Skip to comments.Navy drops plans to repair fire-damaged USS Miami
Posted on 08/07/2013 6:25:58 AM PDT by Carbonsteel
The Navy has decided that it will not repair the nuclear-powered submarine USS Miami after concluding that the cost of repairing damage from a fire set by a civilian worker is more than it can afford due to mandated budget cuts.
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I wonder how Democrats will spin this.
I guess zer0 will sell it to Iran or Cuba or N Korea.
Democrats everywhere are celebrating.
Just put it ‘aside’ like Jimmah did with the B-1. Americans will square it all away once there is an American in the W.H. Again.
People we need to bring back US industry.
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The loss of a nuclear sub is bad, but just think how many Obama phones this frees up for the poor huddling masses. /s
Seriously though...the guy only got 17 years? His actions should’ve been considered treason, with justice provided at the end of a rope.
I wonder how Democrats will spin this.”
Democrats love it. They want to gut the military. What Democrats want strong is DHS to control the likes of us. It’s a decision they will sorely regret.
We are the United Socialist States of Detroit.
We are already behind the curve on maintaining our nuclear attack sub force at current levels with the new Virginia Class builds. Fixing the Miami is far cheaper than adding a new Virginia sub into the cycle at this point.
My guess is that what they plan is simply further reduce our overall number. Obama is allowing our naval strength to be overall reduced (and this is one vessel in that) as the Chinese continue to grow their Navy far, far more quickly
They’ll blame the sequester, which they’ve successfully blamed on the GOP.
It is a disgrace though. We’re running on fumes.
I'm missing how this relates to the article. Can you clarify?
I hope you're not laboring under the belief that the gop doesn't want that just as much as team blue.
It's the Republicans' fault for agreeing to the kenyan's sequester.
We need to support our defense industry.
Our economy has to be growing, to do so.
Right now we have sent so much industry to China, that China’s industry is growing. Not America’s.
We need to bring American industry back to America, and stop supporting China’s growth.
I hesitate to say “America first” because there is a bit of that which has connotations.
But America again.
We need to bring back US industry and re-build our manufacturing base.
China is aggressively growing.
We need to rebuild.
Can I assume this douchbag is democRAT?
I was a little bit miffed on reading this.
But, OTOH, a big fire like this that’s damaged metal and multiple systems... I think for our sailors’ sake, it might be better to salvage what can be salvaged and scrap the rest. I’m not sure I’d want to trust my life to a sub that had been repaired after a fire.
“I hope you’re not laboring under the belief that the gop doesn’t want that just as much as team blue.”
No, I don’t think that the GOP wants it as much. The reason being, the GOP isn’t that smart. The GOP is a confederation of self interested individuals, willing to do, say or support anything that improves their personal wealth.
The number of unknowns in this rebuild have to be incomprehensible. The unknown / unresolved / unknowable effects of fire on metallurgy would seem to be insurmountable.
17 years? He got 17 years for this? His life is not worth the price of the sub let alone the 7 injured. He needs to be snuffed.
I work for a company that does most of our work in China. What you said cannot be overstated. Our clients are aggressive Chinese capitalists. When they make a lot of money, the build more manufacturing facilities. Instead of hindering construction, as would happen in America, the government removes every obstacle to construction. Even if those obstacles are people’s houses.
So, America is going to be short one nuclear submarine because some moron wanted the day off? Must be more of that fundamental transformation BS. Thanks Barry!
treason AND sabotage!
You can also assume he belongs to one of the selected union classes which is why he felt entitled to a day off.
More money for Obama’s vacations.
And free cell phones for the urban Yoots.
As compared to obama who destroyed the nation and gets eight years in the white hut.
Doubling down on STUPID.
We are not currently set, to deal with what China is becoming.
There are 5 times as many Chinese, as there are Americans, and they are all working against us.
We are busy sleeping, and selling out. And yes I do mean selling out, to all you Republicans selling American manufacturing to the Chinese, to sell in every store in America.
Wake up people.
Bring back American manufacturing.
It wouldn’t surprised if they decided to extend the life of the USS Dallas, which is the next 688 class boat scheduled to decommission (mid 2014) They probably won’t refuel her, but can probably her another couple/few years out of her rocks. Then do the same thing with another 688 or two in order to maintain needed coverage.
The shame is that Miami was a 688i with VLS and the under ice mods. Dallas is a Flight 1 with neither ... But with repair costs of a half billion $ it doesn’t make sense to repair her.
I think they were weighing the replacement cost with the repair costs over the life expectancy of the sub. According to this article, this sub has a life expectancy of only 10 more years.
Of all the nonsense and un-Constitutional actions by our 3 branches of government that we read about every day, this is one of the few responsibilities the Fedgov has via our Founding Fathers' intent.
I never get the meme that we are the only "super-power". With Russia, France, India, Pakistan, Israel, and now China having nukes, we are not the only "super-power". Yes, we have more than most, but if you got nuke, you got "super" leverage.
