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Scores on Math and English Tests Plummet After State Adopts New Standards
New York Times ^ | August 7, 2013 | By JAVIER C. HERNÁNDEZ and ROBERT GEBELOFF

Posted on 08/07/2013 5:46:32 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

The number of New York students passing state reading and math exams dropped drastically this year, education officials reported on Wednesday, unsettling parents, principals and teachers and posing new challenges to a national effort to toughen academic standards.

In New York City, 26 percent of students in third through eighth grade passed the tests in English, and 30 percent passed in math, according to the New York State Education Department.

The exams were some of the first in the nation to be aligned with a more rigorous set of standards known as the Common Core, which emphasize deep analysis and creative problem-solving over short answers and memorization. Last year, under an easier test, 47 percent of city students passed in English, and 60 percent in math.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: New York
KEYWORDS: commoncore; education; englishtest; mathtest; publicschools; schools

1 posted on 08/07/2013 5:46:32 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Common Core, which emphasize deep analysis and creative problem-solving over short answers and memorization.

LOL
2 posted on 08/07/2013 5:51:24 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
The exams were some of the first in the nation to be aligned with a more rigorous set of standards known as the Common Core,

Well, this is an easy one. Drop the standards and then give them a Nobel Peace Prize to show how enlightened and morally superior you are. Problem solved.

3 posted on 08/07/2013 5:53:31 PM PDT by Smokeyblue
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To: Smokeyblue

Yup this is the last time anyone takes this test.


4 posted on 08/07/2013 5:56:47 PM PDT by Venturer ( cowardice posturing as tolerance =political correctness)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

I teach in Ohio and we also adopted CC. It’s crap. The 9-10 grade and 11-12 grade language arts standards contain almost no specific language. For example, one standard requires students to take part in sustained reading. Define sustained. Is it 10 minutes, one hour, half of a school day? Another favorite standard requires students to take part in sustained research, so along with sustained what is research? Surfing the Yahoo! newsfeed? Consulting primary sources? Accessing peer reviewed papers? It’s just a mess because bad teachers, and there are many, will be able to take advantage of this. Then there is the fact that the 9-10 grade standards are identical, and the 11-12 grade standards are identical. To top it off, both sets of standars’ bands are almost identical to each other!


5 posted on 08/07/2013 5:59:55 PM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
3...2...1...

RACISM!!!

6 posted on 08/07/2013 5:59:56 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

And I’ve heard from many students that half the things on the HS Regents exams weren’t even covered by teachers. This from several different districts.


7 posted on 08/07/2013 6:00:29 PM PDT by MacMattico
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

I think school boards should start testing teachers to see if they can pass the test. BWAHAHAAAA.


8 posted on 08/07/2013 6:01:58 PM PDT by immadashell
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To: cripplecreek

Deep analysis and creative problem solving for six-year-old kindergarten students. What a laugh.

Please just pull your kids out, go on line and find a suitable curriculum for your child’s age group. Start your own schools — or better yet, homeschool.

The whole thing is a joke.

Public schools are finished. You want to know why? The teachers aren’t smart enough, talented enough, to teach your kid since they are a product of the same crappy NY public school system - so sorry.


9 posted on 08/07/2013 6:05:33 PM PDT by goldi
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To: immadashell

I teach. You would be shocked (or perhaps not) at the amount of teachers who are not comfortable enough with the curriculum to be able to teach it effectively. Oh yeah, the level that I teach.........elementary.


10 posted on 08/07/2013 6:09:37 PM PDT by gop4lyf (Are we no longer in that awkward time? Or is it still too early?)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Common Core is a crap communist indoctrination scheme. It has little to do with academic excellence. It is easier to manipulate the illiterate. Common Core increases illiteracy.
11 posted on 08/07/2013 6:10:58 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Now if the tests were text messaged and Tweeted perhaps ....


