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Gun Maker Colt To Open Kissimmee Plant
WFTV ^ | Aug. 5, 2013 | WFTV

Posted on 08/05/2013 12:02:43 PM PDT by sheikdetailfeather

KISSIMMEE, Fla. —

A gun manufacturer will soon be one step closer to opening a facility in central Florida.

Gov. Rick Scott announced in 2011 that top gun manufacturer Colt would open up a new plant in Kissimmee

(Excerpt) Read more at wftv.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: colt; gun; guncontrol; kissimmee; maker; secondamendment
Great news!
1 posted on 08/05/2013 12:02:43 PM PDT by sheikdetailfeather
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To: sheikdetailfeather

Maybe they should wait to see what the outcome of the SYG hearings are. NOT!


2 posted on 08/05/2013 12:04:42 PM PDT by rktman (Inergalactic background checks? King hussein you're first up.)
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To: sheikdetailfeather

Well, I guess Hartford, Connecticut can Kissimmee those jobs goodbye!.....


3 posted on 08/05/2013 12:05:24 PM PDT by Red Badger (Want to be surprised? Google your own name......Want to have fun? Google your friend's names........)
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To: sheikdetailfeather
Scott announced in 2011

Well... so not really "news"...
And the move wasn't related to the CT craziness.

Also - The county is expected to approve a lease for the manufacturing company Monday.

Talk about a slow-moving bureaucracy!

4 posted on 08/05/2013 12:07:38 PM PDT by grobdriver
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To: sheikdetailfeather

It is Kissimmee in the day time and Kiss a me at night.


5 posted on 08/05/2013 12:08:27 PM PDT by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: yarddog

Used to be a sizeable nudist camp near Kissimee. Pretty hard for them to CCW.


6 posted on 08/05/2013 12:13:42 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie (Actually, they lie when it suits them! The crooked MS media must be defeated any way it can be done!)
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To: sheikdetailfeather

We don’t need more guns...we need more ammo!


7 posted on 08/05/2013 12:17:11 PM PDT by AlaskaErik (I served and protected my country for 31 years. Progressives spent that time trying to destroy it.)
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To: The_Media_never_lie

Trying to think of negative replies that wouldn’t get me banned by taste police. So far, no good.


8 posted on 08/05/2013 12:17:33 PM PDT by libstripper
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To: sheikdetailfeather
Another reason to visit Florida.
9 posted on 08/05/2013 12:18:20 PM PDT by zlala (Thank you for the ultimate sacrifice Capt. Aaron R. Blanchard, KIA 4-23-13, Pul-E-Alam, Afghanistan.)
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To: sheikdetailfeather

Next time some punk approaches you, scream

“Kiss My Colt!!”


10 posted on 08/05/2013 12:18:32 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: sheikdetailfeather

Dang! I was hoping for a Texas plant.


11 posted on 08/05/2013 12:27:12 PM PDT by showme_the_Glory (ILLEGAL: prohibited by law. ALIEN: Owing political allegiance to another country or government)
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To: sheikdetailfeather

COLT needs to move the hell out of Hartford, CT.

Firearms industry group pulls support for Connecticut park honoring gun maker

Posted: 2:00 pm, July 10, 2013

A rack of AR-15 rifles stand to be individually packaged as workers move a pallet of rifles for shipment at the Stag Arms company in New Britain, Conn., Wednesday, April 10, 2013. A Connecticut gun-maker announced on Wednesday it intends to leave the state, just six days after passage of restrictive gun control legislation, while another manufacturer, Stag Arms, which employs about 230 workers, says its customers are urging it to “pick up and leave.” (AP Photo/Charles Krupa)HARTFORD, Conn. – A national gun industry association based in Connecticut is withdrawing its support for federal legislation that would establish the Coltsville National Historical Park in Hartford, citing recent passage of the state’s new gun control law.

In letters to the state’s congressional delegation and governor, Lawrence G. Keane, the senior vice president and general counsel of the National Shooting Sports Foundation, said the industry is “offended by the hypocrisy of our elected officials in Congress and the state government” to advocate for legislation paying homage to the firearms industry and the iconic Colt firearms factory while pursuing gun control legislation.

