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Colorado’s Gun-Control Recall: The Canary in the Coal Mine for Reformers?
The Atlantic ^ | August 7, 2013 | Joshua Spivak

Posted on 08/08/2013 3:07:07 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued

After nearly two decades of continual victories in state legislatures, gun-rights proponents have suddenly hit some turbulence. Despite paralysis on the issue in Washington, mass shootings in Aurora, Colorado, Sandy Hook, Connecticut, and elsewhere have led five states to tighten their gun laws.

Four of those states are liberal bastions, but the fifth is the formerly red state of Colorado, home of not only Aurora but also the Columbine massacre. Unsurprisingly, the Centennial State is also where the gun lobby is looking to make a statement in return – with recalls set to take place September 10 against two state legislators, including term-limited state Senate President John Morse, a Democrat.

From a legislative standpoint, these recalls wouldn’t have much practical effect. Even if both are successful, Democrats will retain control of the Senate. Furthermore, Democrats hold both the governor’s office and the lower house of the state legislature, so gun-control policy is unlikely to change post-recall. This is more a symbolic recall. Proponents hope it will have national implications, scaring other officials in swing districts throughout the country away from gun measures. In fact, this won’t be the first time gun-rights proponents have used this playbook -- we saw a near-carbon copy back in 1994. The aftermath of that recall two decades ago might show just what the gun-rights community can hope to accomplish.

In 1993 and 1994, Democrats passed a number of gun-control laws both at the federal and state level. The new laws were an issue in races throughout the country in November 1994 when Republicans swept the House and Senate, as well as many state-level races.

(Excerpt) Read more at theatlantic.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Politics/Elections; US: Colorado
KEYWORDS: banglist; colorado; giron; guncontrol; herpin; morse; rivera; secondamendment

1 posted on 08/08/2013 3:07:07 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued
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To: fieldmarshaldj; AuH2ORepublican; Impy; GOPsterinMA; randita; Sun; LdSentinal; ExTexasRedhead; ...

I hope that both Morse and Giron are recalled by landslide margins and that it is a harbinger of things to come. The country is in danger.


2 posted on 08/08/2013 3:08:32 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Muslims are a people of tolerance, life,and peace, and if you don't agree, they'll murder you)
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To: Clintonfatigued

We’ll see how the recall elections go.


3 posted on 08/08/2013 3:12:03 PM PDT by Yo-Yo
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To: Clintonfatigued

Colorado Freepers, please let the rest of us know how the recall is going. Sending a pro Second Amendment message to your legislature & governor is important, not just for your state, but the other 49. If the recall falters, the socialist liberals will rejoice and go into the 2014 elections strong.


4 posted on 08/08/2013 3:20:02 PM PDT by RicocheT (Where neither their property nor their honor is touched, most men live content, Niccolo Machiavelli)
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To: RicocheT
Colorado Freepers, please let the rest of us know how the recall is going.

There will be a landslide victory except for one big problem. The gun laws this year got a lot of press coverage. One most know nothing about is an election law. If a person claims to be moving into a new to them district they can vote in one election in that district.

We fear that busloads of Denver/Boulder democrats will descend on Colorado Springs and Pueblo to vote for the rats.

5 posted on 08/08/2013 4:03:01 PM PDT by SpeakerToAnimals (I hope to earn a name in battle)
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To: SpeakerToAnimals

YIKES!

I predicted a decisive win for the Republicans, and that still holds, with the exception that you noted.

Can you expound on that a bit?

Do the new voters have to show some proof of residency? If so, they are going to meet a lot of resistance, as those are fairly small district, and fraud will be easily spotted.


6 posted on 08/08/2013 4:47:29 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (When America falls, darkness will cover the face of the earth for a thousand years.)
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To: Clintonfatigued

“After nearly two decades of continual victories in state legislatures”

This map put the lie to that statement, but let them believe what they will.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3052461/posts


7 posted on 08/08/2013 4:49:29 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (When America falls, darkness will cover the face of the earth for a thousand years.)
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To: Clintonfatigued

Hmm...I wonder if somebody is looking at some internal polls. “It won’t make any difference anyway” is not the position of someone who expects to win.


8 posted on 08/08/2013 4:51:33 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: SpeakerToAnimals

Sorry everyone, forgot to check the signup date.


