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Colorado renters told to toss guns or move out
The Washington Times ^ | August 7, 2013 | Cheryl K. Chumle

Posted on 08/08/2013 10:08:33 AM PDT by yoe

Renters at an apartment community just south of Denver are between a rock and a hard place, ordered by their landlord to either get rid of their weapons or move out.

The manager at Oakwood Apartments in Castle Rock, Colo., sent a notice to renters last week advising them of the new rule banning all “firearms and weapons” from the premises, a local news station reported.

Residents have until Oct. 1 to comply. The rule has one worried — and outraged.

Art Dorsch, 77, a Marine Corps veteran and avid hunter with a concealed carry permit, said he lives on a fixed income and can’t afford to move. But he said managers gave him three options: willingly remove the guns and stay, keep the guns and move, or keep the guns and wait to be forced to leave.

“It upsets me very much,” he told the station. “They want to take them all away from me. They say I can’t live here.”

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; US: Colorado
KEYWORDS: artdorsch; banglist; castlerock; colorado; guncontrol; oakwoodapartments; secondamendment
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Probably not legal if not in the rental contract...maybe not legal period. Who owns the complex and property?
1 posted on 08/08/2013 10:08:33 AM PDT by yoe
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To: yoe

Private property and all that.


2 posted on 08/08/2013 10:10:01 AM PDT by TomServo
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To: yoe

Been updated. Policy has been canceled because the propery management was overruled by the property owners.


3 posted on 08/08/2013 10:11:27 AM PDT by Godzilla (3/7/77)
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To: TomServo

Federally subsidized apartment complex. Management has backed down when challenged on this.


4 posted on 08/08/2013 10:11:40 AM PDT by rstrahan
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To: rstrahan

Cool - I stand corrected.


5 posted on 08/08/2013 10:13:06 AM PDT by TomServo
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To: yoe

Back-Door violations of the USCON are becoming more routine AND more accepted by a weenie-populace.

When children are suspended for pointing a finger or piece of gun-shaped bread, you know the anti-2A propaganda is “kinda catapulted” in the right direction.


6 posted on 08/08/2013 10:13:13 AM PDT by USS Johnston (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. ~ Edmund Burke)
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To: yoe

This article is outdated. There’s been news out today that the idiots realized they were wrong and they CAN’T ban guns.

(That Constitution is sure a pesky thing, huh?)


7 posted on 08/08/2013 10:14:06 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Godzilla
Been updated. Policy has been canceled because the propery management was overruled by the property owners.

Mission Accomplished, damage done....To the psyches of wimpish, brow-beaten Americans.

This is part of a PsyOps brainwashing campaign.

8 posted on 08/08/2013 10:15:36 AM PDT by USS Johnston (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. ~ Edmund Burke)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Got a link?


9 posted on 08/08/2013 10:15:45 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: yoe

I saw an update on assbook that said they changed their tune and he will be able to keep them.


10 posted on 08/08/2013 10:16:14 AM PDT by TheRhinelander
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To: yoe

Colorado needs to succeed from Denver!


11 posted on 08/08/2013 10:16:48 AM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: yoe

http://www.9news.com/rss/story.aspx?storyid=349123

It seems Colorado isn’t taking as well to the socialist class as had been expected.


12 posted on 08/08/2013 10:17:58 AM PDT by Steamburg (The contents of your wallet is the only language Politicians understand.)
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To: yoe
I have a problem with both sides of the argument. First the renter's rights as per constitution but also secondly the right of the owner to control his property as per his/her standards eg Bed and Breakfast owners rightfully refuse to permit gay couples to use their facility on religious grounds. A conundrum indeed.
13 posted on 08/08/2013 10:19:11 AM PDT by Cyman
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To: yoe

I’m thinking some folks that live there might end up having a boat accident soon.

(Inside FReeper reference for those who are stumped)


14 posted on 08/08/2013 10:19:31 AM PDT by Tenacious 1 (Waiting for next tagline.)
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To: yoe; All

http://www.9news.com/rss/story.aspx?storyid=349123


15 posted on 08/08/2013 10:22:21 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: Cyman

“secondly the right of the owner to control his property as per his/her standards’

I would think legally you have to look at the context of the service provided by a property owner. Ban pets, smoking, loud music - yes. Are guns in that realm?


16 posted on 08/08/2013 10:23:43 AM PDT by Rennes Templar (Mr. President, can you hear a special prosecutor now?)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

Sorry. I went looking for it. Naturally all the alphabet networks ae still schilling the lies.

It takes a local site to report the truth.

http://www.9news.com/news/article/349123/339/Apartments-firearm-policy-thrown-out

Castle Rock apartment’s controversial policy banning firearms is thrown out

CASTLE ROCK - A controversial gun policy at an apartment complex for seniors has been thrown out after a 9Wants to Know report.

