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Egypt claims jihadists fired US Hellfire missile at government office
Fox News ^ | August 5, 2013 | Perry Chiaramonte

Posted on 08/05/2013 2:33:43 PM PDT by penelopesire

Edited on 08/05/2013 3:43:26 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

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To: BenLurkin

Best guess now is it came out of the Egyptian militaries stocks, but that does not mean it did not come from Libya. Could have been taken to Libya by the Brothers. The US also used a lot of them during the Libyan war/rebellion, but they were Hellfire II’s fired from Apache Helicopters.


51 posted on 08/05/2013 4:22:18 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: Grampa Dave

“Who told you they were women?”

Outstanding, sir...just outstanding!


52 posted on 08/05/2013 4:23:00 PM PDT by moovova (Sell everything, folks. Be poised to run.)
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To: Grampa Dave
OOOPS! It has a serial number! Now that's got to make a difference...!

Seriously though, I think the military loses them all the time. I distinctly recall hearing about a shipping container full (with gps and fulltime satellite tracking feed too!) getting offloaded at the end of the runway in Dover (apparently they do that for weight and balance compliance) and sitting there along with some other friendly containers for a few weeks. In appeared as an anomaly in the database when checking for data quality and then someone unnamed wrote a query and found the history of location updates...

53 posted on 08/05/2013 4:28:55 PM PDT by no-s (when democracy is displaced by tyranny, the armed citizen still gets to vote)
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To: penelopesire

I don’t know who owns the rights.


54 posted on 08/05/2013 4:35:20 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: penelopesire; gaijin

Hey gaijin, this is what I asked you the other night.


55 posted on 08/05/2013 4:42:54 PM PDT by txhurl ('The DOG ate my homework. That homework, too. ALL my homework. OK?' - POSHITUS)
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To: pollywog

“Why in the world doesn’t SOMEONE IMPEACH this PRESIDENT!!!!”

No balls to do so.

LLS


56 posted on 08/05/2013 4:46:22 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: penelopesire

I hear they were buying them from Ambassador Stevens. Any truth to that? Jennifer Griffin (?), newswoman, was saying something along the line that they were trying to regain control of a huge number of missiles.


57 posted on 08/05/2013 4:49:12 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: penelopesire

Good thing McStupid and his girlfriend are over there fixing things.


58 posted on 08/05/2013 4:49:58 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: xzins

I remember that article. The other possibility,like someone else said , is that this is stock that we supplied Egypt before the overthrow of Morsi. Only way to track it down is to get serial numbers, etc. hopefully someone is working on it. I may go read some of the English language Egypt papers for more info. If I find something will ping you.


59 posted on 08/05/2013 4:52:40 PM PDT by penelopesire (TIME FOR OBAMA TO ANSWER FOR BENGHAZI UNDER OATH!!)
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To: penelopesire

Thank you, Penelope. I’ll do the same in your direction. IIRC, the Seals were actually CIA, but were ex-Seals, and their mission was tracking those missiles.


60 posted on 08/05/2013 4:54:51 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Gads...what a pair of Obama tools and fools these two are:

http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/05/world/africa/egypt-unrest/index.html


61 posted on 08/05/2013 5:09:16 PM PDT by penelopesire (TIME FOR OBAMA TO ANSWER FOR BENGHAZI UNDER OATH!!)
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To: penelopesire

uh, we didn’t do it, Obama regime did. Er, sorry bout that.


62 posted on 08/05/2013 5:11:12 PM PDT by dforest (BR)
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To: LibLieSlayer

I think Reince Dweebus might be ready to use the same force against Obama that he did with CNN. Heh


63 posted on 08/05/2013 5:14:44 PM PDT by dforest (BR)
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To: penelopesire

Not seeing a problem here. I’ve said forever that the sooner we can get a weapon, at least a pistol, into the hands of every arab, the sooner peace will break out in the middle east. Give ém to ém-—let them blow themselves to hell until they learn common courtesy and settle every last 12th century feud that’s been biting their collective buttz.


64 posted on 08/05/2013 5:14:52 PM PDT by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: dforest

Good one!

LLS


65 posted on 08/05/2013 5:18:39 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: penelopesire
Meanwhile..Obama is golfing and living it up!! No responsibilities.

So a normal day for Barry.

66 posted on 08/05/2013 5:19:17 PM PDT by matt04
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To: LibLieSlayer

Rience will say “Obama, if you don’t stop those bad things you are doing, Jeb and Chris Christie won’t debate Hillary in 2016, so there”.


67 posted on 08/05/2013 5:22:28 PM PDT by dforest (BR)
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To: dforest
Who is Reince Dweebus?
68 posted on 08/05/2013 5:42:09 PM PDT by mulder1 ("The past is prologue.")
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To: penelopesire
Gosh! You mean American weapons from Syria could make it all the way through Jordan to the Sinai?

Who'da thought it!

