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Posted on 08/05/2013 8:52:23 AM PDT by SeekAndFindEdited on 08/05/2013 8:52:50 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
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This is absurd and yet a normative response on so many parts of the internet.
“No he didn’t”
Bush did not call for regulation of Fannie Mae.
He called Congress to increase regulation 17 times!
Why not just admit to reality?
Especially when it supports an intuitive position you ought to have against Democrats?!
The democrats took overwhelming control of congress on January 2007. Dodd and Obama were some of the largest recipients of campaign contributions from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
You and so many others would rather lazily assert that Republicans and Democrats are all the same and the events of 2008 have no partisan theme to them.
Consequent to this delusion, we must now believe that the Fairy Tale party of Golden Conservative unicorns will mystically right the country from its present demise.
There’s no empirical backing for this new vision but the situation is bad enough that any assertion should suffice—right!?
What sources? Begging? Obamacare won't have any cash flowing in for a long time.
That only will last a short while, though. We don’t produce enough for that to last. More and more cities will bankrupt, the freebies will play out, and there will hell to pay. Several possible scenarios, none good..
-— . The media blow back would be damaging with no impact upon Obama. ——
Who do you think is going to get blamed for the effects of Obamacare? The government, or greedy doctors and insurance companies?
The Republican’s bold, 30-year strategic retreat has resulted in a $17 trillion deficit. When are you planning on fighting?
We shut down the government until WE get what WE want, that is, Obamacare defunded.
We might as well have some fun fighting the bastards.
Or we can keep retreating. Maybe we can risk a fight in 2032.
Well, FRiend, you're the one who brought up W and your gold standard 4.7% unemployment meme. I'll give you that W held a much better economy...and economic principals that lead to a much more prosperous economy, than the Marxist-in-Chief.
I do support Ws path to citizenship policies.
Ha! Somehow, I knew that you would! That doesn't surprise me.
By the way, hispanics supported W, as Gov and Pres, at about the same rate they supported Ted Cruz' Senate race. Which proves you CAN stick to CONSERVATIVE principles -- and NOT pander to race (with promises of citizenship, etc.) and garner 40% of the vote. Heck, while Bush was pandering to hispanics, Kerry won 53% to Bush's 44% of the '04 vote.
I don't *hate* Bush, I actually respect W MUCH more than 0. I just don't appreciate pandering to any race while abandoning Conservative principles/platform. To me, that defines *faux* more than anything. So, take your *faux* conservative/0 supporter tripe somewhere else
Why do you suppose W hasn't come out strong, or AT ALL, on the destructive policies of 0 (being approved by Dims AND Repubs)? That alone, has bothered me as much or more, than anything else W has ever done.
I don’t disagree with much of what you say.
I love Ted Cruz and I voted for him twice. I thought he was much better than dew hurst
He would be my number one pick for pres 2016.
I know bush pretty well. He’s extraordinarily humble and people try to spin it as a weakness. It’s not.
His library and institute do good work arguing for his principals.
I’m pretty unhappy with how harshly people like bush are treated. He’s more conservative than McCain and people can certainly vote for more conservative options such as Cruz.
Democrats control too much of history— making heroes of villains and demons of good people. We need to defend the good actions of republicans and stop playing this coy game of bipartisanship that we dislike republicans as much as democrats.
2013 isn’t 2001 or 1980 for that matter. It’s a unique moment.
Yes those waskally Dems twicked Bush into a housing bubble that he took credit for in 2004 to get re-elected, new homeowners, cash in pocket, happy days are here again. That Bawny Fwank is an evil genius getting Bush to say this.
GWB 2002 Speech :More and more people own their homes in America today. Yet we have a problem here in America because fewer than half the Hispanics and African Americans own their own homes. Thats a home ownership gap; a gap that we got to work together to close. And by the end of this decade well increase the number of minority homeowners (future Obama voters ) by 5.5 million families.
One of the major obstacles to minority home-ownership is financing. Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac (who I will bail out in 2008) have committed to provide more money for lenders, they committed to meet the shortage of capital available for minority home-buyers. Freddie Mac just began 25 initiatives around the country to dismantle barriers (like income requirements) and create better opportunities for home-ownership. One of the programs is designed to help families with bad credit histories to qualify for home ownership loans (by faking their income) . You dont have to have a lousy home for first time home-buyers. You put your mind to it the first time low income home buyer can have just as nice a house as anyone else (till those adjustable rates go up).
