Posted on 08/06/2013 4:08:22 AM PDT by IbJensen
(CNSNews.com) - House Budget Chairman Paul Ryan said on CBS's "Face the Nation" on Sunday that the Republican-controlled House of Representatives would not take up the immigration bill that was approved by the Senate, but would instead take a "step-by-step approach" in which illegal aliens would go "on probation" before they were eventually allowed to "get a green card."
"So what we're going to do is take a step-by-step approach to get immigration right, not a big massive bill, but separate bills so people know what's in these bills," said Ryan.
"We don't have control of our border," said Ryan. "We don't know who is coming and going in this country. We need real border enforcement and that means we really don't trust the administration with discretion in this area. So we need a border enforcement law, first and foremost, that cannot be voided.
"We need interior enforcement and we need to fix our legal immigration system," said Ryan. "Right now, people come to this country based on family relations, not based on skills. Most other countries have a legal immigration system that's good for their economy, we should do the same.
"And when it comes to the undocumented, people who came here illegally, we want to give people a chance to get right with the law while respecting the rule of law, and that means not doing an amnesty," said Ryan. "So, we've got specific ideas that we're looking at on how to get people to come and get right with the law.
"That means go on probation," said Ryan. "You have to do certain terms of probation, and it's a one strike policy if you don't meet the conditions of your probation. Pay fines, pay back taxes, get a background check, learn English, learn civics and then make sure that we independently verify we've actually secured the border, we have our interior enforcement provisions like e-verify and a visa tracking system in place. Then and only then can that person get a legal work permit, no special path way.
"And if a person in this situation wants to get in the line to get a green card, they can get in the line like any other immigrant, only at the back of the line, because we want to be fair to that legal immigrant who did everything right in the first place," said Ryan. "We think that's the right way to go. That's the opposite of amnesty."
So we need a border enforcement law, first and foremost, that cannot be voided.
We have one, legislator that isn't enforced. What we need is a Congress that halts the legislation mill and awakens to the realization that this nation is being stolen while the Congress is stalling and continually churns out mountains of laws and regulations that have nothing to do with clarifying but everything to do with obfuscation, confusion and the creation of tremendous anger and frustration on the part of Americans.
America is saddled with a ruling class apparently determined to keep the influx of cheap labor going indefinitely,with no concern for the negative effects on the American people today or on future generations.
Solid conservatives must either take back the Republican Party, or establish with all speed a third political party that will decimate this ONE party system and put a stop to this insanity.
I thought the green card was probation of a sort.
Yeah...go on probation...learn English..back of the line .... learn civics....brush your teeth...comb your hair...blah blah blah. If this abortion of an immigration plan comes to fruition, who wants to bet how fast a lawsuit is filed on behalf of all 50 million for unequal treatment and violation of civil liberties? Yeah....if they were to go to the back of the line, then they'd fall at the end of quotas for each country, wouldn't they? I'm guessing Mexico, Chile, Nicaragua, et al don't have a combined quota of 50 million like these illegals will amount to.
This all idealist compromising elitist bullsh!t appeasement and self-delusion at the same time. There's a reason why they wanted to come here to and rob, rape and pillage our resources. A free country with laws that can/will be used against us. Under such laws, virtually EVERY ONE of these hokey conditions will be vacated. Count on it.
So, Mr. Ryan (here's hoping they boot your ass out of office next chance), it IS amnesty. Nothing but. And your promises are nothing but the same tripe a little two-year old will promise to keep from having to go to sleep. Shame on you, you snit.
Any bill, ANY BILL that has a scarce mention of immigration will be:
*sent to the House-Senate conference committee
*gutted and replaced with a Senate Trojan for amnesty
*sent back to the House for a vote
*will pass with all the democrats and 18 moderate republicans voting for it.
In other words, ANY BILL will result in AMNESTY and a permanent democrat majority for generations to come.
NO BILL, ZIP, ZILCH, NADA, NOTHING UNTIL CONSERVATIVES CONTROL THE HOUSE, SENATE AND WHITE HOUSE!!!
NO BILL
Any Bill will be stretched to the max by the Senate.
Ryan isn’t stupid—he knows that, He is selling us out.
