Skip to comments.Russia's treatment of gays comparable to Nazi Germany?
Posted on 08/07/2013 2:37:05 PM PDT by NKP_Vet
In a broad-ranging interview on "The Tonight Show With Jay Leno" on Tuesday night, President Barack Obama addressed Russia's recently passed anti-gay laws by saying he has "no patience for countries that try to treat gays or lesbians or transgender persons in ways that intimidate them or are harmful to them."
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paying for Egyptian crucifixions and slaves for Islam
from Libya (with Manpads for them, too) to Syria.
When did the undocumented pRes_ _ent ever speak up
for freedom??? NEVER.
Hey Barack, how’s your patience with the Muslim Brotherhood? After all, these people are renowned for their tolerant attitude towards homosexuality...NOT!!!!
Obama and Leno are both morons. There is a huge difference between a Russian ban on gay recruiting propaganda and the Nazis sending gays into ovens.
Oh, really? Like all the muslim countries that take such fabulous care of gays? By hanging or beheading them?
We have people blowing up American citizens in Boston. The needle on my GIVE-A-S**T METER doesn’t move at all because Russia doesn’t bend over for the homosexuals.
No. Russia’s policy makes it a criminal offense to promulgate homosexuality publicly and to children, not to practice it in private. Also, there are no round-ups and extermination camps. So again, the answer to the rediculous question put forth by the author is still “no”. Iran or Saudi Arabia on the other hand might be more appropriate comparisons to Nazi Germany.
America's treatment of gays comparable to Caligula Rome?
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Uh...Nazis were rife with homosexuals, Hitler surrounded himself with them, probably was one (see "Hidden Hitler" by Lothar Machlan, if I remember the author's name correctly) and in fact, the philosophical foundation of Nazism including homosexuality. Homosexuals were never targeted for extinction or punishment, only a small number were ever incarcerated in camps for the "crime", and they were often political opponents. The connection between Nazism and homosexuality was well known at the time "The History of the Third Reich" was printed. Read "The Pink Swastika" - best book about the topic. Two places have it all online.
Amazing when Russia is a freer and better place with better moral that the US.
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BTW - "The Pink Swastika" tells the real story of the Nazi book burning...
See my comment above. Using Nazi Germany as an example of a country that was “mean” to fags is all wrong...
One of the bizarre subtexts of the Third Reich was a seeming “war” between butch and pink homosexuals that’s never been well explained.
The hierarchy of the Sturmabteilung, Storm Troopers, the “brown shirts”, was loaded with butch homosexuals, including its leader Ernst Röhm, who was later purged during “The Night of the Long Knives”, and replaced along with other homosexual SA leaders. And the SA were at the forefront of the persecution of pink homosexuals. Many remaining butch homosexuals then joined the General SS.
But the homosexual schism goes back to the 1860’s. The “grandfather of gay rights” was a homosexual German lawyer named Karl Heinrich Ulrichs. By the time Ulrichs died in 1895, the “gay rights” movement in Germany had gained considerable strength. Frederich Engels noted this in a letter to Karl Marx regarding Ulrich’s efforts. But after his death, the movement split into two separate and opposed factions.
What divided these groups was their concepts of masculinity, what today can be called butch and pink. The butch faction were Nietzschean, and perceived themselves not merely as masculine, but as a breed of men superior in masculine qualities even to heterosexuals.
The Community of the Special (CS) asserted that male homosexuality was the foundation of all nation-states and that male homosexuals represented an elite strata of human society.
And they worked hand in glove in the Nazi party, with special hatred for pink homosexuals.
Actually most Mozlem countries are very schizophrenic about male/male sodomy. Publically it is illegal, but privately pederasty is very common in many Mozlem countries, such as Afghanistan. Male/male sodomy is very common there.
The Nazis NEVER SENT HOMOSEXUALS INTO OVENS!
Sheesh, you people need to read “The Pink Swastika”!
Or buy it (also on the above sites too)
There is no excuse for the ignorance of thinking that Nazis in any way targeted homosexuals for punishment or death.
The Russians are just being practical. They saw their declining and aging population and reasoned(accurately) that homosexuality is not part of the solution.
Actually several of hitler’s top aids were in fact queer.
Hitler, like obama, was/is a homosexual
One of my (non-Jewish) relatives was sent to a Nazi concentration camp for being homosexual. He was shot according to Auschwitz records, rather than gassed or burned, so I was a little sloppy in my choice of words. The point is the same though. If you prefer an Internet link to family history, how about the Holocaust Museum?
"The Nazi campaign against homosexuality targeted the more than one million German men who, the state asserted, carried a "degeneracy" that threatened the "disciplined masculinity" of Germany. Denounced as "antisocial parasites" and as "enemies of the state," more than 100,000 men were arrested under a broadly interpreted law against homosexuality. Approximately 50,000 men served prison terms as convicted homosexuals, while an unknown number were institutionalized in mental hospitals. Othersperhaps hundredswere castrated under court order or coercion. Analyses of fragmentary records suggest that between 5,000 and 15,000 homosexual men were imprisoned in concentration camps, where many died from starvation, disease, exhaustion, beatings, and murder."
We have clear documentary evidence written by the Nazis that the Nazis labeled individuals as homosexual, tortured them, and murdered them. I'm not sure why anyone would question that aspect of the Holocaust.
The Holocaust museum is filled with revisionist “non-homophobic” phony history. I remember Jews protesting against this very subject and madeup “anti-gay” history a few years ago.
