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A Warning to the Church in America [Homosexual totalitarianism on the way]
Scott Lively Ministries ^ | June 13, 2013 | Dr. Scott Lively

Posted on 08/05/2013 3:49:06 PM PDT by fwdude

Friends,

I have hesitated about publishing this article because its tone is so dire and so few in the church are ready to receive it. However, just a few days after I wrote it Alan Chambers shut down Exodus International and publicly announced his embrace of the same “gay” theology I warn about in the article. I have taken that as a sign I should release this now.

In a few days the Supreme Court will announce it’s ruling on at least one of the homosexual cases now before it. I’m predicting that we’ll lose at least one of them, probably both, and my guess is the results will be announced on Friday June 28th. That is “Gay Pride Day,” the anniversary of the Stonewall riots in which the homosexual movement shifted its goal from “the right to be left alone,” to absolute control of American culture. It was the birth of homofascism in this nation. If the latter prediction comes true it will be an indication that SCOTUS is now under their control. It will be the symbolic equivalent to the lowering of the American flag and replacement with the rainbow flag. (It is possible, though not likely, they will actually fly the rainbow flag at the court on that day. They do so love to gloat.) However, the warning below applies even if we win both cases! The only question is how fast their army will move against us. If we lose one or both cases it will be “pedal to the metal” just like the drive for “gay marriage” after Lawrence v Texas.

If we do win one of the cases, my guess it will be DOMA. I think Justice Gindberg’s comments last month about Roe v Wade having been a bad ruling because the country wasn’t quite ready for it may have been to telegraph a message to the leftist elite that the court was not going to strike down DOMA. We’ll soon see.

One last comment. In my reading of the Bible these things must take place before the return of the Lord, so I am not discouraged but encouraged. Like a woman going into labor I’m looking past the pain to the blessing that follows.

Yours in Him, Dr. Scott Lively

A WARNING TO THE CHURCH IN AMERICA By Dr. Scott Lively, President, Defend the Family International www.defendthefamily.com, June 13, 2013

You may have heard of me. I am the pastor being sued in U.S. Federal Court for “Crimes Against Humanity” for preaching against homosexuality in Uganda. But I am really a “Canary in the Coal Mine,” with a warning for every Bible-believing Christian in our land, especially pastors and ministry leaders.

The American church is about to come under spiritual and cultural warfare the likes of which we have never seen and which most are not prepared for. The attacks will come from every corner of the secular world to challenge, condemn and punish us for our beliefs about homosexuality. These attacks will split denominations, congregations and even Christian families to a degree and with an intensity that will shock even those who have experienced the first ripples of “gay” conflict in the church over the past few decades. Large numbers of self-identified Christians will begin embracing so-called “Gay Theology,” and some will actually join the attacks against the remnant who stand firm on the truth. The pressure to give in to escape the psychological and sometimes physical persecution of the Christian “homophobes” will be so great that I believe a majority of church-goers will succumb, and a great many pastors will choose to “change with the times,” so as not to lose “their” church.

This collapse of the Christian infrastructure of America is, in my opinion, already in progress and irreversible because it is part of God‘s judgment. The “end-times” revival which many, including myself, expect and eagerly await will not stop this collapse, but will in fact hasten it by strengthening the remnant in their obedience to Christ while hardening the world (and fallen Christians) against us. The crisis will be so pervasive that no-one will be spared the choice of embracing or rejecting Biblical truth on this topic. The whole purpose of this trial is to test the strength of believers to endure greater troubles ahead.

We shouldn’t be surprised that God is using this issue as our test. A careful examination of His Word shows that open homosexuality in the Bible is symbolic of extreme rebellion against God leading to judgment. Thus, unique in all of scripture, Sodom and Gomorrah are destroyed by fire and brimstone as the examplar of God’s wrath (2 Peter 2:6, Jude 1:7, Genesis 19:1-12), male on male sodomy is listed as the most heinous sin on the short list of sins which caused the land to “vomit out” the Canaanites from the territory promised to Abraham (Leviticus 18:1-30, esp. 22), and both male and female homosexuality are together identified as the examplar of the depraved or “reprobate” mind that defines the age of apostasy leading to Christ‘s return (Romans 1:18-32, 2 Timothy 3:1-5).

