedev said.

"Nothing good came out of it, by the way. We know what happened and we can see what is happening. The situation in Iraq is very volatile — dozens of people are killed every day ... Of course, we are doing our best to support Iraq. We meet with Iraqi leaders; we sympathize with them, because we have a long history of contacts with them," the prime minister said.

"Libya was torn apart by this war, and there are still regions where the central authorities have not managed to regain full control, just like we expected. This is not to mention what happened to [Libyan leader Muammar] Qaddafi. This was horrible. This is another stain on the reputation of the people who initiated this military operation," Medvedev said.

Syria is also on the brink of a similar war, the prime minister said.

"Basically, there's a civil war raging in the country; it's a disaster. We have always believed that the power to solve Syria's problems should lie with its people. But the active interference that we now see might potentially lead to the same problems and create yet another unstable country in a permanent state of civil war," Medvedev said.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: arabspring; arabwinter; bull; china; medvedev; russia; west
Was hesitant to post this, then realized 'rats say much worse things about America all the time. As a matter of fact, RINOs say worse things. Heck, I've said worse things, certainly as it pertains to Hussein's conduct as guest president.
1 posted on 08/04/2013 10:26:34 AM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: LibWhacker

Except the Mythbusters proved that a bull in a china shop doesn’t actually knock anything over.

So there!


2 posted on 08/04/2013 10:28:40 AM PDT by bolobaby
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To: LibWhacker
Our so-called "Secretary of State" is the Bull in the China Shop! He needs to get out of there!
3 posted on 08/04/2013 10:31:33 AM PDT by Sen Jack S. Fogbound
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To: LibWhacker

You know, if you think about it, isn’t this pretty much what we say about the Obama administration?

As for their analysts, I too scratch my head and wonder what the hell?

Look, in the past I would have read this sort of commentary and laughed it off. Today, you can’t laugh it off. It’s dead on target and we all know it.


4 posted on 08/04/2013 10:32:02 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Kill the bill... Begin enforcing our current laws, signed by President Ronald Reagan.)
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To: LibWhacker

Times sure have changed. Suspect more Americans would find themselves agreeing with the Russian Foreign Minister than John Kerry, Obama’s Secretary of State.


5 posted on 08/04/2013 10:34:50 AM PDT by allendale
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To: bolobaby

The saying means that we tend to overstep in delicate siituations.


6 posted on 08/04/2013 10:35:03 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: LibWhacker

What a mess.


7 posted on 08/04/2013 10:36:57 AM PDT by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: LibWhacker

Read “Grand Strategy of the Byzantine Empire”, it parallels with current US situation. When the West Roman Empire fell, the surviving Eastern Empire was stuck with less manpower, financially strap and unable to fight sustain wars. US today is in similar straits. Saddled with debt and unable to afford long costly wars. But like the East Romnans, the enemies do not go away. Islam is hellbent on destroying the US. After Afghanistan and Iraq the US population cannot politically stomach another Bush style Gulf War/nation building. The only thing left is cause the Muslims to fight amongst themselves. That is what the East Romans did. War emphasize usage of good intel to be highly aware of enemy intentions and actions, usage of dirty tricks (Spec Ops and CIA) to cause fights amongst the various enemies and factions within. The military is used for quick and decisive strikes because long campaigns can no longer be afforded financially. That is how the East Romans survive another 700 years after the fall of Western Rome. The US may be in the same situation due to our financial debts.


8 posted on 08/04/2013 10:38:29 AM PDT by Fee
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To: LibWhacker
I've been wondering this for a while now (please make sure your tin foil is in the upright and correct position). What if what we know outside the MSM about Benghazi is true; weapons running to AQ and the MB. Rumors of stolen/swapped manpads. Lets just say fast and furious on a nefarious international level. How far outside the realm of possibility would it be that another nation hit US to stop that activity? Might explain why no one wants to investigate as "we" (this administration, not all Americans) are the enemy now.

Just food for thought, I have nothing to back up that notion other than wondering how long other nations are going to put up with our crap.

9 posted on 08/04/2013 10:38:43 AM PDT by Ghost of SVR4 (So many are so hopelessly dependent on the government that they will fight to protect it.)
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To: LibWhacker
Our GD foreign policies have been a 100 percent disaster for many decades now...

