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Professor Richard Dawkins embroiled in Twitter row over Muslim comments
The Telegraph ^ | Aug 8, 2013 | Alice Philipson

Posted on 08/08/2013 9:43:35 PM PDT by Kip Russell

Richard Dawkins has been forced to defend controversial comments he made online after saying the last time Muslims contributed something worthwhile was during the Middle Ages.

Prof Dawkins, the bestselling author of The God Delusion, wrote on Twitter that all the world's Muslims had won fewer Nobel Prizes than Trinity College, Cambridge. He went on to argue that although Muslims were responsible for many achievements during the Dark Ages, including alchemy and algebra, their contribution since then was questionable.

His comments sparked outrage from many high-profile writers and journalists including author Caitlin Moran and Channel 4 News Economics Editor Faisal Islam.

Moran tweeted: "it's time someone turned Richard Dawkins off and then on again. Something's gone weird." Writing on Twitter on Thursday, Prof Dawkins said: "All the world's Muslims have fewer Nobel Prizes than Trinity College, Cambridge. They did great things in the Middle Ages, though."

While in response to another Twitter user who wrote that Muslims were responsible for alchemy and algebra, he replied: "Indeed, where would we be without alchemy? Dark Age achievements undoubted. But since then?"

He later tried to justify his comments by saying he talked about the number of Muslim prize winners because we often hear "boasts about their total numbers".

He wrote: "Why mention Muslim Nobels rather than any other group? Because we so often hear boasts about (a) their total numbers and (b) their science."

He added: "A statement of simple fact is not bigotry".

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: caitlinmoran; dawkins; dhimmitude; faisalislam; godsgravesglyphs; islam; nobelprizes; religionofpieces; richarddawkins; thegoddelusion; twitter; unitedkingdom; waronterror
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1 posted on 08/08/2013 9:43:35 PM PDT by Kip Russell
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To: Kip Russell

For once I agree with Dawkins. What positive effect has Islam had on the world? I can think only of negatives.


2 posted on 08/08/2013 9:49:14 PM PDT by beethovenfan (If Islam is the solution, the "problem" must be freedom.)
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To: beethovenfan

Perfected killing innocent women and children with IED’s


3 posted on 08/08/2013 9:51:03 PM PDT by Kozy (Calling Al Gore)
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To: Kip Russell

Alchemy? Muslims achieved transmutation?


4 posted on 08/08/2013 9:52:29 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: beethovenfan
Islam was not a torch, as has been claimed, but an extinguisher. Conceived in a barbarous brain for the use of a barbarous people, it was - and it remains - incapable of adapting itself to civilization. Wherever it has dominated, it has broken the impulse towards progress and checked the evolution of society.

- André Servier, French historian who lived in Algeria
5 posted on 08/08/2013 9:54:11 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: Kip Russell

If religion is a choice and someone chooses Islam, then they deserve all the criticism they get.

And if it isn’t a choice, then how can we respect anyone that can’t be bothered to reflect on their own religion so they CAN make a choice?


6 posted on 08/08/2013 9:54:24 PM PDT by freerepublicchat
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To: beethovenfan

No, no let’s all become muslims, gay, criminals, illegal aliens, druggies, because only the groups liberals pander to are noble and above approach.

And trash all the peaceful Christians, scientists, and so on for the same reason.

What’s the likelihood you are getting nobel prizes in science out of hell holes like Egypt, Pakistan, Somalia, etc.


7 posted on 08/08/2013 10:00:13 PM PDT by Williams (No Obama)
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To: Kip Russell
20th Century Tactical Assault Infants?


8 posted on 08/08/2013 10:02:47 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:32 "The arrogant one will stumble and fall With no one to raise him up; And I will set)
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To: Kip Russell
He added: "A statement of simple fact is not bigotry".

Your side changed that rule - no good crying about it, now.

9 posted on 08/08/2013 10:05:41 PM PDT by Mr. Jeeves (CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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To: Kip Russell

God bless Richard Dawkins.


10 posted on 08/08/2013 10:06:39 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: Kip Russell

He’s wrong, modern Muslims invented the child suicide walking bomb.


11 posted on 08/08/2013 10:11:35 PM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US Citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: Kip Russell
I thought it said Prof Richard Dreyfus— I'm tired, and it's shark week! And he is another liberal loon.