Noah’s Flood was preceded by the “marrying and giving in marriage” (Matt 24:37-40) of people whose thoughts were “only evil continually” (Genesis 6:5), evidence which the ancient Hebrew scholars interpreted as “gay marriage,” the final insult to God which unleashed the deluge. And in the final book of the Bible, just prior to the return of Christ to “judge and make war” against His enemies (Rev 19:11ff), Jerusalem under the Antichrist is “mystically called Sodom and Egypt,” signifying its essential association (I believe) with homosexuality and Islam respectively (Revelation 11:3-8).

Even 1 Corinthians 6:9-11, the “ex-gay” passage that proves that healed and recovered homosexuals were a part of the church from its earliest days, warns that unrepentant homosexuals “will not enter the Kingdom of Heaven.” There is no room, even when we emphasize compassion for homosexual sufferers, to condone homosexual relationships or worse, to claim that homosexuality is blessed by God as a normal, intended variant of human sexuality.

My life’s work has been to stand against the (increasingly successful) assault of the homosexual movement on Biblical values in our society and around the world. My nearly 25 years of full time, front lines ministry on this battlefield has given me special insights and understanding of this issue. My refusal to be silenced by a long series of increasingly more dishonest and aggressive attacks on my work and reputation has familiarized me both with persecution and with the tactical “playbook” of the “gay” movement. I am thus issuing my warning to the church not so much as a prophesy (though it is confirmed in my spirit), but as the natural conclusion of deductive reasoning by a front-lines analyst with a unique vantage-point. In support of that conclusion, I offer the following observations.

First, on June 28, 1969 the goal of the American homosexual movement shifted from tolerance (the right to be left alone) to control (the complete restructuring of society in its own image, with “gays“ or their surrogates in all seats of power). Its tactics shifted from civil dialogue to implacable militancy. That was the date of the Stonewall Riot in New York City, today celebrated annually as “Gay Pride Day.” Logically, this movement cannot achieve its goal without replacing the Biblical social ethic of marriage-based heterosexual monogamy and the natural family with its own philosophy of unlimited “sexual freedom” (which is in reality moral anarchy). In short, the true and necessary goal of the “gay” movement is the defeat of Christianity.

Second, in the space of just forty years homosexual militants have defeated every secular institution in their path in the United States. The first to fall was the American Psychiatric Association in 1973, when “gay” activists, using Brownshirt tactics of disruption and intimidation, forced the APA to remove homosexuality from its list of mental disorders in its Diagnostic and Statistical Manual IV. The most recent and final secular institution to fall was the Boy Scouts of America in 2013 when the BSA leadership voted to allow openly self-declared homosexual boys into the organization. The next-to-last entity to fall was the U. S. military. In both cases, the first news following the capitulation was of uniformed members of each organization marching triumphantly in “Gay Pride” parades.

Third, the “gays” have always intended to attack the church in the final stage of their conquest of our culture. As early as 1987 they openly admitted this plan in an article called The Overhauling of Straight America, which later became the basis for the book After the Ball, which has ever since been their primary strategic blueprint. They wrote:

When conservative churches condemn gays…we can use talk to muddy the moral waters. This means publicizing support for gays by more moderate churches, raising theological objections of our own about conservative interpretations of biblical teachings, and exposing hatred and inconsistency. Second, we can undermine the moral authority of homophobic churches by portraying them as antiquated backwaters, badly out of step with the times and with the latest findings of psychology. Against the mighty pull of institutional Religion one must set the mightier draw of Science & Public Opinion (the shield and sword of that accursed “secular humanism”). Such an unholy alliance has worked well against churches before, on such topics as divorce and abortion. …. At a later stage…it will be time to get tough with remaining opponents. To be blunt, they must be vilified. (Guide Magazine, November 1987)

Frankly, even at this late stage of the game, much of the church seems to be still asleep or in denial about the state of our culture. Even many conservative Christian leaders who are awake to the seriousness of the crisis are only dimly aware that the culture war at its foundation is and has always been a winner-take-all contest between Christians and homosexual activists. Now that the last secular barriers to the “gay” agenda have been crushed, all of their weapons and all of their warriors will be focused on the last remaining obstacle to their power, the Christian church.

What comes next is a full-on homosexual blitzkrieg against “homophobia” and “hatred” in the church, and a concurrent culture-wide advocacy of “gay theology.” Gone, of course, will be all concern for the “separation of church and state” as the secular powers work hand-in-hand with the “gays” to shame and “correct” the Bible-believing church, using Scripture that has been deviously twisted to fit their goals. The only defense will be Biblical literacy backed unshakable faith. To be blunt, we will be all be vilified and only the strong of faith will endure.