It's looted the American treasure and laid tens of thousands of Americans to waste...

When we should have been developing "Fortress America" we instead turned it into "Flophouse America" were even foreign terrorist and their families are collecting welfare...

While betrayers in government spy on law abiding Americans, for fear of terrorist, our borders are left wide open. Instead of creating solid economy for our people, they borrow trillions from the Communist while exporting tens of thousands of our jobs...

It has reached a point where nearly every single problem facing America, was created and caused by those in government.

10 posted on 08/04/2013 10:40:58 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Ghost of SVR4

Thinking further on it, it might explain why cross border authority (Read Travis McGee’s awesome write up) was not given after all, some other big dogs were in there and the risk of a full blown international incident would bring light to what we are doing supplying muzzies..


11 posted on 08/04/2013 10:41:35 AM PDT by Ghost of SVR4 (So many are so hopelessly dependent on the government that they will fight to protect it.)
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To: Fee

And then the Byzantine “Holy Roman” Empire got steamrolled by the Muslim hordes who control it to this day; Constantinople became Istanbul.

Even the enemy doesn’t stop learning.


12 posted on 08/04/2013 10:47:32 AM PDT by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: James C. Bennett

Pootin’s right.


13 posted on 08/04/2013 10:48:40 AM PDT by DIRTYSECRET (urope. Why do they put up with this.)
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To: LibWhacker

Ah yes, the Russians have a much better history, like Afghanistan.


14 posted on 08/04/2013 10:51:08 AM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: LibWhacker

It’s spot on!

Whatever in the hell possessed our idiot leaders to foment unrest and worse, go against American ideals such as “The Prime Directive”????

We are a nation of peace, seeking to help others whenever and wherever, under just about any circumstance and sometimes with odds that would impair any other nation, any other people.

To be sure, this cluster muck was started under Bush and by any measure is a demonstrable, unmitigated, disaster.

Assad, Ghaddahfi, Mubarack and a few other tin pot dictators, in that oart if the world were/are evil. But, and there really ought to be a more oerfect word than “but” to preface the very real peace and order they kept in their fiefdom’s.

This isn’t dating where you leave a bad relationship if only to stop the pain, then start another abusive relationship. That, however, is just what we’ve done.

The Obama team has never been content to simply make an error and determine a better course of action.

No, these guys are collosal screw ups suffering from poverty of intellect and morally bankrupt.

The horror for America, the world and sadly the people whose lives and plans are now daily upended and one wonders if they will ever gain a foothold on the precipace of peace so they can get a tempo going that enables them to be productive citizens and have enduring relatiinships with all mankind.

Not in this generation.

The Obama Administration has FUBAR’d that part of the world and delivered a huge Shiite sandwich....

We are all going to be forced to take a bite and swallow.

Why?


15 posted on 08/04/2013 10:52:24 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: LibWhacker

Looks like Obama’s post-election “flexibility” didn’t buy a whole lot from the Russians.


16 posted on 08/04/2013 10:55:35 AM PDT by TheGipperWasRight
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To: LibWhacker
Remember when Russian officials spoke ridiculous propaganda and America told the truth?
17 posted on 08/04/2013 11:34:47 AM PDT by Forgotten Amendments (I remember when a President having an "enemies list" was a scandal. Now, they have a kill list.)
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To: Biggirl

I know that, sheesh.


18 posted on 08/04/2013 11:43:47 AM PDT by bolobaby
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To: Vendome
We are all going to be forced to take a bite and swallow. Why?

I don't know, my friend. It's certainly not the America I grew up believing in. That America was one that avoided foreign entanglements, per our Founders' advice. But that approach began going awry somewhere around Woodrow Wilson and has been getting noticeably more awry every decade since.

Now we are the world's only hyperpower, and we seem to think that we must demonstrate to every little tinpot that we can dent his behind, and your behind over there, and your behind, and yours and yours and yours, tinpots beware! -- everywhere around the world. But what we're really doing is showing our most dangerous enemies WHAT NOT TO DO when it comes down to a real fight between them and us. That's no way to ensure our future security and safety.

