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T.S.A. Expands Duties Beyond Airport Security
New York Times ^ | 08/06/2013 | RON NIXON

Posted on 08/06/2013 8:18:05 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

WASHINGTON — As hundreds of commuters emerged from Amtrak and commuter trains at Union Station on a recent morning, an armed squad of men and women dressed in bulletproof vests made their way through the crowds.

The squad was not with the Washington police department or Amtrak’s police force, but was one of the Transportation Security Administration’s Visible Intermodal Prevention and Response squads — VIPR teams for short — assigned to perform random security sweeps to prevent terrorist attacks at transportation hubs across the United States.

“The T.S.A., huh,” said Donald Neubauer of Greenville, Ohio, as he walked past the squad. “I thought they were just at the airports.”

With little fanfare, the agency best known for airport screenings has vastly expanded its reach to sporting events, music festivals, rodeos, highway weigh stations and train terminals. Not everyone is happy.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; Government; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: airport; communism; federalpolice; govtabuse; graham; illegal; insecurity; marxism; mccain; militarizedpolice; nationalpolice; ndaa; obama; obamapoliceforce; obamasfault; policestate; scandals; security; stopdropandcower; tsa; tsaisajoke; tyranny
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1 posted on 08/06/2013 8:18:05 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

More security theater to enforce the Obama Doctrine: Every citizen, a potential terrorist; every terrorist, a potential higher breed of citizen.


3 posted on 08/06/2013 8:23:24 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: SeekAndFind

We don’t have to have more junk touched, do we?


4 posted on 08/06/2013 8:23:30 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: no-to-illegals

Yet more impetus for what I feel is a coming Libertarian Political Tsunami.


5 posted on 08/06/2013 8:24:34 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: SeekAndFind
Always remember to prostrate yourself before government agents:
Stop, Drop, and Cower
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6 posted on 08/06/2013 8:25:10 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: SeekAndFind

“Not everyone is happy.”

Not since the time of the Sheriff of Nottingham has anyone been less happy at having roving bands of the king’s men out roaming the countryside under the banner of enforcing the king’s laws. Does ANYONE actually think that a roaming band of heavily armed troops patroling the streets is going ot prevent some terror attack? If that were true, facilities in Vichy France would have had no sabotage. Well, we know how that worked out for the Nazi occupiers.


7 posted on 08/06/2013 8:25:34 AM PDT by Mouton (108th MI Group.....68-71)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Gee ... this means we have to grow more junk? I don’t know how to do that.


8 posted on 08/06/2013 8:26:24 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: SeekAndFind

Maybe they just need Wiener training so they know how to run around holding their own junk.


9 posted on 08/06/2013 8:26:26 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: SeekAndFind

Terrific. I take Union Station to get to work, now I have to deal with these Mall Cop rejects. Guess I have to find another way to commute.


10 posted on 08/06/2013 8:28:19 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (I'm a Christian, pro-life, pro-gun, Reaganite. The GOP hates me. Why should I vote for them?)
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To: SeekAndFind

The very thought of TSA gumshoes being armed is scary.


11 posted on 08/06/2013 8:29:11 AM PDT by The Great RJ
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To: Vigilanteman

Those fools could not find their azz with both hands. They have no authority and everyone that encounters them should tell them that. That agency needs to be shut down and the sooner the better.

The one reason I would overlook Rand Paul’s stance on immigration and vote him President is because he would move to shut some of these agencies down. He has a real dislike of the TSA.


12 posted on 08/06/2013 8:30:31 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Because expensive bureaucratic incompetence at airports isn’t enough!


13 posted on 08/06/2013 8:30:39 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Where's my pressure cooker backpack wmd ricin laced al qaeda terrorist BASSELOPE?)
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To: no-to-illegals

In some states, taxpayers even fund your addadictome procedure.


14 posted on 08/06/2013 8:30:43 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad & lived with his parents most his life.)
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To: SeekAndFind

We are creating for ourselves an extremely complex, and expensive system - trying to anticipate and eliminate every outlier event - whether it be in security, foreign affairs, economics, or society.

