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Freep Poll: Which city will be the next Detroit? Why?
August 7, 2013

Posted on 08/07/2013 8:31:55 AM PDT by NotYourAverageDhimmi

Which city will be the next to suffer the fate of Detroit (bankruptcy, alarming crime rate, exceptionally low property value, etc.)?

What's your reasoning behind the city you picked?


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KEYWORDS: bankruptcy; crime; detroit
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1 posted on 08/07/2013 8:31:55 AM PDT by NotYourAverageDhimmi
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To: NotYourAverageDhimmi

LA.

Because it’s the Western seat of left wing insanity and is larded with minorities and illegals.


2 posted on 08/07/2013 8:34:53 AM PDT by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: NotYourAverageDhimmi

Do WE get to choose??! Oh, Goody...


3 posted on 08/07/2013 8:36:17 AM PDT by Coffee... Black... No Sugar (I'm gonna' BICKER!)
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To: NotYourAverageDhimmi

Chicago and Baltimore.

Check the statistics.


4 posted on 08/07/2013 8:36:25 AM PDT by detective
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To: NotYourAverageDhimmi

The bums about on LA streets doesn’t give this city the glamour it steals. And a lot of these so-called homeless are arsonists to boot.


5 posted on 08/07/2013 8:37:33 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: NotYourAverageDhimmi

The answer to the question may be forecast by the amount of liberal corruption within the government and various departments of a particular city, combined with the racial composition of the residents.

Provo, UT, for instance, may be a bit less likely to go under than St Louis.

All of these city collapses are avoidable, but more likely inevitable.


6 posted on 08/07/2013 8:38:30 AM PDT by lurk
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To: detective

I’m going with Chicago as well.

Overrun with unionistas and corrupt politicians.


7 posted on 08/07/2013 8:38:45 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: IbJensen

ANYPLACE, USA.

I’m in a small MA town with relatively low unemployment, higher incomes, but with ‘Rat finances. That means elected officials with union connections approving the pensions from the beginning of time. We have upwards of $100 Million in unfunded liabilities, which is 3 TIMES the town budget, and certainly WAY bigger than the town/school budget. If it’s here, it’s in potentially anyplace.


8 posted on 08/07/2013 8:39:40 AM PDT by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: detective

Chicago has a wide and varied economy which would preclude this sort of thing.


9 posted on 08/07/2013 8:39:41 AM PDT by Borges
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To: NotYourAverageDhimmi

Baltimore. St. Louis. New Haven.

Chicago is a mess, but it’s still a travel hub and an economic center.


10 posted on 08/07/2013 8:39:55 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: IbJensen

LA is a good choice because the libs have driven away the middle and upper income people leaving the poor and the criminals.


11 posted on 08/07/2013 8:40:20 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Inside every liberal and WOD defender is a totalitarian screaming to get out.)
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To: Borges
Chicago has a wide and varied economy which would preclude this sort of thing.

Sure if you ignore the growing debt and falling credit rating.
12 posted on 08/07/2013 8:41:39 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: NotYourAverageDhimmi

Cleveland,it’s been under the liberals thumb for about as long as Detroit.


13 posted on 08/07/2013 8:41:49 AM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: NotYourAverageDhimmi

Philadelphia, Baltimore, and Chicago all come to mind.


14 posted on 08/07/2013 8:42:01 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Inside every liberal and WOD defender is a totalitarian screaming to get out.)
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To: NotYourAverageDhimmi
It could be any of a hundred large cities since most are and have been liberal/progressive controlled for many years. Actually, the best way to figure the one that is next is to look at each one and see which have had the liberal/progressive running things for the longest. Do not make the mistake of looking at the party. There are several run by Republican liberal/progressives.
15 posted on 08/07/2013 8:42:13 AM PDT by Tupelo (The Government lies, then the media lies to cover up the government lies.)
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To: Farmer Dean

Bingo. Cleveland always a safe bet for this title.


