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Congress Exempt from Obamacare in Last-Minute Deal
CBN News ^ | 5 Aug 13 | CBN

Posted on 08/05/2013 11:26:07 AM PDT by xzins

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To: X-spurt

And this is from Forbes:

“U.S. Senator Tom Coburn, one of the strongest voices against Obamacare in the Senate, had been asking for a bill to amend the law to protect staffers’ health benefits. A legislative amendment would have forced Republicans to vote for a “fix” to the law that they have pledged to repeal – and for the benefit of political staff, instead of citizens! Despite this, the President decided to shun the legislative process. This is the second incident in as many weeks.”

http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2013/08/03/executive-nullification-why-obama-wont-allow-congress-to-legalize-his-changes-to-ppaca/


101 posted on 08/05/2013 4:29:39 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: Windflier
Seriously. Did you learn that from Obama? I just quoted verifiable historical facts from recent history to you, and you brush them off like I'm making it all up.

Like I said - apples and bowling balls. An invasion force to drive from power a foreign regime and a people being subjugated to 'fundamental transformation' BY their own government ELECTED by duped ignoramuses and ideologues - are totally different sets of 'facts' in relation to history and how a domestic people react to them.

If the Russkies or Norks parachuted into the country to conquer us via a Red Dawn scenario - then I would fully agree with your assessment of how we would react and the invaders wold not stand a freaking chance against the firepower of the citizenry.

But we're not talking about an invasion force of foreigners - we're talking about a rogue government that more than half this nation thinks is legitimate - and all it's unConstitutional acts and decrees are THE LAW OF THE LAND.

1930s Germany was very different than today's America,

Not by much. We're further down the road of debt insanity than Weimar was. The difference here is, Hitler CAPITALIZED on an opportunity to take total power. Obama and the MarxoFascists are CREATING THE OPPORTUNITY.

Until a dictatorial U.S. President figures out how to get the estimated 300,000,000 firearms out of the hands of 100,000,000 citizens, it doesn't matter how badly he wants to subjugate us through force. It can't be done.

We simply haven't hit our breaking point. The real pain and suffering hasn't hit us where we live yet. When it does, all bets are off.

The MarxoFascists are counting on it - that is why they are creating that scenario. Chaos and bloodshed will have the people screaming for someone to put things back to 'normal' and they will trade their birthright for a promise of bread.

Jefferson understood a crucial fact of human nature as noted in the Constitution "all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed."

We are already becoming accustomed to tyranny. Any talk of resisting it is met with exclamations of incredulity and pronouncements of mental instability.

And it will, because today's crop of left-liberals doesn't know when to let up. They see what they think is the finish line, and they've abandoned their old modus operandi, which was a slow and steady, incrementalism.

Absolutely and positively correct. I think they are already there. I contend that they will make that last mistake - and at that moment we will be justified to resist by any and all means possible.

In the bargain, they've awakened the people, who are showing their alarm by pushing firearms sales into unprecedented ranges.

We will see whether or not this people have the long-term stomach for resistance. I'm sorry to say I have my doubts, we're too soft, fat and lazy - I learned that lesson myself being in a 3rd world hellhole. There is only so much we will suffer and endure because of our comfortable lives.

They're not stupid. They know we're going to snap, and they intend to be ready for it, but it's a fool's errand. The combined military forces of the planet can't overcome an armed citizenry 100 million strong, unless they resort to bombing the whole country back to the stone age.

Control the food, water, transportation and communications and organs of commerce - and you do not need to bomb a country into submission. You can starve them into it. Impoverish them into it. All under the color of law.

I'd say they're screwed any way you want to look at it.

Give us liberty or give us death... yes? We may have one option of liberty left us before it's all done - and that is to decide how we are going to go out. On our knees in a camp - or standing and dying free.

The Obama regime is not going to tolerate any dissent as time goes on, and they will use everything from food and water to all the EO's and laws to enforce it's will - all "legally". Just as John Roberts decreed ObamaCare to be.

102 posted on 08/05/2013 4:58:49 PM PDT by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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103 posted on 08/05/2013 5:11:31 PM PDT by RedMDer (http://www.dontfundobamacare.com/)
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To: INVAR

bump


104 posted on 08/05/2013 5:19:36 PM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: xzins

So so tired of getting mad all the time. One of these days my head is going to explode.