19 posted on 08/04/2013 11:46:22 AM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: Forgotten Amendments

I sure do! Now it’s almost completely reversed, isn’t it? Washington always lies, and Russia only mostly lies!


20 posted on 08/04/2013 11:51:00 AM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: DoughtyOne
The Department of State and CIA have been dominated at a staff level by Arabists and to some extent rabid antisemitism (before anyone cleverly comments that the Arabs are Semites too, I use that term in the limited sense of people who hate Jews) for decades. American support of Israel was maintained since the 1960's with enormous and broad support of the American people but in spite of constant efforts of the diplomatic corps and the national security apparatus to undermine it. Now with Obama in office there is really no one at the executive level to restrain them and the Muslim Brotherhood and closet Al Qaeda types are welcomed with open arms.

This disconnect between the sentiments of the vast majority of Americans, even most of those deluded enough to have helped elect the Pretender, and the government is leading us into a sort of foreign policy schizophrenia and helps explain why the effort to cover up the who's and why's of the Benghazi Massacre is running at a pitch a thousand times anything that occurred during Watergate. If the press was not so fully accomplice with the Democratic Party most people might notice how far things have gone and there could be hew and cry for heads to roll. As it is we are sheep being led to slaughter.

21 posted on 08/04/2013 12:37:16 PM PDT by katana (Just my opinions)
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To: bolobaby

“Except the Mythbusters proved that a bull in a china shop doesn’t actually knock anything over.

So there!”

Perhaps so, but Medvedev may be the little bird that told us about the 800 pound gorilla in the room. America can’t continue to kick at every dog that barks at it. You don’t have any dog in some fights. Sometimes, you’ll have to take the bull by the horns, and let sleeping dogs lie, before you’ve gone to the dogs.

Unfortunately, Obama is an albatross around your neck. He’s as stubborn as a mule. A leopard that can’t change his spots, and he’s turning America into a paper tiger. That’s what voters get, when they buy a pig in a poke. Fortunately, he’ll soon be a lame duck.


22 posted on 08/04/2013 12:37:18 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: LibWhacker

The author is correct, sad to say.


23 posted on 08/04/2013 1:27:55 PM PDT by esoxmagnum (The rats have been trained to pull the D voting lever to get their little food pellet)
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To: katana

This seems to be the case to me also with regard to state. As for the CIA, I haven’t seen enough to make the case one way or another on this topic.

I do agree with your comments regarding push-back or the lack there-of.


24 posted on 08/04/2013 1:43:38 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Kill the bill... Begin enforcing our current laws, signed by President Ronald Reagan.)
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To: LibWhacker

Diplomacy goes on as it always has, with churlish name calling, posturing, feints, thrusts and parries, all of which have meaning to the experienced eye. Our president, however, and the gaggle of fools he chooses to surround himself with, stand wide-eyed, confused and mystified. Children living in a fantasy world, they fumble to find meaning in a reality they stubbornly refuse to accept. The emperor is not only unclothed, he’s clueless beyond comprehension.


25 posted on 08/04/2013 1:44:09 PM PDT by Spok
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

Unfortunately for us, “the jig is up, the goose is cooked, the fat is in the fire, and the cat is out of the bag”.

(James Thurber, “The Thirteen Clocks”, 1950)

The late Bill Buckley once predicted that unseating Taiwan on the U.N. Security Council and replacing it with the Communist Chinese regime would be like a China in the Bull Shop.


26 posted on 08/04/2013 2:28:29 PM PDT by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam.")
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To: elcid1970

“...like a China in the Bull Shop.”

Good one!


27 posted on 08/04/2013 3:37:42 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

That was Chairman Bill’s line.

Buckley on why Sen. Edward M. Kennedy refused to appear on “Firing Line”:

“Why does baloney reject the grinder!”

;^)


28 posted on 08/04/2013 3:43:09 PM PDT by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam.")
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To: allendale; All
Suspect more Americans would find themselves agreeing with the Russian Foreign Minister than John Kerry, Obama’s Secretary of State...

Very true, and so sad.

29 posted on 08/04/2013 5:08:15 PM PDT by AnalogReigns (because the real world is not digital...)
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