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Japan unveils largest warship since World War II
ABC ^ | August 6, 2013 | ERIC TALMADGE

Posted on 08/06/2013 10:03:50 AM PDT by JerseyanExile

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Japan on Tuesday unveiled its biggest warship since World War II, a huge flat-top destroyer that has raised eyebrows in China and elsewhere because it bears a strong resemblance to a conventional aircraft carrier.

The ship, which has a flight deck that is nearly 250 meters (820 feet) long, is designed to carry up to 14 helicopters. Japanese officials say it will be used in national defense — particularly in anti-submarine warfare and border-area surveillance missions — and to bolster the nation’s ability to transport personnel and supplies in response to large-scale natural disasters, like the devastating earthquake and tsunami in 2011.

Though the ship — dubbed “Izumo” — has been in the works since 2009, its unveiling comes as Japan and China are locked in a dispute over several small islands located between southern Japan and Taiwan. For months, ships from both countries have been conducting patrols around the isles, called the Senkaku in Japan and the Diaoyutai in China.

The tensions over the islands, along with China’s heavy spending on defense and military modernization, have heightened calls in Japan for beefed-up naval and air forces. China recently began operating an aircraft carrier that it refurbished after purchasing from Russia, and is reportedly moving forward with the construction of another that is domestically built.

Though technically a destroyer, some experts believe the new Japanese ship could potentially be used in the future to launch fighter jets or other aircraft that have the ability to take off vertically. That would be a departure for Japan, which has one of the best-equipped and best-trained naval forces in the Pacific but which has not sought to build aircraft carriers of its own because of constitutional restrictions that limit its military forces to a defensive role.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Japan; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: armsbuildup; asia; bhoasia; japanesenavy; jmsdf
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Japan, I don't think anyone is buying your "helicopter-carrying destroyer" classification anymore.

Video footage of launch

1 posted on 08/06/2013 10:03:50 AM PDT by JerseyanExile
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To: JerseyanExile
We should encourage Japan to drop the pretense and go full speed ahead on building their naval air capability.

Who cares if it p*sses off the Chinese & Koreans.

2 posted on 08/06/2013 10:07:29 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: skeeter

I say good on them. We are no longer in any position to complain about anything any nation does.


3 posted on 08/06/2013 10:14:22 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: JerseyanExile

Take a close look at the flight deck and the sides of the hull. Aircraft carriers, meaning jets, have discernable elevators in the flight deck, access to the hanger deck.
Real modern carries have elevators on the port and starboard outboard edges of the flight deck. Also normally visible are the vast openings in the SIDES of the hanger deck, both port and starboard.
I have no idea of the spaces used here for maintainence and/or repair of the helicopters but there could be an elevator.
Also the bow of the flight deck shows NO sighs of catapults.
It may LOOK like a traditional carrier, buy it seems to lack most of the visible features. (to me)


4 posted on 08/06/2013 10:17:03 AM PDT by CaptainAmiigaf (NY TIMES: We print the news as it fits our views.)
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To: skeeter

I say good on them. We are no longer in any position to complain about anything any nation does.


5 posted on 08/06/2013 10:18:14 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: JerseyanExile

Um, er, well, yea, that looks like a destroyer. It just has a really big, um, exercise deck.


6 posted on 08/06/2013 10:18:42 AM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: JerseyanExile

I seem to recall when the Emperor said, “Now witness the firepower of this fully ARMED and OPERATIONAL battle station! Fire at will, Commander!”


7 posted on 08/06/2013 10:19:11 AM PDT by Coffee... Black... No Sugar (I'm gonna' BICKER!)
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To: skeeter

I kinda like the idea of pissing off the Chinese.


8 posted on 08/06/2013 10:19:22 AM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: CaptainAmiigaf
If you go to the video, it appears there is an elevator starboard aft.