Friend-to-illegal-aliens-Traitor-to-America PING
No, Paul. Illegals leave the country and get in line and immigrate the LEGAL way. Just because they broke into our house, they don’t get a leg up. If anything, they should be permanently denied citizenship FOR breaking our laws.
Ryan is carrying water for the Bushes, Rove and Cheney types.
This is my takeaway point from Ryan, him claiming that giving those who came here and lived here illegally permanent legalization and citizenship is not amnesty because that is putting them to ‘ the back of the line’.
This is the Rubio line too.
As my tagline says, giving them citizenship while allowing them (ilegals) to live and work here is pushing them to the front of the line, so Rubio and Ryan are outright lying.
(just needed to be said again)
ANYTHING that lets the criminals stay here is unacceptable. They are non-uniformed enemy combatants attacking our border and they should be expelled (Or shot, I'm not picky)
What this traitor to our country is proposing is total amnesty.
How about this: Illegal aliens go home because we severely punish hiring any person who is here illegally. Then we set up a fund to start rounding up illegal males from 18 to 60 and send them back first cutting off support for their illegal Democrat families; we provide “Return home money” to their families to get them to leave as well; then we build a barrier on our borders - whatever that might be, fence or trench - and keep the damned doors slammed shut!
Ryan is another of the Jack French Kemp progeny. All talk and no action
1) Secure our border, like every other country in the world does with theirs.
2) Streamline our legal immigration system and determine exactly what skills we want to allow in.
3) Dry up jobs, welfare, food stamps and all other benefits for illegals. Criminalize being here illegally with prison time.
4) Amnesty = illegals have 2 months to go home before we start hunting them down.
That plan I could support. However this BS they are trying to shove on us will not do. We tried blanket amnesty before (’86) on the promise of border security and the border never happened. We cannot allow Congress to fool us again.
As long as they are not made to go home and apply, it IS amnesty.
America is experiencing violent crime sprees unlike any time in our history. It’s bad enough to have the indigenous permanent underclass committing these horrific crimes, but with the added illegals joining in the situation becomes much worse.
The illegals need to be rounded up, deported or, if criminal acts have been committed either execute or imprison them.
We need to redefine prison time and also need to expand the death penalty to cover more serious crimes than at present. Additionally, America needs to streamline its system of justice. Speedy trials, a review and then the sentence carried out.
Those who are spared capital punishment should work for 8-10 hours every day and live out their sentences in cells that are bare. It’s a prison and not a Holiday Inn.
I believe that immigration needs to be completely shut down until the border with Mexico is mined or otherwise made impassable. Our central socialist government is so incompetent that it’s rendered incapable of administering a proper immigration policy.
I think these two are joined at the hip:
The first in line for the no-skill jobs should be teenagers entering the jobs market for the first time.
The second in line would be all the citizen gimme-girls and other able-bodies welfare parasites, in exchange for "benefits".
In a good economy, both of the above classes should be able to climb the ladder quite well once they develop a work ethic, gain job skills, and discover better opportunities.
Most of these who slink over our border like weasels haven’t the sense to wipe their asses. They were, where they came from, and will be here a permanent underclass of leaches.
Clean out the nests of these criminals and send them back over the border, but remember to lock the door after them to prevent their return as well as the entry of newcomers.
Oh, and take your anchors with you.
They could solve the invasion problem today... but we already know there’s a bipartisan cabal that doesn’t want to.
I’m glad the “back of the line” language gets used so often, because you can instantly know that whoever uses it is flagrantly, deliberately lying.
Ok, fine. Let’s invade Mexico then. take the place over. if they can come and go as they please anyway, we may as well own the place.
We can keep the fence they have between them and Guatemala.
How many different passports do they get before they earn double-probation?
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One more thing to consider with this nonsense: there has been a bit of noise now about raising the minimum wage, and by quite a bit. Can anyone not see a larger horde of people zooming for the borders here once they believe they will be making a minimum of $15 per hour? Of course they don’t realize, or care, that this will raise prices so the net affect will be zero but it will look good to the insanely stupid. Then again, Barackanomics will probably kick in and he will just freeze prices and not understand why there is nothing to buy and unemployment is 99%.
That’s a lot of work for what is still amnesty, Ryan.
Close the border first, close the border now. Make us a nation that respects the rule of law again.
FUPR!