Now watch the Atheist run to the Christians and Jews for protection.

12 posted on 08/08/2013 10:12:23 PM PDT by MacMattico
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To: SpaceBar

Thank you. That is an excellent quote worth publishing and repeating.

One thing we need to be careful about, however: people are capable of change. I would not indict every individual who has fallen under this insidious religion, but pray for them. I wish no ill on either Dawkins or those who err in matters of faith and life.


13 posted on 08/08/2013 10:12:42 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: Kip Russell
"His comments sparked outrage from many high-profile writers and journalists including author Caitlin Moran and Channel 4 News Economics Editor Faisal Islam."

Notice that his comments did not elicit outrage from scientists, but from journalists and "high-profile" writers. Journalists are - by and large - second- or third-rate thinkers, or worse.
14 posted on 08/08/2013 10:12:59 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: Kip Russell

Did anybody list some accomplishments, instead of expressing outrage?


15 posted on 08/08/2013 10:13:17 PM PDT by Chaguito
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To: Steve_Seattle
Journalists are - by and large - second- or third-rate thinkers, or worse.

LOL.

F. A. Hayek once referred to journalists, politicians, and college professors as "the second-hand dealers in ideas".

16 posted on 08/08/2013 10:18:12 PM PDT by SeeSharp
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To: Kip Russell
"A statement of simple fact is not bigotry".

Bless his heart.

17 posted on 08/08/2013 10:20:35 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (People are idiots.)
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To: Chaguito

Doing that would refute his claims a lot better than expressing ‘outrage’’. C’mon muzlims - list the contributions...

< crickets >


18 posted on 08/08/2013 10:21:26 PM PDT by Bob
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To: Kip Russell
"All the world's Muslims have fewer Nobel Prizes than Trinity College, Cambridge.(...)"

Is the bad Doctor Dawkins leaving someone off the list?


19 posted on 08/08/2013 10:21:36 PM PDT by Yossarian
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To: beethovenfan

Dawkins was too generous. Muslims STOLE algebra, they didn’t invent it.

As a matter of fact, I believe that Islam itself was a badly bungled theft of Judeo-Christianity.


20 posted on 08/08/2013 10:29:05 PM PDT by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: SeeSharp

Regarding “journalists” - watch an old movie from the 30’s or 40’s, and you’ll recall how journalists used to be viewed - not as “professionals,” but as excitable, boorish, mid-brow, boozing, cigar-chomping scribblers who were basically making a living off of skills they learned in the fifth grade.


21 posted on 08/08/2013 10:30:14 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: beethovenfan

But, but, but just think about all their contributions to astronomy!


22 posted on 08/08/2013 10:34:20 PM PDT by Jemian
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To: Kip Russell

Good to see an atheist actually take a shot at the folks that would decapitate him for being an atheist.


23 posted on 08/08/2013 10:37:31 PM PDT by struggle
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To: MacMattico

Lets not forget what Pastor Niemoller said about “first they came for” and “I did nothing”..........

EVERYBODY’S FREEDOM IS EVERYBODY’S BUSINESS

Dawkins should not be demonized for speaking his mind although I disagree with much of what he says.

I believe in freedom of speech for all and it is under attack right now. I don’t if Dawkins would defend my freedom to disagree with his views but I want to demonstrate my belief in his freedom to speak.

Silence is not an option in this situation.


24 posted on 08/08/2013 10:38:45 PM PDT by Nextrush (A BALANCED BUDGET NOW AND PRESIDENT SARAH PALIN ARE AT THE TOP OF MY LIST)
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To: John Valentine

“Muslims STOLE algebra, they didn’t invent it.”

That’s absolutely the message I got from my Indian students in my high school classes. One gave me an essay she had written proving the case. But I’ve lost it.


25 posted on 08/08/2013 10:53:27 PM PDT by Chaguito
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To: Steve_Seattle
Regarding “journalists” - watch an old movie from the 30’s or 40’s, and you’ll recall how journalists used to be viewed - not as “professionals,” but as excitable, boorish, mid-brow, boozing, cigar-chomping scribblers who were basically making a living off of skills they learned in the fifth grade.

Journalism used to be a trade.

Now, it's a profession. And is the worse for it.