It will prove impossible and it won’t last.


15 posted on 08/06/2013 8:35:15 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: COBOL2Java

“Terrific. I take Union Station to get to work, now I have to deal with these Mall Cop rejects. Guess I have to find another way to commute.”

Don’t get too comfy. These wannabees are conducting roadblocks. “Papers...Vee must see your papers....”


16 posted on 08/06/2013 8:42:02 AM PDT by Stormdog (A rifle transforms one from subject to Citizen)
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To: SeekAndFind
As hundreds of commuters emerged from Amtrak and commuter trains at Union Station on a recent morning, an armed squad of men and women dressed in bulletproof vests made their way through the crowds

They're here from the government, and they're here to help.

Yep they're helping themselves...to everything.
17 posted on 08/06/2013 8:43:19 AM PDT by novemberslady (Texas For President)
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To: SeekAndFind
"the Transportation Security Administration’s Visible Intermodal Prevention and Response squads — VIPR teams for short"

So should Freedom-loving Americans start referring to themselves as a mongoose?

18 posted on 08/06/2013 8:47:18 AM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back The Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: Georgia Girl 2
Those fools could not find their azz with both hands.

You just brought back fond memories of two of my Daddy's favorite expressions:

  1. . . . a bureaucrat so dumb that he couldn't find his bare ass in the dark with both hands and a flashlight.
  2. Eisenhower didn't have the sense to pour p*ss out of a boot with the directional arrow stamped on the heel.

God bless his memory!
19 posted on 08/06/2013 8:47:44 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: SeekAndFind
The squad was not with the Washington police department or Amtrak’s police force, but was one of the Transportation Security Administration’s Visible Intermodal Prevention and Response squads — VIPR teams for short — assigned to perform random security sweeps to prevent terrorist attacks at transportation hubs across the United States.

TSA exists because the bulk of air transportation is interstate.

“The T.S.A., huh,” said Donald Neubauer of Greenville, Ohio, as he walked past the squad. “I thought they were just at the airports.”

The moron ought to realize that TSA policing intrastate transportation is blatantly unconstitutional.

20 posted on 08/06/2013 8:54:50 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (Islam offers choices: convert, submit, or die.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Have we seen any more of these “freeze” drills, where entire terminals filled with people just freeze in place on command?


21 posted on 08/06/2013 8:56:33 AM PDT by cld51860 (Oderint dum metuant)
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To: COBOL2Java

ROTFLMAO! I work in a building we share with a corp that provides support (training I think) for TSA, so TSA types are constantly entering and leaving our building. You have insulted every mall cop reject in the country.


22 posted on 08/06/2013 8:57:45 AM PDT by tgusa (gun control: deep breath, sight alignment, squeeze the trigger .......)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Rand Paul had a well-publicized run-in with TSA at an airport a few years ago.

Also, both of his parents were harassed in Florida by the TSA thugs when the couple were trying to board a plane at the conclusion of the Republican National Convention last year.

If Senator Paul were president, there’s a good chance he would greatly rein in this out-of-control agency, although shuting it down would be even better.


23 posted on 08/06/2013 8:59:31 AM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms should be a chain of convenience stores.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

The local Sheriff needs to arrest these b0z0s and put them in the tent city.


24 posted on 08/06/2013 9:00:40 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Carry_Okie
The moron ought to realize that TSA policing intrastate transportation is blatantly unconstitutional.

Wickard v. Fillburn has, since 1942, declared that the intrastate commerce impacts interstate commerce and thereby allows Congressional regulation thereof.

25 posted on 08/06/2013 9:13:10 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Stormdog
They should put these officer Tackleberry agents on the border where they might do some good. It is sickening to watch our freedoms being stolen while half the country walks around with their heads buried deep in their asses. Instead of a chicken in every pot we will have a camera in every room and government agent on every street corner. We are becoming Stalin’s USSR on roids.
26 posted on 08/06/2013 9:17:39 AM PDT by peeps36 (I'm Not A Racist, I Hate Douchebags f All Colors)
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To: july4thfreedomfoundation
If Senator Paul were president, there’s a good chance he would greatly rein in this out-of-control agency, although shuting it down would be even better.