What career is Ryan going to follow when his butt is voted out of office?
That can’t be voided?
Like congress and their staff having to participate in ObamaCare just like the rest of us?
Yeah, right.
Say good-night, Paul.
This song and dance seems to be aimed at poorly informed constituents (and congresscritters who want to pretend that they are "against amnesty" of course).
The illegal aliens have never been here legally...
They have not ever earned immigration or a green card or citizenship
I’ve never been to Harvard...
Let’s see what Ryan has to say...
Paul Ryan: Harvard Plan Says Nana Goes ‘On Probation’ Then ‘Gets a Diploma’
After all...
It’s only fair..
No dice, not unless it’s double secret probation.
With the Democrats in power the rule of law has been suspended. All laws are being selectively enforced and used as tools to advance a political agenda.
The best thing the Republicans can do on immigration is dig in their heels and stop any legislation from moving forward.
And we can hope and pray that Americans will come to their senses for the next two federal elections.
Back in 2007 Bush, McCain, Tony Snowe all used those same argument as Ryan/Rubio are now, that paying a fine (back taxes???) and some probation period magically made a Green card and citizenship into something other than amnesty.
But clearly if they get to still stay here and get citizenship or even a green card that is a jump ahead.
Those waiting in other countries the legal way will be losing out to them. they wont be getting EITC and instate tuition discounts and minority Affirm Action status and on., while outside the country.
Now it is true that family members get a jump ahead too under the current system. That is a flaw.
Every politician is playing this deceitful game with us.
If any criminal trespasser is allowed to stay in this country they must first be charged with the very first crime they committed and that was violating our sovereign borders. It is a felony and our politicians are making sure these sneak thieves are never charged with the proper crime.
WHY? Obvious, if they were charged for the crime they committed they could not vote.
ANY politician or government official who took an oath to support the US Constitution and allows any of these criminal trespassers to remain without being charged with that crime, must be, at bare minimum, removed from office.
Actually I would prefer to see some serious jail time for any government official who violates their oath to the Constitution.
Unless congress passes an amnesty bill, then ‘illegally’ magically becomes ‘legally’,
just like laws can turn two men committing sodomy magically into ‘marriage;’, same as our Moms and Dads
Bottom line is our gub’mint refuses to enforce current immigration laws now and sure as hell won’t enforce any amnesty laws later.
WHAT PART OF ILLEGAL INVADER DOES THE STUPID IDIOT NOT UNDERSTAND? DEPORT THEM ALL, then Americans can have their jobs. And you won’t be importing your next doctor with all those visas, who quite because of 0’care.
There is one idea floated in House and Cruz offered it as an amendment that actually addresses that problem, a bill that allows the states to enforce Brewer type illegal check laws without Federal interference, that they get now by Holder going to court.
10 seconds probation.
Time as an illegal counts for citizenship.
False claim of enough time.
11 seconds into the proces, PRESTO, instant AMNESTY citizenship.
This is all about dragging us into committee to pass the senate version.
Great. So if I rob a bank, I go on probation and keep the money. Cool...
So probation then amnesty? Well I guess thats OK then.
Right. Get them the hell out of the country that our government refuses to protect, then after they’re over the fence make the area between Mexico and the USA no-man’s land by mining it!
Clean out the White Hut and Congress. Start over again with a patriotic party of the right wing.
They fill up my mailbox and continuously call me for donations over the phone. I’ve told them until I’m blue in the face that I’m no longer a Republican which causes audible gasps. When they ask to what party I belong I tell them that I am now a Monarchist.
You’re right. With the Damned Democrats (the damned Republicrats are another matter entirely) America is now a lawless nation. Babies get shot to death in their perambulators and then the mother is left for dead.
They travel in gangs preying upon innocent young couples, then they beat the crap out of the boy, rape the girl multiple times, then kill both.
Racial profiling? You betcha! Concealed carry? Yes indeed. Stand your ground? Only a coward wouldn’t.
American streets and cities are being taken over by a permanent criminal underclass that continues to prove that in America DIVERSITY is not our strength!
If we owned Mexico and a proper government was installed in the nation’s capitol as well as in all states, we could have all the homosexuals deported. Mexico would become a sort of Devil’s Island for our miscreants and perverts.
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