“As major contributors to the state’s economy, we find it unacceptable for lawmakers to propose banning our products and hindering our ability of Connecticut companies to grow their businesses, create more good-paying manufacturing jobs, and contribute hundreds of millions in taxes,” Keane wrote in the letters released Tuesday.

http://www.theseatonpost.com/2013/07/10/firearms-industry-group-pulls-support-for-connecticut-park-honoring-gun-maker/

Firearms group sues to reverse new gun-control law in Connecticut

MILFORD, Connecticut (Reuters) - A national trade association for the firearms industry filed a lawsuit against Connecticut Governor Dannel Malloy and others on Monday, seeking to reverse a tough gun-control law passed in the wake of the deadly shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School.

The National Shooting Sports Foundation (NSSF), which is headquartered in Newtown, Connecticut, just three miles from the school where a gunman in December killed 26 first-graders and staff, filed the lawsuit in federal court in Connecticut.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/52425694/ns/politics/#.Uf_81W3pzDE


12 posted on 08/05/2013 12:29:48 PM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: KeyLargo

Good news.

Kel-tec is also in FL. Guaranteed for life. Don’t even know my little .380 (w/HPs) is in my pocket.


13 posted on 08/05/2013 12:44:33 PM PDT by bicyclerepair (Inbred, pedophile-worshipping, misogynists (mozlums) offend me.)
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To: The_Media_never_lie
Used to be a sizeable nudist camp near Kissimee. Pretty hard for them to CCW.

In two words: fanny pack.

14 posted on 08/05/2013 12:47:10 PM PDT by Standing Wolf
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To: sheikdetailfeather
Dare we hope for a rebirth of the Python? In a commemorative edition? Puh-leeeze, Mr. Colt? Please, please, please, please...
 photo Colt-Python-357-Magnum-revolver-no-35459_zps4a8dadb3.jpg
15 posted on 08/05/2013 12:48:23 PM PDT by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
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To: sheikdetailfeather

I hope Dannel Malloy is happy.


16 posted on 08/05/2013 12:51:01 PM PDT by BillyBonebrake
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To: PowderMonkey
Dare we hope for a rebirth of the Python? In a commemorative edition? Puh-leeeze, Mr. Colt? Please, please, please, please...

Colt should come out with a new model....The Cracker.

17 posted on 08/05/2013 12:54:13 PM PDT by N. Theknow (Kennedys=Can't drive, can't ski, can't fly, can't skipper a boat, but they know what's best for you.)
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To: Standing Wolf

Never borrow a pencil from a nudist...

(BTW, did you see the way the waitress snatched up the tip?)


18 posted on 08/05/2013 1:00:28 PM PDT by null and void (You don't know what "cutting edge" means till you insult Mohammed.)
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To: PowderMonkey

Yes. They should call the the Florida Burmese Python!


19 posted on 08/05/2013 1:01:19 PM PDT by null and void (You don't know what "cutting edge" means till you insult Mohammed.)
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To: sheikdetailfeather; bang_list

Please post ASAP when it is confirmed , I am in Kissimmee and would love to work for Colt ... I called their corporate HQ and the HR people knew nothing about the news ,, wouldn’t give me a contact name for anyone heading up the project. I want to be first in line ,, and have plenty of good candidates for them.


20 posted on 08/05/2013 1:05:55 PM PDT by Neidermeyer (I used to be disgusted , now I try to be amused.)
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To: BillyBonebrake

That is so sad when your own governor destroys an industry in his state for politics. Florida is a gun friendly state. We welcome anyone who wishes to escape from the progressive locusts who destroy everything. We prefer the progressives boycott Florida permanently.


21 posted on 08/05/2013 1:06:03 PM PDT by sheikdetailfeather (Yuri Bezmenov (KGB Defector) - "Kick The Communists Out of Your Govt. & Don't Accept Their Goodies.")
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To: Neidermeyer

I will do that and will also ping you and email you on FR. I follow Gov. Scott and other news sources on Twitter and am a news junky so I will know.


22 posted on 08/05/2013 1:08:29 PM PDT by sheikdetailfeather (Yuri Bezmenov (KGB Defector) - "Kick The Communists Out of Your Govt. & Don't Accept Their Goodies.")
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To: sheikdetailfeather

As Moses said to Pharoh, let my people go.


23 posted on 08/05/2013 1:17:58 PM PDT by lavaroise
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To: PowderMonkey

I highly doubt you’re going to see Colt come out with a revolver that has the fit, finish and workmanship of the golden era of the Pythons.