9 posted on 08/08/2013 4:56:46 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (When America falls, darkness will cover the face of the earth for a thousand years.)
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To: Clintonfatigued

Interesting recall ballot—both sides allowed to make a statement on the ballot. Pro-recall statement is well thought out, anti-recall statement is pure emotion.

http://coloradoindependent.com/129025/morse-recall-election-details-emerge


10 posted on 08/08/2013 4:57:57 PM PDT by Atlantan
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To: Clintonfatigued; george76
I hope that both Morse and Giron are recalled by landslide margins and that it is a harbinger of things to come.

You and me both, FRiend.
Ping, George76.
11 posted on 08/08/2013 5:03:55 PM PDT by RandallFlagg (IRS = Internal Revenge Service)
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To: SpeakerToAnimals

Hmmm...”In fact, the special election will be the first in the state governed by new laws that, among other things, require clerks to send ballots by mail to every eligible voter.”

Doesn’t sound like a responsible voting plan to me. But then, I like the idea of living people casting votes...kind of old fashioned that way.


12 posted on 08/08/2013 5:11:36 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (Liberals are like locusts...)
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To: Balding_Eagle

I am going from memory. KLZ 560AM in Denver Covered this. You are right about Pueblo. We will see if 130% of registered voters show up. That is how much they will have to cheat to beat the angry masses. There are lots of gun owners in Pueblo.


13 posted on 08/08/2013 6:22:30 PM PDT by SpeakerToAnimals (I hope to earn a name in battle)
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To: Balding_Eagle
Actually, that map proves that the statement is correct. Read it again:

"After nearly two decades of continual victories in state legislatures, gun-rights proponents have suddenly hit some turbulence."

14 posted on 08/08/2013 6:40:12 PM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what makes you think that he'll defend your rights?)
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To: Clintonfatigued
Four of those states are liberal bastions, but the fifth is the formerly red state of Colorado, home of not only Aurora but also the Columbine massacre.

How deliberately we forget. Colorado is also the home of Jeanne Assam a former police officer and concealed-carry permit holder who shot an attempted mass murderer while guarding her church.

15 posted on 08/08/2013 9:24:48 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (Islam offers choices: convert, submit, or die.)
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To: Clintonfatigued; fieldmarshaldj; BillyBoy; AuH2ORepublican

Much more important are the 2014 elections in the state when half the Senate and all of the House will be up along with the Governorship.

I’m not crazy about recalls, they are an invention of the progressives.

I’m not so sure about Giron’s seat but Morse’s should be held by a Republican.


16 posted on 08/08/2013 11:27:46 PM PDT by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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To: RicocheT

Saw a Giron ad on the tube today. Haven’t seen anything yet from her opponent. The Morse/Herpin race is well publicized here in the Springs, and I have yet to speak with anyone who is keen on keeping Morse. Ballots are to be mailed out on Monday. Keep your fingers crossed and send an extra $20 to the NRA this month.


17 posted on 08/08/2013 11:31:41 PM PDT by Benito Cereno
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To: Impy; Clintonfatigued; fieldmarshaldj; BillyBoy

I hate the concept of recall elections (if the term is four years, it should be four years, barring impeachment for crimes), and wish that all of those states who fell for that Progressive bunkum a century ago struck it from their constitutions. But as long as the law is in the books, I am all for using it to get rid of liberal RATs; they certainly have no qualms about using it to try to get rid of Republicans.


18 posted on 08/09/2013 5:21:31 AM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what makes you think that he'll defend your rights?)
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To: Impy; AuH2ORepublican; BillyBoy; Clintonfatigued

Pueblo County is going to be difficult, that’s been a Dem stronghold for a long time, part of a cluster of Hispanic counties into northern NM. It last voted Republican for President in 1972 (even Denver went Republican in 1980) and consistently voted against GOP Senate & House incumbents, nevermind legislative ones. Even if the recall is won, it may go back to the Dems in ‘14.


19 posted on 08/09/2013 5:47:31 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: fieldmarshaldj; AuH2ORepublican; BillyBoy; Clintonfatigued

Yeah I checked out both districts on our campaigns.

Under previous lines (I don’t know how much they differ) in the good (well not all that good in CO) year of 2010, for what was an open seat, Giron (facing a Republican with a Spanish name) won by only 10 points in what I would have thought would be a safe rat seat. Her predecessor was unopposed in 2006 and won a landslide in 2002 over a Republican with an English name.

