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Tesla sold 5,150 Model S EVs in Q2, future $35k model will have 200-mile range
autoblog.com ^ | August 7, 2013 | Sebastian Blanco

Posted on 08/07/2013 10:51:24 PM PDT by grundle

Finally, we know the number. Tesla Motors announced today that it sold 5,150 Model S electric vehicles in North America last quarter. Divide by three and you see that the California company sold around 1,700 cars a month, which puts it right up there with the current plug-in vehicle champions, the Nissan Leaf and the Chevy Volt. That's despite the fact that the cheapest Model S, which starts at $69,900 but often sells for a lot more with better options, costs at least twice as much as the sales leaders. Tesla said it was making "almost 500 vehicles per week" in the second quarter of this year.

The sales contributed to an overall increase in net income (non-GAAP) of 70 percent compared to the first quarter, up to $26 million. Tesla said it achieved a gross margin of 22 percent (non-GAAP), "despite significant reduction in ZEV credits" (which was no surprise) and should hit 25 percent by the fourth quarter of 2013. That number is simply a company's sales revenue with the cost of goods sold taken out, divided by total sales revenue. Put it all together and you get the following statement: "Our financial position and balance sheet have never been stronger." Still, there was no talk in today's conference call of an overall profitable quarter, as there was three months ago.

With all of the good financial news, Tesla and CEO Elon Musk said the primary focus now is on "expanding production to meet worldwide demand." Tesla started delivering the Model S to Europe this week (the first lucky countries were Norway, Switzerland and the Netherlands) and if demand there matches North America, which Musk said is likely, then the company predicts "annualized sales for Model S could exceed 40,000 units per year by late 2014."

Musk said the upcoming new-market Model S versions (right-hand-drive for Japan and the Chinese model) are taking up most of Tesla's resources at the current moment. In China, for example, the company is trying to improve the comfort level of the rear seat, because it is common for people in The People's Republic to be driven around. The Model S was designed to be the perfect driver's car, Musk said, but in China it will have an "executive back seat" instead of the "family back seat" the car has now. Things like this mean that work on the Model X won't really start to ramp up until the end of this year. Deliveries of that car should start at the end of 2014.

Looking further down the road, Musk said that the next-gen Tesla vehicle, the long-rumored $35,000 (without any subsidies) EV, should be a compelling option with a 200-mile range. That vehicle is still quite far away – he wondered aloud how his company might need more battery cells than the laptop industry does if it's making a half-million cars a year – but at least his automotive competition now has targets to shoot for if they want to beat Tesla in the longer-range EV game.


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1 posted on 08/07/2013 10:51:25 PM PDT by grundle
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To: grundle

They must’ve sold more than that.

I know of 5 or 6 here in my lil town of 50,000 and I pass em all day long on the freeway.

They were every where in Los Angeles, San Diego and even on the border a week ago.

Maybe they were following me?


2 posted on 08/07/2013 10:59:17 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: grundle

Any 15 year old POS used car that sells for less than two grand has a better range than that and can be re-fueled in minutes. My $100 30-year-old Mercedes has a better range than that. Please explain to me the upside of the Tesla vehicles.


3 posted on 08/07/2013 10:59:21 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I aim to raise a million plus for Gov. Palin. What'll you do?.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

My 22 year old specialized Hardrock mountain bike has better range than the Tesla (though, it’s doubtful I would be able to do that range at my current age).


4 posted on 08/07/2013 11:07:39 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier who has survived 24 months of Combat deployment.)
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To: SoldierDad

Why would I pay $70,000 for a golf cart? IMO very few automobiles are worth more than about $20,000.


5 posted on 08/07/2013 11:11:10 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I aim to raise a million plus for Gov. Palin. What'll you do?.)
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To: Vendome

I wouldn’t want to go on a cross country trip in one!!!


6 posted on 08/07/2013 11:11:28 PM PDT by tallyhoe
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The upside..probably none...

I fail to see reason for the hostility many folks calling themselves conservative have to EV’s.