They’ve long since lost most of the people who could do that work.


24 posted on 08/05/2013 1:22:22 PM PDT by NVDave
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To: NVDave

Unless that “work” was done by hand, I’d venture to say that the latest machine tools can do pretty well.

Seems like all the newer car engines run 200,000 miles easy now.


25 posted on 08/05/2013 1:23:56 PM PDT by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: nascarnation
"Seems like all the newer car engines run 200,000 miles easy now."

While "some" credit for that goes to better machining technology, most of it is due to advances in materials (high-tech wear resistant coatings like titanium nitride, better metallurgy, and on and on).

26 posted on 08/05/2013 1:47:07 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: Wonder Warthog

I totally agree, and those same advances apply to firearm metallurgy!


27 posted on 08/05/2013 1:49:33 PM PDT by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: nascarnation

Yes, that work was done by hand. Absolutely.

On the outside, there is the final fitting and polishing of the old Colts to achieve their vaunted (and well deserved) glorious finish. This was done by hand. There’s nothing that can replace the care and attention to detail at the corners and boundaries when polishing a firearm. You needed skilled people to perform the polishing prior to putting the gun into the blue tank. This was true of rifles, shotguns and semi-auto handguns as well, it isn’t an issue particular to the Colt revolver. The Pythons, however, were exceptionally well finished, and that’s part of their value and mystique.

This is why the large gun companies have duped gun buyers into thinking that parkerized or magnesium phosphate finishes on guns are “cool” or “better” than old fashioned blueing: Because the parking is cheaper, it hides a gun with horrible metal finishing and parking can be done by anyone with a knuckle-dragging IQ.

Now, internally: The final fit of the parts in a Python is not something that lends itself to mass manufacturing by machines. It can be done in a S&W revolver, but not a Colt. If you take apart a Colt revolver and a S&W revolver, you will immediately see the differences that lend the S&W design to mass manufacture and what stands in the way for the Colt.

In the Colt, everything (and I mean EVERYTHING) with regard to the timing of the lockwork, cylinder rotation and lock-up, is controlled by the rebound lever:

http://www.urban-armory.com/cart/blueprints/colt_python.gif

Look at park #44. What you don’t see is the multi-faceted boss on the other side of that part. There are facets on a raised boss on the right side of the rebound lever that control the timing of the gun. This is what made the Colts acquire a reputation for needing a Swiss watchmaker to work on them. For someone with careful attention to detail and a holistic understanding of the Python (and prior) Colt revolver function, it isn’t all that difficult, but it does take time. Colts also could be knocked out of time - eg, if you used the butt of a Python to hit something (like, oh, say, if you tried to use the butt as a bludgeon to pistol-whip someone), you could deform the shape/dimension of the grip, which would move the mounting point of the rebound lever, which could knock the gun out of time and out of action.

OK, that was one part of the final fitting by hand for a Colt. Another was getting the cylinder stop (aka “bolt”) to fit with absolutely minimum slop into the cuts in the cylinder. Colts, and especially Pythons, had a reputation as “locking like a bank vault” - whereas a S&W revolver will have a little wiggle here and there on the bolt, the goal of a Colt was to have none.

There’s a reason why Pythons commanded a premium when they were new, and why they command such a premium in the used gun market if they’re in 95%+ condition.

I know what CNC machines are capable of. I’ve run and programmed CNC machines. I’ve also been in and out of Colt revolvers like the Python, S&W and Rugers. They’re all good revolvers, but the Pythons, in new or like-new condition... were executed at a level of workmanship above the rest of the field.


28 posted on 08/05/2013 1:54:35 PM PDT by NVDave
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To: NVDave

Interesting stuff.
Like comparing Deusenbergs to Toyotas.

I’m just interested in functionality as opposed to cosmetics so I’m not too worried.


29 posted on 08/05/2013 1:57:48 PM PDT by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: nascarnation

Not really. The firearms industry has largely ceased looking for new metallurgy. They’re content to run 4140 and 8620 alloy steel for frames, 4140-like steels for barrels, or 410, 416 or 420 stainless for stainless guns and call it pretty much done. S&W has played with these aluminum-scandium alloys for handgun frames, but I think the results will deter most others from following them down that road.

