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Alex Rodriguez Suspended Through 2014, Still Belongs In The Hall Of Fame
FORBES ^ | August 5, 2013 | Chris Smith

Posted on 08/06/2013 6:07:23 AM PDT by NotYourAverageDhimmi

After weeks of waiting, MLB has finally announced its Biogenesis suspensions. Twelve players have been hit with 50-game suspensions, and Alex Rodriguez has been issued a suspension through the 2014 season for a total 211 games. Because A-Rod’s suspension will come under the Joint Drug Agreement, he can still play while he appeals the punishment and will be in the New York Yankees’ lineup tonight for the first time this season.

Many have questioned how the suspension will impact Rodriguez’s “legacy” (see here, here and here), and it’s a subject that will undoubtedly be debated for years to come. What’s not up for debate, though, is that A-Rod has been among baseball’s best players since he took over as the Seattle Mariners’ starting shortstop in 1996, and he ranks among the most dangerous hitters of all time.

Rodriguez is currently 16th in career wins above replacement (Fangraphs) with 114, ranking ahead of Rickey Henderson, Jimmie Foxx, Mike Schmidt and Carl Yastrzemski. He is fifth all-time in home runs with 647, and he ranks second behind only Barry Bonds among those who played during the steroid era. In other words, of all the sluggers who used – or allegedly used – performance enhancers, only one has gone deep more times than A-Rod. His three MVP awards are tied for second-most in history, and in 19 seasons he’s ranked among the top ten in MVP voting ten times.

Put more simply, Rodriguez absolutely dominated his era and is an all-time great. If not for steroid allegations, Rodriguez would not only be a shoo-in for the Hall of Fame, but a likely choice for first-ballot enshrinement.

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1 posted on 08/06/2013 6:07:23 AM PDT by NotYourAverageDhimmi
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To: NotYourAverageDhimmi
He will NOT be a first ballot inductee when eligible..

Meanwhile, I posted yesterday, somewhat tongue in cheek..that ALL the suspended players ( except Braun) are Latino...nobody in the sports media has touched that one as yet..

2 posted on 08/06/2013 6:09:53 AM PDT by ken5050 (My tagline is on summer break..)
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To: NotYourAverageDhimmi

No he doesn’t...he cheated. Period.


3 posted on 08/06/2013 6:09:56 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: ken5050

Yeah, well ... I heard they’re tryin’ to silence ANOTHER player ... Ben Ghazi.


4 posted on 08/06/2013 6:15:39 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: NotYourAverageDhimmi

...Alex.... drug user...
Consider him AFTER Pete Rose


5 posted on 08/06/2013 6:16:22 AM PDT by ptsal (Repubicans swallowing more kool-aide from Rove & Kristol)
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To: NotYourAverageDhimmi

Drug user, fornicator and selfish, deceptive narcissist. No doubt he reflects the values and customs the culture that spawned him. Hall of Fame? He is a prime candidate to be a Democratic nominee.


6 posted on 08/06/2013 6:17:06 AM PDT by allendale
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To: NotYourAverageDhimmi

No one who artificially enhanced their stats through anything should be in the hall of fame.

Rodriguez admitted to doing so earlier in his career, he’s accused of it again, but that he’s already admitted to past use is all I need to know. It means his stats aren’t real.

Since his stats aren’t real, he shouldn’t be in the Hall of Fame. It’s not even a hard question to answer.


7 posted on 08/06/2013 6:18:06 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: ptsal

Luckily, no one really considers either wiener head for the Hall


8 posted on 08/06/2013 6:20:02 AM PDT by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: NotYourAverageDhimmi

This clown fails to see the absurdity of skipping over Bonds to induct AR. And after citing Bonds as having better stats.


9 posted on 08/06/2013 6:22:18 AM PDT by RGSpincich
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To: NotYourAverageDhimmi

He belongs in the Hall of Shame.


10 posted on 08/06/2013 6:22:47 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: NotYourAverageDhimmi
If he was,in fact,using steroids...or anything resembling steroids...he doesn't belong in the Hall of Fame any more than does Pete Rose.
11 posted on 08/06/2013 6:22:52 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (If Obama Had A City It Would Look Like Detroit.)
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To: NotYourAverageDhimmi

Yeah, he belongs in the Dopers Hall of Fame.


12 posted on 08/06/2013 6:26:28 AM PDT by Third Person (Welcome to Gaymerica.)
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To: ptsal
Consider him AFTER Pete Rose

Consider Pete Rose decades AFTER Shoeless Joe Jackson.

13 posted on 08/06/2013 6:28:04 AM PDT by Scoutmaster (What happens over the rainbow stays over the rainbow)
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To: NotYourAverageDhimmi

Inducting drug-enhanced record holders is no different than giving a Nobel Prize to assholes who have done nothing at all (most accomplish nothing, though drug-enhanced, in that case).