26 posted on 08/08/2013 11:00:55 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: Kip Russell

Jews, Arabs, Nobel Prize

The Global Islamic population is approximately 2,000,000,000 or 33% of
the world’s population. They have received the following Nobel Prizes:

Literature:
1988 - Najib Mahfooz

Peace:
1978 - Mohamed Anwar El-Sadat
1994 - Yaser Arafat:
1990 - Elias James Corey
1999 - Ahmed Zewai

Economics: (zero)

Physics: (zero)

Medicine:
1960 - Peter Brian Medawar
1998 - Ferid Mourad

TOTAL: SEVEN

HOWEVER:

The Global Jewish population is approximately 14,000,000, or about 0.02% of the world’s population.

They have received the following Nobel Prizes:

Literature:
1910 - Paul Heyse
1927 - Henri Bergson
1958 - Boris Pa sternak
1966 - Shmuel Yosef Agnon
1966 - Nelly Sachs
1976 - Saul Bellow
1978 - Isaac Bashevis Singer
1981 - Elias Canetti
1987 - Joseph Brodsky
1991 - Nadine Gordimer World

Peace:
1911 - Alfred Fried
1911 - Tobias Michael Carel Asser
1968 - Rene Cassin
1973 - Henry Kissinger
1978 - Menachem Begin
1986 - Elie Wiesel
1994 - Shimon Peres
1994 - Yitzhak Rabin

Physics:
1905 - Adolph Von Baeyer
1906 - Henri Moissan
1907 - Albert Abraham Michelson
1908 - Gabriel Lippmann
1910 - Otto Wallach
1915 - Richard Willstaetter
1918 - Fritz Haber
1921 - Albert Einstein
1922 - Niels Bohr
1925 - James Franck
1925 - Gustav Hertz
1943 - Gustav Stern
1943 - George Charles de Hevesy
1944 - Isidor Issac Rabi
1952 - Felix Bloch
1954 - Max Born
1958 - Igor Tamm
1959 - Emilio Segre
1960 - Donald A. Glaser
1961 - Robert Hofstadter
1961 - Melvin Calvin
1962 - Lev Davidovich Landau
1962 - Max Ferdinand Perutz
1965 - Richard Phil lips Feynman
1965 - Julian Schwinger
1969 - Murray Gell-Mann
1971 - Dennis Gabor
1972 - William Howard Stein
1973 - Brian David Joseph son
1975 - Benjamin Mottleson
1976 - Burton Richter
1977 - Ilya Prigogine
1978 - Arno Allan Penzias
1978 - Peter L Kapitza
1979 - Stephen Weinberg
1979 - Sheldon Glashow
1979 - Herbert Charles Brown
1980 - Paul Berg
1980 - Walter Gilbert
1981 - Roald Hoffmann
1982 - Aaron Klug
1985 - Albert A. Hauptman
1985 - Jerome Karle
1986 - Dudley R. Herschbach
1988 - Robert Huber
1988 - Leon Lederman
1988 - Melvin Schwartz
1988 - Jack Steinberger
1989 - Sidney Altman
1990 - Jerome Friedman
1992 - Rudolph Marcus
1995 - Martin Perl
2000 - Alan J. Heeger

Economics:
1970 - Paul Anthony Samuelson
1971 - Simon Kuznets
1972 - Kenneth Joseph Arrow
1975 - Leonid Kantorovich
1976 - Mil ton Friedman
1978 - Herb ert A. Simon
1980 - Lawrence Robert Klein
1985 - Franco Modigliani
1987 - Robert M. Solow
1990 - Harry Markowitz
1 990 - Merton Miller
199220- Gary Becker
1993 - Robert Fogel