With China building its forces by the day, as we cut ours by the day, they will eventually become the "super". I still blame Clinton for taking campaign donations in exchange for nuke/missile tech to China and advancing their nuke/missile capabilities by at least a decade. Anyone remember Loral, Hughes, Riady, Chung? I also still believe that Ron Brown, Secretary of Commerce, was offed due to his opposition to duel-use tech being transferred from DOD to his Commerce Department.
The only thing that let's me sleep at night is knowing our Tridents are out there, but how long will that last with China building attack subs? That will be moot once some extreme Islamofacist nation/group get their hands on a deliverable nuke (Pakistan is always a question). The current nuke nations understand MAD, the Islam nutcases just don't care. So many of those Islamofacists want to see end times for their moon god so they can all go to heaven and eat fruit have their virgins.
If anything, our tax dollars should be spent on upgrading/increasing our current weapon systems and build new super weapons (think space weapons) to show the world to leave us alone and get their act together. We need a new arms race.
WHEN the first nuke hits America, maybe this nation of "gimmes" will wake up. Still, if not in their welfare or American Idol "hood", they may not care anyway. Guess they'll be surprised if it hits DC and their EBT cards become unavailable. The "Reality Show" junkies will just plain freak out as the economy nosedives. At 63, I hope I die before the above happens, and it will.
Why yes orangedog. I am of that belief.
Yes sort of, but I don’t think it’s my place to propose what we need to do.
Other than to say, we need to bring back American manufacturing.
Whether that involves changing the rules of international trade, whether we invoke some sort of tariff, what it means I wouldn’t want to get involved in that debate just yet.
Just trying to bring up what is an increasingly (ever increasingly) important topic.
We cannot import everything.
We must make things in America.
What in this report make you say that?
Let me help you with the above: Democrats, Rino's, liberals, socialists, communists, one worlders, anarchists, et al, are "celebrating". Our military is the root of all evil according to their kumbaya thinking.
It's ironic that the original values that created America, and through its non-colonial military might led the way for so many nations to turn away from dictatorship and towards self-governance. Yet, from the moment Obambi took office, he has been apologizing for American might.
Think history: How many winning nations have ever given freedom to the people after wars and even helped to rebuild them (clue: Japan, Germany, Italy, South Korea)? How many nations have given so much to the World in so many other ways? What the hell do we have to apologize for?
Sometimes, just sometimes, I think we should pull up the drawbridge like Ron Paul and other libertarians think, and just annihilate any nation/group that messes with us. However, being a realist, I know we have to stay engaged in world affairs to minimalize growing threats. Of course to do so, means we have to have the military power. Downsizing our military is the exact opposite of what is needed to keep the crazies of the world in check.
Note to Portsmouth Naval Shipyard: You broke it, you bought it.
Why, if a civilian employee of the shipyard set the fire, is the Shipyard (or, more likely, their Liability policy)not paying the bill? It was their negligence and failure to supervise their employee that contributed to the damage. . .
MEGA DITTOS TO THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm good with tariffs since China and many other nations use cheap labor. Let's try it. Of course, the downside with tariffs is they limit/stop importing our goods with their own tariffs. Trade wars are rarely a good thing, but at this point...what do we have to lose? If foreign goods got too expensive, then maybe current American companies and future start-ups would be more inclined to hire in America rather than outsource.
Although I've owned 3 different small service companies, I know nothing about manufacturing and selling goods out country. I could be entirely wrong.
That’s one way to cut back on our defenses.
Could I interest you in some Montana beach front property or perhaps a used car?
It is a little understood fact that in construction, which can include ship re-fitting, in many cases the Government self insures for property insurance.
The contractor or the re-fittter does have general and comprehensive liability, but often property insurance covers the general fire exposure.
It would not suprise me if part of the loss is not insured by the repair or re-fitting contractor and is carried by the government as they often do not require “Builder’s Risk” on construction to cover the accepted and completed portions of the work.
Portsmouth Naval Shipyard is a NAVY shipyard. The worker who started the fire was a civilian US Navy employee. Why would the Navy sue itself?
The Navy owns it. Should they bill themselves?
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Tell us just what network has helped expose the vile filth in our government (BOTH SIDES) more than FOX!
No wonder Conservatives have such a problem winning elections as we will eat our own if we disagree on 1% of ANYTHING!
You are aware that even without the Miami we outnumber the Chinese in nuclear attack subs 53 to 7? With at least 9 more in the pipeline? How many do you think we need?
I was responding to the post asking why the insurance from whoever employed the workman wouldn’t cover the repairs as opposed to the Govt. Many don’t know that the government self-insures on some risks.
However, it is even further afield if he was a civilian Navy employee.
Generally, the shipyards are corporate, not Federal. .
Generally. But in this case, as well as the case for Norfolk and Puget Sound and Pearl Harbor, the shipyard is owned and operated by the Navy.
He should be sealed up in the sub and then scuttle it off the east coast...he’ll have a few days to think about what he’s done.