President Bush Mortgage Speech 2002(Helping those w bad credit buy houses)
Early in George W. Bushs first administration, a home ownership initiative was introduced, sometimes referred to as the Blueprint for the American Dream, to close the homeownership gap by 5.5 million minority families. Along with this homeownership initiative, there were other policies implemented to dismantle barriers to homeownership in minority communities.” from :
The Great American Mortgage Scam & The Latino Community
You believed Obama when he said that O-care would pay for itself?
Its funded similar to medicare except no paper IOUs from government to itself, by Federal borrowing $$$.,
I recall the last time this came up just a few months ago a Bush-bot claimed that by 2006 or 2007 GWB had changed his mind 180 degrees on handing out those home loans to anyone who applied, so that made it OK.
Well by 2006 it was too late and 2007 it was WAY too late.
Like a fantastic airplane ride to 20K feet with little fuel left and only the bankers get the parachutes.
Indeed. You have no evidence.
You cite a 2002 speech as cause for the 2008 crash.
You ignore dems taking over congress in 2007. Mocking me as if frank persuaded bush to agree to the lack of proper limits. No. The dems took control of congress and the GSEs. Congress controls the GSEs. President can only recommend. Which bush did 17 times.
You ignore direct evidence where dems admit they caused the crisis. Frank quit congress over this.
You are not sick of libs. You are their great defender.
It is like blaming Coolidge for the depression—which dems do and faux conservatives play along with. The dems are at war with capital and they have never flinched on that. You play along with republican support of markets as causing collapse. It’s not true. Capitalism doesn’t cause crashes.
You have to parenthetically insert false content to the 2002 to make a pretense of your argument.
Dems caused the housing crisis and you’re defending their actions sickoflibs.
A few hours after I replied to this it dawned on me that budget bills, spending and taxes only, only require only the Senate majority votes not the 60 as long as they include no regulations. So to block the CR without his amendment he needs to round up 51 Senators, same # as to pass the CR with his amendment.(and Biden can vote on Dems side)
So he would need to round up every-single GOP Senator including McCain and Graham and a few Dem Senators to kill the CR (path to eventual shutdown) . But I bet Cruz is not even counting votes. I bet he has zero expectations that his amendment becomes law.
More-so is Reid even going to put that amendment up for a vote?
Thank you for this post. Message management means everything and Ted Cruz is nobody’s fool.
” I do support Ws path to citizenship policies. I dont think that is mutually exclusive with enforcement and clear identification of who is entering the country.”
I wish you had just come out at the beginning of this thread, and told us what you are. Now I wasted Sickoflib’s time . Don’t waste our time again.
” I recall the last time this came up just a few months ago a Bush-bot claimed that by 2006 or 2007 GWB had changed his mind 180 degrees on handing out those home loans to anyone who applied, so that made it OK.
Well by 2006 it was too late and 2007 it was WAY too late.”
I’ll speak freely as I see fit.
You should see if you can summon some refutation skills and stop trying to get others to do your bidding.
If you have an argument, make it. Otherwise, don’t feel the need to express the rules as to when I may speak or write on this fine forum.
Disagreement won’t hurt your mind as much as you fear.
Ha-Ha, that’s OK I find it entertaining .
he supports GWB amnesty but not Rubios??
You see him citing 4.7 % unemployment in 2007??
The stock market first started to show the effects of subprime forclosures in Sept 2007 and then unwound down through 2009 inspite of TARP bailout.
He picks the low peak, ~ 7 years into GWB presidency to avoid GWBs eighth year which was his last year when the chickens came home to Roost.
Is that Bush-bot Koolaid or what?
Sounds just like those libs on MSNBC defending Obama.
” He picks the low peak, ~ 7 years into GWB presidency to avoid GWBs eighth year which was his last year when the chickens came home to Roost.
Is that Bush-bot Koolaid or what?”
Just total dishonesty.
Maybe it's really Bush's *brain*...
I agree that a gov’t shutdown would be bad for the GOP.
The best bet, let Obamacare move forward and let the middle class get their 20% increases. In order to repeal and replace the people need to really be pissed off and demand it.
Then the GOP walks in and solves it and wins back the senate and WH.