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GUN OWNERS: Don’t Let Obama Sign UN Arms Trade Treaty
Townhall.com ^ | August 5, 2013 | Katie Kieffer

Posted on 08/05/2013 6:14:32 AM PDT by Kaslin

Your guns are in danger. Obama has stopped defending the Second Amendment. He did not get his gun control agenda passed in the Senate. So, he’s unconstitutionally trying to use the United Nations to control your guns. Don’t let him.

Obama is getting dangerously close to signing the United Nations Arms Trade Treaty. If he signs this treaty and the Senate ratifies it, the Second Amendment is toast. And your guns will be in the control of dictators around the world.

This sounds like a bad movie or a conspiracy theory, and I wish it were. But it’s real. 130 bipartisan members of Congress signed a letter that Rep. Mike Lee wrote to President Obama and Secretary of State John Kerry.

The 13-page letter asks Obama and Kerry NOT to sign the Arms Trade Treaty and instead listen to the American people for once. If you are a gun owner, you should express this same sentiment to all of your elected officials. Ask them to oppose the Arms Trade Treaty.

In simple terms, here’s how the Arms Trade Treaty threatens gun owners, freedom, and the 2nd Amendment:

A ‘National Control List’ Would Be Established

Article 5 of the Arms Trade Treaty creates a “National Control List.” Global leaders around the world who sign the treaty: “shall establish and maintain a national control system, including a national control list.” 

Obama promised us he was not going to establish a national gun registry. “He's not seeking a registry,” White House Spokesman Josh Earnest told reporters on March 25, 2013.

In his twisted mind, Obama told the truth but not the whole truth. He didn’t want a national registry. He wanted a global registry. He wanted foreign governments to know whether you own a gun. That way, if you even think about jumping ship and leaving the United States to seek freedom elsewhere, there will effectively be an asterisk next to your name. Probably something like:

The beautiful and talented actress Audrey Hepburn once said: “I don't want to be alone, I want to be left alone.” Tell Obama to listen to Audrey. Tell him to stay away from your guns. And leave you alone.

United Nations Would Control All Guns and Ammo

The New American reports that Articles 2, 3 and 4 of the Arms Trade Treaty give the UN the authority to apprehend the right of private citizens to: “own, buy, sell, trade, or transfer all means of armed resistance, including handguns.” Ammunition, parts and components also fall under UN purview.

Funny thing is, no government or group of governments will ever, ever, ever have the “right” to do this. As humans, we have an inherent right to our private property, including our bodies. We also have an inherent right to use self-defense to protect our bodies. Reason tells us this. Whether we choose to use our own fists or a Glock, we have a natural, God-given right to hold off lethal attacks with force.

No one has the authority to take away your natural rights. A bully with a pack of international bullies backing him up can only use force to extort your natural rights. That’s what Obama’s administration is trying to do; extort decent and law-abiding Americans like you.

Stand up for reason, justice and freedom. Tell Obama not to sign the UN Arms Trade Treaty and tell your Senators not to ratify it if he tries to send it their way.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial
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As if he was ever against gun control.
1 posted on 08/05/2013 6:14:32 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

IIRC, nothing supersedes the Constitution — no treaty can override it. SCOTUS has said this on several occasions...Stevie666


2 posted on 08/05/2013 6:23:05 AM PDT by szweig (HYHEY!! (Have You Had Enough Yet))
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To: Kaslin

3 posted on 08/05/2013 6:24:50 AM PDT by PROCON (Never underestimate the power of low information voters in large numbers.)
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To: Kaslin

This is a BS article. I thought spam was blocked on this site.


4 posted on 08/05/2013 6:25:13 AM PDT by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: bamahead

Ping


5 posted on 08/05/2013 6:28:58 AM PDT by EdReform (Oath Keepers - Guardians of the Republic - Honor your oath - Join us: www.oathkeepers.org)
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To: Kaslin
Your guns are in danger. Obama has stopped defending the Second Amendment. He did not get his gun control agenda passed in the Senate. So, he’s unconstitutionally trying to use the United Nations to control your guns. Don’t let him.

This treaty has been in the works since before Zero became President.

6 posted on 08/05/2013 6:30:49 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (Islam offers choices: convert, submit, or die.)
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To: Kaslin
Tell Obama not to sign the UN Arms Trade Treaty

I'm still laughing. Is this author serious?

and tell your Senators not to ratify it if he tries to send it their way.

