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George W. Bush Undergoes Heart Surgery
NBCDFW ^ | 08/06/2013 | Greg Janda

Posted on 08/06/2013 7:07:45 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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1 posted on 08/06/2013 7:07:45 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Placing a stent is not surgery.


2 posted on 08/06/2013 7:10:22 AM PDT by Gamecock (Member: NAACAC)
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To: Gamecock

I know. I’m not allowed to change the title though.


3 posted on 08/06/2013 7:11:52 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: Gamecock

So how do they get it in? Through his nose?

It’s surgery because it is an invasive process. It’s not open heart surgery. But cutting into someone is surgery.


4 posted on 08/06/2013 7:11:53 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (Does anybody really know what time it is? Does anybody really care?)
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To: SeekAndFind

Prayers for this good man to have a rapid and complete recovery...and no more problems with this issue! God bless him and Laura!


5 posted on 08/06/2013 7:23:20 AM PDT by LUV W (All my heroes wear camos! Thank you David, Michael, Chris Txradioguy, JJ, CMS, & ALL of you heroes!)
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To: snugs; Kaslin; DollyCali; silent_jonny; daisyscarlett; Carolinamom; SoCalPol; DrDeb; MJY1288; ...

GW prayer ping!


6 posted on 08/06/2013 7:26:57 AM PDT by LUV W (All my heroes wear camos! Thank you David, Michael, Chris Txradioguy, JJ, CMS, & ALL of you heroes!)
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To: SeekAndFind

I had 3 stents implanted a while ago and doing fine. The doctors told my my body had created one of it’s own to bypass a problem. Interesting.


7 posted on 08/06/2013 7:29:26 AM PDT by McGruff (I need a new party.)
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To: Gamecock
Placing a stent is not surgery.

Poppycock. What is your personal definition of surgery?

8 posted on 08/06/2013 7:30:12 AM PDT by NautiNurse (That is retarted, Sir.)
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To: McGruff

My sister’s heart “grew a bypass” as well. God created an amazing system, huh?


9 posted on 08/06/2013 7:32:13 AM PDT by 5thGenTexan
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To: Vermont Lt

“But cutting into someone is surgery.”

There is no cutting. The stent is usually inserted by catheter through the groin area, up the artery to the heart.


10 posted on 08/06/2013 7:35:49 AM PDT by Mashood
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To: Vermont Lt

While I’m personally inclined to agree with you, the last time I had a stent put in they (the Cardiologist, other doc and nurses) said it was a ‘procedure’ and not a ‘surgery’. I’m not sure what the distinction is.

They can call it whatever they want, as long as I’m feeling better when they’re done.

All of that said- it’s not that difficult to go through. Hope he didn’t have a heart attack to put him on the table like a lot of us do.


11 posted on 08/06/2013 7:36:15 AM PDT by Riley (The Fourth Estate is the Fifth Column.)
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To: Gamecock

“Placing a stent is not surgery.”

Indeed. It’s a procedure. But everyone should know by now that reporters don’t actually KNOW anything about what they huff and puff about.


12 posted on 08/06/2013 7:36:38 AM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: LUV W

Prayers up!


13 posted on 08/06/2013 7:37:18 AM PDT by left that other site (You Shall Know the Truth, and the Truth Shall Set You Free...John 8:32)
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To: Gamecock

I beg to differ with you...what would you call the procedure?

any time a person is sedated and unaware...it is medically called surgery..I have lived with a heart diseased person for 52 years...a quad bypass, and stents number of times, and now his second defibrillator is implanted...they have come a long way with caring for the heart...how thankful we who have endured this know...

this morning my brother in law just was released from hospital after having two stents implanted...a family of eight males, all with heart disease...inherited from both sides of the family...

we wish GWB the best..he is a strong willed man and will do well..


14 posted on 08/06/2013 7:39:05 AM PDT by haircutter
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To: Mashood
my husbands stents didn't go through a catheter, they did go into the groin area with an incision ..

and we don't know how they did GWB, only the doctors reporting he HAD HEART SURGERY...

15 posted on 08/06/2013 7:43:48 AM PDT by haircutter
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To: haircutter

No need to cut for one stent (preventative).


16 posted on 08/06/2013 7:49:39 AM PDT by Mashood
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To: Gamecock
Placing a stent is not surgery.

It's an invasive,and not fool-proof,procedure.I have a saying that I picked up after having worked in a hospital for 20 years...."minor surgery is surgery done on someone else".

17 posted on 08/06/2013 7:50:46 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (If Obama Had A City It Would Look Like Detroit.)
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To: SeekAndFind

This is a surprise given the former president’s regimen for exercise and outdoor work.