To be sure, one’s view of homosexuality is not necessarily a salvation issue, but one’s ability to cling to Christ through persecution may well be. Will a person too spiritually weak or cowardly to defend Biblical truth on such a clear and fundamental teaching be strong enough to resist the Mark of the Beast? During a time of testing such as we are entering, the Prophet Jeremiah put it this way: “If you have run with footmen and they have tired you out, Then how can you compete with horses? If you fall down in a land of peace, How will you do in the thicket of the Jordan?”

It might not be noticeable now, but their campaign has been launched and will steadily increase in breadth, depth and persuasiveness. Remnant, be prepared, and share this warning.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: homosexualagenda
A very sobering article from the man who truly knows what this battle is about and what stakes are involved. Many here on FR haven't a clue as to the true nature of the sodomite demon - that it is about total destruction, not just a "social issue."

Scott Lively is in the belly of the beast, preaching truth while the beast rages against him. This piece is not for the faint of heart. Be warned.

1 posted on 08/05/2013 3:49:06 PM PDT by fwdude
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To: fwdude

Wow - I guess tomorrow will be Cloudy with a chance of brimstone and fire!


2 posted on 08/05/2013 3:52:21 PM PDT by BCW (Book - http://babylonscovertwar.com/index.html)
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To: fwdude

“...male on male sodomy is listed as the most heinous sin...”

Middle Eastern Moslem men do this all the time and think nothing of it...I witnessed it or caught them in the act — kinda waked around a corner...and SURPRISE!

Uhm...article is interesting....


3 posted on 08/05/2013 3:58:01 PM PDT by BCW (Book - http://babylonscovertwar.com/index.html)
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To: fwdude

4 posted on 08/05/2013 4:04:46 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: BenLurkin

Yes, eventually, the Godly will prevail, but in the meantime, we must get ready.


5 posted on 08/05/2013 4:07:20 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: fwdude

Yeah, as soon as they start killing people, then its time to either flee to Russia or start loading the guns.


6 posted on 08/05/2013 4:09:11 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: fwdude

This article was release shortly before the supreme court effectively legalized homosexual “marriage” in this country. Please go to the article to find the link for the follow-up after the decision.


7 posted on 08/05/2013 4:11:00 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: fwdude

I think that he missed the boat, most churches have already surrendered to the feminist movement. It is rare to see any church following the bibles prohibition on women teaching in the churches (1Timothy 2:11-13, 1Corinthians 4:33-35). Because of that most churches go from being led by men to being mis-led by women to having homosexuals in leadership positions. It was a process that began with compromises that seemed harmless but ultimately have proven to be lethal to the body of Christ.


8 posted on 08/05/2013 4:15:45 PM PDT by trapped_in_LA
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To: fwdude

I’ve always thought that homosexuals (both genders) were real sad sacks. There is nothing right about it and they know it. They made their choice and it’s a terribly sad one. No good comes from it...ever.


9 posted on 08/05/2013 4:19:03 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: fwdude
You know what: this is ok.
Here's why: because even in the Case of Sodom and Gomorrah God saved the righteous — moreover, we members of the church have a very powerful weapon against this: love. I have met a total of one homosexual who it wasn't immediately, intuitively obvious wasn't literally starving for love. (And he could have been good at hiding it.) It's not our place to condemn people, we can let the Holy Spirit do the convicting and the Son the judging, our place is to be a light in the world of darkness, to reflect God's love for even the most sinful of men: a love so great He set aside his kingship and became man, a mere tradesman (as the world would see it), in order to save wretched mankind.

As James says, it's not about which laws are broken, but that they are broken:

James 2:10-13
For whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become accountable for all of it. For the one who said, “You shall not commit adultery,” also said, “You shall not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery but if you murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. So speak and so act as those who are to be judged by the law of liberty. For judgment will be without mercy to anyone who has shown no mercy; mercy triumphs over judgment.
Here we also see an echo of the Lord's Prayer: Forgive us our trespasses, even as we forgive those that trespass against us. Where it seems that the amount we are willing to forgive directly influences the amount that we are [or can be] forgiven.

In short, let the world be dark so that your light may be all the more brilliant; Jesus said:

You are the light of the world. A city built on a hill cannot be hid. 15 No one after lighting a lamp puts it under the bushel basket, but on the lampstand, and it gives light to all in the house. In the same way, let your light shine before others, so that they may see your good works and give glory to your Father in heaven. -- Mat 5:14-16

It is because Jesus came that there is hope for any of us, and not even the strength of the sin of homosexuality is stronger than my God: Jesus.
That is why it is ok.