16 posted on 08/07/2013 8:43:16 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Coffee... Black... No Sugar

“Do WE get to choose??! Oh, Goody...”

Agree. And the “winning” city must be destroyed.

Let’s start the vote.

I’ll add my input: Washington D.C.


17 posted on 08/07/2013 8:44:05 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: NotYourAverageDhimmi

Omaha, NE. The former two mayors have put the city into a losing situation with police and fire pensions. The newly elected mayor is doing her best to bring things back into order, but the fire/police unions are unwilling to budge on making their departments fiscally responsible and meeting budget requirements. It is only a matter of time before the city goes bankrupt.


18 posted on 08/07/2013 8:44:21 AM PDT by toolman1401
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To: Tupelo
Do not make the mistake of looking at the party. There are several run by Republican liberal/progressives.

Then there are smaller cities like Ann Arbor and Kalamazoo Michigan which very liberal but doing pretty good as long as the tax dollars keep rolling in to the universities.
19 posted on 08/07/2013 8:44:45 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: NotYourAverageDhimmi

There is still a lot of money in Chicago. They can still play games with the books for some time to come. When you see a mass exodus of wealthy people from Chicago, we could put Chicago on the list for the next to fall.

But Chicago still has enough wealthy people to fleece. Chicago is also taking a lot of money from the state. If IL ever gets a republican governor that reduces the corruption, Chicago is in trouble.

But nobody needs to worry about that. All citizens in IL are funding Chicago.


20 posted on 08/07/2013 8:46:25 AM PDT by Tenacious 1 (Waiting for next tagline.)
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To: IbJensen

no way is LA next...


21 posted on 08/07/2013 8:46:38 AM PDT by latina4dubya (when i have money i buy books... if i have anything left, i buy 6-inch heels and a bottle of wine...)
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To: Da Coyote

Washington, DC will be the very LAST city to go bankrupt.
They have an unlimited ability to stick a vacuum hose into pockets anywhere in the country and suck dollars in their direction.

Was there in March. Money is palpably bubbling up thru the sidewalks in that town.


22 posted on 08/07/2013 8:47:50 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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23 posted on 08/07/2013 8:48:33 AM PDT by RedMDer (http://www.dontfundobamacare.com/)
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To: detective

Baltimore was a prosperous, thriving city before it was taken over and controlled by a Marxist regime. Now it is fit for nothing less than an ash pit. Any city that celebrates poverty and thuggery is destined for oblivion.


24 posted on 08/07/2013 8:48:42 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell (This is a wake up call. Join the Sultan Knish ping list.)
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To: NotYourAverageDhimmi

Whichever one has the most tall buildings and the most democrats in office.


25 posted on 08/07/2013 8:52:18 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad & lived with his parents most his life.)
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To: Tenacious 1
True enough, people overlook at how many cities are already getting bailouts by other means. Like Chicago (and Detroit) wanting to shift union health care costs to Obamacare or Gary Indiana wanting the state police to patrol the city. These are bailouts by other means.

In fact I wouldn't count NY out either. They got a bailout in the form of loan guarantees back in the 70s and their debt has continued to grow.
26 posted on 08/07/2013 8:53:16 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Farmer Dean

Cleveland, Flint? There are quite a few possibles.


27 posted on 08/07/2013 8:53:33 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: NotYourAverageDhimmi

Surprised no one’s mentioned Oakland, CA. I thought I remembered reading that they were on the brink of bankruptcy at one time.


28 posted on 08/07/2013 8:53:34 AM PDT by cincinnati65
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To: NotYourAverageDhimmi

Baltimore, MD, Most of NJ, Most of upstate NY, Most of the rust-belt cities in the upper midwest, The old industrial centers of the southeast, all of the cities along the I-75 corridor, the coal mining towns, the mining and manfacturing centers throughout the US, most of texas and the southwest, the pacific northwest, and alaska.

That is the goal of the communists and fascists currently infesting our federal government. This is what they want, to divide and conquer, and take control of it all.