69 posted on 08/05/2013 5:50:08 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (Islam offers choices: convert, submit, or die.)
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To: dforest

Of course, but I guarantee you when the truth finally rises to surface on Benghazi and this regime arming terrorists all over Middle East.....we are going to find that McCain,Graham,Pete King and other rinos and dems on select intelligence committees knew about it. Go look who on our side is blocking a Select Committee on Benghazi...who is out in front on TV on this terror threat! People who are defending the NSA over reach and refusing to investigate Benghazi gun running. It is same crowd.


70 posted on 08/05/2013 5:50:30 PM PDT by penelopesire (TIME FOR OBAMA TO ANSWER FOR BENGHAZI UNDER OATH!!)
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To: dforest

Hee hee!

LLS


71 posted on 08/05/2013 5:51:48 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: Diogenesis
Have the American people EVER been so ashamed of their government?

They don't know enough to be ashamed.

72 posted on 08/05/2013 5:52:20 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (Islam offers choices: convert, submit, or die.)
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To: txhurl

Good work. A very alarming and interesting report.

I’m still puzzled about what platform they used for the firing.

There ARE ground-based hellfire platforms but almost all I’m aware of are still in prototype stages of development.

This should be followed, but I’m still skeptical, and this photo might be borrowed from another engagement and used here for propoganda purposes.

The public at large considers, “a missile is a missile”.


73 posted on 08/05/2013 5:55:56 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: gaijin; txhurl

So can you guys share the work you were talking about by txhurl? If it is on forum. A ping to it would be great!! I would like to read it if possible.


74 posted on 08/05/2013 6:10:45 PM PDT by penelopesire (TIME FOR OBAMA TO ANSWER FOR BENGHAZI UNDER OATH!!)
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To: pollywog

My view is that we are close to a revolution in this country. People ,like you, are tired of the Coup-de’etat against our constitution and our culture. Look for Bravehart very soon. This will not be pretty.


75 posted on 08/05/2013 6:32:23 PM PDT by SADMILLIE (r)
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To: penelopesire

Must’ve got it because of that gun show loophole we’ve been hearing about.


76 posted on 08/05/2013 6:44:28 PM PDT by Repeat Offender (What good are conservative principles if we don't stand by them?)
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To: penelopesire

Maybe some fresh covert shipment for the express purpose of empowering the MB, but why not from Benghazi. Only the Jihadis and their US handlers, if any, know for sure.


77 posted on 08/05/2013 6:53:03 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: gaijin

See post 28.

I’d say any decent engineer with a little time & maybe access to a machine shop and some easily obtainable parts & materials could manage something like this. I’m not sure what it takes to program the guidance, though. It’d be a mistake to underestimate our enemies, in any case.


78 posted on 08/05/2013 7:19:48 PM PDT by Paul R. (We are in a break in an Ice Age. A brief break at that...)
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To: SADMILLIE

sadly I believe you are right. God help us!


79 posted on 08/05/2013 9:13:32 PM PDT by pollywog ("O Thou who changest not, abide with me.".......)
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To: penelopesire
"Egypt claims jihadists fired US Hellfire missile at government office"

Your tax dollars at work.

Making people "shovel ready" around the world is another obama legacy embellishment.
80 posted on 08/05/2013 10:46:38 PM PDT by clearcarbon
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To: penelopesire
It's unknown how the "Hellfire" missile wound up in the hands of extremist.

Here we go. The fog is moving out of Benghazi.

81 posted on 08/05/2013 10:50:31 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Senator Foghorn says, You should never resist being raped, robbed, beat down or murdered.)
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To: penelopesire; All

No, these would not be hellfire missiles once white washed thru the MSM and the Whitehut press corp.

They would be some improvised deadly flying explosive device (I-D-FED)developed in Iran with the help of Russia and sold to AQ to destroy our embassies.

Of course due to the NSA spying implemented by Bush and ratcheted up by Bathtub Barry this was found out in time to save all the lives. Now the servers in Utah will be doubled in size and recorders will be put on all crappers to record number of flushes.

Now the next war can be started over in the Iranian sandbox in the coming weeks.


82 posted on 08/06/2013 2:39:47 AM PDT by eartick (Been to the line in the sand and liked it)
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To: penelopesire
good luck with that.
83 posted on 08/06/2013 5:27:25 AM PDT by Drawn7979
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...maybe a


...maybe a




little blow...


lotta blow...


Goofer

84 posted on 08/06/2013 5:33:02 AM PDT by devolve (----- ----- ----- it not unlegal iffen I do*s it ----- ----- -----)
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To: penelopesire

Hello? Congress? Where are you? Checks and Balances? Media? Helloooo!


85 posted on 08/06/2013 5:36:58 AM PDT by Shady (It is called LIBERTY...Freedom linked to Responsibility. Any questions?)
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To: Diogenesis

“So now Obama’s arming of al Qaeda extends to US Hellfire
missiles against freed people.”

Use of Hellfire missiles in Egypt requires a helicopter as a launch vehicle. Just can’t fire it willy-nilly.

The jihadists never fired a Hellfire.

This is poor reporting and wrong reporting by a media dolt that knows nothing about weapons.

Could it be a Hellfire was stolen from an armory when the MB was in power? Could be.

Could it be a stolen Hellfire’s warhead was used as an IED? Could be (and the fact the missile body is relatively intact supports this idea).