I mean, every destroyer has one, right? :-))

9 posted on 08/06/2013 10:24:26 AM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: CaptainAmiigaf

It isn’t very noticeable in the pic at the top of this thread, but it does have an elevator on the side. Other news reports indicate that it does have an aircraft elevator on the side.


10 posted on 08/06/2013 10:24:31 AM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: Army Air Corps

It looks like there is an elevator on the starboard side, aft of the tower.


11 posted on 08/06/2013 10:27:07 AM PDT by BwanaNdege ("To learn who rules over you simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize"- Voltaire)
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To: BwanaNdege

That’s it.


12 posted on 08/06/2013 10:28:00 AM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: JerseyanExile

This may be just me, but the hull of the ship seems very smooth in contrast with the highly visible welding of other ships.

Anyone?


13 posted on 08/06/2013 10:32:59 AM PDT by School of Rational Thought
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To: JerseyanExile

Isn’t the Rising Sun flag seen on the left side of the bow from WWII?


14 posted on 08/06/2013 10:33:15 AM PDT by Huskrrrr
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To: JerseyanExile

If it looks like an aircraft carrier, carries "aircraft" like an aircraft carrier and launches aircraft, then it is an aircraft carrier, even though it may "destroy" this or that as a collateral duty.

BTW, "aircraft" = n. pl. aircraft. A machine or device, such as an airplane, helicopter, glider, or dirigible, that is capable of atmospheric flight.

15 posted on 08/06/2013 10:35:30 AM PDT by BwanaNdege ("To learn who rules over you simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize"- Voltaire)
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I can obviously see (in a historic context) why both Koreas and the Chinese would be a little uneasy about this new ship.

However, given the aggressive moves made by China and North Korea in this region, I’d say that the Japanese are well justified in building this ship.


16 posted on 08/06/2013 10:35:35 AM PDT by MplsSteve
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To: JerseyanExile
I don't think anyone is buying your "helicopter-carrying destroyer" classification anymore.

Agreed. Who do they think they're kidding?

As 'they' say, "You could put wheels on my grandmother but that don't make her a wagon."

17 posted on 08/06/2013 10:38:44 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (So Obama "inherited" a mess? Firemen "inherit" messes too. Ever see one put gasoline on it?)
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To: Huskrrrr

That’s the Japanese naval ensign.


18 posted on 08/06/2013 10:39:14 AM PDT by JerseyanExile
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To: JerseyanExile

Time to let Japan rewrite the armed forces section of their constitution, and cut them loose.


19 posted on 08/06/2013 10:39:22 AM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: Huskrrrr

That is the Japanese Naval Ensign.


20 posted on 08/06/2013 10:39:40 AM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: Army Air Corps

Thanks!


21 posted on 08/06/2013 10:40:26 AM PDT by Huskrrrr
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To: JerseyanExile

Thanks!


22 posted on 08/06/2013 10:40:43 AM PDT by Huskrrrr
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To: CaptainAmiigaf
Also the bow of the flight deck shows NO sighs of catapults.

They'll use The Force.


23 posted on 08/06/2013 10:42:37 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (So Obama "inherited" a mess? Firemen "inherit" messes too. Ever see one put gasoline on it?)
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To: JerseyanExile
Thanks to the Japanese for another opportunity to post this:

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Armed with a single MA-2 .50 caliber Browning, this much feared naval vessel carries up to 30 rounds of aluminum piercing ammunition. It is the first in an entirely new naval architecture class -- technically, “clitoral” (not to be confused with “littoral”) -- being pushed on the Pentagon by the defense minded wussies in the Obama Administration as a cost-saving measure. If you look closely, you can see the heavy-duty seat restraint which prevents the pilot/gunner – Kamakazi Kowalski – from leaping from the vessel prior to engaging the enemy. The 12 V trolling motor – which lacks a reverse function -- propels this sophisticated craft forward at a top speed of 4 knots. Reverse travel – at approximately 35 knots -- is achieved by firing the Browning.

