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The Nudge Debate (liberal paternalism)
NYTimes ^ | 8 August 2013 | David Brooks

Posted on 08/08/2013 9:39:15 PM PDT by rey

excerpt: In 2009, Richard H. Thaler and Cass R. Sunstein published a book, called “Nudge,” on how government and other organizations could induce people to avoid common errors. Last year, Sunstein gave the Storrs Lectures at Yale on the topic, which will soon be published as a book called “Nanny Statecraft.” Last month, the Obama administration announced that it is creating a new team to explore applications of this sort of empirical research to policy-making.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: brooks; casssunstein; debate; nannystate; nannystatecraft; nudge; paternalism; sunstein; suntein
Mind boggling.
1 posted on 08/08/2013 9:39:16 PM PDT by rey
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To: rey

So propaganda is okay.


2 posted on 08/08/2013 9:43:57 PM PDT by Tzimisce (The American Revolution began when the British attempted to disarm the Colonists.)
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To: rey

Cass Sunstein can put it where the sun don’t shine.


3 posted on 08/08/2013 9:45:47 PM PDT by beethovenfan (If Islam is the solution, the "problem" must be freedom.)
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To: rey
Sunstein has his opinion of Free Recpublic. This is from a few years ago. Get ready to be nudged real hard.

Here's how President Obama's (ex-)head of the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs and author of "Repulblic.com," Cass Sunstein, describes FreeRepublic.com as "group polarization," where people segregate themselves so effectively online with other like-minded thinkers that they create an echo chamber where the group's worst and most malevolent opinions get reinforced and strengthened. "We might want to consider," Sunstein startlingly told the Times recently, "the possibility of ways of requiring or encouraging sites to link to opposing viewpoints."

He recently left the Administration and is now an employee of some university.

4 posted on 08/08/2013 9:50:43 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael

“where people segregate themselves so effectively online with other like-minded thinkers ‘

‘must not have freedom of association”


5 posted on 08/08/2013 10:07:08 PM PDT by MeshugeMikey (Chicago Murder Updates..http://homicides.redeyechicago.com/)
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To: rey

Only time before they “nudge” people to not believe in a god of any kind..
THEN; make it legal.. a law forbidding it..

It’s not FAR OFF.. budding Diocletian’s and Nero’s are being trained NOW...


6 posted on 08/08/2013 10:08:23 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: rey

Sunstein is so smart that the feral should just install radio-control receivers on all citizens and let Cass do the driving.


7 posted on 08/08/2013 11:35:35 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Who knew that one day professional wrestling would be less fake than professional journalism?)
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To: rey

Let’s test it out, Momma Cass.

Why don’t you NUDGE obama’s people in Chicago stop killing each other?

Let me know how that works out.


8 posted on 08/09/2013 1:32:22 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: Tzimisce

“So propaganda is okay.”

Not exactly. HIS propaganda is ok. Yours, probably not.


9 posted on 08/09/2013 3:13:42 AM PDT by beef (Who Killed Kennewick Man?)
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To: rey
What they mean by ‘nudge’ is that they will ask nicely first, and if that doesn't work THEN they send in the storm troopers.

They will probably eventually implement a lot of this stuff. I have come to the conclusion that what most people in this world want is a dictator that they mostly agree with.

10 posted on 08/09/2013 3:23:04 AM PDT by beef (Who Killed Kennewick Man?)
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Hey Brooks,you are a pussy,go jump off a bridge,that’s just a nudge,but before you do be sure to buy that Obamacare or you would have to pay a fine


11 posted on 08/09/2013 3:39:51 AM PDT by ballplayer
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To: WilliamofCarmichael

You mean individuals gravitating to like minded AMERICANS who see their lives about to be destroyed,unlike those free thinkers at CNN,NBC,MSNBC,CBS,I SUPPOSE.
Haven’t heard a Damn original thought from the communist democrat party in my 63 years on this earth.How many times have you heard the uplifting message from them,going to starve the children,they love dirty air and water,racists and homophobes,right wing terrorists,extreme right wing.


12 posted on 08/09/2013 3:48:21 AM PDT by ballplayer
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To: Tzimisce

If propaganda were not OK, there would be no NYT.


13 posted on 08/09/2013 4:51:10 AM PDT by The_Media_never_lie (Actually, they lie when it suits them! The crooked MS media must be defeated any way it can be done!)
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To: Tzimisce

If propaganda were not OK, there would be no NYT.


14 posted on 08/09/2013 5:00:53 AM PDT by The_Media_never_lie (Actually, they lie when it suits them! The crooked MS media must be defeated any way it can be done!)
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To: rey

Too bad we can’t “nudge” the Liberals to just sit down and STFU.


15 posted on 08/09/2013 5:29:00 AM PDT by Maceman (Just say "NO" to tyranny.)
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To: Tzimisce

It isn’t just propaganda. It would be shaping policy, forms and interviews so it is hard to make a choice other than what the government wants. Examples:
* The defaults on online forms are what the government wants, and you cannot choose something else without going through painful exception workflows.
* Jokes about the 1970s Mormon curtain and other rules making alcohol purchases challenging would become real world limitations by design on buying everything from soda to cigarettes to guns.
* You cannot opt out of obesity management programs without three reviews or horrific notices that you’ll never receive certain types of care again.
* We already see this with Agenda 21 - replace existing car lanes with bike lanes both to encourage people to walk or use public transit while making people hate cars.


16 posted on 08/09/2013 5:37:06 AM PDT by tbw2
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