The Douglas County Housing Partnership, a multi-jurisdictional housing authority, held an emergency board of directors meeting late Wednesday afternoon.

Board members decided that the policy, which would have prohibited residents from having firearms in their homes, will not go into effect.

The Douglas County Housing partnership owns Oakwood Apartments in Castle Rock. It was purchased with federal funds and is supported by local, state, and federal tax dollars.

more....


17 posted on 08/08/2013 10:25:35 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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One (CO local) story update, for example: http://www.9news.com/news/article/349123/339/Apartments-firearm-policy-thrown-out


18 posted on 08/08/2013 10:26:21 AM PDT by Notthemomma
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To: Cyman

Not really a problem. The right of the property owner is important, however, the limitations cannot be made after the fact.

I would not have a problem if they said “no guns allowed”, or “no gays allowed” as an understanding before the signing of a contract.

But to move someone in and then make up a new rule is ridiculous. Just common sense.


19 posted on 08/08/2013 10:28:45 AM PDT by bobo1 (the KDE plasma desktop is awesome!)
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To: rstrahan
Federally subsidized apartment complex.

As in Low Income??
My son lives in Castle Rock and I've never seen any low income/depressed area there. Don't know the area intimately though. Beautiful, and expensive.

20 posted on 08/08/2013 10:29:46 AM PDT by Vinnie
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To: yoe
Typical backwards ideology. In another example, I patronized an antique store recently. There was a large "No Weapons Allowed" sign posted at the entrance along with signs warning not to steal anything and perps will be prosecuted and all that. I had to ask the manager, "Is that sign applicable to folks that have a CCW license?" She said it was NOT. "It's to deter criminals."

Huh? I chuckled and asked her how many criminals she thought would ignore the law and all the other signs they had posted but think twice about the sign that said weapons were not allowed. She just shrugged.

21 posted on 08/08/2013 10:30:04 AM PDT by Tenacious 1 (Waiting for next tagline.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

They were about to get sued halfway to Hell and back!


22 posted on 08/08/2013 10:31:35 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: yoe

I was at a business the other day and they had what looked like a valid 30.06, no guns sign by the front door. As I was leaving, I noticed on their upcoming events board, CHL classes room # 8, or something like that. Top Golf in Allen TX.


23 posted on 08/08/2013 10:32:19 AM PDT by showme_the_Glory (ILLEGAL: prohibited by law. ALIEN: Owing political allegiance to another country or government)
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To: Cyman
First the renter's rights as per constitution but also secondly the right of the owner to control his property as per his/her standards

The law (as I know it) takes residency much differently, especially where there is a contract in place. For instance, if a couple cohabits an apartment for a certain length of time, regardless of whose name is on the lease, they have to have one or the other "evicted" legally should they decide not to live together anymore and want to contend who should leave. Same goes for squatters.

A homeless person moves into an abandon house cannot be forced to leave unless it can be proved they forced entry. Sounds easy right? Not so fast. If the bum says the door was already opened and they didn't break in, it starts to get sticky, especially if the house has been abandon for some time.

24 posted on 08/08/2013 10:35:13 AM PDT by Tenacious 1 (Waiting for next tagline.)
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To: yoe

This is a great idea because intruders, rapists and murderers will be required to leave their firearms outside.


25 posted on 08/08/2013 10:37:00 AM PDT by BinaryBoy (Socialism is built on slavery.)
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To: Rennes Templar

Private property is private property. In any free society (which we don’t have) I should be able to ban you from my property because your eyelashes are 2 shades darker than I like, or because you admitted to at one time having thought about the stock price of Goodyear Tire and Rubber, or because I was visited in a dream by Xyzalindru who told me to ban you. The only relevant question at this point is what’s in the rental contract.


26 posted on 08/08/2013 10:37:37 AM PDT by Doctor 2Brains
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To: yoe

That is no more legal than banning blacks or Jews would be.


27 posted on 08/08/2013 10:39:36 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: Cyman
I have a problem with both sides of the argument. First the renter's rights as per constitution but also secondly the right of the owner to control his property as per his/her standards eg Bed and Breakfast owners rightfully refuse to permit gay couples to use their facility on religious grounds. A conundrum indeed.

Here's the solution, unless it was stipulated in the lease agreement, then no go. If it was, no issue. Changing the rules mid-lease is akin to violating the lease agreement.

28 posted on 08/08/2013 10:44:08 AM PDT by IYAS9YAS (Has anyone seen my tagline? It was here yesterday. I seem to have misplaced it.)
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To: yoe

How would they know you have any weapons that didn’t survive your being swamped when your boat was overcome with crazy sick waves?


29 posted on 08/08/2013 10:48:15 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: yoe
Colorado: Castle Rock apartment's controversial policy banning firearms is thrown out
30 posted on 08/08/2013 10:48:23 AM PDT by NonValueAdded ("When there is no penalty for failure, failures proliferate." George F. Will)
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To: IYAS9YAS

I don’t even think it would be legal to put in a lease.