Medicine:
1908 - Elie Metchnikoff
1908 - Paul Erlich
1914 - Robert Barany
1922 - Otto Meyerhof
1930 - Karl Landsteiner
1931 - Otto Warburg
1936 - Otto Loewi
1944 - Joseph Erlanger
1944 - Herb ert Spencer Gasser
1945 - Ernst Boris Chain
1946 - Hermann Joseph Muller
1950 - Tadeus Reichstein
1952 - Selman Abra ham Waksman
1953 - Hans Krebs
1953 - Fritz Albert Lipmann
1958 - Joshua Lederberg
1959 - Arthur Kornberg
1964 - Konrad Bloch
1965 - Francois Jacob
1965 - Andre Lwoff
1967 - George Wald
1968 - Marshall W. Nirenberg
1969 - Salvador Luria
1970 - Julius Axelrod
1970 - Sir Bernard Katz
1972 - Gerald Maurice Ed elman
1975 - Howard Martin Temin
1976 - Baruch S. Blumberg
1977 - Roselyn Sussman Yalow
1978 - Daniel Nathans
1980 - Baruj Benacerraf
1984 - Cesar Milstein
1985 - Michael Stuart Brown
1985 - Joseph L. Goldstein
1986 - Stanley Cohen [& Rita Levi-Montalcini]
1988 - Gertrude Elion
1989 - Harold Varmus
1991 - Erwin Neher
1991 - Bert Sakmann
1993 - Richard J. Roberts
1993 - Phillip Sharp
1994 - Alfred Gilman
1995 - Ed ward B. Lewis

TOTAL: 129

The Jews are NOT promoting brain washing children in military training
camps, teaching them how to blow themselves up and cause maximum deaths
of Jews and other non Muslims!

The Jews don’t hijack planes, nor kill athletes at the Olympics, or blow
themselves upin German restaurants. There is NOT one single Jew that
has destroyed a church. There is NOT a single Jew that protests by
killing people.

The Jews don’t traffic slaves, nor have leaders calling for Jihad and
death to all the Infidels.

Perhaps the world’s Muslims should consider investing more in standard
education and less in blaming the Jews for all their problems.

Muslims must ask ‘what can they do for humankind’ before they demand
that humankind respects them!!

Regardless of your feelings about the crisis between Israel and the
Palestinians and Arab neighbors, even if you believe there is more
culpability on Israel ‘s part, the following two sentences really say it
all:

‘If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more
violence. If the Jews put down their weapons today, there would be no more Israel’ -Benjamin Netanyahu


27 posted on 08/08/2013 11:13:13 PM PDT by NurdlyPeon (It is the nature of liberals to pervert whatever they touch.)
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To: Kip Russell

Even in the middle ages many of the accomplishments of Islamic “scientist” were done by non-Muslims living in Muslim lands.

If you actually look at what practicing Muslims achieved not what non-Muslims living in Muslim lands did the list gets very short indeed


28 posted on 08/08/2013 11:14:36 PM PDT by Fai Mao (Genius at Large)
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To: Kip Russell








29 posted on 08/08/2013 11:24:06 PM PDT by LyinLibs (If victims of islam were more "islamophobic," maybe they'd still be alive.)
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To: NurdlyPeon
What does this tell you about Islam's hatred of Jews? It's sheer envy; nothing more. In fact, I'd speculate that envy is the source of most anti-Semitism. Yet instead of hating the Jews for the accomplishments, the enviers ought to be investing their mental powers in emulating them.

And it's just the same thing between blacks and whites.

30 posted on 08/08/2013 11:25:41 PM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (I'll retire to Bedlam.)
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To: Fester Chugabrew

Good one: +1


31 posted on 08/08/2013 11:42:28 PM PDT by Darteaus94025 (Phony President)
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To: NurdlyPeon

“There is not one Jew that protests by killing people.”

Read up on the Stern gang and the Irgun. They conducted the terrorist bombing of the King David Hotel - killing 91 civilians and soldiers, hung a captured British soldier and buried a land mine under his hanging body to kill whoever cut him down and massacred 100+ inhabitants of an Arab village - Dayr Yasin.


32 posted on 08/09/2013 12:00:59 AM PDT by Darteaus94025 (Phony President)
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To: Kip Russell

Nobel Prizes?

Look at the list of people (critters) who have received them. That is a questionable index of brilliance.


33 posted on 08/09/2013 12:05:42 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Once a Republic, since then a State in the US, but it is Still Texas where I live.)
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To: Kip Russell

Didn’t Yassar Arafat win the Nobel Peace Prize?


34 posted on 08/09/2013 1:03:15 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: NurdlyPeon

Thanks for that info!


35 posted on 08/09/2013 1:23:03 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: Kip Russell

ping


36 posted on 08/09/2013 2:34:26 AM PDT by Dusty Road
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To: Kip Russell

what did Dawkins have to say about Allah?