PFFFTT! BWA HAHAHA! We ALL know this won't happen. The Senate will just let it sit in a corner collecting dust, and we all know that a treaty ratified but not confirmed means that the executive branch can do just about anything they want with the treaty unless and until the Senate decides to do something about it.

7 posted on 08/05/2013 6:30:50 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: szweig; SgtHooper
IIRC, nothing supersedes the Constitution — no treaty can override it.

They routinely do. It was part of the plan from before the ink was dry on the Constitution. And if you think it takes 2/3 of the Senate to ratify a treaty, I've got bad news for you: Article II, Section 2, Clause 2 of the Constitution specifies "two thirds of the Senators present." If you think Harry Reid couldn't find a way to claim he got that done, you don't know Harry Reid.

8 posted on 08/05/2013 6:36:44 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (Islam offers choices: convert, submit, or die.)
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To: szweig
....nothing supersedes the Constitution...

That is my understanding as well. The Constitution is the law of THIS land. A Lawyer from the mall could overturn this.

9 posted on 08/05/2013 6:37:50 AM PDT by Mr. Quarterpanel (I am not an actor, but I play one on TV)
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To: rarestia
and we all know that a treaty ratified but not confirmed means that the executive branch can do just about anything they want with the treaty unless and until the Senate decides to do something about it.

Sadly no, we all don't. I waste buckets of time dealing with ignorance about treaty law even on this site.

10 posted on 08/05/2013 6:38:29 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (Islam offers choices: convert, submit, or die.)
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To: Kaslin

Tell bo to go after weapons of mass destruction. Remind him that a car is more deadly than a gun unless it’s in the ditch.


11 posted on 08/05/2013 6:39:53 AM PDT by Recompennation (Constitutional protection for all not just selectively for Democrats.)
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To: Kaslin
If he signs this treaty and the Senate ratifies it, the Second Amendment is toast.

The chance of it getting two-thirds of the Senate to vote for it is about zero.

12 posted on 08/05/2013 6:40:48 AM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: Kaslin

His signature without the final approval of the US Senate is meaningless.


13 posted on 08/05/2013 6:41:15 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks ("Say Not the Struggle Naught Availeth.")
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To: Mr. Quarterpanel
A Lawyer from the mall could overturn this.

You would have to overturn each and every action, one at a time. Each action would require that there be harm for there to be standing, which means that the provisions would have to be in place (such as a registry). Each action would take years to complete. Just try getting a UN registry destroyed based upon an American court order.

I've been warning about this treaty on this site since 2006. Yet I still see disinformation like yours every time the topic comes up.

14 posted on 08/05/2013 6:41:54 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (Islam offers choices: convert, submit, or die.)
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To: 0.E.O
The chance of it getting two-thirds of the Senate to vote for it is about zero.

In principle, helpful Harry only needs 34 votes.

15 posted on 08/05/2013 6:42:51 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (Islam offers choices: convert, submit, or die.)
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To: philman_36

Here we go again.


16 posted on 08/05/2013 6:44:59 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (Islam offers choices: convert, submit, or die.)
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To: Carry_Okie

Was I incorrect in my assessment? A treaty signed by the President is assumed to be law unless shot down by the Senate, no?


17 posted on 08/05/2013 6:46:25 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: Kaslin
It does not matter what we "let" him do, or not, he'll do it anyway.

18 posted on 08/05/2013 6:50:01 AM PDT by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: Carry_Okie
In principle, helpful Harry only needs 34 votes.

In fact there is no way the Dems would be able to sneak this through in the dark of night with no Republicans around like you imagine they can.

19 posted on 08/05/2013 6:55:48 AM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: rarestia
Was I incorrect in my assessment?

No, you were quite correct about the way treaties are enacted upon signature pursuant to the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties (which we never ratified). What was incorrect was that 'we all know it.'

20 posted on 08/05/2013 6:56:12 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (Islam offers choices: convert, submit, or die.)
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To: 0.E.O
In fact there is no way the Dems would be able to sneak this through in the dark of night with no Republicans around like you imagine they can.

It's been done before.

21 posted on 08/05/2013 6:56:56 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (Islam offers choices: convert, submit, or die.)
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To: Carry_Okie

My apologies. I thought that was understood.

This “feel good” understanding of the law is what’s got us to where we are in the first place.

Given Obama’s complete and total disregard for the law, I have no doubt in my mind that we are looking at a very rapid escalation to arms between the government and the people. Sadly, due to the number of people on the government dole, I have no doubt that the people will lose in a big way.