10 posted on 08/05/2013 4:20:00 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: trapped_in_LA
I think that he missed the boat, most churches have already surrendered to the feminist movement. It is rare to see any church following the bibles prohibition on women teaching in the churches (1Timothy 2:11-13, 1Corinthians 4:33-35). Because of that most churches go from being led by men to being mis-led by women to having homosexuals in leadership positions. It was a process that began with compromises that seemed harmless but ultimately have proven to be lethal to the body of Christ.

I go to the Catholic Church. They do have altar girls but after ALL THESE YEARS there are still no women priests.
The Church has ALWAYS gotten holy heck from other Christian denominations for the failure to allow women priests. I was always very proud of the Church for holding on to that Judaic/Christian tradition of male priests. I do understand that some liberal Jewish traditions DO have women rabbis now. Maybe I'm wrong.

11 posted on 08/05/2013 4:23:55 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: fwdude
sued in U.S. Federal Court for “Crimes Against Humanity” for preaching against homosexuality in Uganda

huh? What does our Federal court have to do with what an individual says in another country? If they do have jurisdiction, how does free speech not apply?
12 posted on 08/05/2013 4:27:19 PM PDT by fuzzylogic (welfare state = sharing consequences of poor moral choices among everybody)
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To: fuzzylogic
What does our Federal court have to do with what an individual says in another country? If they do have jurisdiction, how does free speech not apply?

We are now living in Obamerica. It is NOT anything like the country envisioned by our Founders.

13 posted on 08/05/2013 4:31:44 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: fwdude

14 posted on 08/05/2013 4:35:56 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: fwdude

I believe that one of the paths they will successfully use will be through the Boy Scouts of America.

1. Most scout troops are sponsored by churches, and conduct meetings/activities at their facilities.

2. Scouts have traditionally and consistently won all discrimination cases based upon right of association... which the BSA has now legally forfeited.

3. The link between a scout troop and it’s sponsoring church subjects that church to the same legal vulnerability that the BSA has just stepped into (and doesn’t know it)

4. All it will take is for some parent or scout to say or do the wrong thing at the wrong time... and bam!... lawsuit... Troop loses AND the church it’s associated with loses too.

Right of association is NO LONGER A DEFENSE for BSA or churches they are associated with!!!


15 posted on 08/05/2013 4:44:12 PM PDT by Safrguns (PM me if you like to play Minecraft!)
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To: Safrguns

You are painfully correct with all your points.

Homosexuals constantly build Trojan horses to invade their enemy’s territory. Whether it’s “anti-bullying” campaigns, rights of “their children,” or government benefits, we all need to see that these are just the means to an unrelated end.


16 posted on 08/05/2013 4:52:42 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: fwdude

bump


17 posted on 08/05/2013 4:53:05 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: trapped_in_LA
I think that he missed the boat, most churches have already surrendered to the feminist movement.

You mean most mainline churches have, and even those are not monolithic in allowing this unbiblical travesty. Very very few baptist or other traditional evangelical churches have fallen to this error. Even many Episcopalian churches still resist the feminist heresy. The Episcopal diocese in my own Ft Worth is one that separated because of the degeneracy of what that pit of vipers had become.

18 posted on 08/05/2013 4:56:17 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: fwdude

The newest mode of attack by the Gaystapo is the “anti-discrimination” angle - by declaring any organization with even tangential involvement with the public as a “public accommodation” - their new Golden Calf. They will expand this definition until it encompasses churches. After all, there is only one Roman Catholic Church (and only one Southern Baptist Denomination, and only one Assemblies of God, etc.) and the moral anarchists will say that since these are an integral part of the culture of a particular area, they must, by law, be included, at the risk of being deprived of the benefits of a culture.


19 posted on 08/05/2013 5:01:43 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: fwdude

This was especially important as a tactic in the Obamacare mess. Catholic hospitals underpin the country in terms of both point of patient care AND forgiveness of medical debt.

The idea was to force Catholic hospitals to perform abortions and prescribe birth control pills.


20 posted on 08/05/2013 5:09:25 PM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: fwdude
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The strategic answer: Christian churches JETTISON their "Federal Contractor Status" as IRSW 501 C-3 tax-exempt "secular corporations" ...


Did Jesus Christ pay His (due) taxes to the Pagan, Goddless Roman Empire ?


