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Two Sets of Rules For Obamacare The Ruling Class vs. the Serfs
Townhall.com ^ | August 5, 2013 | Morgan Brittany

Posted on 08/05/2013 9:56:07 AM PDT by Kaslin

It’s official, the United States has a Ruling Class and it is no longer being hidden or denied.  Obama and the Congress have just decided that they don’t want to play by the same rules as the rest of us. Big surprise that the Office of Personnel Management, under pressure from Capitol Hill and Obama, has said that they will issue a ruling that states government can keep making contributions to the health care premiums of members of Congress and their aides.  In other words, “we” the “serfs” will be paying for Congress and their staff to keep their “Cadillac health plans” and subsidies while we, the hard-working taxpayer lose ours or face enormous premium hikes.

Here is another example of how this administration and Congress randomly decide which laws they like and which ones they don’t. For those of us paying attention we remember that Sen. Chuck Grassley, (R-Iowa) added a clause into the original text of the Affordable Care Act that said members of Congress and their aides MUST be covered by plans created by the law or offered through an exchange.

Before Obamacare, Congress and their staff were covered by a health care plan that was considered “golden”.  This was being paid for by the taxpayers.  Under Obamacare and Grassley’s provision, Congress and staff would be subject to the exact same treatment as the rest of us. In other words, if government payments stopped, lawmakers and their aides would have been looking at thousands of dollars in additional premium payments.  (Just like the rest of us.)  Before Obamacare, the government contributed almost 75% to their premium payments.

When they finally got around to “finding out what was in the bill”, Capitol Hill started wringing their hands and hyperventilating.  With Grassley’s provision in there, that would mean that, gasp, they would have to live by the same rules as the rest of and they just could not let that happen.

All sorts of complaints were being made. For instance, “staffers don’t make enough money to pay those premiums”; or “they will look for more lucrative jobs” in order to afford them.  Really?  How about the rest of the American people out there?  Do you think that they can afford higher premiums on the part-time work that they now will be forced into because of employer cut-backs?  The best line came from Nancy Pelosi who said that if Congress lost these Capitol Hill workers, a “tremendous intellectual resource” would be lost.  You just have to shake your head in disbelief.

Congress is not the only one in the Ruling Class crying foul.  Just last week, IRS Chief, Daniel Werfel stated in no uncertain terms that he wanted to keep his health care and didn’t want any part of Obamacare.  That also went for the rest of the IRS.  The unions began making noise a few weeks ago and I will bet you dollars to donuts they will get their wishes granted by King Obama.

This just proves the hypocrisy of Washington and it is why the American people are at the breaking point.  We did not elect these people to make up their own rules as they see fit; to change the laws to benefit them and not us.  We also didn’t elect the President to sign executive orders to get his way just because Congress didn’t agree with him.

When will this madness stop?  Just when you think they can’t stick it to you again….they do.  How much will we take before it’s time for another revolution?


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government
KEYWORDS: 0carenightmare; 113th; bho44; brittany; congressobamacare; elitists; morganbrittany; obamacare; rulingclass; serfs
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1 posted on 08/05/2013 9:56:07 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin
When will this madness stop? Just when you think they can’t stick it to you again….they do. How much will we take before it’s time for another revolution?

I believe one or two or a handful of states will secede from the self-proclaimed "progressive" oligarchy, followed by more in short order. We'll reassert our original Constitution and restore our lost constitutional republic.

2 posted on 08/05/2013 10:01:43 AM PDT by Standing Wolf
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To: Kaslin

These were the same rules applied by the nomenlkatura in the USSR.


3 posted on 08/05/2013 10:02:12 AM PDT by henkster (The 0bama regime isn't a train wreck, it's a B 17 raid on the rail yard.)
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To: Kaslin

Yeah, the “ruling class” live in Washington. The rest of us are the serfs.

Didn’t the Yankess take on the forces of George III to avert this situation?


4 posted on 08/05/2013 10:05:08 AM PDT by Jack Hammer (American)
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To: Kaslin
No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Note that the Fourteenth Amendment does not prohibit CONGRESS from ignoring the equal protection clause.

5 posted on 08/05/2013 10:05:09 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (Islam offers choices: convert, submit, or die.)
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To: henkster

Inner Party (rulers) as opposed to the happy masses of serfs (Outer Party, proletariat).