12 posted on 08/07/2013 6:12:11 PM PDT by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: goodwithagun
The word "sustained" is commonly found in the popular communist/socialist literature. It is embedded in the Agenda 21 crap. The only "stain" you'll get from Common Core is a skid mark on the skivvies.
13 posted on 08/07/2013 6:13:45 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: All

i’m trying to find any reason why Elliot spritzer, Anthony weiner or Michael Bloomberg would want an educated and informed citizenry in new York.
i’m not coming up with with a reason.


14 posted on 08/07/2013 6:16:51 PM PDT by willywill
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To: cripplecreek

In other words there is no right or wrong answer, it is all nuanced. Good way to produce MORE democrap idiots.


15 posted on 08/07/2013 6:17:15 PM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (To stay calm during these tumultuous times, I take Damitol. Ask your Doctor if it's right for you.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
The number of New York students passing state reading and math exams dropped drastically this year, education officials reported on Wednesday, unsettling parents, principals and teachers and posing new challenges to a national effort to toughen academic standards. . . . The exams were some of the first in the nation to be aligned with a more rigorous set of standards known as the Common Core, which emphasize deep analysis and creative problem-solving over short answers and memorization. . . . The Common Core standards have been adopted by 45 states and the District of Columbia. Although not technically national standards, they are ardently backed by the Obama administration and education officials who contend that outdated and inconsistent guidelines leave students ill prepared for college and the work force.

In 2010, Barack Obama called for fixing the public education system by giving us the Elementary and Secondary Education Act and “Race to the Top,”

which he said would fix the education system already fixed by the 2001 GW Bush and Ted Kennedy legislation called “No Child Left Behind,”

which was supposed to fix a system supposedly already fixed by a 1994 piece of federal legislation called “Goals 2000,”

which was supposed to fix a system already fixed by “America 2000,”

which was a 1991 response during the Bush administration to a 1983 federal report on education called “A Nation at Risk,

which was published a full four years after Jimmy Carter first fixed the nation’s public school system by establishing a cabinet-level Department of Education in 1979.

16 posted on 08/07/2013 6:17:28 PM PDT by Maceman (Just say "NO" to tyranny.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

RACISM!


17 posted on 08/07/2013 6:17:38 PM PDT by Dallas59 (Obama: The first "White Black" President.)
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To: immadashell

I second that motion!


18 posted on 08/07/2013 6:25:49 PM PDT by dinodino
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Ummm,
what’s math?


19 posted on 08/07/2013 6:30:07 PM PDT by sasquatch
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To: sasquatch

(I’m kinda knew her)


20 posted on 08/07/2013 6:31:48 PM PDT by sasquatch
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

I thunked pur edukasion was all Bush’s falt.


21 posted on 08/07/2013 6:39:07 PM PDT by YHAOS
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
They're too busy teaching "diversity", "sensitivity", "sex practices", etc. to teach Math and English.

ALL Teachers should be fired, then offered Non-Union Rehiring.....with a Merit-based performance measurement that shit-cans the crap teachers, and promotes the effective ones.

22 posted on 08/07/2013 7:20:37 PM PDT by traditional1 (Amerika.....Providing public housing for the Mulatto Messiah)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

maybe because their written in cursive????


23 posted on 08/07/2013 7:28:32 PM PDT by bikerman (Obama! if his lips are moving he's lying.)
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To: cripplecreek

Common Core, which emphasize deep analysis and creative problem-solving over short answers and memorization.

Yes, the exact problem most employers are encountering when trying to hire .... candidates don’t know sh!t but can talk for hours about it!


24 posted on 08/07/2013 7:35:52 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (The only growth industries left under Progressives are government and poverty.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

The left just LOVES to provide us with train wreck after train wreck.

They love sudden, major changes to everything in our lives. It totally overwhlems people and they crumble under the assault.

I think Alinsky trained them well.


25 posted on 08/07/2013 7:37:58 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Common core reminds me of “the new math” craze in the 70s. A waste.