105 posted on 08/05/2013 5:28:26 PM PDT by diamond6 (Behold this Heart which has so loved men!" Jesus to St. Margaret Mary)
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To: INVAR
Like I said - apples and bowling balls. An invasion force to drive from power a foreign regime and a people being subjugated to 'fundamental transformation' BY their own government ELECTED by duped ignoramuses and ideologues - are totally different sets of 'facts' in relation to history and how a domestic people react to them.

I agree, but that's not what you claimed. You even threw up a bunch of photos from the police manhunt after the Boston Marathon bombing to 'prove' your point that the American people will not resist a U.S. force of jack booted thugs sent to militarily suppress them.

That was disingenuous on your part, because the people of Boston voluntarily complied with what was, at the time, a government force sent to protect their lives and safety. Had that same force been sent to subjugate them through violent measures, you would have seen an entirely different response.

I will posit that the closest analog to what would happen in a martial law scenario, is the response of the thirteen colonies to the repression of the British Crown. It's not a perfect comparison, but I believe the energy and dynamics would be very similar.

In fact, they'd be much worse for the ruling class this time around, due to the fact that their jack boots would be ordered to exert violence against their fellow citizens. In the time of the revolution, the British forces probably considered the colonists to be 'the other'.

Not so with American forces of today. Their loyalties would be instantly torn by such an order, which would automatically produce mutiny up and down the ranks, and across every branch of service. An effort to impose martial law would more than likely stall right there.

But I digress. I'm addressing your original contention here, which I believe is faulty. Any attempt to subjugate the American people by force, will be met with an historic level of armed resistance. Given the lopsided odds, I wouldn't want to be a federal jack boot when it goes down. It won't end well for them.

If it ever even happens at all, which I seriously doubt.

106 posted on 08/05/2013 5:36:07 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: xzins

Well isn’t that special.


107 posted on 08/05/2013 6:53:53 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: Windflier
You even threw up a bunch of photos from the police manhunt after the Boston Marathon bombing to 'prove' your point that the American people will not resist a U.S. force of jack booted thugs sent to militarily suppress them.

Those pictures speak to that particular point more accurately than anything I can write. The American people ALREADY have proven they will not resist every effort to suppress and subjugate them - From Watertown to TSA checkpoints to Safety checkpoints to dynamic SWAT entries by cops without warrants claiming exigent circumstances - the American people suffer such evil - WILLINGLY.

You wanna fly anywhere? Then we have to be willing to be humiliated, stripped, searched, and be herded like cattle through security checkpoints.

Wanna drive anywhere? The we have to be willing to be stopped, questioned, searched and be herded like cattle through security checkpoints.

You getting any of this yet? Is it sinking in to how far we've already fallen?

That was disingenuous on your part, because the people of Boston voluntarily complied with what was, at the time, a government force sent to protect their lives and safety.

You just made my entire point by your statement. History teaches that every despotic leader and regime subjugating their own people was ALWAYS done under the guise of safety and security.

We are ALREADY being conditioned to live under militarized occupation as those pictures I posted above prove without question. You are free to call it compliance for security or whatever you want. Those SWAT teams did NOTHING to keep those Watertown residents safe, and in fact they did not locate the Jihadists there at all. Those brothers were found by ACCIDENT and blind sheer luck.

Had ANYONE dared to demand a warrant and refused entry to their home in Watertown - they would have been shot, bagged and tagged and everyone would have applauded what a great job the cops did to keep everyone safe. Same thing the Gestapo was able to do with impunity and applause. I'm sure there are stories of the NKVD and the Stasi having similar abilities and stories.

If you want to go pretend that the American people will resist being under military subjugation - be my guest. Those Watertown pictures prove to me, that if its done under the color of law or in the name of safety and security - this people will readily submit to whatever is demanded of them and they'll never even realize it's the same as if they were subjugated violently - the end result is the same.

In fact, they'd be much worse for the ruling class this time around, due to the fact that their jack boots would be ordered to exert violence against their fellow citizens. In the time of the revolution, the British forces probably considered the colonists to be 'the other'.

In the mid 1860's - our government had no problem sending troops to invade other states, and families had no problem taking up arms against one another and exerting extreme violence. So I do not know where this idea that such a horror could never happen here again, comes from. Cognitive dissonance I guess.