Would it be legal to put...no black guests... in a lease?

No difference.


31 posted on 08/08/2013 10:49:36 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: mountainlion

They need to succeed?

Would that they secede.


32 posted on 08/08/2013 10:49:45 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: USS Johnston

This has been a blow to the anti-gunners, and a BIG plus for those of us who live in the vicinity, and especially the renters.

This kind of stuff should happen each and every week, ‘cuz we usually win.


33 posted on 08/08/2013 10:52:12 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (When America falls, darkness will cover the face of the earth for a thousand years.)
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To: Vinnie

section 8 housing it’s called


34 posted on 08/08/2013 10:57:50 AM PDT by markman46 (engage brain before using keyboard!!!)
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To: yoe
Good news:

Colorado: Castle Rock apartment's controversial policy banning firearms is thrown out

35 posted on 08/08/2013 11:00:08 AM PDT by Half Vast Conspiracy (People in America are still tried in the courts rather than by left-wing protesters or by the media.)
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To: yoe

Sounds like this property manager needs a nice squirt of skunk scent in is air handler. Perhaps some doe urine on his doormat.


36 posted on 08/08/2013 11:01:38 AM PDT by IamConservative (The soul of my lifes journey is Liberty!)
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To: Steamburg
Interesting tidbit at the end of the article:

The company's owner, Debi Ross, and her husband have given $9,000, only to Democrats, since 2006.
37 posted on 08/08/2013 11:03:26 AM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media.)
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To: Doctor 2Brains

In this case, it wasn’t private property. It was a private management firm hired by the government agency that owns the apartments. That agency has now overturned the private management company’s rule. It should be noted the owner of the private management company has donated money only to Democrats...


38 posted on 08/08/2013 11:03:58 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (Liberals are like locusts...)
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To: Mr Rogers

Ahhh, that changes things consideralby. I stand corrected.


39 posted on 08/08/2013 11:09:19 AM PDT by Doctor 2Brains
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“The Douglas County Housing partnership owns Oakwood Apartments in Castle Rock. It was purchased with federal funds and is supported by local, state, and federal tax dollars.”
So much for the idea that it is private property. Taxpayer dollars subsidize it every year.


40 posted on 08/08/2013 11:11:59 AM PDT by roadcat
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To: yoe

If you really believe in the benefits of gun ownership, wouldn’t you be happy to move from this future gun free zone? I would expect breaking and entering and other such crimes to jump after the owner publicly disarms the people oops now victims in waiting living there.


41 posted on 08/08/2013 11:13:32 AM PDT by JLS
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To: Cyman

If it’s ‘federally rent controlled’, then it’s not legal for them to ban guns.


42 posted on 08/08/2013 11:22:32 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge ("we are pilgrims in an unholy land")
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To: TomServo

Why would anybody give the management their gun info anyway? It’s none of their damned business.


43 posted on 08/08/2013 11:22:52 AM PDT by beelzepug (if any alphabets are watchin', I'll be coming home right after the meetin')
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To: yoe

Someone should sue them, and become the owner of that rental property!


44 posted on 08/08/2013 11:23:53 AM PDT by Yosemitest
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Since the apartment complex is government owned the State exemption law for guns trumps this rule.


45 posted on 08/08/2013 11:31:12 AM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: Doctor 2Brains

“Private property is private property. “

Except this isn’t private property, it is government owned.


46 posted on 08/08/2013 11:32:07 AM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: Doctor 2Brains

and a contract is a contract and a contitutional right is s constitutional right. I am a landlord btw. If I can’t discriminate against someone who is black, mexican, Jewish, Muslim, a single unwed mother, or a homosexual, I damn sure shouldn’t be able to discriminate against a law abiding firearm owner and surely would not.


47 posted on 08/08/2013 11:34:29 AM PDT by RC one
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To: Balding_Eagle
This has been a blow to the anti-gunners, and a BIG plus for those of us who live in the vicinity, and especially the renters.

This kind of stuff should happen each and every week, ‘cuz we usually win.

Despite the victories, this constant BS attacks against the 2A still chips away at the foundation, bullet after bullet (pun intended).

48 posted on 08/08/2013 11:35:53 AM PDT by USS Johnston (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. ~ Edmund Burke)
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To: USS Johnston

The map at the top of this thread may put your mind at ease a bit: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3052461/posts


49 posted on 08/08/2013 11:38:43 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (When America falls, darkness will cover the face of the earth for a thousand years.)
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To: Doctor 2Brains

The tenants overruled the owner, so I would presume there are no precedents for gun bans in housing rental contracts, ostensibly for the reason I stated.


50 posted on 08/08/2013 11:46:27 AM PDT by Rennes Templar (Mr. President, can you hear a special prosecutor now?)
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