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Navy drops plans to repair fire-damaged USS Miami
FoxNews ^ | August 07, 2013 | na

Posted on 08/07/2013 6:25:58 AM PDT by Carbonsteel

The Navy has decided that it will not repair the nuclear-powered submarine USS Miami after concluding that the cost of repairing damage from a fire set by a civilian worker is more than it can afford due to mandated budget cuts.

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KEYWORDS: bhodod; dangerwillrobinson; defensespending; disgraceful; obamasfault; obamasmiles; submarine; usnavy; ussmiami
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Disgraceful.

I wonder how Democrats will spin this.

1 posted on 08/07/2013 6:25:58 AM PDT by Carbonsteel
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To: Carbonsteel

I guess zer0 will sell it to Iran or Cuba or N Korea.


2 posted on 08/07/2013 6:27:41 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Carbonsteel

Democrats everywhere are celebrating.


3 posted on 08/07/2013 6:28:25 AM PDT by FreeAtlanta (sue the DNC for the IRS abuse! Can RICO laws be used against the DNC?)
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To: Carbonsteel

Just put it ‘aside’ like Jimmah did with the B-1. Americans will square it all away once there is an American in the W.H. Again.


4 posted on 08/07/2013 6:30:18 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Carbonsteel

People we need to bring back US industry.

Now.


5 posted on 08/07/2013 6:31:58 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: Carbonsteel
Every day, Fox News becomes more and more a part of Obama's Press Corpse.

Thanks for forwarding this press release, Fox News.

6 posted on 08/07/2013 6:32:32 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: Carbonsteel

The loss of a nuclear sub is bad, but just think how many Obama phones this frees up for the poor huddling masses. /s

Seriously though...the guy only got 17 years? His actions should’ve been considered treason, with justice provided at the end of a rope.


7 posted on 08/07/2013 6:35:14 AM PDT by moovova
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To: Carbonsteel

“Disgraceful.

I wonder how Democrats will spin this.”

Democrats love it. They want to gut the military. What Democrats want strong is DHS to control the likes of us. It’s a decision they will sorely regret.

We are the United Socialist States of Detroit.


8 posted on 08/07/2013 6:35:31 AM PDT by brownsfan (Behold, the power of government cheese.)
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To: Carbonsteel

Bravo Sierra.

We are already behind the curve on maintaining our nuclear attack sub force at current levels with the new Virginia Class builds. Fixing the Miami is far cheaper than adding a new Virginia sub into the cycle at this point.

My guess is that what they plan is simply further reduce our overall number. Obama is allowing our naval strength to be overall reduced (and this is one vessel in that) as the Chinese continue to grow their Navy far, far more quickly


9 posted on 08/07/2013 6:35:52 AM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: Carbonsteel
The guy hurts 7 people and cause hundreds of millions of dollars in damage, and all he gets is 17 years in prison? He'll probably get out a lot earlier than that too.

Ugh.

10 posted on 08/07/2013 6:37:50 AM PDT by MEGoody (You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Carbonsteel

They’ll blame the sequester, which they’ve successfully blamed on the GOP.

It is a disgrace though. We’re running on fumes.


11 posted on 08/07/2013 6:39:06 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
People we need to bring back US industry.

I'm missing how this relates to the article. Can you clarify?

12 posted on 08/07/2013 6:39:31 AM PDT by MEGoody (You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: brownsfan
What Democrats want strong is DHS to control the likes of us

I hope you're not laboring under the belief that the gop doesn't want that just as much as team blue.

13 posted on 08/07/2013 6:39:54 AM PDT by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: Carbonsteel
I wonder how Democrats will spin this.

It's the Republicans' fault for agreeing to the kenyan's sequester.

14 posted on 08/07/2013 6:40:37 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE http://steshaw.org/econohttp://www.fee.org/library/det)
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To: MEGoody

We need to support our defense industry.

Our economy has to be growing, to do so.

Right now we have sent so much industry to China, that China’s industry is growing. Not America’s.

We need to bring American industry back to America, and stop supporting China’s growth.

I hesitate to say “America first” because there is a bit of that which has connotations.

But America again.

We need to bring back US industry and re-build our manufacturing base.

China is aggressively growing.

We need to rebuild.