6 posted on 08/05/2013 10:10:12 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Standing Wolf

Seceession will be:

Arizona
New Mexico
Texas
Louisiana
Alabama
Mississippi
Florida
N/S Carolina
Georgia
Virginia fragments
W Virginia
Ohio fragments
Indiana
Illinois fragments
Pennsylvania fragments
Missouri
Kansas
Oklahoma
Nevada
Colorado fragments
Idaho
Montana
Wyoming
N/S Dakota
Iowa
Michigan


7 posted on 08/05/2013 10:11:06 AM PDT by DownInFlames
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To: Kaslin
When my wife retired from the VA in 1995, she was able to keep one of those "golden" healthcare plans--and I agree, that is a pretty good description of it--so I can certainly see why government officials would not wish to abdicate such a plan. (Actually, it is from a menu of plans, offered each year to government workers.)

Still, there is surely a great deal of hypocrisy attendant to the view that ObamaCare is good enough for the masses--just not good enough for government employees...

8 posted on 08/05/2013 10:11:13 AM PDT by AmericanExceptionalist (Democrats believe in discussing the full spectrum of ideas, all the way from far left to center-left)
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To: Kaslin
All us taxpayers will soon find out that all of our properties will be confiscated & there will be no backlash. Zombies all.
9 posted on 08/05/2013 10:11:41 AM PDT by Digger
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To: Kaslin
Actually, it's three sets of rules and they are pretty simple

One for the Elite - no rules

Another for the Producers - obey us, follow the rules ( they make the rules up as they go) and work or you don't eat

Another for the Takers - vote to keep us in power and be the muscle to intimidate the Producers to stay in their place. In return you get free things, all the drugs, booze and cable TV you want and very few rules.

Welcome to the new Ruling Coalition of Elites and Underclass Obama and the Democrats are manufacturing.

Notice how the Labor Unions Phone calls don't get returned now that Obama has won re election and how Trumpka is re tooling the AFL/CIO to be a Union of Welfare recipients and not workers?

The new dynamic in American Politics is not Liberal vs Conservative or Blue Donkey Vs Red Elephant - it's Makers vs Takers, Producers vs Parasites and Self Reliance and responsibility vs Dependence and irresponsibility

The Democrats used to profess to be for the working guy, but now fewer and fewer of the constituencies of the Democrat Party wants to actually work or has any intention to do anything that looks like real work.

10 posted on 08/05/2013 10:15:40 AM PDT by rdcbn
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To: Kaslin

America no longer has the rule of law. Oh. We have plenty of laws, but they’re selectively enforced. I’m not surprised. Our country’s problems are moral ones. Millions upon millions of Americans are in open rebellion against God. What makes anyone think rebels have any respect whatsoever for law? They don’t.

America’s success is largely due to the moral behavior of its citizens. That moral behavior was expressed in laws that were generally followed. Take away the morality and rule of law and we’re living in a third world country.

If you want to get something done in most countries, you pay off the right people and you can do what you want. That’s also why most countries are economic wrecks. Who wants to build a business if someone else is going to come in and use government to steal your profits or regulate you out of existence?

I know who the true rebels are, and they’re running our government.


11 posted on 08/05/2013 10:17:18 AM PDT by CitizenUSA (Why celebrate evil? Evil is easy. Good is the goal worth striving for.)
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12 posted on 08/05/2013 10:23:22 AM PDT by RedMDer (http://www.dontfundobamacare.com/)
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To: Kaslin

I will restate my rant:

When I lose my policy, I will not sign up for the exchanges. When they send the fine, I will not pay it. Eventually, they MUST issue a warrant to arrest me for not paying the fines and when they do, I will ignore its command. Eventually, they will have to act to enforce that warrant and then they will knock on my door, when they do I will not answer it. Eventually, they will be forced to kick the door in and when they do they will be met with resistance and they will pay a price.

Of course, I know that I will pay the ultimate price, but they must be willing to shoot me dead in order to mandate their health insurance utopia. It is that way with every one of their desires, but this one is my bright line.


13 posted on 08/05/2013 10:31:32 AM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the Dave Ramsey Ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: Jack Hammer

The neo-aristocracy want to import multi-millions of serfs to keep serf wages low and expectations of any damned middle class remaining in the nation very low.

Political or financial power buys entry into the neo-aristocracy. In consolidating their in-group by making it nearly impossible for others to rise to it, a safe prediction might be that they would be a classic aristocracy in a few more generations.