The no-bid contract to build 200 of these fearsome warships was to have been awarded to Obama-Soros-Emanuel Shipbuilding and Stormdoor Manufacturing (formerly General Dynamics) and will be administered by trusted Obama associate and former Chief-of-Staff Rahm Emanuel who commented that, at $12 million each, they are a bargain. They will be constructed exclusively at the company’s facility in Kenya with major subcomponent production (rivets and miscellaneous fasteners) at the company’s Harlem and Skokie plants. Delivery is expected to begin in 2024 (or as soon as the subcontractors’ funds are safely in the contractor's Swiss account).

24 posted on 08/06/2013 10:45:31 AM PDT by Dick Bachert (“To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.”- Voltaire)
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And the UK called them Through Deck Cruisers.

Its as much a DD as Invincible-class was a Cruiser.

Of course its an an ASW Carrier much like the ex CV / CVA of the Essex class when converted to the ASW task

with the option of CV-22 the parallels to the viet nam era Essex’s is pretty on point I think.


25 posted on 08/06/2013 10:57:36 AM PDT by Bidimus1
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To: JerseyanExile

To borrow from the British, it is a Through-Deck Command Cruiser and absolutely not a carrier.


26 posted on 08/06/2013 10:58:50 AM PDT by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: JerseyanExile

It’s not a fixed wing carrier.


27 posted on 08/06/2013 11:23:44 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Inside every liberal and WOD defender is a totalitarian screaming to get out.)
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To: skeeter

Unmanned attack craft would be scaled with reduced weight and size and no G tolerance limitations. Jato could launch a good sized craft from an 800 foot run. Alternative deceleration devices would allow a recovery.


28 posted on 08/06/2013 11:26:12 AM PDT by Ozark Tom
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To: Blood of Tyrants

If Japan decided to purchase any F-35s...


29 posted on 08/06/2013 11:28:00 AM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: colorado tanker

Why will they be pissed off? more like bemused with Japan so eager to raise the spectre of its erstwhile imperialism, thereby justifying the aggressive expansion of Chinese navy and air force.

The first of China’s domestic aircraft carriers has already taken shape in the North Eastern port city of Dalian, and a few more are in the pipe line. With the second largest aircraft carriers fleet after US looming on the horizon, Japan’s pseudo carrier is more like the butt of joke to Chinese........


30 posted on 08/06/2013 11:32:01 AM PDT by RGR101
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To: JerseyanExile

31 posted on 08/06/2013 11:34:06 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: JerseyanExile

It’s big, but is it big enough to stand up to Godzilla?


32 posted on 08/06/2013 11:36:47 AM PDT by GreenHornet
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To: hosepipe

Obviously this thing has at least as many add-ons as a Toyota.. maybe more...
i.e. guns, directors, avionics, radars, sonars, mines, missles, submarine drones, flying drones, cruise missles, and all mannar of aircraft.. even landing craft..

Wonder how many are planned.. wonder they have a really big one planned.. or two or three..
Unless the Japs are BLIND they can see what China is doing..


33 posted on 08/06/2013 11:47:00 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: hosepipe

Catapults MUST be an OPTION.....


34 posted on 08/06/2013 11:57:26 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: CaptainAmiigaf
Aircraft carriers, meaning jets, have discernable elevators in the flight deck, access to the hanger deck.

Check out the elevators in post #31. Undoubtedly to bring the whole destroyer's crew up at once. :-)

Destroyer, heck, it SUNK her! (to repurpose an old joke)

Also, catapults not visible is not the same thing as no catapults available.

35 posted on 08/06/2013 12:00:29 PM PDT by InMemoriam (Have a seat over there, Mr. Mohammed. Aisha, go play on your swingset, honey.)
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To: JerseyanExile
They played “Anchors Aweigh”...

The irony...

36 posted on 08/06/2013 12:05:26 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: SpaceBar
Time to let Japan rewrite the armed forces section of their constitution, and cut them loose.