Make no mistake, this is the goal, and those in power are making it happen, now.


29 posted on 08/07/2013 9:00:03 AM PDT by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: Cicero

St. Louis actually has been rebounding for the last 5 to 10 years. New stuff going up all the time, interstates being updated, old empty neighborhoods have complete blocks of new homes/condos. Its not good everywhere, and some areas even the cops don’t go in alone, but the city is not next to follow Detroit.


30 posted on 08/07/2013 9:04:41 AM PDT by patriotUSA (Thank you Jesus.)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

Flint is losing more than 20,000 people per decade. Likely it will become a ghost town before it actually goes broke.


31 posted on 08/07/2013 9:05:23 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: NotYourAverageDhimmi

Any city with these 2 factors.
1. Run by Democrats for 40 years
2. Economy was based on one (any one) major business or enterprise.
That was what did Detroit in........


32 posted on 08/07/2013 9:05:59 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I go to sign up for the American Revolution 2013 and the Crusades 2013?)
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To: Louis Foxwell

“Baltimore was a prosperous, thriving city before it was taken over and controlled by a Marxist regime.”

And was the hometown for Nazi Pelosi, nee D’Alessandro (her father was the corrupt mayor there). We Californians wished that she had stayed there and crapped in her own nest.


33 posted on 08/07/2013 9:06:20 AM PDT by vette6387
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To: detective; cripplecreek

It won’t be Chicago. At least, not as far as bankruptcy goes. About a third of the entire US economy runs through that town and there’s plenty of blood left to suck. Now if we’re talking crime rate, urban depopulation, etc. then sure, Chicago has a bleak future.


34 posted on 08/07/2013 9:06:43 AM PDT by SeeSharp
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To: NotYourAverageDhimmi

My predictions in order:

1. Oakland
2. Los Angeles
3. East St. Louis
4. Chicago
5. Harrisburg, PA


35 posted on 08/07/2013 9:07:21 AM PDT by ScottinVA (If you don't care about Antonio Santiago, sure as hell don't whine about Trayvon Martin.)
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To: factoryrat

You’re wrong on NJ. Yes, there are pockets of filth (wish Philly would just annex Camden already) but there is lots of wealth here - especially in the North and Central part of the state that is close to NYC. Property values in those areas never fell much. A family member is a Realtor and there is currently about a 15 day inventory of houses for sale. And people are staying, building additions and renovating.

There are huge corporations with lots of infrastructure here that provide a tax base in every sector of the economy from Manufacturing to Service. J&J, Pfizer, Merck, Bristol Myers, Verizon, AT&T, Chubb, Large Law & CPA Firms.... I could go on and haven’t even mentioned professional sports or the Super Bowl.

Like any other state, there are issues. (Newark/Camden) But to answer the original question, I’d look to some of the cities around Detroit. Lansing, Flint, Pontiac... the places where blocks of houses are sitting empty.


36 posted on 08/07/2013 9:07:55 AM PDT by TangledUpInBlue (I have no home. I'm the wind.)
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To: NotYourAverageDhimmi

Chicago...

Because the gangs run the city..and criminals make the rules in that city and also live there..It’s a war zone and full of savages and animals. Along with a corrupt government..


37 posted on 08/07/2013 9:12:25 AM PDT by PLD
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To: patriotUSA

Glad to hear it. I had friends who lived in St. Louis but moved out, so I haven’t really kept up with it.


38 posted on 08/07/2013 9:12:28 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: ScottinVA

I thought the question asked for a major city.

If smaller cities like East St. Louis can be included then I would put Camden NJ at the top of the list.


39 posted on 08/07/2013 9:14:02 AM PDT by detective
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To: IbJensen

Cleveland! Talk about high crime and corrupt govvies.


40 posted on 08/07/2013 9:14:28 AM PDT by ronniesgal (First obama, now Weiner....Bill Clinton is starting to look like a good guy.)
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To: SECURE AMERICA

You appear to be missing one of the key factors that did Detroit in.