Not so with American forces of today. Their loyalties would be instantly torn by such an order, which would automatically produce mutiny up and down the ranks, and across every branch of service. An effort to impose martial law would more than likely stall right there.

You are making a gross mis-assumption. DHS, and Obama's army will have no such scruples. Neither will all the other alphabets. Given what Obama has done with the gay issue in the military and the ROE in the sandboxes - I'd be careful about putting your faith in yet another corrupted institution or assume a desperate and hungry military will not follow orders for the promise of bread, same as the rest.

In fact, if you talk to any current or recent Army or Marine serviceperson, they will tell you that an American military base stateside is the most disarmed place they could ever be. I'm told it is to prevent any chance of a military coup from taking place. The protocols for sidearms and weaponry on military personnel is so ridiculous and stringent that it is no wonder to me why that Jihadist at Fort Hood chose that place to wage his terrorism. As I was told, American military bases Stateside are "gun-free zones" except on the firing line - and those caches are more heavily guarded than anything else.

Any attempt to subjugate the American people by force, will be met with an historic level of armed resistance. Given the lopsided odds, I wouldn't want to be a federal jack boot when it goes down. It won't end well for them.

You're assuming Obama is just going to one day declare martial law and give shoot-to-kill orders for lack of obeisance. Doesn't work that way. The American people are ALREADY being conditioned to accept force and the threat of force for 'safety' and security reasons. How many pets get shot by militarized cops nowadays? How about terrorized residents who are unfortunate to get trigger happy cops kicking down their doors at a wrong house call or because some cop declares an exigent circumstance? DUI and sobriety checkpoints? Papers Please?

Do you honestly believe we are not already being conditioned to be subjugated? People cheer it. I just heard that Eric Holder put in a request to take over Apple Computer and run their iTunes store because Obama contends they are ripping people off. Who is going to stop that when they do so?

What about when they declare your church a bunch of child molesters and terrorists? You think anyone is going to come to defend you when the tanks and APCs show up?

Under the guise of safety and security - the people will applaud their subjugation, and even go so far as to say the armed jackboots are there to protect their lives and safety.

Human nature is one that prefers slavery to liberty. The government did not get this large and powerful because people love liberty. They love security and the notion of safety and will surrender birthrights for such. When hungry they will sell it for the promise of soup.

Human nature and history are speaking to these issues. It does not serve us at all to ignore them and beat our chests with bravado when there is plenty for us to consider the ground upon which we stand and our enemy is occupying.

108 posted on 08/05/2013 7:03:43 PM PDT by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: xzins

Even that work around is illegal. The department that provides the funding doesn’t have the legal authority to do it.

Another example of how we no longer have a functioning legal system. Laws are made up and enforced or ignored as circumstances warrant for the elite.

You people do understand what options remain for the people now that we have rulers rather than representatives?

One is subservience. You can figure out the other.


109 posted on 08/05/2013 7:07:42 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there)
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To: INVAR
Those pictures speak to that particular point more accurately than anything I can write. The American people ALREADY have proven they will not resist every effort to suppress and subjugate them

Ok, you've completely left the conversation now, and are just reflexively throwing everything you can think of at me to 'win' an argument.

Your reply above makes absolutely no sense in the context of what we've just previously discussed.

For the second (or is it third) time, the police force that swarmed Watertown after the Boston Marathon bombing, was there to apprehend the bombers, who were at that time, a menace to the public safety. The community there willingly cooperated with them in the interests of their own security.

That force was NOT sent in to militarily subjugate that community. If they had been, you would have seen violent resistance on the part of those people.

And now I've had my fill of this. I can't talk to you if you're going to deny known facts and slip away from answering direct questions that test your assertions.

110 posted on 08/05/2013 7:54:28 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: xzins

Ok, you pull one name, where are all the others you alleged?

Secondly, your link doesn’t say much about Coburn’s trying to work a special nobamacare deal for Congress and instead clarifies that nobama is trying to pull another fast move, which the timing of the leak or announcement just happens to put conservative Congress folks in a poor light.

None of us like this socialized medicine BS and it is upsetting to be told “our” Congress people are working against us behind the scenes, but I can see through this smear for what it really is, hope others can as well. Don’t buy into this!