14 posted on 08/05/2013 10:53:56 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: CitizenUSA
I know who the true rebels are, and they’re running our government.

This realization generates an interesting question:
If they are rebelling against the law [the Constitution], then does the law protect them*?


* Defacto Officer doctrine, legal artifices protecting their own (link), etc.

15 posted on 08/05/2013 10:57:22 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: CSM
Of course, I know that I will pay the ultimate price, but they must be willing to shoot me dead in order to mandate their health insurance utopia. It is that way with every one of their desires, but this one is my bright line.

Not quite, as I understand it Obamacare gives government the ability to go into your bank-account and directly take the monies.

16 posted on 08/05/2013 10:59:19 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Kaslin; Grampa Dave; tubebender; Carry_Okie; budwiesest; Randy Larsen; NormsRevenge; ...
The leading headline in my Sacramento BEE was:"DANGER! 'Cadillac Tax' AHEAD!" This link takes you to the obscure blog spot "The State Worker" part of the BEE's webside and still you must scroll down to the 2nd article to find what our "Ruling Class" in the Crapitol of CA are all scared spitless about!!!
17 posted on 08/05/2013 11:00:21 AM PDT by SierraWasp (I pledge to the USSA & 2 the democrazy for witch it stands, a nation with liberalism & misery 4 all!)
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To: Kaslin

America gets a caste system


18 posted on 08/05/2013 11:00:35 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: Kaslin

Gee, did they not just proclaim that for it to work, everyone had to be on it ?


19 posted on 08/05/2013 11:03:34 AM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: Kaslin

I think this rule would not survive a supreme court challenge as it clearly circumvents the law. Not to mention exemptions violate equal treatment under the law


20 posted on 08/05/2013 11:05:08 AM PDT by y6162
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To: Kaslin

They have nothing but scorn for the people who go out and work and pay exorbitant taxes to pay for their rich lifestyle.

The ruling class deserves our scorn.


21 posted on 08/05/2013 11:05:25 AM PDT by I want the USA back (There's no autocorrect for stupidity.)
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To: Kaslin

All federal employees will end up being exempted I guess


22 posted on 08/05/2013 11:07:41 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: Kaslin

@SultanKnish, best description of the woeful history of “A Schizophrenic Elephant” http://sultanknish.blogspot.com.au/2013/08/a-schizophrenic-elephant.html

The Republican Party’s biggest problem is mental illness. The big elephant party is suffering from a severe case of split personality disorder. It’s an old problem that has only gotten worse over the years.

It can be hard to remember sometimes while swimming in the media bubble that depicts the Republican Party as some offshoot of the John Birch Society, the KKK and the Confederacy, that it’s the exact opposite. All of the organizations mentioned got their start opposing the Republican Party....spent generations running on Lincoln, the Civil War and Unionism. It followed the politics of what would much later be described as Eisenhowerism. And those politics were reasonably successful. Big government and big business got along really well. Industries boomed, land was opened up and a big country got bigger and bigger. Not everyone was happy, but not everyone mattered......


23 posted on 08/05/2013 11:14:55 AM PDT by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: Kaslin

Willard on installing ObamaCARE/RomneyCARE:
"Conservatives are such fools.
Their childrens' organs will be ours."

24 posted on 08/05/2013 11:15:45 AM PDT by Diogenesis
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To: SierraWasp
Percent of project complete: 41 percent
Time frame: 1999-2000 to 2013-2014 (14 years)

No kidding.

Let's see, fourteen years to do the job (the equipment and software with which they started is long obsolete), one year to finish, and they're 41% done (which is probably BS).

Yep, they're right up to speed.

25 posted on 08/05/2013 11:16:33 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (Islam offers choices: convert, submit, or die.)
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To: Kaslin

A law must apply to all, or be invalid.

No one has the right to ‘waive’ provisions of a law, or to grant ‘exemptions.’ Doing so is actually selective enforcement, which also renders a law invalid.


26 posted on 08/05/2013 11:20:07 AM PDT by I want the USA back (There's no autocorrect for stupidity.)
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To: OneWingedShark

“Not quite, as I understand it Obamacare gives government the ability to go into your bank-account and directly take the monies.”

I agree and I am trying to figure out how to stop that....I already under pay my taxes to ensure that they will not take it out of a refund, but I am not sure how to protect my savings.