15 posted on 08/07/2013 6:42:38 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: Carbonsteel
A shipyard worker, Casey James Fury, of Portsmouth, N.H., was sentenced to 17 years in prison after admitting he set fire to the Miami, which was in dry dock during a 20-month overhaul at Portsmouth Naval Shipyard in Kittery, Maine.

Can I assume this douchbag is democRAT?

16 posted on 08/07/2013 6:43:03 AM PDT by The_Victor (If all I want is a warm feeling, I should just wet my pants.)
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To: Carbonsteel

I was a little bit miffed on reading this.

But, OTOH, a big fire like this that’s damaged metal and multiple systems... I think for our sailors’ sake, it might be better to salvage what can be salvaged and scrap the rest. I’m not sure I’d want to trust my life to a sub that had been repaired after a fire.


17 posted on 08/07/2013 6:44:51 AM PDT by chrisser (Senseless legislation does nothing to solve senseless violence.)
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To: Orangedog

“I hope you’re not laboring under the belief that the gop doesn’t want that just as much as team blue.”

No, I don’t think that the GOP wants it as much. The reason being, the GOP isn’t that smart. The GOP is a confederation of self interested individuals, willing to do, say or support anything that improves their personal wealth.


18 posted on 08/07/2013 6:45:25 AM PDT by brownsfan (Behold, the power of government cheese.)
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To: Jeff Head

The number of unknowns in this rebuild have to be incomprehensible. The unknown / unresolved / unknowable effects of fire on metallurgy would seem to be insurmountable.

17 years? He got 17 years for this? His life is not worth the price of the sub let alone the 7 injured. He needs to be snuffed.


19 posted on 08/07/2013 6:47:03 AM PDT by Sequoyah101
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

I work for a company that does most of our work in China. What you said cannot be overstated. Our clients are aggressive Chinese capitalists. When they make a lot of money, the build more manufacturing facilities. Instead of hindering construction, as would happen in America, the government removes every obstacle to construction. Even if those obstacles are people’s houses.


20 posted on 08/07/2013 6:48:40 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: Carbonsteel

So, America is going to be short one nuclear submarine because some moron wanted the day off? Must be more of that fundamental transformation BS. Thanks Barry!


21 posted on 08/07/2013 6:49:12 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Senator Foghorn says, You should never resist being raped, robbed, beat down or murdered.)
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To: moovova

treason AND sabotage!


22 posted on 08/07/2013 6:57:54 AM PDT by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (Learn three chords and you, too, can be a Rock Star!)
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To: The_Victor

You can also assume he belongs to one of the selected union classes which is why he felt entitled to a day off.


23 posted on 08/07/2013 6:58:58 AM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: Vaquero

More money for Obama’s vacations.
And free cell phones for the urban Yoots.


24 posted on 08/07/2013 7:06:34 AM PDT by Yorlik803 ( Church/Caboose in 2016)
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To: MEGoody

As compared to obama who destroyed the nation and gets eight years in the white hut.


25 posted on 08/07/2013 7:09:54 AM PDT by Second Amendment First
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To: Carbonsteel

Doubling down on STUPID.


26 posted on 08/07/2013 7:13:14 AM PDT by Flintlock ("The redcoats are coming" -- TO SEIZE OUR GUNS!!--Paul Revere)
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To: demshateGod

We are not currently set, to deal with what China is becoming.

There are 5 times as many Chinese, as there are Americans, and they are all working against us.

We are busy sleeping, and selling out. And yes I do mean selling out, to all you Republicans selling American manufacturing to the Chinese, to sell in every store in America.

Wake up people.

I’m series.

Bring back American manufacturing.


27 posted on 08/07/2013 7:19:15 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: FlingWingFlyer

It wouldn’t surprised if they decided to extend the life of the USS Dallas, which is the next 688 class boat scheduled to decommission (mid 2014) They probably won’t refuel her, but can probably her another couple/few years out of her rocks. Then do the same thing with another 688 or two in order to maintain needed coverage.

The shame is that Miami was a 688i with VLS and the under ice mods. Dallas is a Flight 1 with neither ... But with repair costs of a half billion $ it doesn’t make sense to repair her.


28 posted on 08/07/2013 7:20:52 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: Jeff Head

I think they were weighing the replacement cost with the repair costs over the life expectancy of the sub. According to this article, this sub has a life expectancy of only 10 more years.


