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Government shutdown won't shut Obamacare: Report
CNN Money ^ | 08/05/2013 | Jennifer Liberto

Posted on 08/05/2013 8:52:23 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Edited on 08/05/2013 8:52:50 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

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To: sickoflibs

Indeed. You have no evidence.

You cite a 2002 speech as cause for the 2008 crash.

You ignore dems taking over congress in 2007. Mocking me as if frank persuaded bush to agree to the lack of proper limits. No. The dems took control of congress and the GSEs. Congress controls the GSEs. President can only recommend. Which bush did 17 times.

You ignore direct evidence where dems admit they caused the crisis. Frank quit congress over this.

You are not sick of libs. You are their great defender.

It is like blaming Coolidge for the depression—which dems do and faux conservatives play along with. The dems are at war with capital and they have never flinched on that. You play along with republican support of markets as causing collapse. It’s not true. Capitalism doesn’t cause crashes.

You have to parenthetically insert false content to the 2002 to make a pretense of your argument.

Dems caused the housing crisis and you’re defending their actions sickoflibs.


51 posted on 08/06/2013 5:05:09 AM PDT by lonestar67 (I remember when unemployment was 4.7 percent)
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To: susan_wv; WILLIALAL; SeekAndFind; stephenjohnbanker; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; Impy; BillyBoy
RE :”Cruz has authored a bill to attach to the CR that does, in fact, defund the entire Act. Anyone who thinks that Ted Cruz does not understand all the legal implications does not appreciate the legal intelligence of Senator Cruz — he is a brilliant lawyer and Constitutional scholar. “

A few hours after I replied to this it dawned on me that budget bills, spending and taxes only, only require only the Senate majority votes not the 60 as long as they include no regulations. So to block the CR without his amendment he needs to round up 51 Senators, same # as to pass the CR with his amendment.(and Biden can vote on Dems side)

So he would need to round up every-single GOP Senator including McCain and Graham and a few Dem Senators to kill the CR (path to eventual shutdown) . But I bet Cruz is not even counting votes. I bet he has zero expectations that his amendment becomes law.

More-so is Reid even going to put that amendment up for a vote?

52 posted on 08/06/2013 5:12:57 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US Citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: susan_wv

Thank you for this post. Message management means everything and Ted Cruz is nobody’s fool.


53 posted on 08/06/2013 5:17:46 AM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Army dad. And damned proud.)
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To: lonestar67; sickoflibs; Jane Long

” I do support W’s path to citizenship policies. I don’t think that is mutually exclusive with enforcement and clear identification of who is entering the country.”

I wish you had just come out at the beginning of this thread, and told us what you are. Now I wasted Sickoflib’s time . Don’t waste our time again.


54 posted on 08/06/2013 9:39:23 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (The only people in the world who fear Obama are American citizens. KILL THE BILL!)
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To: sickoflibs

” I recall the last time this came up just a few months ago a Bush-bot claimed that by 2006 or 2007 GWB had changed his mind 180 degrees on handing out those home loans to anyone who applied, so that made it OK.

Well by 2006 it was too late and 2007 it was WAY too late.”

Bingo!


55 posted on 08/06/2013 9:41:27 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (The only people in the world who fear Obama are American citizens. KILL THE BILL!)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

I’ll speak freely as I see fit.

You should see if you can summon some refutation skills and stop trying to get others to do your bidding.

If you have an argument, make it. Otherwise, don’t feel the need to express the rules as to when I may speak or write on this fine forum.

Disagreement won’t hurt your mind as much as you fear.


56 posted on 08/06/2013 10:05:46 AM PDT by lonestar67 (I remember when unemployment was 4.7 percent)
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To: stephenjohnbanker; Jane Long

Ha-Ha, that’s OK I find it entertaining .

he supports GWB amnesty but not Rubios??

You see him citing 4.7 % unemployment in 2007??
The stock market first started to show the effects of subprime forclosures in Sept 2007 and then unwound down through 2009 inspite of TARP bailout.

He picks the low peak, ~ 7 years into GWB presidency to avoid GWBs eighth year which was his last year when the chickens came home to Roost.

Is that Bush-bot Koolaid or what?
Sounds just like those libs on MSNBC defending Obama.


57 posted on 08/06/2013 10:38:56 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US Citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: sickoflibs

” He picks the low peak, ~ 7 years into GWB presidency to avoid GWBs eighth year which was his last year when the chickens came home to Roost.

Is that Bush-bot Koolaid or what?”

Just total dishonesty.


58 posted on 08/06/2013 10:45:17 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (The only people in the world who fear Obama are American citizens. KILL THE BILL!)
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To: sickoflibs; stephenjohnbanker; Karl Rove
Watch out!! You'll likely be called a faux conservative for calling out the hypocrisy!

Maybe it's really Bush's *brain*...

59 posted on 08/06/2013 10:49:12 AM PDT by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs stay silent.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I agree that a gov’t shutdown would be bad for the GOP.

The best bet, let Obamacare move forward and let the middle class get their 20% increases. In order to repeal and replace the people need to really be pissed off and demand it.

Then the GOP walks in and solves it and wins back the senate and WH.


60 posted on 08/06/2013 10:50:52 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: Jane Long; sickoflibs

” Watch out!! You’ll likely be called a faux conservative for calling out the hypocrisy!”

Yeah....only “faux conservatives” are against destroying the united states.....gotta remember that LOL!


61 posted on 08/06/2013 11:06:13 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (The only people in the world who fear Obama are American citizens. KILL THE BILL!)
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To: Jane Long; stephenjohnbanker
RE:”Watch out!! You'll likely be called a faux conservative for calling out the hypocrisy!

SJB pinged me because he knows I love tormenting the Bush-bots by reminding them of his real record, not their imaginary one. Many of them fled here in 2011 and many others still here dont mention GWB anymore short a ‘miss Bush yet’ thread they cant resist.

Bush's hands were all over the (his term) housing bubble and he could have stopped it in time ~ mid 2004 but the actions required would not have been popular. By late 2005 house prices had risen too- high too-fast to result in anything but disaster.

62 posted on 08/06/2013 11:09:12 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US Citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: sickoflibs; Jane Long

” Bush’s hands were all over the (his term) housing bubble and he could have stopped it in time ~ mid 2004 but the actions required would not have been popular. By late 2005 house prices had risen too- high too-fast to result in anything but disaster. “

It would not have been popular, to say the least, but it would have stopped the madness. Bush preferred to wring every ounce of political capital he could out of this. He ran from the problem, and then tried like hell to capitalize on it......especially with hispanics. Made me sick.


63 posted on 08/06/2013 11:25:12 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (The only people in the world who fear Obama are American citizens. KILL THE BILL!)
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To: stephenjohnbanker; Jane Long
There is lots of revisionist claims left from 2008 and 2009 about how Bush fought tooth and nail to cut back on risky loans but that no-good Bwany Fwank singlehandedly tied up the entire GOP congress in 2006, all by himself. Forget that 2006 was too late anyway.

If Bush had given a TARP speech in 2004 instead of 2008 calling for Regulations rather than the later bailout there would have been some unhappy investors and home owners and it would have been harder to be re-elected, but the damage would have been a small fraction of what it resulting in by letting the debt and house buying fever to continue.

A small panic from the speech would have stopped it, and many a few regulations would have been passed.

Getting rid of the down payment requirement was stupid.

64 posted on 08/06/2013 11:38:37 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US Citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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