Morse crushed a Republican incumbent (who had narrowly won in 2002 with a Libertarian taking 9%) in 2006 and was narrowly reelected in 2010, with a filthy Libertarian taking more than the difference. His district is Colorado Springs.

Both seats are up in 2014, why not try to recall Senators that aren’t up till 2016 instead? Morse is the President but his removal would just be for one year and he’s term limited. It says these are first legislative recalls in State history. I don’t know how it works it’s like Cali or like Wisconsin but I hope we a candidate with the right kind of name in Giron’s district.


20 posted on 08/09/2013 6:11:00 AM PDT by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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To: Impy; fieldmarshaldj; BillyBoy; Clintonfatigued

“Both seats are up in 2014, why not try to recall Senators that aren’t up till 2016 instead?”


I assume that if they could, they would, so, using inductive reasoning, I will posit that the Colorado state constitution’s recall provisions are similar to the recall provisions in the Wisconsin state constitution in that they do not allow an officer who has served less than one full year of the term to be recalled. If you recall (HA!), WI Democrats first tried to recall WI Senators who were in the third year of their term, and it wasn’t until the next year that they could try to recall Governor Walker and the Senators that had been elected in 2010.


21 posted on 08/09/2013 6:26:51 AM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what makes you think that he'll defend your rights?)
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To: AuH2ORepublican

Makes sense.

This thread has gotten very punny!


22 posted on 08/09/2013 6:34:57 AM PDT by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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To: Clintonfatigued

So why is the Liberaltarian Party trying to stop the recall??

http://www.gopusa.com/news/2013/08/09/co-libertarian-party-tries-to-stop-gun-control-recall-elections/?subscriber=1


23 posted on 08/09/2013 1:06:56 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: AuH2ORepublican; Impy; fieldmarshaldj; BillyBoy

I support the right to recall, since politicians can’t be trusted to safeguard their own ethics. At the same time, they should require far more signatures and should be conducted for more reasons than mere policy disagreements, like ethics violations or blatantly lying to win reelection.

Sometimes, recall elections can backfire and benefit the incumbent, as was the case with Scott Walker.


24 posted on 08/10/2013 9:07:42 AM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Muslims are a people of tolerance, life,and peace, and if you don't agree, they'll murder you)
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To: GeronL; bamahead; traviskicks; fieldmarshaldj; AuH2ORepublican; Impy; GOPsterinMA; randita

“So why is the Liberaltarian Party trying to stop the recall??”

I have no idea. I’m becoming increasingly libertarian in my outlook and this stance makes no sense to me. Perhaps theree are bad elements in the Colorado Libertarian Party.


25 posted on 08/10/2013 9:13:51 AM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Muslims are a people of tolerance, life,and peace, and if you don't agree, they'll murder you)
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To: GeronL; Clintonfatigued

It says they want ballot access.

They take more votes from the GOP so that would not be good.


26 posted on 08/10/2013 10:45:40 AM PDT by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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To: Clintonfatigued; AuH2ORepublican; fieldmarshaldj

The WI recall temporarily cost us control of the State Senate so I would hardly call it beneficial.


27 posted on 08/10/2013 10:46:49 AM PDT by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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To: Clintonfatigued; GeronL
“So why is the Liberaltarian Party trying to stop the recall??”

Because I suppose the Colorado Libertarian Party feels there were some illegal shenanigans used to keep their candidates off any recall ballot...

Colorado recall ballots go out as Libertarian Party tries to halt the process

According to the lawsuit, a Libertarian candidate in each district was denied access to the ballot because they missed the 10-day deadline in state statute to submit their petition to get on the ballot after the governor set an election day in July.

The state Constitution allows candidates 15 days to file their petition to get on the ballot.

"It is clear that this hasty rule by the Secretary of State conflicts with the Constitution, and we have filed suit to ensure that we have the full time granted by the people of Colorado," said Libertarian Party State Chairman Jeff Orrok in a prepared statement. "We oppose any attempt by the legislative or executive branches to deny our candidates, our members, and the voters of Districts 3 and 11 their fundamental rights and the ability to choose the best replacements for these overreaching senators."

Joining in the suit are the two would-be Libertarian candidates, Gordon Butt of Colorado Springs and Richard Anglund of Pueblo.

28 posted on 08/11/2013 11:40:07 AM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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