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/agm-114-var.htm

“Have the American people EVER been so ashamed
of their own Pentagon helping al Qaeda
after the 911 Atrocities?”

Please explain that comment, please provide a link.


86 posted on 08/06/2013 7:42:41 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: justa-hairyape

That is a nice piece of kit. . .something the Egyptians do not have.


87 posted on 08/06/2013 7:46:28 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

Classified?

No.

FMS security deletions?

Yes.


88 posted on 08/06/2013 7:47:38 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: Hulka

You mean the launch platform in the video ? Well, in this modern world, if the Swedes have it, Muslims have it.


89 posted on 08/06/2013 8:14:53 AM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape

Egypt doesn’t have it.


90 posted on 08/06/2013 8:23:27 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: Hulka

Muslims know how to make it because Muslims are in the Swedish armed forces. Just a launch rail to aim and point. No need for analog directional control. They caught the guys who fired it right away. Close range.


91 posted on 08/06/2013 8:28:00 AM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape

Egypt doesn’t have that piece of kit in their inventory.

Guidance is critical for that system if you hope to hit what you are aiming at, and the ballistic profile (meaning it engages in an upward flight path before coming down from above) make guidance especially important. And to disable the ballistic profile requires some pretty good knowledge of the systems electronics.

Knowledge about weapons technology, electronics, employment envelopes and guidance are key to making the Hellfire more than a simple unguided, un-aimed bottle-rocket. The video was just a simple shot that was unclear in its representation as to what it was shooting at and what, if any, guidance they were using.

No guidance = expensive and ineffective fireworks display.

Of course, you probably have much more experience with these weapons than I do so I defer to you. . .

Cheers.


92 posted on 08/06/2013 8:45:03 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: Hulka

That is not how it was fired. They probably had it mounted onto a truck bed. Parked the truck across the street of the building. Aimed it at the building. And fired. Luckily the warheads or tandem warheads did not go off otherwise the building would have been destroyed. Why do you think they are evacuating US embassies in the Middle East ? Because of a video ? If they can figure out how to set off the warhead, no building will be safe. Just my 2cents.


93 posted on 08/06/2013 8:48:31 AM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape

My knowledge of rockets and the like does not extend beyond the M-79 but one thing I do know is any such weapon is fungible. We give it to say Egypt, it can move on to say Yemen, Syria, Angola or the US.

I see where Bush is having Heart surgury today. I wonder if his open minded immigration policy extends to having a doctor trained in Mexico. Just a though.


94 posted on 08/06/2013 9:01:15 AM PDT by Mouton (108th MI Group.....68-71)
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To: Mouton

There are plenty of ways to modify the $58,000 bottle rocket to make it do some serious damage to a building, but it is probably best to not give them any ideas.


95 posted on 08/06/2013 9:07:02 AM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape

“That is not how it was fired. . . They probably. . .”

Saying as fact that it was NOT fired that way but then go on to say “probably” to describe how you think it may have been shot, not to inflame, but interesting use of words to me.

I am not convinced it was shot at all. If indeed the missile body was from an alleged incident at all.

From my earlier post:

Use of Hellfire missiles in Egypt requires a helicopter as a launch vehicle. Just can’t fire it willy-nilly.

The jihadists never fired a Hellfire.

This is poor reporting and wrong reporting by a media dolt that knows nothing about weapons.

Could it be a Hellfire was stolen from an armory when the MB was in power? Could be.

Could it be a stolen Hellfire’s warhead was used as an IED? Could be (and the fact the missile body is relatively intact supports this idea).”

Just my 2cents.


96 posted on 08/06/2013 9:07:50 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: Hulka

So they used an old missile to make an IED. How did it get into the building ? Did they throw it ?


97 posted on 08/06/2013 9:28:23 AM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape

All the Egyptians I know barely can lift a fork.

The point is, the body of the missile is relatively intact.

That is very telling. . .for weaponeers.

I can guess how it got there but my guess would have no fact as a basis to build on.

I know the weapon and I know its aftermath so when I say I think it might have been an IED, that “guess” is based on knowledge of the weapon.

(I am not convinced the reports are accurate. . .reporters are not to be trusted (enjoy): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2sAFHBptJE


98 posted on 08/06/2013 9:38:08 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: Hulka

Even if we change our pretense to ‘MB TRIED and failed to knock out a building with a Hellfire’ we need to be asking how many more they have, where they got them and how long till they scrape up the cash for a platform that delivers.


99 posted on 08/06/2013 11:14:10 AM PDT by txhurl ('The DOG ate my homework. That homework, too. ALL my homework. OK?' - POSHITUS)
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To: Hulka

The US has been firing HELLFIREs from humvees since 91. The Navy has been firing from ship mounted launchers since before that.

Twin rail launchers that fit standard NATO hard points are part of the system and can be modified, there is no minimum forward airspeed required for launch. The missiles and launch equipment are normally found together in shipments to foreign militaries in aid programs.

Launching from a vehicle is not anything new. If they have more of these, they will figure out how to make them detonate next time.


100 posted on 08/06/2013 12:00:24 PM PDT by wrench
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