With America out of the picture, there will be no where in the world for someone to be free. We’ll be degrading into a global society of dictatorships. Global Oligarchy.


22 posted on 08/05/2013 6:58:38 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: rarestia
This “feel good” understanding of the law is what’s got us to where we are in the first place.

Conservatives want to be left alone, which means they don't want to be bothered with the dirty business of protecting their rights, which means that by the time they take action, it is usually too late.

23 posted on 08/05/2013 7:06:50 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (Islam offers choices: convert, submit, or die.)
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To: Kaslin

‘Don’t let Obama...’ ????

He seems to do what he wants.


24 posted on 08/05/2013 7:13:11 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US Citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: Kaslin
Obama keeps saying he "can't wait" for Congress to act and/or is looking for ways to "act without Congress." Once signed, with this (mostly) milquetoast herd of RINOs in Congress, why wouldn't he try to enact the UN Treaty?

On the road back to Lexington & Concord...

25 posted on 08/05/2013 7:13:37 AM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back The Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks; szweig
His signature without the final approval of the US Senate is meaningless.

How does one come to this conclusion given the post-Constitutional lawless environment we find ourselves in? Szweig wrote "A Lawyer from the mall could overturn this", but how many times have we heard from the judicial system that no one has "standing" to bring a suit?

IMHO Zero's signing and embrace of the UNATT is what will bring the first shot fired in CW II. He knows it and he wants it so bad he can taste it - reparations in a disguised form. America is evil to the core in this clown's twisted perverted brain. He is NOT going to leave the White Hut come Jan 21, 2017, and will simply declare the US Constitutional null and void. WHAT is Congress going to do about it? Nothing according to past performance - Reid does whatever He is instructed by Zero's puppet master, and all Boner wants to do is strike "deals with RATS and gain love from the MEDIA" thereby gaining his next invite to a District of Corruption cocktail party. SCOUTS says we should look to other turd world countries and not our USA Constitution.

Our system is BROKEN. WAKE UP AMERICA, USSR may look good in another year.
26 posted on 08/05/2013 7:33:12 AM PDT by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: Kaslin

US out of the UN, UN off US soil!


27 posted on 08/05/2013 7:40:47 AM PDT by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: Cheerio
Our system is BROKEN. WAKE UP AMERICA, USSR may look good in another year.

It sure looks better than the US for Snowden.

28 posted on 08/05/2013 7:42:56 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Carry_Okie

How many treaties have superseded the Constitution?


29 posted on 08/05/2013 7:47:09 AM PDT by maddog55 (America Rising.... Civil War II)
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To: maddog55
How many treaties have superseded the Constitution?

Most of those underlying environmental laws, such as the Endangered Species Act, especially the Convention on Nature Protection Wild Life and Preservation in the Western Hemisphere (1941). Check out USC Title 16, Section 1531.

30 posted on 08/05/2013 7:55:09 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (Islam offers choices: convert, submit, or die.)
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To: Carry_Okie

Guess I’m not seeing the link to the Constitution with a wild life protection and endangered species. Treaties are agreed to quite often but they can’t override the Constitution.

The Reid Court wrote that “…an international accord that is inconsistent with the U.S. Constitution is void under domestic U.S. law, the same as any other federal law in conflict with the Constitution.”

Granted we have a POS President who hates the Constitution but in time we’ll find everything this POS did will have been illegal.


31 posted on 08/05/2013 8:39:23 AM PDT by maddog55 (America Rising.... Civil War II)
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To: SgtHooper
Yep. At the very least people should read the actual text of the treaty and not rely on some excerpted soundbites.

Here's a PDF: ATT Text

I take it that it's directed to international arms dealings, not individual gun ownership (in particular as regards any "control system"). Also, I don't see anything in it that would authorize the UN or any third country to take any measures against private gun ownership.

32 posted on 08/05/2013 8:40:25 AM PDT by Moltke (Sapere aude!)
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To: maddog55
Guess I’m not seeing the link to the Constitution with a wild life protection and endangered species.

Well I guess you didn't read the treaty I just linked. So why should I bother explaining things to you? Just because you don't see it doesn't make it false.

Treaties are agreed to quite often but they can’t override the Constitution.

So you say. Read the article I linked in Post 8. They do, Reid v. Covert notwithstanding.

33 posted on 08/05/2013 8:45:54 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (Islam offers choices: convert, submit, or die.)
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34 posted on 08/06/2013 10:02:09 PM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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