18 posted on 08/06/2013 7:53:19 AM PDT by CedarDave (Trayvon Martin history: The MS media is in love with burglars and thugs in training.)
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To: Gay State Conservative
and not fool-proof

Our neighbor's mom stroked out during an angiogram; left her with very poor vision for the rest of her life.

19 posted on 08/06/2013 8:00:19 AM PDT by ErnBatavia (Carlos Danger for mayor....NYC deserves him)
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To: Mashood

The worst part is the twelve hours of total immobility following that little groin incision into the artery.


20 posted on 08/06/2013 8:03:11 AM PDT by ErnBatavia (Carlos Danger for mayor....NYC deserves him)
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To: CedarDave
This is a surprise given the former president’s regimen for exercise and outdoor work.

Maybe he was funding that regimen with pork, fat, and bear meat, washed down with dairy products from watered stock.

21 posted on 08/06/2013 8:03:21 AM PDT by HomeAtLast
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To: CedarDave
This is a surprise given the former president’s regimen for exercise and outdoor work.

He should donate blood every eight weeks, on a schedule. Lots of people accumulate cholesterol in their arteries. I give mine away, a pint at a time.

22 posted on 08/06/2013 8:12:48 AM PDT by Haiku Guy (Gun Control Haiku: Say "Registration" / And they call you paranoid / So say "Privacy")
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To: haircutter
my husbands stents didn't go through a catheter, they did go into the groin area with an incision ..

and we don't know how they did GWB, only the doctors reporting he HAD HEART SURGERY...

Catheters for stents usually enter through the groin area. Some doctors call it a percutaneous procedure.

I think the distinction for heart surgery is whether they crack open the chest. There's no reason to open the chest to place a catheter. There are optional entry points in the upper body which are percutaneous, too.

23 posted on 08/06/2013 8:14:44 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: lonevoice

ping!


24 posted on 08/06/2013 8:16:13 AM PDT by Pride in the USA
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To: Mashood
There is no cutting. The stent is usually inserted by catheter through the groin area, up the artery to the heart.

Hey, could you settle the question about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin for us?
25 posted on 08/06/2013 8:19:46 AM PDT by righttackle44 (Take scalps. Leave the bodies as a warning.)
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To: ErnBatavia
Our neighbor's mom stroked out during an angiogram; left her with very poor vision for the rest of her life.

The hospital I worked for was a Harvard Medical School teaching hospital...considered to be one of the best in the world.I can assure you that even at the very best hospitals there's no iron clad guarantee that everything will go right.There are very,very few...if any..."sure things" in medicine.

26 posted on 08/06/2013 8:20:29 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (If Obama Had A City It Would Look Like Detroit.)
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To: ErnBatavia

Been there, done that.


27 posted on 08/06/2013 8:24:03 AM PDT by Mashood
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To: All
Stents sometimes are done as part of angiograms.

If the cardiologist (or surgeon) finds blockage with an angiogram (imaging procedure), then an option is to implant stents. Often, the doctor will ask for permission to implant stents when an angiogram is done.

A catheter is run to the heart and dyes are injected so that X-rays might see blockage.

During this procedure, the catheter may be used to implant a stent.

Putting a stent in the heart may be dangerous is there is a problem (implanted in wrong area).

Most people are familiar with CABG (pronounced cabbage). Doctors and nurses love to use this term for bypass surgery.

This is the bypass surgery. The CABG stands for Coronary Artery Bypass Graft.

This is the surgery where the chest has to be cracked open and the sternum cut in two.

If a doctor messes up a stent, then a surgery may be necessary to correct that (and that is known to happen).

28 posted on 08/06/2013 8:27:10 AM PDT by topher (Traditional values -- especially family values -- which have been proven over time.)
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To: righttackle44

What opening in the groin is accessed without cutting?


29 posted on 08/06/2013 8:32:12 AM PDT by NCLaw441
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To: topher

FYI.....just a little bit of experience here! My husband is a heart transplant recipient, three years out. He gets annual full heart physicals at OSU, Ross Heart Hospital. This year, they did the heart cath through his wrist. Some doctors, not all, are now doing stents through the wrist as well. This procedure is so much easier, instead of waiting for the groin to close for hours, it cuts that time by 2/3, far less invasive and heals much quicker.


30 posted on 08/06/2013 8:40:54 AM PDT by Toespi
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To: NCLaw441

Think large needle.


31 posted on 08/06/2013 8:42:01 AM PDT by Mashood
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To: CedarDave

I was really suprised to hear that Dubya needed a stent. He’s pretty healthy living. Maybe too much Texas beef?


32 posted on 08/06/2013 8:51:47 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Gamecock

Pretty sure it is....

Friend of mine had a stent put into the top of her heart to open a blockage.

They opened up her groin and threaded the stent & the item which placed it up thru her body.