(crickets)


37 posted on 08/09/2013 3:19:03 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: Kip Russell

He’d better get some track shoes, errr
He’d better turbocharge that chair. He’s gonna be wheeling for his life.

And He’s correct as to the Muslims. They are the stuck in the Middle Ages.


38 posted on 08/09/2013 3:28:21 AM PDT by Vinnie
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To: Kip Russell

Dawkins may want to remember Theo Van Gogh at this point


39 posted on 08/09/2013 3:42:10 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: NurdlyPeon

Amen


40 posted on 08/09/2013 3:43:33 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: beethovenfan

“What positive effect has Islam had on the world? I can think only of negatives.”

As someone noted after 9/11: People flying machines their culture could never create into building their culture could never build (or something along those lines). All of the real work done in the oil kingdoms are done by Western brains and imported labor from poorer countries.


41 posted on 08/09/2013 3:50:21 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: Darteaus94025

Re: the King David Hotel. As I heard it, they did call in a warning some time prior to the detonation, but the ever-superior British officers pooh-poohed the very concept of such an attack.


42 posted on 08/09/2013 4:00:48 AM PDT by Riflema
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To: Kip Russell
"although Muslims were responsible for many achievements during the Dark Ages, including alchemy and algebra, their contribution since then was questionable"

It's important to make a distinction between Muslims and Arabs. There were no Muslims before Muhammad, who was born in 570 AD. Most all of algebra basics preceded that that date. Algebra is credited to Babylonians nearly two millennia before Muhammad. A Muslim started using the word "algebra" to describe this branch of mathematics, but not the mathematics itself. As for alchemy and other types of superstition, who cares. Dawkins is certainly accurate with this statement. With political correctness, though, accuracy is not a virtue.

43 posted on 08/09/2013 4:16:42 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
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To: Darteaus94025

You comment proves the point. You had to dredge up an event 70 years ago to find a case of questionable Jewish activity. And even that was justified in that the Kind David Hotel was British military headquarters. Deir Yasin is a myth. How many Islamic terror attacks resulting in deaths have been perpetrated since 9/11 2001? Over 21,000. Jews versus Moslems. No contest. Don’t let your dislike of Jews blind you to the real history of Islam. http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/


44 posted on 08/09/2013 4:19:16 AM PDT by Blennos
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To: Kip Russell

How can you offer proof of a negative? It is incumbent upon the Muzzies to prove that they did do something constructive. So far all I hear is the sound of silence on their part but I will offer up one for their side: They gave us Obama! Oh, wait....


45 posted on 08/09/2013 4:21:47 AM PDT by New Jersey Realist (America: home of the free because of the brave)
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To: Kip Russell
He went on to argue that although Muslims were responsible for many achievements during the Dark Ages, including alchemy and algebra, their contribution since then was questionable.

Alchemy was a contribution?

46 posted on 08/09/2013 4:30:46 AM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: NurdlyPeon

Wow. What a list. And there is a hidden message here that should be noted:

Something happened in the mid-90s. After a long string of Nobel Prizes earned by the Jewish population the well suddenly went dry.

I offer up two possibilities:

1. The Jews just suddenly stopped doing quality work.
2. The Nobel Prize committees finally learned that politics trumps science, economics, peace ...


47 posted on 08/09/2013 4:51:01 AM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: Kip Russell

Bump


48 posted on 08/09/2013 5:04:20 AM PDT by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: Fester Chugabrew
I wish no ill on either Dawkins or those who err in matters of faith and life.

I would be inclined to agree with you, except that Islam blurs the line between faith and politics, and as such -- whenever it achieves political control -- always imposes a totalitarian system as horrific is Naziism, communism and all the other tyrannical "isms" that have caused so much death, poverty, misery and oppression.

It is when Muslims cross the line from faith to politics that they become the enemy, the "good Germans" notwithstanding.

49 posted on 08/09/2013 5:25:57 AM PDT by Maceman (Just say "NO" to tyranny.)
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To: Kip Russell

They have really advanced Explosive Vest Technology. And they have given cowardly murderer a modern twist.


50 posted on 08/09/2013 5:30:17 AM PDT by Redleg Duke ("Madison, Wisconsin is 30 square miles surrounded by reality.", L. S. Dryfus)
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