27 posted on 08/05/2013 11:24:12 AM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the Dave Ramsey Ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: Standing Wolf

The Supreme Court ruled that ObamaCare was a tax. So essentially the OPM is going to pay these people’s “health care” tax.

What’s next, OPM paying their federal income taxes? Capital gains taxes?

Can’t the We the People sue under the equal protection clause?


28 posted on 08/05/2013 11:25:16 AM PDT by kevao (Biblical Jesus: Give your money to the poor. Socialist Jesus: Give your neighbor's money to the poor)
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To: Kaslin
Two Sets of Rules For Obamacare – The Ruling Class vs. the Serfs

Either 0bamacare is a "TAX" as specified by the SCOTUS and everyone is subject to it, or it is not, and therefore unconstitutional.

29 posted on 08/05/2013 11:25:23 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (A Quiet Rage is Building All Across America!)
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To: Standing Wolf

Texas, Oklahoma, & spreading up and outward.


30 posted on 08/05/2013 11:26:07 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: DownInFlames

Or, we could just put walls around the cities and make them their own non-contiguous state.


31 posted on 08/05/2013 11:26:52 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: justa-hairyape

Same way they excuse Al Gore for his private jet use...

as long as it’s only the elite few that are given the option, it can “work” if no one else is given the choice.


32 posted on 08/05/2013 11:28:00 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: OneWingedShark

Well, it’s quite the conundrum. What do you do when the lawmakers and enforcers are the lawbreakers? It’s easy to deal with corruption on an individual basis, but what do you do when most lawmakers are above the law? Constitution protections, for example, are worthless if all three branches collude to ignore them.

We like to think our leaders respect the law, but it’s clear they don’t. Democrats and many Republicans believe they can pretty much do whatever they please—AND THEY DO!

Like I wrote. The DHS says bitter clingers are potential rebels. I KNOW who the real rebels are, and they’re running the country! I don’t know what we can do about it, but I know, and they know, they’re in open rebellion. That’s what happens when statists reach the point where they control all the levers of power. They don’t even need to be surreptitious about it anymore.


33 posted on 08/05/2013 12:45:05 PM PDT by CitizenUSA (Why celebrate evil? Evil is easy. Good is the goal worth striving for.)
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To: CitizenUSA
I think the best way to do it would be to give them a proverbial poke with a stick. They have so much prideful arrogance that I am sure they cannot avoid reacting to any challenge to their usurped authority, even if they know full-well that such reaction is unlawful/illegal.

As an example, read this. And after you do, ask yourself if the Federal government could stand to leave such a governor/state alone? (Especially if they demand Article 4, Section 4 of the US Constitution be followed, compelling the FedGov to provide assistance expelling invaders.)

34 posted on 08/05/2013 12:52:07 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Kaslin

I am believing that every damn one of us deserve to lose our freedom. We are allowing the Obama administration to violate every right we have. There is no anger or outrage. Sometimes I wonder what we are all waiting for.

In fact, that is a good question. What are we waiting for? What do they have to do to get us riled enough to do something about it?

They are going full bore because they sense that we are not going to do much about anything they do to us. They are going to take your guns. Then it will be too late.


35 posted on 08/05/2013 1:00:01 PM PDT by dforest (BR)
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To: Carry_Okie
No... no! I wanted you to read the 2nd article about the "'Cadillac Tax,'" not the 1st one about taking care of old people.

Your comment was a good one, of course, but I pinged you to point out the GovernMental yoonyuns freakin out over ObamaMamaCare creatin a new tax on alla them there GovernMental "Workers" in the "Workers Paradice of CA!"

36 posted on 08/05/2013 1:36:50 PM PDT by SierraWasp (I pledge to the USSA & 2 the democrazy for witch it stands, a nation with liberalism & misery 4 all!)
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To: CSM

Actually, Obamacare gives them first dibs at your bank account—even before you! You won’t have the option of not paying the fine or premium—they’ll take it out first.


37 posted on 08/05/2013 1:41:23 PM PDT by dinodino
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To: dforest
I am believing that every damn one of us deserve to lose our freedom. We are allowing the Obama administration to violate every right we have.

Some agree with you.

“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.
— Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago

Sometimes I wonder what we are all waiting for.
In fact, that is a good question. What are we waiting for? What do they have to do to get us riled enough to do something about it?