I would agree 100% if they would come clean like the Germans had to do. Short of that, I'm a little nervous.

37 posted on 08/06/2013 12:05:52 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (The Left: speaking power to truth since Shevirat HaKelim.)
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To: hosepipe

Huh? Lots of carries don’t have catapults.


38 posted on 08/06/2013 12:32:57 PM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: Ozark Tom

No need for Jato if you have reduced the size and weight. Some very significant UCAVs could be launched from a deck that size with no assistance. To say nothing of making outright VTOL UCAVS.


39 posted on 08/06/2013 12:35:20 PM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: JerseyanExile
If Japan wants to rearm, I'm all for it. Then we'd have an ally as both an economic and a military counterweight to China. More importantly, the Japanese don't need the US to defend them against China when they're fully capable of doing it themselves.

Japan's constitutional limits on the size of their military are a ridiculous anachronism, with everyone of the WWII generation now either deceased or well into their 9th or 10th decades of life.

40 posted on 08/06/2013 1:01:28 PM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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Huh? Lots of carries don’t have catapults.


What IF... the ship was MADE with an option for a future Catapult?.. All that needed is installation to existing infrastructure..?... You know as an UPGRADE.. about a month after launch.. Might already BE onboard in the hold... WAITING..

But the Japanese couldn’t really be THAT smart.. could they?
Be easy to cover catapult deck housings with deck plates.. who would know?

Same gambit with arresting cables for vehicle recovery..
Could easily be done..


41 posted on 08/06/2013 1:27:43 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: TigersEye

FYI


42 posted on 08/06/2013 1:54:08 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: Huskrrrr
Isn’t the Rising Sun flag seen on the left side of the bow from WWII?

The Rising Sun has been the Japanese *hem* Maritime Self Defence Force * ensign for the last 60 years.

43 posted on 08/06/2013 3:40:31 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Rules are for the guidance of wise men and the blind obedience of fools - Solon, Lawmaker of Athens)
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To: Army Air Corps

I didn’t know that. I thought they got rid of that flag after the war. Anything resembling it sets off protests in Korea.


44 posted on 08/06/2013 3:57:46 PM PDT by x
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To: Coffee... Black... No Sugar

“Fire at will, Commander!”

Why does everybody hate Will?


45 posted on 08/06/2013 4:02:22 PM PDT by Rebelbase (Tagline: (optional, printed after your name on post))
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To: Rebelbase

Ha!!


46 posted on 08/06/2013 4:06:11 PM PDT by Osage Orange (Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.)
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To: Army Air Corps
It's more an assault ship than a destroyer.

http://www.freewebs.com/jeffhead/worldwideaircraftcarriers/22DDH-0005.jpg

47 posted on 08/06/2013 5:29:42 PM PDT by hamboy
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To: CaptainAmiigaf
Take a close look at the flight deck and the sides of the hull. Aircraft carriers, meaning jets, have discernable elevators in the flight deck, access to the hanger deck. Real modern carries have elevators on the port and starboard outboard edges of the flight deck. Also normally visible are the vast openings in the SIDES of the hanger deck, both port and starboard.

The determining factor for deck-edge elevators is usually whether the flight deck is the ship's strength deck, or if the strength deck is the hangar deck, with the flight deck mounted on top of it.

Cutting large holes in the side of a hull below the strength deck is generally a bad idea. Which is why many carriers have elevators in the center of their flight decks rather than at the edge.

But there's an engineering/design trick that the USN came up with that was incorporated into the supercarriers, allowing deck-edge elevators while also having the flight deck as the strength deck. Allegedly this design trick is still classified.
48 posted on 08/06/2013 5:56:18 PM PDT by tanknetter
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To: tanknetter; Jeff Head

Ask Jeff, he knows about these things.


49 posted on 08/06/2013 5:57:24 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: hosepipe

bump


50 posted on 08/06/2013 5:57:54 PM PDT by GeronL
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