If there is a market seems to me there should be no problem...personally I think the torque/weight ratio is going to make those suckers very very fast with a few modifications..

Cant wait to get mt hands on a used EV.

7 posted on 08/07/2013 11:16:56 PM PDT by montanajoe
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To: montanajoe

IIRC, you’ll get a big shock when you have to replace all those batteries. Some people who have hybrids have already found that out to their chagrin. When the price comes WAY down and the range goes WAY up I’ll research them again. BTW, speaking of “alternative energy” vehicles, have you seen the Honda Civic Natural Gas?

http://automobiles.honda.com/civic-natural-gas/


8 posted on 08/07/2013 11:20:49 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I aim to raise a million plus for Gov. Palin. What'll you do?.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’ve never purchased a new vehicle. IMO they are most all overpriced. I’ve never paid more than $11,000 for a used vehicle. Our Dodge Durango we paid $10,000 for. It had under 100k miles when I purchased it in 2005. Currently I have 247k+ miles on it. I plan to put another 100K on before replacing it. My last vehicle, a Plymouth Grand Voyager, which had 75k miles when we bought it, had 385k miles when we replaced it. We put over 200k miles on an 1988 Ford Taurus, and 200k+ on a 1983 Chrysler New Yorker 5th Ave (both had more than 300k miles total). We get our money’s worth out of our vehicles.


9 posted on 08/07/2013 11:21:12 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier who has survived 24 months of Combat deployment.)
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To: tallyhoe

A friend shared that three people he knew were test driving an EV. Their destination was 150 miles away. It took them three days to reach their destination.


10 posted on 08/07/2013 11:23:14 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier who has survived 24 months of Combat deployment.)
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To: montanajoe; 2ndDivisionVet
I fail to see reason for the hostility many folks calling themselves conservative have to EV’s.

Hostility towards the "concept" of an EV? No! Hostility towards those who have been touting EV's as a present day replacement for the internal combustion engine? Absolutely. Perhaps, and I stress perhaps, one day EV's will evolve into a viable mode of transportation. At the present time it is a local commuter, period. And, I mean local. My commute to work is two+ hours one way. An EV is worthless to me. Then there's the battery disposal and replacement problem. The batteries are not cheap, and neither is proper disposal. Additionally, those who make the false claim that EV's are a eco-friendly vehicle need to have the taste slapped out of their mouth. Where does the electricity come from that these vehicles require to be recharged with? It ain't from clean energy (whatever that means). EV's are purely a STATUS symbol. LOOK AT ME I HAVE A PRIUS; TESLA; whatever! I'll stick with my internal combustion vehicle which can take me up to 500 miles on a single tank of fuel, thank you. And, do so with very little in the way of emissions, too.

11 posted on 08/07/2013 11:32:19 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier who has survived 24 months of Combat deployment.)
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To: Vendome

200 miles is nothing in LA. I cover that in no time.


12 posted on 08/07/2013 11:35:24 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: tallyhoe

You will in the next version.


13 posted on 08/07/2013 11:41:09 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: SoldierDad

1st up you are paying for a top of the line luxury car. Even if you treat the electric motor as a novelty,the car is worth the price for the way it drives. From a national interest perspective I can’t wait for a day when all we run are electric cars that can be charged with a solar panel on your roof. That is the definition of individual freedom. Beggaring a host of countries that seek to murder non-Muslims is a huge added bonus. The subsidies are a sidelight and a sort of pinprick for a larger goal. Subordinating everything to the belly in the short term and helping dim witted jerks to kill us is the definition on a non-conservative.


14 posted on 08/07/2013 11:48:35 PM PDT by raj bhatia
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To: BunnySlippers

Not in rush hour traffic you don’t.


15 posted on 08/07/2013 11:54:16 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: Jonty30

Agreed. I don’t do “rush hours”.


16 posted on 08/07/2013 11:58:18 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: grundle

Beautiful car.