111 posted on 08/05/2013 7:56:15 PM PDT by X-spurt (Ready for the CRUZ missle.)
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To: xzins

Don’t believe Politico or any other dem sympathizers, they are not our friends.


112 posted on 08/05/2013 7:58:15 PM PDT by X-spurt (Ready for the CRUZ missle.)
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To: xzins

“Why should we have to suffer with all that ObamaCare nonsense?!” - Senator Foghorn.


113 posted on 08/05/2013 8:42:12 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Senator Foghorn says, You should never resist being raped, robbed, beat down or murdered.)
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To: Sioux-san
I think our PINO and Holder have shown us a number of times that they ignore the laws they don’t like and violate the Constitution with reckless abandon. I have come to expect that of them. What is really unforgiveable is the so-called “Other Side” letting them get away with it all so easily.

We can ignore the law like Barry, but I am quite sure we would end up in big trouble. Still trying to decide where my line in the sand is drawn....I am ashamed to say...

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They may take our lives, but they will never take our freedom - William Wallace.

. I will, when they come to take my freedom for an un-just law, make them pay for my life if I can. I will retain my freedom in death. I feel I am not alone in my belief.

As for Congress and staffers being exempt, this is not a surprise. God help my Country and damn its government. A storm is coming. PREPARE.

114 posted on 08/05/2013 8:48:38 PM PDT by thegrump
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To: xzins; All

115 posted on 08/05/2013 9:08:02 PM PDT by Rodamala
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To: Windflier

I made a point you refuse to acknowledge re: the Watertown incident.

In the NAME of safety and security - as we saw in Watertown - people will be WILLING to be run from their homes at gunpoint and offer them up to searches while the military sweeps the town for whatever they are looking for. Anyone pops up in a window that some armored cop from an APC finds threatening - BAM! One shot, one kill.

Too bad if it turns out to be a kid with a squirt gun. Right? Do we really want to accept that this is the kind of country we have to live in now? As long as we are WILLING to let the military police do as they please, we should be willing to do so to keep us safe?

Do you really trust the government and it’s alphabets to keep you safe?? Do you believe that is their job? Do you believe they think that is their job?

If so, you are far more trusting of government than I will ever be.

We are being conditioned to accept living in a police state. To believe whatever the government or the cops claim. So - if and when the government asserts some church is a bunch of child molesting domestic terrorists -a majority of folks like you who think Watertown was a good thing, will end up applauding a military shake down of a neighborhood or town again, all in the name of supposed safety and security.

So how can you say that the American people are not going to tolerate military subjugation when you just admitted that not only WILL YOU tolerate it if it’s for supposed safety and security reasons.... as long as the people are willing to cooperate with such subjugation, it’s not really subjugation?

Your own commentary here makes my point that the government does not have to send in troops for a stated purpose of conquering and subduing a people - but merely has to convince them that it is for their safety and security that they relent to whatever is demanded of them - and the people toss their rights out the window.

That was my entire point in posting the pics from Watertown in reply to your assertion that the American people would resist any military ‘occupation’. I say NO, they won’t. Because if they are led to believe it’s for their safety and security - people will WILLINGLY welcome it.

Which gets to the question of trust.

Do you trust this regime and it’s agents to be honest about whatever it is they need us to surrender our homes, our rights and our liberties for??

They could move entire populations if that is the case, under the auspices of a loose bomb or unspecified ‘imminent terror threat’ and the people will willingly hop on cattle cars, trains or buses for wherever they are told to go.

It’s like the closing of our embassies in the Mid-East this week. The government can make claims that they have unspecified but secretly specific threats that force actions to “keep us safe”. But none of us will ever really know if this was just a ploy to keep the scandals out of the news, or if Obama wanted the world to recognize his birthday - or if Al Qaeda really planned to hit our embassies.

I personally think it’s safer and more prudent to assume the worst of this government and it’s intentions, than to trust any claims it makes about our security when Obama has demonstrated to me that he and the entire cabal in Washington cannot be trusted with a damn thing. Not a DAMN thing.

I mean - what is to stop the regime from making a claim of imminent danger and force people from their homes at gunpoint like in Watertown and then make up any story or excuse they like about where they are being ‘relocated’??