Shutdown would be easy, just look at their page on what the TSA is and compare with Amendment 4:

Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
So their whole operation is predicated on violation of the 4th Amendment, this is a felony:
18 USC § 241 - Conspiracy against rights
If two or more persons conspire to injure, oppress, threaten, or intimidate any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to him by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or because of his having so exercised the same; or

If two or more persons go in disguise on the highway, or on the premises of another, with intent to prevent or hinder his free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege so secured—

They shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and if death results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, they shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death.

27 posted on 08/06/2013 9:22:19 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: SeekAndFind

http://www.fourmilab.ch/documents/reading_list/indices/book_425.html

Vin’s “Lightning Squads” made real.

This is nothing a Free Country needs.


29 posted on 08/06/2013 9:29:09 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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Wickard v. Fillburn has, since 1942, declared that the intrastate commerce impacts interstate commerce and thereby allows Congressional regulation thereof.

Wickard has no application here. There is no impact to an interstate market by virtue of an individual's movement within a State.

30 posted on 08/06/2013 9:30:37 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (Islam offers choices: convert, submit, or die.)
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>> Wickard v. Fillburn has, since 1942, declared that the intrastate commerce impacts interstate commerce and thereby allows Congressional regulation thereof.
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> Wickard has no application here. There is no impact to an interstate market by virtue of an individual's movement within a State.

Tell that to GONZALES v. RAICH, which said: even if there is no interstate market, the federal government can still regulate intrastate commerce because if there was a market, they could regulate that.

Despite the logical nullity, this is the reasoning that they use.

31 posted on 08/06/2013 9:35:03 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Your papers please....


32 posted on 08/06/2013 9:45:29 AM PDT by GOPJ (Sob stories make bad law...)
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To: SeekAndFind

“We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we’ve set. We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.” - Barack Obama 2008


33 posted on 08/06/2013 9:47:59 AM PDT by Mean Maryjean
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To: SeekAndFind

T.S.A. officials respond that the random searches are “special needs” or “administrative searches” that are exempt from probable cause because they further the government’s need to prevent terrorist attacks.

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They are creating supra authority outside the Constitution on vagaries.


34 posted on 08/06/2013 9:57:38 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
Yet more impetus for what I feel is a coming Libertarian Political Tsunami.

Why would you think that? Did people confront the TSA at airports in large numbers? Did people refuse to fly? Did our neighbors remove Obama after his first four years?

35 posted on 08/06/2013 9:58:51 AM PDT by mbarker12474
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To: OneWingedShark

Even if I have no money I can still have a Bentley convertible because if I DID have money, I could have one.


36 posted on 08/06/2013 10:11:48 AM PDT by beelzepug (if any alphabets are watchin', I'll be coming home right after the meetin')
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To: SeekAndFind

They say it’s to make us feel secure.

Actually, it’s to make us feel like sheep.


37 posted on 08/06/2013 10:14:54 AM PDT by I want the USA back (There's no autocorrect for stupidity.)
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Even if I have no money I can still have a Bentley convertible because if I DID have money, I could have one.

Yes. That is pretty much the reasoning of Raich.

38 posted on 08/06/2013 10:16:50 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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39 posted on 08/06/2013 10:23:19 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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Tell that to GONZALES v. RAICH, which said: even if there is no interstate market, the federal government can still regulate intrastate commerce because if there was a market, they could regulate that.

There is no possibility of an interstate market on a commuter train that doesn't go anywhere close to a state line.

Despite the logical nullity, this is the reasoning that they use.

I have long dispensed with the bogus rationales of the black robes as regards the plain interpretation of constitutionality.

40 posted on 08/06/2013 10:29:40 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (Islam offers choices: convert, submit, or die.)
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To: SeekAndFind
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TSA troopers like these will soon arrive in YOUR town/neighborhood to assure your complete safety.