If you want to see advanced metallurgy on guns (with regard to strength/weight/etc), you’d need to look at the German gun trade, not the US gun trade.

If the US gun trade were not so lawyer-adverse, then you might see alloys like 4340 make it into use, but seeing as how lawyers make the use of anything new a legal liability, we probably won’t. 4140-like steels have a long track record in the US gun industry, and that’s where we’re likely to stay for a long time to come.


30 posted on 08/05/2013 1:59:58 PM PDT by NVDave
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To: nascarnation

The functionality of the Python was that it had an exquisite trigger, the “bank vault” lock-up and impressive accuracy. It was, functionally, at the very top of the double action revolver field. Everything else was a step down from the level of performance of the Pythons. Due to the tighter chambers, the tighter cylinder-to-breech gap (half or less than that of S&W’s revolvers) and the clockwise rotation (which wants to rotate the cylinder into the frame, not out as on a S&W), they achieved a premium product in most all aspects.

Again, there’s a reason why they command such demand and value in the used gun market.

If all you want is functionality, then buy a Ruger GP-100. They’re cast, have an OK finish, and they work. But I doubt they’ll ever command a premium.


31 posted on 08/05/2013 2:05:51 PM PDT by NVDave
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To: NVDave

I remember reading many years ago that John Browning was really impressed with the workers at Colt, Winchester, FN etc.

The workers all liked him because he was a gun smith and like them worked with his hands.

While no one could equal Browning as an inventor of guns, Browning was impressed with the workers ability to produce finely finished pieces.


32 posted on 08/05/2013 2:09:25 PM PDT by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: yarddog

The workers at Colt and Winchester in the era from post-WWI to the 1950’s were at the very top of the game. Both of these companies turned out premium products as a regular catalog item.

That came to a close at Winchester in ‘64, and in Colt in the mid-80’s.

The knowledge to reproduce this level of work is not gone, but gun buyers won’t pay for it. Most gun buyers today have no appreciation (or knowledge) of the finest levels of gun making, and therefore no willingness to pay for it. Most guy buyers think that magnesium phosphate is a “good” firearms finish, because it’s “mil-spec.” What they don’t realize is that the military buys their material from the lowest bidder. Phosphate finishes came about because they’re cheap, not because they’re good.

As a result today, you see the level of fit and finish that used to be an “everyday” catalog item from US gun companies available only from custom gunsmiths/gunmakers. The “custom shops” of the big gun companies don’t even pretend to offer the level of product they used to carry in their catalog as an everyday item.


33 posted on 08/05/2013 2:16:51 PM PDT by NVDave
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To: bicyclerepair
His & Hers Designer Colt AR-15s – Carbon Fiber & Muddy Girl

by GunsAmerica Actual on August 4, 2013

34 posted on 08/05/2013 2:22:14 PM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: NVDave

Around 1978 A distributor in Selma, Alabama got in a bunch of new in the cosmoline, unfired 98-09 Argentine Mausers. My particular one was actually made in 1909. It also came with the original test target.

It was manufactured by Deutsch Waffen und Munitionsfabriken, of Berlin, Germany. The workmanship was almost unbelievable. These guns were made by the million and they still somehow kept that standard of manufacture.

Around the same time, I knew a game warden who had bought a mint model 95 Mauser made by Ludwig Loewe, also of Berlin. His was every bit the equal of my model 98.

I think they could afford to hire enough craftsmen back then because wages were probably lower.


35 posted on 08/05/2013 2:28:55 PM PDT by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: The_Media_never_lie

I lived their a fews years as a kid, we did try to peek thru the fence. probably a good thing we failed.


36 posted on 08/05/2013 3:32:55 PM PDT by sopwith (LIVE FREE OR DIE)
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To: yarddog

That was part of it.

And currencies had some real value to them too, so people were not getting screwed by their currencies being worthless against tangible goods.

Relative to salaries and wages of the day, those guns were pretty expensive. People back then simply weren’t going to shell out hard-earned money for crap. The companies marketed their products on the actual and reputed quality of their workmanship.

Today, marketing “geniuses” are forever busy inducing people to buy cheaply made crap that won’t last. If companies spent the money they spend marketing on actual product manufacturing and development, the customer wouldn’t have to be duped into buying a piece of crap.


37 posted on 08/05/2013 8:09:39 PM PDT by NVDave
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