I mean, a “video” caused the Benghazi uprising and massacre of our ambassador and 3 other Americans, right?? You really going to put that trust in Obama and the government after Benghazi and what we learned they are doing with the IRS, NSA PRISM, and every other scandal we do not yet know about??

Your point is that you believe the American people will resist with force any tyranny visited upon them.

My point is that the American people have already demonstrated that they will willingly comply with tyranny, especially if it is under the auspices of safety and security.

Or free health care.

Then when misery and want begin, they will do so for a mere promise of provision. Again, human nature and history speaking.

Why do you assume we are somehow exempt from that?

Those in power understand that fact of human nature and history - and they will exploit it to their advantage. In fact, they already are.


116 posted on 08/05/2013 9:55:13 PM PDT by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: xzins

>> This says that Congress believes ObamaCare is broke.

It also shows contempt for the citizens.


117 posted on 08/05/2013 9:57:13 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: INVAR
Your own commentary here makes my point that the government does not have to send in troops for a stated purpose of conquering and subduing a people - but merely has to convince them that it is for their safety and security that they relent to whatever is demanded of them - and the people toss their rights out the window.

There you go again. You made a mistake by conflating the Watertown incident with a hypothetical imposition of martial law, and now you're forced to construct a passably logical explanation for doing so.

It still doesn't hold water because your entire argument rests upon the assumption that the government would attempt to pacify the people by telling them that those jack booted thugs outside their doors, are only there for their protection and safety. Meanwhile, they're watching their neighbors being hauled into the street and beaten down to the ground before being hauled off to never never land.

You can post thousands of words to me if you like, but you can't knock me off topic, and I'm not going to let you off the hook for the presumptions of cowardice you've leveled at my countrymen.

For the third (or is it fourth) time now, a declaration of martial law by any wanna-be dictator in the Oval Office is going to result in:

A. An immediate and horrific breakdown in cohesion among the several branches of the U.S. military, as the troops' loyalties to their countrymen and the Constitution vs the mad dictator, break across ideological lines. Instant internal warfare would be the likely result, with a very real possibility that a significant contingent would seek to arrest and imprison the CIC for treason.

B. The immediate assumption of a war posture by the armed citizenry in this country, who number 100,000,000 strong. Even if only one in ten were to adopt that posture, you're still talking about a domestic insurgency of 10,000,000 armed and very dangerous individuals who cannot be talked down, and who will not disarm or back off until the threat to their life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, is removed.

Our entire military couldn't handle an estimated fifteen thousand Islamic insurgents in Iraq. Even with a 'no-holds-barred' ROE, what makes you think they can handle TEN MILLION armed citizens who will fight to the death to protect their families, homes, and country from a government gone mad?

As I stated before, the hard left is playing with fire here, and is bucking for the complete demise of their political power, all influence, and very possibly the continued existence of their political philosophy in this country. If they decide to go forward with the ultimate test of the people's resolve, it will end badly for them.

118 posted on 08/05/2013 10:26:24 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier
exactly my thoughts

times like these are why the founders included the second amendment, and why the government is doing all they can to make ammo scarce

119 posted on 08/05/2013 11:12:48 PM PDT by KTM rider ( Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb)
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To: KTM rider
times like these are why the founders included the second amendment, and why the government is doing all they can to make ammo scarce

Exactly right. The most ironic thing of all, is that they brought it on themselves.

120 posted on 08/05/2013 11:18:17 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: xzins

How much more are we going to take?


121 posted on 08/05/2013 11:48:36 PM PDT by matthew fuller
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To: Windflier

I did not say anything about the imposition of martial law by decree. It can be imposed without such a declaration such as Watertown and as you demonstrated - will be accepted and considered justifiable in the name of safety and security.

A decade plus and we’re still taking off shoes, belts and submitting to every humiliation a TSA agent decides if we want to fly. We watch grannies get harassed, Children touched, vets having to humiliate themselves and strip their prosthesis from themselves. We make no waves. We tolerate every injustice - so we can get our little piece of what we need. Seatbelt checkpoints and soon ObamaCare Insurance proof. We tell ourselves that we need to trade a little liberty for security so we are “safe”. We tell ourselves that if it’s for the children, or the environment or the poor or the minority - we need to accommodate and surrender everything from the amount of water in our toilet to what we can eat at a movie theater.