17 posted on 08/08/2013 12:08:02 AM PDT by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (If Americans were as concerned for their country as Egyptians are, Obama would be ousted!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Rich man’s toy/status symbol. I don’t think anyone is getting these to be a daily driver.


18 posted on 08/08/2013 12:09:33 AM PDT by Arthurio
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To: SoldierDad
An EV is not a viable option for me and most rural/suburban Americans but it is potentially very viable in the third world mega cities where a 500 mile range seems just as ridiculous looking from the other side of the glass.

BTW I don't want a hybrid I want a used pure EV to play with don't like the term but I'm an early adapter/pick er up er/what ever they call it/fiddler.

Your hostility argument seems to me to be argument without a distinction...but its like most conservative argument in that it is based on what will work in fly over country..

19 posted on 08/08/2013 12:10:08 AM PDT by montanajoe
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To: SoldierDad
"I fail to see reason for the hostility many folks calling themselves conservative have to EV’s."

How much damage to the environment does battery manufacture and electrical supply for electric cars cause? Much!

20 posted on 08/08/2013 12:13:22 AM PDT by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (If Americans were as concerned for their country as Egyptians are, Obama would be ousted!)
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To: SoldierDad
I have had all kinds of vehicles, Jags, and Mercedes, VW, Renault, Chevys, Mustangs, Fiat X1/9...nothing...NOTHING beats our 98 Durango. 2wd, 4wd, awd, solid as a rock 318 cu in engine. It can go anywhere in rain , snow, whatever.

It's coming up on 140k miles and going strong. Gas mileage is about the same as our Plymouth vans...at least on the highway. Around town 10 mpg, highway 22mpg. Not the best but I can haul or tow anything I need. Room for 7 and comfortable.

I can do most of the maintenance/repairs myself. Best of all it can cruise around nice and comfy but when I put my foot in it the tires smoke, you get pushed back in the seat and there is a HUGE smile on my face.

21 posted on 08/08/2013 12:33:02 AM PDT by prisoner6 ( FREEDOM!)
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To: montanajoe
My only hostility to them is my being forced to subsidize them because government bureaucrats think they know best no matter the economics. Even worse many of these manufactures are politically connected and get numerous guaranteed loans/preferential treatment.

At this point they are just mostly wealthy people's toys - that I get to help pay for... A bit like solar power. The well to do can dabble with solar power while the rest of us get to subsidize their feel good hobby. Without government intervention the economics of solar rarely makes any sense.

Regarding EV’s they are not ready for prime time - yet - but I do believe it's only a matter of time before they are. That it will be a bit like the CRT monitor/TV. When EV’s are truly better performers and cost less there will be a sudden and dramatic shift - and it will be the new normal.

22 posted on 08/08/2013 1:21:53 AM PDT by DB
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
Beautiful car.

Good grief. Looks like every other Japanese, Korean, German car.
23 posted on 08/08/2013 2:00:20 AM PDT by 867V309
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To: BunnySlippers

Bull Kuh Wrap.

Covering 3 miles, in LA, could take an afternoon... LOL


24 posted on 08/08/2013 2:12:42 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: tallyhoe
'I wouldn’t want to go on a cross country trip in one!!'

HEY I can tellya this....a lot of em little bugs don't make it EVEN across town...i had to peel four off the front bumper of my Towne Car just last week...and found two more rattlin around the left front wheel well at the same time. They're a nuisance...i'll say.

25 posted on 08/08/2013 2:18:34 AM PDT by jimsin
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
' have you seen the Honda Civic Natural Gas?'