14 posted on 08/06/2013 6:31:43 AM PDT by traditional1 (Amerika.....Providing public housing for the Mulatto Messiah)
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To: ken5050

He will never get in. It’s not all about numbers. Obviously, this author hasn’t read the voting rules that refer to integrity and sportsmanship. This is why Bonds, McGwire and the rest of the cheaters will never get in either.


15 posted on 08/06/2013 6:36:21 AM PDT by larryleo (We all need to get Newtered!)
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To: ken5050

I read a story last night that MLB is aware young Caribbeans are using steroids since in their countries there is no regulation compared to here and then drafting them to play over Americans that work the old fashioned way.


16 posted on 08/06/2013 6:37:46 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: allendale
Drug user, fornicator and selfish, deceptive narcissist. No doubt he reflects the values and customs the culture that spawned him. Hall of Fame? He is a prime candidate to be a Democratic nominee.

Post of the day. ...an ego like that won't be silenced.

17 posted on 08/06/2013 6:40:58 AM PDT by TexasCajun (Creepy-Ass Cracka -- Don't Call Me Cracker)
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To: Resolute Conservative

If you have the link..I’d appreciate it...


18 posted on 08/06/2013 6:43:40 AM PDT by ken5050 (My tagline is on summer break..)
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To: allendale
Drug user, fornicator and selfish, deceptive narcissist. No doubt he reflects the values and customs the culture that spawned him. Hall of Fame? He is a prime candidate to be a Democratic nominee.

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LOL! That was awesome.

19 posted on 08/06/2013 6:46:05 AM PDT by NotYourAverageDhimmi
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To: NotYourAverageDhimmi
"If not for steroid allegations, Rodriguez would not only be a shoo-in for the Hall of Fame, but a likely choice for first-ballot enshrinement."

"Apart from voting in elections, the 700,000 remaining residents of the Motor City are no more responsible for Detroit's problems than were the victims of Hurricane Sandy for theirs." Steven "Rat" Rattner

"If we had some eggs we could have eggs and ham, if we had some ham." Groucho Marks.

20 posted on 08/06/2013 6:51:42 AM PDT by NonValueAdded ("When there is no penalty for failure, failures proliferate." George F. Will)
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To: NotYourAverageDhimmi

Just do like cycling did with Lance Armstrong, simply delete all stats & records for any years where he was doing illegal drugs, then re-evaluate his career numbers.


21 posted on 08/06/2013 6:51:55 AM PDT by canuck_conservative
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To: ken5050

More interesting is that 8 of the 13 are or were clients of the sports agency, ACES.
2013 clients busted for PED’s

- Nelson Cruz (left today)

- Jordany Valdespin

- Antonio Bastardo

- Sergio Escalona

- Jesus Montero

- Jhonny Peralta

- Francisco Cerveli (left in 2012)

- Everth Cabrera (left in 2012)

If you are a MLB player and they represent you, find a new agency now.


22 posted on 08/06/2013 6:53:02 AM PDT by Kozy (Calling Al Gore)
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To: Timber Rattler

By cheating you mean his use of testosterone and HGH? So other than providing him with a competitive advantage of quicker recovery time, ask yourself did it improve his batting average or fielding? One could Rgue that it may have given him additional strength to muscle say 15-20 more homers than usual but so what.

If these PEDs were all they claim then how is that the guys in the minors, who are still in the minors, have not made the jump to the bigs let alone are today’s stars.

Hitting 3 out of 10 is still the gold standard in baseball and the last I checked only 26 players are currnently above that mark. ARod gas a lifetime average of .300 and if he was getting a “boost” from the PEDs then can someone explain to me his .263 post season career average.


23 posted on 08/06/2013 6:57:23 AM PDT by shotgun
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To: ken5050

It is old but I just found it:

http://www.drclas.harvard.edu/publications/revistaonline/spring-2012/caribbean-baseball

Here are some more:

http://www.e-steroid.com/steroids-blog/dominican-baseball-players-more-prone-to-steroids-use.html

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2033711


24 posted on 08/06/2013 6:58:12 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: NotYourAverageDhimmi
If not for steroid allegations, Rodriguez would not only be a shoo-in for the Hall of Fame

This cheater should be laughed out of the game. ARod should have a lifetime ban.

Pete Rose broke a rule but just damn, he didn't cheat - for years.

25 posted on 08/06/2013 6:58:48 AM PDT by Principled
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To: NotYourAverageDhimmi

Rodriguez most definitely does NOT belong in the HoF.

He disappeared in post season. His numbers are deceiving, he does great when nothing is on the line, but folds when it matters.


26 posted on 08/06/2013 6:59:59 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: larryleo
He will never get in. It’s not all about numbers. Obviously, this author hasn't’t read the voting rules that refer to integrity and sportsmanship. This is why Bonds, McGwire and the rest of the cheaters will never get in either.

Right on. Sports writers are hero worshippers and they won't go to the dark side for their hero's. His number mean nothing now. He is a cheat.

27 posted on 08/06/2013 7:00:03 AM PDT by Kozy (Calling Al Gore)
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To: NotYourAverageDhimmi
If not for steroid allegations, Rodriguez would not only be a shoo-in for the Hall of Fame, but a likely choice for first-ballot enshrinement.