29 posted on 08/07/2013 7:33:07 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Inside every liberal and WOD defender is a totalitarian screaming to get out.)
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To: Carbonsteel
"... than it can afford due to mandated budget cuts."

Of all the nonsense and un-Constitutional actions by our 3 branches of government that we read about every day, this is one of the few responsibilities the Fedgov has via our Founding Fathers' intent.

I never get the meme that we are the only "super-power". With Russia, France, India, Pakistan, Israel, and now China having nukes, we are not the only "super-power". Yes, we have more than most, but if you got nuke, you got "super" leverage.

With China building its forces by the day, as we cut ours by the day, they will eventually become the "super". I still blame Clinton for taking campaign donations in exchange for nuke/missile tech to China and advancing their nuke/missile capabilities by at least a decade. Anyone remember Loral, Hughes, Riady, Chung? I also still believe that Ron Brown, Secretary of Commerce, was offed due to his opposition to duel-use tech being transferred from DOD to his Commerce Department.

The only thing that let's me sleep at night is knowing our Tridents are out there, but how long will that last with China building attack subs? That will be moot once some extreme Islamofacist nation/group get their hands on a deliverable nuke (Pakistan is always a question). The current nuke nations understand MAD, the Islam nutcases just don't care. So many of those Islamofacists want to see end times for their moon god so they can all go to heaven and eat fruit have their virgins.

If anything, our tax dollars should be spent on upgrading/increasing our current weapon systems and build new super weapons (think space weapons) to show the world to leave us alone and get their act together. We need a new arms race.

WHEN the first nuke hits America, maybe this nation of "gimmes" will wake up. Still, if not in their welfare or American Idol "hood", they may not care anyway. Guess they'll be surprised if it hits DC and their EBT cards become unavailable. The "Reality Show" junkies will just plain freak out as the economy nosedives. At 63, I hope I die before the above happens, and it will.

30 posted on 08/07/2013 7:38:31 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
"People we need to bring back US industry."

Got plan?

31 posted on 08/07/2013 7:39:32 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever)
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To: Orangedog

Why yes orangedog. I am of that belief.


32 posted on 08/07/2013 7:39:50 AM PDT by aumrl (let's keep it real Conservatives)
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To: A Navy Vet

Yes sort of, but I don’t think it’s my place to propose what we need to do.

Other than to say, we need to bring back American manufacturing.

Whether that involves changing the rules of international trade, whether we invoke some sort of tariff, what it means I wouldn’t want to get involved in that debate just yet.

Just trying to bring up what is an increasingly (ever increasingly) important topic.

We cannot import everything.

We must make things in America.


33 posted on 08/07/2013 7:45:04 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: Texas Eagle
Every day, Fox News becomes more and more a part of Obama's Press Corpse

What in this report make you say that?

34 posted on 08/07/2013 7:46:46 AM PDT by Half Vast Conspiracy (People in America are still tried in the courts rather than by left-wing protesters or by the media.)
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To: FreeAtlanta
"Democrats everywhere are celebrating."

Let me help you with the above: Democrats, Rino's, liberals, socialists, communists, one worlders, anarchists, et al, are "celebrating". Our military is the root of all evil according to their kumbaya thinking.

It's ironic that the original values that created America, and through its non-colonial military might led the way for so many nations to turn away from dictatorship and towards self-governance. Yet, from the moment Obambi took office, he has been apologizing for American might.

Think history: How many winning nations have ever given freedom to the people after wars and even helped to rebuild them (clue: Japan, Germany, Italy, South Korea)? How many nations have given so much to the World in so many other ways? What the hell do we have to apologize for?

Sometimes, just sometimes, I think we should pull up the drawbridge like Ron Paul and other libertarians think, and just annihilate any nation/group that messes with us. However, being a realist, I know we have to stay engaged in world affairs to minimalize growing threats. Of course to do so, means we have to have the military power. Downsizing our military is the exact opposite of what is needed to keep the crazies of the world in check.

35 posted on 08/07/2013 8:05:35 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever)
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To: Carbonsteel

Note to Portsmouth Naval Shipyard: You broke it, you bought it.


36 posted on 08/07/2013 8:09:12 AM PDT by MasterGunner01
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To: Carbonsteel

Why, if a civilian employee of the shipyard set the fire, is the Shipyard (or, more likely, their Liability policy)not paying the bill? It was their negligence and failure to supervise their employee that contributed to the damage. . .