ME? I'm partial to the integrity of all my limbs ...if i get into a crash somehow i think im better off surrounded by my big comfortable Towne Car. I don't want to end up in traction at the hospital...thinkin ...'boy howdy did i save a boatload of gas money only to end up here after gettin into the argument with that big Ford..now, sadly all that gas money i saved is gonna go to cover the co pay at some PT shop.' Plus down the road i got something else to look forward to. ARTHRITIES which has a nasty, nasty habit of moving into any trauma site and showing up there as a nazty nazty surprise in the future....all in all it's best to stick with the big safe AMERICAN automotive style of travel. There ya have it.... some nice conservative common sense young grasshoppahs. Heed n learn. (IT'S worse than you thought check out these brand new small car safety test results, UGH.)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/08/small-car-crash-test_n_3722845.html



YODA SEZ:



BIG SAFE COMFORTABLE AMERICAN CARS, BETTER THEY ARE!

26 posted on 08/08/2013 2:48:27 AM PDT by jimsin
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To: montanajoe

“I fail to see reason for the hostility many folks calling themselves conservative have to EV’s.”

I don’t think the hostility is towards EV’s, at least by me it’s not. My hostility is towards those who write laws and policies giving buyers of these vehicles large subsidies and tax credits. And, conversely, don’t require these vehicles to pay their fair share of road taxes as they currently zero road taxes. So, the good old tax payer, the few of us there are remaining, are paying a hefty tab to prop up these EV’s. I’m ok with these cars if they can successfully compete on their own merit in the market place. But, not ok if I have to pay hefty taxes and subsidies for them to exist. So,hope you now “see the reason”. :)


27 posted on 08/08/2013 3:24:21 AM PDT by snoringbear (E.oGovernment is the Pimp,)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
Beautiful car.

Yes it is, got to see one up close the other day. The more I read about battery technologies, the more it looks like the energy density increases are not in lock step with "Moores Law" i.e. chip speed and capabilities doubling every 18 months.

With that said, as a fan of the Wankel Engine ( yes I know their are bazillion detractors and comments ) I'd love to see something like this powered by a Rotary on CNG, especially if that is a range extender to an electric drivetrain.

As I type this, their is a gent in California getting a 3 Rotor Mazda ready to go to the dyno that is connected to a "Turbo-Compound" unit. This TC recovery device captures the waste energy of the exhaust and sends it back into the main shaft if you will. This unit might reduce the specific fuel consumption enough to make the Rotary viable again.... Stay Tuned...

28 posted on 08/08/2013 3:25:14 AM PDT by taildragger (The E-GOP won't know what hit them, The Party of Reagan is almost here, hang tight folks....)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Any 15 year old POS used car that sells for less than two grand has a better range than that and can be re-fueled in minutes. My $100 30-year-old Mercedes has a better range than that. Please explain to me the upside of the Tesla vehicles.

I don't get it either. A 200 mile range, needs to be recharged at a finite number of recharging stations (what happens if there are 5 people in front of you?), and what happens if the cord is accidentally bumped and the overnight charging is stopped?

No thanks. I wouldn't drive one if it was given to me.
29 posted on 08/08/2013 4:27:16 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: montanajoe
I fail to see reason for the hostility many folks calling themselves conservative have to EV’s.

How about the fact that they are using my tax dollars to push it?
30 posted on 08/08/2013 4:28:18 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
How much damage to the environment does battery manufacture and electrical supply for electric cars cause? Much!

Someone needs to tell a Tesla owner that their car is COAL powered. Where do they think the power comes from when they plug it in?
31 posted on 08/08/2013 4:31:02 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: raj bhatia

You do know that we could be energy self sufficient within 10 years if the govt only got out of the way with all of the new technologies being used in ND and the like?


32 posted on 08/08/2013 4:33:08 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: grundle

At one time the “future” volt was going to have a 120 mile range... now it is more like 18 miles with 40 miles claimed.


33 posted on 08/08/2013 4:44:50 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: Vendome
"You will [be able to drive a cross country trip] in the next version."

That's been the mantra of the EV ever since Edison sold the first one more than a century ago. It hasn't happened yet. The problem is battery technology. There simply are no batteries on the horizon with the energy storage capacity and refill rate of a gas tank.

Think of your last battery powered electric drill motor. A drill motor with two batteries costs less than two replacement batteries. And the batteries go bad in a couple of years.