Excellent question: I think we're living in the tale of the Emperor's New clothes where nobody wants to say the obvious truth.
I think much of this is due to indoctrination by the schools: those in authority deserve to be in authority because if they were unfit for it they would not be in that position, but they are in that position so any question of their authority is, obviously, incorrect.

This is also evident in how the Several States are rolling over for every assumed authority that the FedGov declares it has. (See Wickard, Raich, Kelo, Affordable Care Act, Arizona's SB1070 — in addition to: Fast & Furious, IRS Targeting, NSA spying, and so forth.)

What is astounding is that Governors have a lot of power, and yet they refuse to act on it. Of 48 letters sent and [presumably 47, as one was NKA,] read I have received 4 replies, none of which indicate that the letter was really read by the Governor.

38 posted on 08/05/2013 1:52:58 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: SierraWasp
No... no! I wanted you to read the 2nd article about the "'Cadillac Tax,'" not the 1st one about taking care of old people.

By the time I got there, the Cadillac tax was the third on the list.

39 posted on 08/05/2013 2:06:37 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (Islam offers choices: convert, submit, or die.)
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To: DownInFlames

Also Utah & Arkansas.


40 posted on 08/05/2013 3:04:36 PM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: Carry_Okie

Congress is a district, and is therefore exempt from federal laws. I am not condoning this, but this has been the argument from early on.

This is why they can smoke in a federal building, but you or I cannot.


41 posted on 08/05/2013 4:08:24 PM PDT by esoxmagnum (The rats have been trained to pull the D voting lever to get their little food pellet)
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To: OneWingedShark

Thank you for that post. I totally agree.

I have a niece. She has two teens and a great hubby who works his ass off everyday. They know this is happening, but she says that if they stand up they could lose the life they now have in a home on a golf course on a lake in a very nice community.(she has yet to realize it will all be gone soon anyway) They know it, but they cannot believe it. And what if they are wrong? What can they do alone?

You see how it works. I understand to a degree. I am a little over 60. I always knew something like is happening now could happen. But you see, I never dreamed it would happen in my lifetime. I never gave it much thought. So, even I have a hard time believing that this cannot be changed by the next election. It can’t and won’t. That is the hard reality. This isn’t about party politics. This is about the US as a country. Our politicians pay no attention to the fact they have abandoned the Constitution. It is all about winning power, not the country. This is why they are useless and cannot be counted on for anything other than feathering their own nests.

The American people are a cash cow to be pillaged and enslaved. Just think of the thievery that has happened in the last 10 years.

The fact this horror is going on unchecked and without public outrage and a demand these people be prosecuted is absolutely breathtaking.

I can see how it happened, but geez, what can be done?


42 posted on 08/05/2013 4:33:35 PM PDT by dforest (BR)
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To: dforest
Well, there's letters; which I am thinking of redoing and this time packaging to the several States's legislature — my greatest concern, however, is that any letter will be intercepted and destroyed/curtailed by an information-gatekeeper. (i.e. like that low-level manager you can't get around to talk to the boss about something important.) Letters, having dubious effect and costing money, a very limited resource for me, ATM may not be the best way to go.

Then there's also forcing issues: I've been tempted, at times, to open carry into the local county courthouse. Tes, there's a sign there that says weapons are prohibited, but here's the thing: the State Constitution specifically prohibits counties or municipalities from regulating in any way the right to keep and bear arms — in addition to prohibiting any law from abridging the right of the citizen to keep and bear arms for security and defense. —— That's of dubious impact precisely because governments at all levels are ignoring the Constitution[s].

Then there's the prep mentality: get arms, intel-networks, logistics, and so forth ready for a new civil war. (Or, perhaps, a time where people disappear to camps.)

I think there's a massive, massive psychological operation going on. All aimed at inserting one thought into the general population: you are weak and can do nothing.
The best way to counter this is to do something, you are not weak and useless, this is what your enemy wants you to believe.
43 posted on 08/05/2013 4:47:57 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: ridesthemiles

I also forgot Kentucky and Tennessee.


44 posted on 08/05/2013 4:56:50 PM PDT by DownInFlames
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To: OneWingedShark

I agree, but you see, there is a cost for freedom. I think we may have to give up something to save it. Just think, if the people stayed home from work for 1 week, the leeches may not get their booty. Of course, neither would we.

Question is, who is ready for it? If we hit the streets like folks do in other countries, it may make a difference, but I think people are afraid this corrupt regime would just mow them down. People are not hungry enough like they are in Egypt and that is where they get us. We are sitting back waiting...and waiting.