37 posted on 08/07/2013 8:18:23 AM PDT by Salgak (http://catalogoftehburningstoopid.blogspot.com 100% all-natural snark !)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

MEGA DITTOS TO THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


38 posted on 08/07/2013 8:22:15 AM PDT by bandleader
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
"Whether that involves changing the rules of international trade, whether we invoke some sort of tariff,..."

I'm good with tariffs since China and many other nations use cheap labor. Let's try it. Of course, the downside with tariffs is they limit/stop importing our goods with their own tariffs. Trade wars are rarely a good thing, but at this point...what do we have to lose? If foreign goods got too expensive, then maybe current American companies and future start-ups would be more inclined to hire in America rather than outsource.

Although I've owned 3 different small service companies, I know nothing about manufacturing and selling goods out country. I could be entirely wrong.

39 posted on 08/07/2013 8:23:35 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever)
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To: Carbonsteel

That’s one way to cut back on our defenses.


40 posted on 08/07/2013 8:34:04 AM PDT by bgill (This reply was mined before it was posted.)
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To: aumrl

Could I interest you in some Montana beach front property or perhaps a used car?


41 posted on 08/07/2013 8:38:59 AM PDT by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: Salgak

It is a little understood fact that in construction, which can include ship re-fitting, in many cases the Government self insures for property insurance.

The contractor or the re-fittter does have general and comprehensive liability, but often property insurance covers the general fire exposure.

It would not suprise me if part of the loss is not insured by the repair or re-fitting contractor and is carried by the government as they often do not require “Builder’s Risk” on construction to cover the accepted and completed portions of the work.


42 posted on 08/07/2013 8:41:32 AM PDT by KC Burke (Officially since Memorial Day they are the Gimmie-crat Party.)
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To: KC Burke

Portsmouth Naval Shipyard is a NAVY shipyard. The worker who started the fire was a civilian US Navy employee. Why would the Navy sue itself?


43 posted on 08/07/2013 8:45:15 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: Salgak
Why, if a civilian employee of the shipyard set the fire, is the Shipyard (or, more likely, their Liability policy)not paying the bill?

The Navy owns it. Should they bill themselves?

44 posted on 08/07/2013 8:45:31 AM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: Texas Eagle

“Every day, Fox News becomes more and more a part of Obama’s Press Corpse.
Thanks for forwarding this press release, Fox News. “


OH BS on a galactic scale.

Tell us just what network has helped expose the vile filth in our government (BOTH SIDES) more than FOX!

No wonder Conservatives have such a problem winning elections as we will eat our own if we disagree on 1% of ANYTHING!


45 posted on 08/07/2013 8:49:24 AM PDT by Wurlitzer (Nothing says "ignorance" like Islam! 969)
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To: A Navy Vet
With China building its forces by the day, as we cut ours by the day, they will eventually become the "super".

You are aware that even without the Miami we outnumber the Chinese in nuclear attack subs 53 to 7? With at least 9 more in the pipeline? How many do you think we need?

46 posted on 08/07/2013 8:54:17 AM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: tanknetter

I was responding to the post asking why the insurance from whoever employed the workman wouldn’t cover the repairs as opposed to the Govt. Many don’t know that the government self-insures on some risks.

However, it is even further afield if he was a civilian Navy employee.


47 posted on 08/07/2013 8:58:31 AM PDT by KC Burke (Officially since Memorial Day they are the Gimmie-crat Party.)
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To: 0.E.O

Generally, the shipyards are corporate, not Federal. .


48 posted on 08/07/2013 9:33:57 AM PDT by Salgak (http://catalogoftehburningstoopid.blogspot.com 100% all-natural snark !)
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To: Salgak
Generally, the shipyards are corporate, not Federal. .

Generally. But in this case, as well as the case for Norfolk and Puget Sound and Pearl Harbor, the shipyard is owned and operated by the Navy.

49 posted on 08/07/2013 9:38:20 AM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: moovova

He should be sealed up in the sub and then scuttle it off the east coast...he’ll have a few days to think about what he’s done.


50 posted on 08/07/2013 11:02:34 AM PDT by hattend (Firearms and ammunition...the only growing industries under the Obama regime.)
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