The point is the Nazis had tons of homosexuals in the ranks, Hitler Jugend was known as “Homo Jugend”, and trying to equate the treatment of homosexuals by the Nazis (when many of them were flagrant and unbelievably depraved and vicious homosexuals themselves) is not only patently untrue, it is highly offensive.
I suggest you read “The Pink Swastika”. It is by far the best book on the topic of homosexuals and the Nazis.
Regarding the anti-sodomy law in Nazi Germany, it was actually removed, and then later reinstated; especially to use as tool to arrest political enemies. The Nazis loathed effeminate homosexuals and prided themselves on their uber masculinity - as long as they were the dominant sodomite.
When you say “broadly interpreted law against homosexuality” you ain’t kidding. Many non-homosexual men were arrested - political enemies especially, opponents of the State.
You really, really need to get educated on this topic.
Homosexuals as a class were never targeted for extinction. Most homosexuals who died in camps died from hunger, disease and filth. And very few died, especially when you compare the numbers to especially Jews, but also Slavs, Gypsies etc.
Actually several of hitlers top aids were in fact queer.
Most if not all were. Read “Hidden Hitler”. And the author is not “homophobic”. He’s a German historian.
Russia’s policy is not to allow promotion of homosexuality activity. There will be no “pride” parades in public. There will be no sodomy taught in schools. There will be pretend marriage of sodomites. Putin has drove the immoral bastards back into the closet where they belong.
I need to ping out this thread and the one below, check it out!
From Russia, With Hate: Sodomy Lobby Now Dictating U.S. Foreign Policy
The Other McCain ^ | August 7, 2013 | Robert Stacy McCain
Posted on Wednesday, August 07, 2013 6:06:59 PM by 2ndDivisionVet
Last month, I wrote about Russias harsh backlash against gay-rights activism (Russia Says Nyet to Gay Adoptions), and it turns out that this explains the cancellation of a scheduled summit:
The Wall Street Journal, among others, reports that President Barack Obama has decided to cancel a summit meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin over Russias grant of temporary asylum to NSA leaker Edward Snowden. Yet that cannot possibly be the case. A few weeks ago, when Snowden arrived in Russia, Obama brushed the issue aside: he was not scrambling jets to get a 29-year-old hacker, he said.
Obama also downplayed the Snowden issue on The Tonight Show with Jay Leno on Tuesday, as the Daily Caller notes. But he played up the conflict over gay rights, citing Russias insistence that it will enforce its anti-gay laws during the 2014 Winter Olympics in Sochi (and confusing them with the Summer Olympics in the process). He claimed that he had been very clear that gay rights should transcend every country. . . .
Read the rest by Joel Pollak at Breitbart News. The astute reader will perceive how the whole neocon imperialist crusader philosophy of Bush administration foreign policy, which Obama supposedly was going to reverse, has instead been simply converted to other purposes. Whereas the Republicans were going to spread democracy to the Middle East at the point of a bayonet, now the Obama regime aims to spread cultural liberalism by means of diplomatic hardball. This is a further sop to the same vocal minority that supports John Kerrys recognition of foreign gay marriages for immigration purposes.
Cant wait to see what the paleoconservatives have to say about this, and expect this may be a rare occasion of paleo/neo agreement.
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I guess nobody who screams out loud at MSNBC has ever read this anti-homosexual law.
It has nothing to do with persecution of homosexual and comparing it to Holocaust is beyond ridiculous.
This law is a kind of DADT(to minors). Gay pride is banned for a single reason - it is public and you cant hide it from children.
Queers arent banned from any kind of their activism as soon as it targets adults only. They can have their pride at private space as well.
hat makes it illegal is recruiting people under 18 into that kind of lifestyles.
For that same reason Obama and MSNBC and other critics of this law are backing pedophiles, not homosexuals (which is often the same).
When I was in school in the late 70’s and early 80’s we used to have drills to hide under our desks out of fear of the commies nuking us. Now, I want to hide under my desk out of fear of God’s wrath being struck on my own country. It is truly bizarro world....
Watch as the other shoe falls and Putin replys in some colorful and uniquely Russian way. What could he do? he’s got Snowdens data—he could release it. He could shut down our air link to Kabul leaving our troops with no way out. He could ban US movies from coming into Russia. He could stop all Americans from flying to the International Space Station. He could send out his bombers to see how close they can get to the USA? He could start by having people in Russia make a movie “The Truth about Obama”. He could send troops to Syria—more ships to the area—so many ways he could hit back. Will he? You bet! Just watch!
I have not read it but I know about the queer infiltrators. Please don’t use their language to effect a conversation. True homophobes are typically men who were molested as little boys by male homosexuals—Sandusky’s victims come to mind. We must not confuse an abominable and disgusting behavior with fear.
I only used the word “homophobe” in “” to show my disdain! Actually Lothar Machlan (I THINK I got his name right) made that claim himself (not with “”) to show that his research was disinterested and not to promote any agenda.
Actually any young men or boys should be “homophobes” and should avoid homosexuals like the plague (that they are).
Just as any normal person should be afraid of being around anyone with a virulent infective illness. Homosexuality is “catching” in the sense that homosexuals notoriously groom and/or molest young boys and teenagers, and many of them become homosexual themselves.
I cannot say how revolted and angered I am by OUR government’s promotion of mentally ill sex perversion all over the world.
He could start by having people in Russia make a movie The Truth about Obama