26 posted on 08/07/2013 7:49:41 PM PDT by Signalman
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To: traditional1

Agree.


27 posted on 08/07/2013 7:56:16 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Let them try even community college level linear algebra. Boy that was a pain.

Have fun!


28 posted on 08/07/2013 7:58:09 PM PDT by Monty22002
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To: Smokeyblue

Well played!


29 posted on 08/07/2013 8:00:30 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

After the Atlanta Public schools cheating scandal, they probably aren’t as eager to change test scores.


30 posted on 08/07/2013 8:10:32 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (There should be a whole lot more going on than throwing bleach, said one woman.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Obviously, these schools are underfunded.


31 posted on 08/07/2013 8:16:44 PM PDT by Artie (We are surrounded by MORONS)
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To: goodwithagun

Those of our kids who are not able to enroll in private schools or AP classes will be unable to get into any college.

Out grandchildren in Maryland are thankfully in the STEM program which is exempt from the train wreck that is Common Core.

I believe that Texas is dropping it, and I am shocked that Ohio is just starting it. What a mistake. Our children will suffer all their lives from this.


32 posted on 08/07/2013 9:18:11 PM PDT by SusaninOhio
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
In New York City, 26 percent of students in third through eighth grade passed the tests in English, and 30 percent passed in math, according to the New York State Education Department.

....Despite the drop in scores, Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg appeared on Wednesday at a news conference just as he had in years when results were rosier. He rejected criticisms of the tests, calling the results “very good news” and chiding the news media for focusing on the decline.

Something is very very wrong with this picture.

33 posted on 08/08/2013 12:18:49 AM PDT by Cymbaline ("Allahu Akbar": Arabic for "Nothing To See Here" - Mark Steyn)
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To: willywill

Isn’t it interesting how most of the social pathologies benefit the Democrats? Women who are married and have kids vote Republican. Poor and ignorant people vote Democrat. People who are self-sufficient vote Republican. People who are dependent on the state vote Democrat.


34 posted on 08/08/2013 12:24:31 AM PDT by Cymbaline ("Allahu Akbar": Arabic for "Nothing To See Here" - Mark Steyn)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

The test given was not hard, the students are illiterate and the teachers are abysmal failures. The government has done a stellar job dumbing down an already lazy and unmotivated student body.

Buffalo, Rochester and Yonkers had the worst scores. This is an embarassment to the Empire State.

I passed every one of my state Regents tests with stellar scores. My parochial school was teaching far above what the public schools were teaching.

Congratulations Cuomo. You’re doing a wonderful job at destroying my state.


35 posted on 08/08/2013 3:36:23 AM PDT by NoKoolAidforMe (I'm clinging to my God and my guns. You can keep the change.)
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To: NoKoolAidforMe

bump


36 posted on 08/08/2013 3:50:46 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: SusaninOhio

A caution about AP classes: They are very liberal! If your grandchildren plan on taking them, after-school them very well and prepare them for logical argument. I was going to get my AP certification for US gov this summer, but that bladder infection I thought I had in January turned out to be little blessing #3 lol!


37 posted on 08/08/2013 5:33:42 AM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: Trailerpark Badass

Let me preface this post with this: I have never, nor will I ever, cheat on standardized exams. While it is illegal and I have too much to lose, it is morally wrong and I wouldn’t do it regardless of the law.

It is extremely easy to cheat on state exams, as well as AP exams and the SAT and the ACT. Many school systems have a cheating culture and the more successful students know on which side thier bread is buttered. Yes, the good kids who never get into trouble cheat! They aren’t talking. Superintendents and principals aren’t talking either. You see, the system is set up for cheating. If you’ve read Atlas Shrugged (my appologies for not knowing how to do italics), it’s similar to when Hank Rearden was told by a gov regulator that the gov expected people to break the laws. That is what the laws are for. Schools get less funding if scores are low, so everybody simply turns a blind eye.