45 posted on 08/05/2013 5:09:29 PM PDT by dforest (BR)
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To: dforest
I agree, but you see, there is a cost for freedom. I think we may have to give up something to save it. Just think, if the people stayed home from work for 1 week, the leeches may not get their booty. Of course, neither would we.

I've been staying home for about a year now. (And out of a job for months.) — at this point though, if it means crushing the hopes and dreams of the evil and unjust men, well, that sounds very attractive to me.

Question is, who is ready for it? If we hit the streets like folks do in other countries, it may make a difference, but I think people are afraid this corrupt regime would just mow them down. People are not hungry enough like they are in Egypt and that is where they get us. We are sitting back waiting...and waiting.

There's more than enough to smack FedGov down. Take, for instance the following:

  1. 18 USC § 241 - Conspiracy against rights
  2. 18 USC § 242 - Deprivation of rights under color of law
  3. 18 USC § 372 - Conspiracy to impede or injure officer
  4. 18 USC § 872 - Extortion by officers or employees of the United States
  5. 18 USC § 873 - Blackmail
  6. 18 USC § 875 - Interstate communications
  7. 18 USC § 1516 - Obstruction of Federal audit
  8. 18 USC § 1801 - Video voyeurism
  9. 18 USC Chapter 96 - RACKETEER INFLUENCED AND CORRUPT ORGANIZATIONS
  10. 18 USC Chapter 109 - SEARCHES AND SEIZURES
  11. 18 USC § 2261A - Stalking
  12. 18 USC Chapter 119 - WIRE AND ELECTRONIC COMMUNICATIONS INTERCEPTION AND INTERCEPTION OF ORAL COMMUNICATIONS
I'm fairly sure that all of them could be applied to the NSA, corporately and individually against agents/employees. (Esp. considering how they're refusing to make their operations known to Congress; and there is evidence that they are using [or providing] information to blackmail/extort congress.)

So, what would happen if we were mad enough to demand Grand Juries start investigating the NSA; they still have the power of Presentment and, if the judiciary/DA refuses to honor presentments apply #2 and #3 against him and proceed to take both cases up the chain. — of course, there is the slight problem that I don't know how to get a hold of a grand jury.

46 posted on 08/05/2013 5:23:47 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Carry_Okie
Which goes to my whole and original point of the fact that in the BEE newswrack the top headline was this 'Cadillac Tax' article aimed at the attention of the government workers/troops to get them to seek the next exception as the congressional staffers just got but this time for relief from the "tax" that was the basis for the erreoneous Roberts decision in June of 2012.

It seemed both ironic and a possible new trend for governmental unions to try, all triggered by the BEE, which also hides the online version with the devilish details in their .gov employees blog!

Then tonight Barbara Boxer is being covered by KOVR in Sacramento campaigning for ObamaMommaCare just like Obama will be doing in So. CA tonight and tomorrow! If it's already a law, why are they campaigning so hard for it while making illegal exceptions to it??? It's just so sureal and banana republican IMO!!!

Oh well...

47 posted on 08/05/2013 8:38:28 PM PDT by SierraWasp (I pledge to the USSA & 2 the democrazy for witch it stands, a nation with liberalism & misery 4 all!)
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Doesn’t the government handing out exemptions on a discretionary basis belie the idea that this is a tax? What happened to the equal protection clause?


48 posted on 08/05/2013 9:04:49 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (Islam offers choices: convert, submit, or die.)
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To: Carry_Okie

I guess it’s gone out the window of our now banana republic due to affirmative action due to white liberal guilt due to political correctness by labor supported liberals run amok and now it’s “coming home to roost” on the backs of the private sector unions and even maybe to public sector unions who will scream till the executive branch finally lets the babies have their milk like was just given to the congressional staffers including those who composed the extreme provisions of the stupid ObamaCare law that’s being illegaly ignored by the executive branch!!!


49 posted on 08/05/2013 9:43:04 PM PDT by SierraWasp (I pledge to the USSA & 2 the democrazy for witch it stands, a nation with liberalism & misery 4 all!)
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To: Carry_Okie
First MSM coverage I seen or heard since it happened last week!!!
50 posted on 08/05/2013 9:47:15 PM PDT by SierraWasp (I pledge to the USSA & 2 the democrazy for witch it stands, a nation with liberalism & misery 4 all!)
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