The decline of the Detroit automakers is often overstated. Ford, Chrysler, and General Motors remain the top three car producers in the North American market. Further, if the decline of the Detroit auto industry led to Detroit’s demise then why didn’t Detroit’s suburbs which also relied on that industry for employment and economic stability suffer the same fate as Detroit proper?


41 posted on 08/07/2013 9:21:24 AM PDT by NotYourAverageDhimmi
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To: factoryrat

People live in a fantasy world even here at FR.

People say it can’t happen to their city because they’ve got taxpayers but that tells me that they’re basing their fantasy in exactly the wrong place. Virtually every city in the country has a growing debt and the only way to pay it down is to raise taxes at which point taxpayers will flee.

They think that a growing population means all is well but Tucson is in pretty bad shape despite a growing population because so many of those people are illegals (another chicago problem)

Chicago can’t go broke, they’re a transport hub but again it doesn’t matter one bit. Detroit is a major port city and the second busiest freight crossing on the continent and its still broke.


42 posted on 08/07/2013 9:21:26 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: ronniesgal

Baltimore and St. Louis, because they are not part of the county that surrounds them, so have run unbridled corruption.


43 posted on 08/07/2013 9:21:54 AM PDT by expat2
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To: SECURE AMERICA

You appear to be missing one of the key factors that did Detroit in.

The decline of the Detroit automakers is often overstated. Ford, Chrysler, and General Motors remain the top three car producers in the North American market. Further, if the decline of the Detroit auto industry led to Detroit’s demise then why didn’t Detroit’s suburbs which also relied on that industry for employment and economic stability suffer the same fate as Detroit proper?


44 posted on 08/07/2013 9:22:02 AM PDT by NotYourAverageDhimmi
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To: toolman1401

Don’t forget about the 2 billion (with a b) sewer project that our masters at the EPA are forcing on the city. That is a big old bill that is not going away.


45 posted on 08/07/2013 9:27:00 AM PDT by Big Red Clay (Greetings from the Big Red State)
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To: SeeSharp
“It won’t be Chicago. At least, not as far as bankruptcy goes. About a third of the entire US economy runs through that town and there’s plenty of blood left to suck.”

Detroit was far more prosperous than Chicago in the 1960’s and 1970’s if you look at median income, home ownership, automobile ownership, etc.

It is crime, parasites and politicians that destroy a City.

The Daley machine, as corrupt as it was, kept Chicago from falling off the cliff into unstoppable crime and dysfunction. The Daley machine is no more. Chicago is doomed. The hard working, responsible and successful people are leaving. The thugs and parasites will remain.

The only question is how long will the State of Illinois and the Federal taxpayers continue to subsidize the crime and dysfunction in Chicago.

46 posted on 08/07/2013 9:33:22 AM PDT by detective
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To: NotYourAverageDhimmi
if the decline of the Detroit auto industry led to Detroit’s demise then why didn’t Detroit’s suburbs which also relied on that industry for employment and economic stability suffer the same fate as Detroit proper?

There are still a lot of automotive related jobs in the area. In fact many of those big 3 parts makers are also making parts for companies like Toyota. The last factory I worked in produced primarily Cadillac parts but we also made Jeep, F150, and Toyota parts as smaller jobs.
47 posted on 08/07/2013 9:34:16 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: NotYourAverageDhimmi

Link?


48 posted on 08/07/2013 9:34:26 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: ScottinVA

Nope, scottinva. Reading goes down long before Harrisburg; the politicians in H-burg will keep their own playground protected.


49 posted on 08/07/2013 9:34:56 AM PDT by Walrus (America died on November 6, 2012 --- RIP)
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To: expat2

I know about Balto!
and their mayor wants to challenge the beast to be our president.


50 posted on 08/07/2013 9:41:47 AM PDT by ronniesgal (First obama, now Weiner....Bill Clinton is starting to look like a good guy.)
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