That is not a hallmark of a people who are going to resist the imposition of tyranny. We already tolerate the tyranny and make excuses to tolerate it. We shrug our shoulders and say ‘what can we do’?

You have not answered a single one of my questions postulated, you ignored them because they make my point if you answer them honestly.

You are too much wishful thinking about how this country is going to react when facts, history and human nature are honestly considered. Even recent history.

You put your faith in a people who are allowing and accommodating every infringement on their liberties in the name of safety and security or fairness. You are trusting a people who sat on their hands while their free exercise of faith was rendered irrelevant in the culture until government became this culture’s god.

If this people are not going to stand up for their faith in the culture - why should we assume they are going to stand against the imposition of tyranny and subjugation when half the country wants to be dependent on government for their subsistence?

A people that refuse to believe and accept what is happening to them never arrive at the point they are able to resist the absolute horror their own government is going to unleash on them.

They are the ones who end up in mass graves.


122 posted on 08/06/2013 12:13:11 AM PDT by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: X-spurt; P-Marlowe

You didn’t read the part about Cole, Coburn’s fellow senator from Oklahoma?

And, where were all the warning shouts from our representatives letting us know this was coming up?

I didn’t get a single letter, email, etc.

My other question is why you’re giving me a hard time over this? I didn’t either decide it, write it, or do it. All I said was that it had conservative complicity which I had read about. I showed you exactly what I’d read, and you’re still making like I’ve done something wrong.

I’m not your congressman. Go complain to him. And especially if he didn’t send you an email alert about this.


123 posted on 08/06/2013 3:39:04 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: xzins

If you can’t back up what you post, then think before posting anti-conservative progressive propaganda.


124 posted on 08/06/2013 5:06:41 AM PDT by X-spurt (Ready for the CRUZ missle.)
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To: SENTINEL

Perfect


125 posted on 08/06/2013 5:19:12 AM PDT by TheCause ("that these United Colonies are, and of right ought to be, free and independent States")
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To: X-spurt

I did back it up. Didn’t you read?


126 posted on 08/06/2013 5:54:21 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: xzins

Interesting but frustrating that neither my Congressman-R nor my Senators-D-R cared enough to send an alert out on this, when they’d normally brag about any mundane action or accomplishment that those in Congress could tout.

Their web pages say nothing about this either. If I hadn’t read it here it would have been an under the table none event. I’m convinced the problem we face in America goes well beyond politics to blatant gross political elitism and corruption, and a media that always covers for them. Will the pundits even say anything about this?


127 posted on 08/06/2013 6:04:31 AM PDT by apoliticalone
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To: apoliticalone; X-spurt

If your congressman didn’t send you an outraged email or have on his website how he is rejecting this, submitting a bill to repeal it or a bill to get members on record with a vote on it, then he’s going along.

It’s that simple.


128 posted on 08/06/2013 6:10:19 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: servantboy777
Refuse too long and your door will get kicked in....oh round 3:30am. You won’t be dreaming those fellers clad in black with automatic weapons.

What do you call that? The appeal to pusillanimity?

They don't have enough fellers to go around, if every productive taxpayer just refused.

It is not practical to expect that, however, so I advocate legal means. Do the right thing. Homeschool the kids, quit the second job, cut the income tax payment. Then when you realize the sky doesn't fall when you live on less money, cut back more until you don't make enough to have to pay income tax at all.

That's the safe and legal way to deprive the government of the only thing that matters to it. The only thing that gets their attention. The only thing it needs to function. Your financial support. Money.

Start planning, and put your representatives on notice. Do it as publicly as you can, to encourage others and to put the fear where it belongs: in the bloodsucking political class.

We don't need a million march. A million right-thinking, fed up, self-reliant Americans could do this from home.

129 posted on 08/06/2013 6:15:42 AM PDT by HomeAtLast
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To: plain talk
However I refuse to cut off my nose to spite my face. I will continue my standard of living as long as I can.

Spoken like a loyalist.

130 posted on 08/06/2013 6:22:37 AM PDT by HomeAtLast
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To: joe fonebone
Allow me to amend that.

if you vote for the republicanIf you pay income tax then YOU SUPPORT THIS CRAP AND SUPPORT THIS BEHAVIOR.....

period

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131 posted on 08/06/2013 6:28:16 AM PDT by HomeAtLast
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To: INVAR; Windflier

INVAR, that was beautiful.