41 posted on 08/06/2013 10:35:19 AM PDT by Dick Bachert (“To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.”- Voltaire)
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To: Still Thinking

They don’t have jurisdiction. Without a warrant, they aren’t searching me.

If they persist, my lawyer will have them for lunch.


42 posted on 08/06/2013 10:36:51 AM PDT by justlurking (tagline removed, as demanded by Admin Moderator)
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There _is_ no Federal police power. This is/was well established until what? changed it?

Barely one person on even FR knows this or mentions it...


43 posted on 08/06/2013 10:50:53 AM PDT by veracious
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>>Tell that to GONZALES v. RAICH, which said: even if there is no interstate market, the federal government can still regulate intrastate commerce because if there was a market, they could regulate that.
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> There is no possibility of an interstate market on a commuter train that doesn't go anywhere close to a state line.

You know that, I know that, everyone knows that.
And yet it is still the legal reasoning that they give.

>> Despite the logical nullity, this is the reasoning that they use.
>
> I have long dispensed with the bogus rationales of the black robes as regards the plain interpretation of constitutionality.

I have thought, for a while now, that they should be made to live with the consequences of their decisions. Remember Kelo, well, what if we had all the local county guys seize all the Justices's private property under made up numbers (projections) that this would increase levied tax by some amount. The suspension of Habeus Corpus and indefinite detention [without charges] is legitimate? Well lock the justices up in barren rooms with only food and water and a private tasked to retrieve for them writing utensils and law books. — then see how long it takes them to reverse their decisions.

Seriously, some of the problems we face can be eradicated quickly by making the elite ruling class live by the rules they impose.

44 posted on 08/06/2013 10:56:42 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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>> These wannabees are conducting roadblocks. <<

Do you know where these roadblocks are happening?


45 posted on 08/06/2013 11:29:05 AM PDT by appalachian_dweller (Live each day as if it's your last. It might be.)
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Remember Kelo, well, what if we had all the local county guys seize all the Justices's private property under made up numbers (projections) that this would increase levied tax by some amount.

By Tenth Amendment standards, Kelo was correctly decided, even though the New London assertion of an eminent domain taking was itself an abomination. The result was that some states instituted MORE stringent property rights protections than the Fifth Amendment offers, while others continue on the corrupt path to ruin. The result of the ruling is that Natural Law will assure the outcome, which is a wise course in most instances of offering the temptation to centralize enforcement powers.

...well, what if we had all the local county guys seize all the Justices's private property under made up numbers (projections) that this would increase levied tax by some amount.

It's analogous to knowing where the police and bureaucrats keep their houses.

Seriously, some of the problems we face can be eradicated quickly by making the "elite ruling class" live by the rules they impose.

No argument there.

46 posted on 08/06/2013 11:39:28 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (Islam offers choices: convert, submit, or die.)
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By Tenth Amendment standards, Kelo was correctly decided, even though the New London assertion of an eminent domain taking was itself an abomination. The result was that some states instituted MORE stringent property rights protections than the Fifth Amendment offers, while others continue on the corrupt path to ruin. The result of the ruling is that Natural Law will assure the outcome, which is a wise course in most instances of offering the temptation to centralize enforcement powers.

Disagreed very much; the use of eminent domain in the fifth says that it's for public use — handing over the seized property to a private development company for commercial [IIRC] development is not public use.

47 posted on 08/06/2013 11:44:43 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: justlurking

RE: If they persist, my lawyer will have them for lunch.

You’ll be suing the government. How much money and time do you have?


48 posted on 08/06/2013 11:45:02 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Thank you very f’ing much Geo W Bush.


49 posted on 08/06/2013 11:47:46 AM PDT by 3boysdad (The very elect.)
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To: SeekAndFind
T.S.A. officials respond that the random searches are “special needs” or “administrative searches” that are exempt from probable cause because they further the government’s need to prevent terrorist attacks.

Bulls#$t!

50 posted on 08/06/2013 11:48:18 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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