34 posted on 08/08/2013 5:03:23 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
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To: LibLieSlayer

If I were a wealthy car collector I would buy one or two Volts to store under a tarp in some warehouse or garage. Sure, it’s a colossal flop but so was the Edsel. Well preserved Edsels can fetch a pretty penny at auction.


35 posted on 08/08/2013 5:04:04 AM PDT by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: grundle

I saw my first Tesla Model S yesterday in Frisco, TX. Beautiful car. At $60k for the cheapest model and over $90k for the model you actually want, it had better be really, really beautiful.


36 posted on 08/08/2013 5:46:30 AM PDT by DesertSapper (Becoming more libertarian by the day)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
you’ll get a big shock when you have to replace all those batteries

Per the Tesla Motors website:
We have received many requests for a Battery Replacement Option. We are happy to now offer this option for all three battery variants. This option will provide you a new battery anytime after the end of the eighth year at a fixed price. Prices are as follows: $8,000 for the 40 kWh battery, $10,000 for the 60 kWh battery, and $12,000 for the 85 kWh battery.

&$^#%!! That's going to hurt!

37 posted on 08/08/2013 6:01:27 AM PDT by DesertSapper (Becoming more libertarian by the day)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Golf cart?

38 posted on 08/08/2013 6:32:25 AM PDT by green iguana
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To: Orangedog

IF we have a society left by then... our future is extremely that uncertain and now Egypt stand on the cusp of anarchy and if the Suez Canal closes... 80% of the worlds oil flows through it... storm clouds forming!


39 posted on 08/08/2013 6:36:31 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

Indeed beautiful car. With a Lexus engine inside would be priceless.


40 posted on 08/08/2013 6:51:46 AM PDT by QQQQ
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To: norwaypinesavage

I agree with your premise, however, Tesla has come up with a novel idea that destroys battery’s primary energy source.

Imagine, a vehicle that can 200 miles and pull into a “recharging station”....

Said station can remove the installed battery pack of a vehicle and press into the chasis a new energy pack, that delivers up to 200 more miles of travel.

If you’d like I can provide links that support.


41 posted on 08/08/2013 8:17:32 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: QQQQ

LOL!!!!


42 posted on 08/08/2013 9:50:12 AM PDT by Lexinom
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

How many illegals can California stuff in a Tesla, is the efficiency question now in this lala land.


43 posted on 08/08/2013 10:05:17 AM PDT by lavaroise
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To: DesertSapper

The funny part that the Tesla may go out of business in ,lets say, 7 years...


44 posted on 08/08/2013 10:53:49 AM PDT by QQQQ
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To: taildragger

Ohhh...NSU RO 80 wankel engine...good old times...:-(


45 posted on 08/08/2013 10:59:54 AM PDT by QQQQ
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To: Vendome

You will in the next version.

You couldn’t catch me dead in one these pieces of feces!!!


46 posted on 08/08/2013 3:50:55 PM PDT by tallyhoe
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To: SoldierDad

Why not enough solar power? Ran out of gas? Probably broke down!!!


47 posted on 08/08/2013 3:51:57 PM PDT by tallyhoe
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To: prisoner6

My ‘99 Durango has the 5.9 liter V8 (360 cu in). My economy isn’t a good as yours, but I’m able to tow quite a lot. The power is there when I need to move quickly. I think I already mentioned it is at 247,000+ miles.


48 posted on 08/08/2013 7:09:47 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier who has survived 24 months of Combat deployment.)
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To: tallyhoe

There wasn’t a solar recharge on the vehicle - strictly a battery powered EV that requires a recharge station, of which there were none.


49 posted on 08/08/2013 7:12:24 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier who has survived 24 months of Combat deployment.)
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To: SoldierDad

There wasn’t a solar recharge on the vehicle - strictly a battery powered EV that requires a recharge station, of which there were none. Yea I know I was just funin!!!


50 posted on 08/08/2013 11:13:28 PM PDT by tallyhoe
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