She was completely under with general anesthetic and woke up in the recovery room.

If that isn’t surgery, What is???


33 posted on 08/06/2013 8:59:57 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: Mashood

“But cutting into someone is surgery.”

There is no cutting. The stent is usually inserted by catheter through the groin area, up the artery to the heart.””’

The definately is an INCISION in the groin area-—they certainly are NOT going in thru the rectum & bowel or thru the bladder & kidney!!!

They have to get to a main artery which passes thru the groin area.

I don’t get where you don’t think this is surgery.


34 posted on 08/06/2013 9:02:49 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: Gamecock
Placing a stent is not surgery.

HUH???? I had a deep mole removed and they call THAT surgery.

35 posted on 08/06/2013 9:07:32 AM PDT by EnquiringMind
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To: ridesthemiles

It is called a surgery because the function was performed by a surgeon instead of a mechanic.


36 posted on 08/06/2013 9:27:23 AM PDT by Mashood
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To: SeekAndFind

further proof to the noodleheads that both W and Cheney did have hearts after all. ;-]


37 posted on 08/06/2013 10:00:42 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi --)
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To: Mashood
There is no cutting. The stent is usually inserted by catheter through the groin area, up the artery to the heart...

Really? Is there a porthole there?

38 posted on 08/06/2013 10:19:20 AM PDT by gogeo (I didn't leave the Republcan Party, it left me.)
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To: LUV W
Prayers for this good man to have a rapid and complete recovery...and no more problems with this issue! God bless him and Laura!

Amen.

39 posted on 08/06/2013 10:20:20 AM PDT by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: Pride in the USA

Thanks for the ping. Prayers up for him and his family. He may find that he feels better than he has in a long time, without even realizing that he wasn’t feeling as well as he might. I’m glad they found this on a routine physical before it did serious damage.


40 posted on 08/06/2013 10:21:52 AM PDT by lonevoice (Today I broke my personal record for most consecutive days lived)
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To: haircutter

“...any time a person is sedated and unaware...it is medically called surgery...”

So, my colonoscopy was a surgery?


41 posted on 08/06/2013 10:42:41 AM PDT by beelzepug (if any alphabets are watchin', I'll be coming home right after the meetin')
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To: Toespi

This year, they did the heart cath through his wrist

...that’s actually quite rare, and even if the decision is through the wrist, the groin area is prepared as well, as the passage to the heart is more direct...

...my stent was deployed six years ago, to open the posterolateral artery which had completely blocked...needlessly I thought, I had to spend a night in the cardiac unit, where they come in every hour on the hour to draw blood, and then say in the morning, ‘Did you get any sleep?’...heh, hospital humor...


42 posted on 08/06/2013 10:49:10 AM PDT by IrishBrigade
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To: SeekAndFind

Anyone been to the DUmp and see how many threads are hoping he would not survive??


43 posted on 08/06/2013 11:28:41 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (The Second Amendment is NOT about the right to hunt. It IS a right to shoot tyrants.)
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To: Vermont Lt

“So how do they get it in? Through his nose?”

Angioplasty.....through a vein in the groin area. I had it done about 15 years ago.


44 posted on 08/06/2013 11:38:35 AM PDT by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (Learn three chords and you, too, can be a Rock Star!)
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To: haircutter

“any time a person is sedated and unaware”

I was wide awake for the three stents that they inserted into my heart. I watched the procedure on the large-screen, real-time x-ray.


45 posted on 08/06/2013 11:42:32 AM PDT by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (Learn three chords and you, too, can be a Rock Star!)
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To: CedarDave

“This is a surprise given the former president’s regimen for exercise and outdoor work.”

Do a Google search for “Doctor James Fixx”. Genes are involved, not just health regimen. Someone in his family, even from generations ago, had heart problems.


46 posted on 08/06/2013 11:46:33 AM PDT by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (Learn three chords and you, too, can be a Rock Star!)
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To: haircutter

I consider getting a haircut a ‘surgery’. But that’s just me!


47 posted on 08/06/2013 11:49:49 AM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: spel_grammer_an_punct_polise
"I'd rather wear out than rust out" -- Dr. Jim Fixx
48 posted on 08/06/2013 11:50:01 AM PDT by Haiku Guy (Gun Control Haiku: Say "Registration" / And they call you paranoid / So say "Privacy")
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To: Georgia Girl 2

“I was really suprised to hear that Dubya needed a stent.”

“Genes” is the answer. Someone in his family, even generations ago, had heart problems.


49 posted on 08/06/2013 11:51:01 AM PDT by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (Learn three chords and you, too, can be a Rock Star!)
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To: SeekAndFind

This worship of ex-POTUSI has got to end!


50 posted on 08/06/2013 11:53:21 AM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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