Yes ... in His statement "Render Unto Caesar" ...


Then "why" do American Christian Churches feel that they are "better" than Him ?


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21 posted on 08/05/2013 5:11:28 PM PDT by Patton@Bastogne (Swine Piss be upon the Sodmite Obama, and his Child-Rapist False Prophet Mohammed)
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To: cloudmountain
They do have altar girls but after ALL THESE YEARS there are still no women priests.

Point made but our Tridentine Mass form of the Latin Rite does not allow female altar servers either.

22 posted on 08/05/2013 5:11:42 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture™)
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To: fwdude
Excellent post. Truly sober reading. Some good comments here on FR, also.

1995 - Scott Lively’s and Kevin Abrams’ controversial book, The Pink Swastika: Homosexuality in the Nazi Party, was published. Its theme was that “butch” homosexuals within the Nazi Party contributed to the extreme militarism and barbarism of Nazi Germany. The authors maintained that a key to understanding the cause of the German social collapse, which culminated in the atrocities of the Third Reich, was found in the conflict of Hellenic and Hebrew (Judeo-Christian) value systems. This war of philosophies, as old as Western civilization itself, pit the homoeroticism of the Greeks against the marriage-and-family-centered heterosexuality of the Jews. Although the Nazis included homosexuals in their persecutions (though at a much lower level than homosexualists contend), the homosexuals they persecuted were almost exclusively the effeminate members of the homosexual community (who they claimed were also very active in the communist party, and therefore political rivals) in Germany. Lively and Abrams also contended that much of the mistreatment in the concentration camps was administered by masculine homosexuals who despised effeminacy in all its forms. The book, and authors, have been subjected to heavy criticism from the homosexual lobby and others. Lively is an author, attorney, and activist, noted for his opposition to LGBTQ rights and his involvement in the ex-gay movement. He is the president of Abiding Truth Ministries, a conservative Christian organization located in Temecula, CA, and the former state director of the CA branch of the American Family Association. He is currently being sued in federal court in MA for inciting persecution of homosexuals during a Uganda speaking tour in 2009. The financial backer of the plaintiff is billionaire financier, 1-world government advocate, and financial donor to many left-wing causes, George Soros. The Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) designated Abiding Truth Ministries and The American Family Association as hate groups.

http://www.thepinkswastika.com/5294/index.html
The Pink Swastika: Homosexuality in the Nazi Party, 5th edition for the internet
by Scott Lively and Kevin Abrams

http://www.drjudithreisman.com/archives/pink_swastika.pdf
The Pink Swastika as Holocaust Revisionist History
by Judith A. Reisman, Ph.D.
The Institute for Media Education

23 posted on 08/05/2013 5:16:16 PM PDT by MacNaughton
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To: steve86
Point made but our Tridentine Mass form of the Latin Rite does not allow female altar servers either.

True.
The Latin Rite was very nice, wasn't it? Now, it doesn't matter what language is spoken, the Mass can be said in the vernacular of any country/culture.
I suppose that's why so many of the Orthodox Churches have rejoined Rome. Latin was one of the original reasons for the schism.

We spent Christmas in Cairo one year. The Mass was in Arabic, Latin, French, English, German and English...bits and pieces. The Pater Noster was in Latin, as I recall. It was the midnight Mass and ended at 2:30 A.M.!! It was really quite beautiful and amazing.

We had asked our Arab taxi driver to wait for us, thinking it would only be an hour or so. I was SO glad that he HAD waited until the Mass ended.

24 posted on 08/05/2013 5:19:37 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: fwdude

Very well written and described. Thank you for the post.


25 posted on 08/05/2013 5:24:13 PM PDT by Hostage (Be Breitbart!)
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To: fwdude
18 ... Even many Episcopalian churches still resist the feminist heresy. The Episcopal diocese in my own Ft Worth is one that separated because of the degeneracy of what that pit of vipers had become.

Just picking nits ... wouldn't it be more accurate to use the term "Anglican" than Episcopal in this case since TEC has gone completely apostate regarding ordaining women, homosexuals and marrying homosexuals? Is the church you are referring to the 1 in Plano, TX?

26 posted on 08/05/2013 5:24:13 PM PDT by MacNaughton
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To: cloudmountain; NYer

That sounds like an interesting experience!