Windflier, you’re a great freeper, one I respect and generally agree with. I believe you would personally resist as a true American should. But I believe you will go down fighting without much support from your neighbors, if it ever comes to that.

Only if the enemy can’t break your spirit, does it muster the energy to break your body.


132 posted on 08/06/2013 6:38:55 AM PDT by HomeAtLast
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To: HomeAtLast

“We don’t need a million march. A million right-thinking, fed up, self-reliant Americans could do this from home.”

I hope you’re right because we’ve been led by the nose for too long. We’ve become soft in the USA. Most are too lazy to even vote let alone go to a town hall meeting, or call or write Congress, or God forbid express our right to peaceful assembly on the street. They divide and conquer us.

The media leads us around by the nose with stories about royal babies in England and hyped crime stories, and covering for the real criminals in DC. They kept us saturated for a month with Michael Jackson (so his promoters could sell his crap), just as Gabby Giffords, Boston Marathon, Zimmerman and Newtown (so gun grabbers and fearmongers have more impact), while the political elite rig the game and shaft us behind the scenes. In public they tell us a concocted but different story how they oppose all that makes us angry.


133 posted on 08/06/2013 6:49:46 AM PDT by apoliticalone
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To: HomeAtLast
The only thing that gets their attention. The only thing it needs to function. Your financial support. Money.

My friend, you are engaging in magical thinking. FedGov doesn't need our "money" - they can print their own. All they need is for foolish people to continue serving in the military which acts as international muscle to enforce the dollar standard.

This house of cards would fall fast (and will eventually do so) when the dollar standard collapses. Ain't no amount of tax receipt deficits gonna effect the octopus. Even today, freshly rolled bennie bux are a significant portion of the budget.

Consider our economy today - no one actually "works" in a productive field. People are either marginally employed, on some kind of benefit, or work in the public sector, which is actually another form of welfare.

So, even today, the whole thing operates on phantom money that recipients quickly exchange for real assets. That is, unless they are forced to re-cycle dollars to purchase treasuries, which is what currently impose on the Saudis & Chinese.

When this cycle is eventually broken, all the chickens will be coming home to roost.

134 posted on 08/06/2013 7:03:00 AM PDT by semantic
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To: xzins

You mean this?????
http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2013/08/03/executive-nullification-why-obama-wont-allow-congress-to-legalize-his-changes-to-ppaca/

That’s already been shown as not pointing to any conservative Congressman and only infers Coburn.


135 posted on 08/06/2013 7:04:21 AM PDT by X-spurt (Ready for the CRUZ missle.)
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To: xzins

You make a good point here. I definitely will be asking my reps.


136 posted on 08/06/2013 7:05:25 AM PDT by X-spurt (Ready for the CRUZ missle.)
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To: X-spurt

And the other article takes on BOTH Oklahoma senators.

And, you’re right. The silence of the congress-critters on this speaks volumes, doesn’t it?


137 posted on 08/06/2013 7:10:46 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: semantic
Wow, you think printing money creates value? And you think I'm a magical thinker? There's clearly no point in further discussion.
138 posted on 08/06/2013 7:17:19 AM PDT by HomeAtLast
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To: xzins

Ok, before slamming the republicans in the house of representatives,

THE REPUBLICAN HOUSE HAS VOTED TO REPEAL OBAMACARE FOR ALL AMERICANS ON 40 DIFFERENT OCCASSIONS.

IT IS THE DEMOCRAT SENATE AND DEMOCRAT PRESIDENT STOPPING REPEAL.

THE ONLY REPEAL THAT THE DEMOCRATS ALLOWED WAS FOR CONGRESS AND THE REPUBLICANS TOOK IT.

It is sort of like the choice McCain had in Vietnam only the republicans took the other choice. McCain could have gotten out of jail early but chose to remain with the others. Here the republicans decided to take what they could get and go home.


139 posted on 08/06/2013 7:48:43 AM PDT by staytrue
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To: staytrue

I get emails from my congressman all the time in my very conservative district. I haven’t gotten one on this.

Have you?