Those Atlanta teachers made some enimies along they way to get caught like that. I suspect it was not out of the goodnesses of their hearts that other teachers squealed. I suspect they were simply jealous that they were not getting the bonuses that the cheating teachers were getting (which is why as a teacher I do not endorse merit pay). From what I’m hearing, there were many people quite happy to see the ring leader of that group do the perp walk.


38 posted on 08/08/2013 5:57:46 AM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: goodwithagun
"Many school systems have a cheating culture and the more successful students know on which side thier bread is buttered."

When I started out last fall as a first-year teacher, I found myself dealing constantly with student cheating, laziness, and social promotion. My sons, who are now both in college, advised me that the biggest cheaters are among the smartest and highest-level students. The lower-level students are just clumsy about it and get caught more often. Comparing my students in an inner city general bio class with those in a suburban AP Bio class, I would agree. The former students would get caught communicating in class or looking over at a neighbor's paper. The AP students cheated on their home assignments by looking up instructor keys online or by 'collaborating' on online assignments. I could tell from wording when some of the work was not original, and when I looked at the statistics on how long it took students to do the online work. I gave some zeroes, which shocked them.

Unfortunately, admin would not let us fail any of them, so even though many of my students failed tests, I had to give enough busy work on which they could 'earn' points and pass classes. This is in parochial school, so it's not just a public school phenomenon. It is a widespread problem, and it starts in the home. When students don't see a reason to work hard, learn, and go earn a living, it erodes their motivation in school. Why work so hard when you can coast, collect your piece of paper at the end, and go work in a do-nothing government job or go on welfare?

39 posted on 08/08/2013 7:44:45 AM PDT by Think free or die
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To: Think free or die

I spend more time prepping for my scholars’ classes than the others, and it’s because I have to combat the cheating that is so rampant. They hate me for it, and I’ve never been chosen to receive one of thier end of year awards at their special scholars’ breakfast. The teacher that always receives the most accolades is one that they cheat on quite frequently. She rarely reads an original research paper. The sad thing is that she thinks the scholars’ students hang the sun, the moon, and the stars. As an urban school teacher, I actually have a little more respect for the known drug dealers. They don’t try to hide what they are. I won’t let them use the restroom because I know they’re going to make a sale. I called a kid out on it last year. I rarely had problems with him after that. It’s almost like he gained a little respect for me. The scholars ask to use the restroom after quizzes and tests so that they can text the questions to thier friends next period. When I told them no and called them on it, my phone was ringing by the end of the day with parents demanding to know why I accused their precious babies of cheating.


40 posted on 08/08/2013 7:58:54 AM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: goodwithagun
"As an urban school teacher, I actually have a little more respect for the known drug dealers. They don’t try to hide what they are. I won’t let them use the restroom because I know they’re going to make a sale."

I completely understand. I had an agreement with our school disciplinarian that there were a handful of students who were not permitted out of my class under any circumstances. She actually wrote a list and asked me to put it on the bulletin board. It really ticked off the kids, but they were all involved in drugs or they were borderline kids getting sucked into it and we didn't want to give them any more opportunities. I also seized a lot of cell phones, but I have no illusions about catching it all. If they put half as much effort into learning as they do cheating, drugs, and socializing, most would be passing with honors.

41 posted on 08/08/2013 8:16:35 AM PDT by Think free or die
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

The sample math questions seem an odd combination of the easily guessed and needing to explain the obvious in terms of how they got there. Lots of easily guessed fractions.

But check out the sample English questions at the site. They are nothing but sample SAT questions, perhaps dumbed down a tad—because they are written for third to eighth graders!—but full with stupid nuance only about why one possibly correct answer is better than another possibly correct answer. (I just looked at the sample questions for the third and eighth graders, not for the grades in between.)

No, the kids aren’t all right and their level of educational attainment is often attrocious, but this test is a poor measure IMO of where grade school students should be in either subject. It’s scary that this is now what at least 45 states are trying to coach their children to master.


42 posted on 08/08/2013 8:29:39 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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