I have attended the Byzantine Rite a couple of times when a visiting priest celebrated it and hope to get to a Maronite Mass in Portland, Or, later this summer or fall. Our own NYer is the official outreach/evangelist for that rite :<)


27 posted on 08/05/2013 5:35:12 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture™)
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To: trapped_in_LA

It is rare to see any church following the bibles prohibition on women teaching in the churches (1Timothy 2:11-13, 1Corinthians 4:33-35).

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I’m a member of WELS (Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod)
and our membership believes the bible is the inspired word of God. We are often criticized for not allowing women to teach or preach. Some say our women members are treated like 2nd class citizens. Nothing can be further from the truth.

Shamefully, other liberal churches choose to condemn us as much as non-believing feminists. Most Christian churches in the U.S have fallen away from the word of God. Leadership positions have been infiltrated by secular humanists and homosexual sympathizers. The Bible means little to them and will only twist and distort their meaning to justify their liberal teachings.


28 posted on 08/05/2013 5:36:25 PM PDT by reaganbooster (The democrat party symbol should be the grim reaper instead of the donkey.)
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To: fwdude

ping


29 posted on 08/05/2013 5:40:14 PM PDT by chuckles
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To: MacNaughton

The Episcopal Diocese of Fort Worth, headed by Bishop Iker.

http://www.fwepiscopal.org/index1.php


30 posted on 08/05/2013 5:46:14 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: Viennacon

ahhh... the in-between times.

I’m looking forward to them


31 posted on 08/05/2013 6:04:49 PM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: fwdude

It has already happened to me and others that were members of a church here in Australia. People that stand for the Word of God are demonized as hateful and mean spirited and everything that, supposedly, makes for being a very bad Christian. There is no intellectual discussion or theological to and fro on the issue their arguments are purely based on emotional rhetoric.

People I know from those days who were basically sitting on the fence on the issue (and who did not leave the church)have ended up as radicalized pro-gay puppets.

Those churches who intend to stand against the tide better now put in place strategies that thwart the attempts of the homos to tear apart the church.

Mel


32 posted on 08/05/2013 6:10:11 PM PDT by melsec (Once a Jolly Swagman camped by a Billabong.)
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To: fwdude

Spiritual warfare! Satan is on a rampage in ALL areas. God’s Word, Money, health mental/physical, children, etc. He attacks ALL but MOSTLY those doing the work of The LORD and that should be no surprise.


33 posted on 08/05/2013 6:27:32 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: fwdude
It is NOT anything like the country envisioned by our Founders.

envisioned?? It is NOT anything like the country that we had before '08.

34 posted on 08/05/2013 6:33:15 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: cloudmountain

This is more than just homosexuality. Think about it, the whole world is in on this except for a few countries. Never thought I would say it, but God bless Russia for standing firm, so far. This is the Devil’s last stand, the ultimate middle finger to our Lord. I tremble too at what is about to come, especially for our children.


35 posted on 08/05/2013 7:02:09 PM PDT by stevio (God, guns, guts.)
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To: stevio
This is more than just homosexuality. Think about it, the whole world is in on this except for a few countries. Never thought I would say it, but God bless Russia for standing firm, so far. This is the Devil’s last stand, the ultimate middle finger to our Lord. I tremble too at what is about to come, especially for our children.

I wholly agree. Homosexuality is just one of many permutations of self-idolatry. God will have the last word finally. But we are in for unspeakable evil that even we cannot fathom until that final reckoning.

36 posted on 08/06/2013 11:43:04 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: cloudmountain
I do understand that some liberal Jewish traditions DO have women rabbis now. Maybe I'm wrong.

You are not wrong. Some of the more liberal Jewish 'temples' have female rabbis, but as a Jewish friend of mine told me, some of those temples don't even teach belief in God as a requirement to be Jewish. I was dumbfounded when she said this, and my question was if they still consider themselves to be the "Chosen People, just who do they think CHOSE them?"

37 posted on 08/08/2013 7:31:34 PM PDT by SuziQ
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I do understand that some liberal Jewish traditions DO have women rabbis now. Maybe I'm wrong.
You are not wrong. Some of the more liberal Jewish 'temples' have female rabbis, but as a Jewish friend of mine told me, some of those temples don't even teach belief in God as a requirement to be Jewish. I was dumbfounded when she said this, and my question was if they still consider themselves to be the "Chosen People, just who do they think CHOSE them?"

Lol. Incredible, just incredible. Why even join a congregation? Maybe they have great luncheons every third Tuesday of the month. :o)

38 posted on 08/09/2013 9:40:58 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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