As if Rodriquez was using steroids to re-grow hair. Is the writer this dense?

28 posted on 08/06/2013 7:00:32 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: NotYourAverageDhimmi
Yeah, PEDs really "helped" Nelson Cruz.

Now he's ruined two Rangers' seasons.

29 posted on 08/06/2013 7:01:58 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: NotYourAverageDhimmi

The is so wrong.


30 posted on 08/06/2013 7:03:25 AM PDT by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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To: Resolute Conservative
Many thanks....bookmark for later reading....

Have a nice day!!

31 posted on 08/06/2013 7:04:19 AM PDT by ken5050 (My tagline is on summer break..)
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To: dfwgator
Now he's ruined two Rangers' seasons.

We'll see...Rangers 5; Angels 2 without Cruz...they face weak opposition throughout August.

32 posted on 08/06/2013 7:07:27 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: who knows what evil?

Well maybe the other guys will step up. And they do have fairly solid pitching.


33 posted on 08/06/2013 7:08:34 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: who knows what evil?

At least it should improve their defense.


34 posted on 08/06/2013 7:08:56 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

Did you see Murphy in right last night? :-)


35 posted on 08/06/2013 7:09:51 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: who knows what evil?

Well I didn’t say it would be a big improvement.


36 posted on 08/06/2013 7:10:41 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator
And they do have fairly solid pitching.

No question about that...

37 posted on 08/06/2013 7:10:48 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: NotYourAverageDhimmi

Say it ain’t to, A-Rod.


38 posted on 08/06/2013 7:11:46 AM PDT by Redmen4ever
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To: NotYourAverageDhimmi

Allegations?


39 posted on 08/06/2013 7:12:16 AM PDT by ExpatGator (I hate Illinois Nazis!)
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To: NotYourAverageDhimmi

Pete Rose will get into the Hall of Fame before A-Roid.


40 posted on 08/06/2013 7:16:50 AM PDT by MIchaelTArchangel (Have a wonderful day!)
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To: bmwcyle
"The is so wrong"

What is so wrong about "the"?

Leni

41 posted on 08/06/2013 7:20:44 AM PDT by MinuteGal (West-Central Florida Get-Together Brunch - Next Sat. Freepmail me @ "MinuteGal")
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To: ptsal

Absolutely!


42 posted on 08/06/2013 7:21:01 AM PDT by Straight8
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To: Hegewisch Dupa

Are you kidding me? Which stats do you consider not legit? I guess if he was a lifetime .260 hitter, with a 125 hr, 80 3b, 250 2b, 1200 total hits he would be considered legit. Please see my earlier post and exain to me how any of the the cheating arguments can be explained. Do a side by side comparison of any of the big names that have been tainted against the all time legends of the game and then post your analysis of which stats aren’t legit. The only one that will stand out is home runs, but then how many of those came against the best pitchers versus some shlub middle deliver or flash in the pan 2-5 year guys?


43 posted on 08/06/2013 7:26:16 AM PDT by shotgun
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To: Principled

Pete Rose broke a rule after he retired as a player and was a manager. He only bet on his team to win. Never accused of cheating or throwing games. Seems like a good way to motivate someone, if you win you make money, you lose and you don’t get paid. IMHO, Pete has been punished long enough. He was a great player.


44 posted on 08/06/2013 7:26:40 AM PDT by MPJackal ("From my cold dead hands.")
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To: NotYourAverageDhimmi

Pete Rose got pinched for betting on his own team TO WIN, and he’s still not in the hall of fame. A-Roid’s flat out cheated to give himself and edge. He should never be allowed in.


45 posted on 08/06/2013 7:30:01 AM PDT by Jack of all Trades (Hold your face to the light, even though for the moment you do not see.)
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To: shotgun

don’t recall saying a word about stats.


46 posted on 08/06/2013 7:30:47 AM PDT by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: MPJackal

Yeah Pete Rose IMO was the greatest all-around player the game has seen - or at least a darn good argument can be made so.

And he did not use PEDs. He could just do it.


47 posted on 08/06/2013 7:33:22 AM PDT by Principled
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To: MPJackal

oh yes, gambling is good for the game - brilliant! What could possibly go wrong?


48 posted on 08/06/2013 7:35:37 AM PDT by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: MinuteGal

This


49 posted on 08/06/2013 8:14:54 AM PDT by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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To: Hegewisch Dupa
oh yes, gambling is good for the game - brilliant! What could possibly go wrong?

He he he nobody thinks gambling is good for the game LOL. But a comparison between the punishments for gambling and years of PED usage shows that gambling has a much, much greater punishment than years of PEDs.

That is what the problem is IMO.

I would think that whatever the punishment for a manager betting to win would not be as severe as a player cheating with PEDs for years.

just sayin'...

Pete Rose didn't cheat.

50 posted on 08/06/2013 8:19:56 AM PDT by Principled
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