140 posted on 08/06/2013 7:50:18 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: xzins

Actually I don’t look at their current silence as meaning they are in on the deal as much as trying to figure out how to respond with gravity enough to use this as another straw on the camel’s back to curtail nobamacare.

If they just came out screaming “It wasn’t me”, it’ll look like a guilty dog barking first.

As with many other DC political situations, this is a chess game not checkers.


141 posted on 08/06/2013 8:05:43 AM PDT by X-spurt (Ready for the CRUZ missle.)
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To: X-spurt

I’d prefer my congressman deny complicity, and I’d like to see him say that he won’t accept it if offered.


142 posted on 08/06/2013 8:08:51 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: xzins

Exactly, but that’s not the same as them running out shouting it before anyone has had the chance to see what is really going on.

Ask them then post their response. My Congress reps are Ted Cruz, Louie Gohmert and John Cornyn. I only need to ask Cornyn.


143 posted on 08/06/2013 8:29:35 AM PDT by X-spurt (Ready for the CRUZ missle.)
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To: staytrue
It was all a political shell game. Voting to repeal was nothing but posturing. All 40 attempts to repeal never had a snowballs chance of passing. They knew it.

If they were serious in stopping ObamaCare - they would vote to defund it - and they have the power to do so.

But Boehner says no to defunding - and so do other Republicans.

THIS from yesterday (Video of Town Hall)

144 posted on 08/06/2013 10:21:29 AM PDT by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: INVAR

I totally agree with you. We are off the cliff. I’m waiting for the starvation to begin. Shut off food to the major cities for 3-5 days, and you’ll have the total anarchy needed to declare martial law on the whole country. Then the individual confiscation of firearms will begin. Sure some will resist, but the left-wing media, already controlled by the regime will not report these instances. When this info does slip past them it will be classified as a few “kooks”.
By the time there is any kind of armed uprising, or organization, it will be too late. They’ll have the numbers on us.
I’m trying to prep my little area. If one of the rumored secessions were to take place I would go there, but until then I hunker down and watch the urban front lines.


145 posted on 08/06/2013 11:08:49 AM PDT by rikkir (Islam is evil...There, that should get DOJ interested in my cell phone!)
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To: HomeAtLast
you think printing money creates value?

Sigh - why must people who are on the same page disagree? Where did I state, suggest or otherwise hint that printing money "create value"?

What I actually said is that FedGov can print (that is, counterfeit) as much money as they like, and force others, like OPEC, to accept all of it with a gun pointed at their collective heads.

When this power dynamic fails, the dollar fails. But until then, FedGov doesn't need anyone's tax dollars to continue operating the empire. It doesn't need citizens, it doesn't need productive, creative thinkers/workers. Rather, it needs boots on the ground to maintain the status quo.

146 posted on 08/06/2013 11:12:10 AM PDT by semantic
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To: thegrump

Thank you- well said. When it comes to the time/place where it’s me or them protecting my freedom, I prefer to go down fast & hard - would hate that drawn & quartered bit.


147 posted on 08/06/2013 11:25:30 AM PDT by Sioux-san
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To: knarf

Death to all tyrants.


148 posted on 08/06/2013 9:42:44 PM PDT by semaj
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To: semantic

Sigh...

You said the govt doesn’t need productive taxpayer money, because it can print money. That equates productive taxpayer wealth (value) with paper printed at will.

Now you’re repeating the error, just moving the marker a notch. You’re saying the govt needs only to force, to use “boots on the ground.” This suggests that war is a practical substitute for trade, force a practical substitute for voluntary commerce, and that therefore war creates value.

Well, it does not. It’s wasteful, destructive, and terribly expensive. It cannot be sustained for long.

Saying the govt “doesn’t need citizens, it doesn’t need productive, creative thinkers/workers. Rather, it needs boots on the ground to maintain the status quo,” is like saying we don’t need to breathe to maintain the status quo.

And what I’m saying is, if the taxpayers would stand down and quit supporting the government financially, the government would very quickly become responsive to their demands. There is no practical alternative for the government.

Sigh...

You said the govt doesn


149 posted on 08/07/2013 8:40:09 AM PDT by HomeAtLast
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To: knarf
No vote.

Stroke of the pen, law of the land.

150 posted on 08/07/2013 8:42:50 AM PDT by Osage Orange (Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.)
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