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Email service Lavabit abruptly shut down citing government interference
The Guardian ^ | 8/8/2013 | Spencer Ackerman

Posted on 08/08/2013 9:51:33 PM PDT by TennesseeProfessor

The email service reportedly used by surveillance whistleblower Edward Snowden abruptly shut down on Thursday after its owner cryptically announced his refusal to become "complicit in crimes against the American people."

Lavabit, an email service that boasted of its security features and claimed 350,000 customers, is no more, apparently after rejecting a court order for cooperation with the US government to participate in surveillance on its customers. It is the first such company known to have shuttered rather than comply with government surveillance.

"I have been forced to make a difficult decision: to become complicit in crimes against the American people or walk away from nearly ten years of hard work by shutting down Lavabit," founder Ladar Levison wrote on the company's website, reported by Xeni Jardin the popular news site Boing Boing.

Levison said government-imposed restrictions prevented him from explaining what exactly led to his company's crisis point.

"I feel you deserve to know what's going on – the first amendment is supposed to guarantee me the freedom to speak out in situations like this," Levison wrote. "Unfortunately, Congress has passed laws that say otherwise. As things currently stand, I cannot share my experiences over the last six weeks, even though I have twice made the appropriate requests."

Privacy advocates called the move unprecedented. "I am unaware of any situation in which a service provider chose to shut down rather than comply with a court order they felt violated the Constitution," said Kurt Opsahl, a lawyer with the Electronic Frontier Foundation.

Silent Circle, another provider of secure online services, announced on Thursday night that it would scrap its own encrypted email offering, Silent Mail. In a blogpost the company said that although it had not received any government orders to hand over information, "the writing is on the wall".

Several technology companies that participate in the National Security Agency's surveillance dragnets have filed legal requests to lift the secrecy restrictions that prevent them from explaining to their customers precisely what it is that they provide to the powerful intelligence service – either wittingly or due to a court order. Yahoo has sued for the disclosure of some of those court orders.

The presiding judge of the secret court that issues such orders, known as the Fisa court, has indicated to the Justice Department that he expects declassification in the Yahoo case. The department agreed last week to a review that will last into September about the issues surrounding the release of that information.

There are few internet and telecommunications companies known to have refused compliance with the NSA for its bulk surveillance efforts, which the NSA and the Obama administration assert are vital to protect Americans. One of them is Qwest Communications, whose former CEO Joseph Nacchio – convicted of insider trading – alleged that the government rejected it for lucrative contracts after Qwest became a rare holdout for post-9/11 surveillance.

"Without the companies' participation," former NSA codebreaker William Binney recently told the Guardian, "it would reduce the collection capability of the NSA significantly."

Snowden was allegedly a Lavabit customer. A Lavabit email address believed to come from Snowden invited reporters to a press conference at Moscow's Sheremetyevo Airport in mid-July.

While Levinson did not say much about the shuttering of his company – he notably did not refer to the NSA, for instance – he did say he intended to mount a legal challenge.

"We've already started preparing the paperwork needed to continue to fight for the Constitution in the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals," Levinson wrote. "A favorable decision would allow me resurrect Lavabit as an American company."

He continued: "This experience has taught me one very important lesson: without congressional action or a strong judicial precedent, I would strongly recommend against anyone trusting their private data to a company with physical ties to the United States."

Opsahl noted that the fact that Levinson was appealing a case before the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals indicated the government had a court order for Lavabit's data.

"It's taking a very bold stand, one that I'm sure will have financial ramifications," Opsahl said.

"There should be more transparency around this. There's probably no harm to the national security of the United States to have it publicly revealed what are the legal issues here," Opsahl continued.

The justice department said it had no comment to make. Representatives from the NSA, White House and the Office of the Director of National Intelligence did not immediately reply to a request for comment.


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I think it's reasonable to subponea any email used by Snowden. But I don't think that would cause Lavabit to shut down rather than comply. And whatever it is that is going on, I'm outraged that Ladar Lavison is not allowed to even discuss it.
1 posted on 08/08/2013 9:51:34 PM PDT by TennesseeProfessor
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To: TennesseeProfessor

Whether these “secure” service providers cave in and cooperate
or shut down and close shop doesn’t matter to the government.
Either outcome is a win for them as the goal is to either surveil
ALL electronic traffic or stop it .

It’s all about total control....either result satisfy’s that agenda.


2 posted on 08/08/2013 10:07:28 PM PDT by nvscanman
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To: nvscanman

Yep. Tormail got shut down too.


3 posted on 08/08/2013 10:12:16 PM PDT by Errant
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To: TennesseeProfessor
This article is by the vile JournoList member Spencer Ackerman. Here's his most famous JournoList quote:

"If the right forces us all to either defend (Jeremiah) Wright or tear him down, no matter what we choose, we lose the game they've put upon us. Instead, take one of them — Fred Barnes, Karl Rove, who cares – and call them racists."

That should have ended his writing career. Do you really think that FR is an appropriate place to post his articles?

4 posted on 08/08/2013 10:25:49 PM PDT by TChad
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To: TennesseeProfessor

Levison is a good man!

I will support him with my business in any new venture he starts...he just got a HUGE gold star for this action.


5 posted on 08/08/2013 10:35:18 PM PDT by Bobalu (It is not obama we are fighting, it is the media.)
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To: Bobalu

Statement from LAVABIT

My Fellow Users,

I have been forced to make a difficult decision: to become complicit in crimes against the American people or walk away from nearly ten years of hard work by shutting down Lavabit. After significant soul searching, I have decided to suspend operations. I wish that I could legally share with you the events that led to my decision. I cannot. I feel you deserve to know what’s going on—the first amendment is supposed to guarantee me the freedom to speak out in situations like this. Unfortunately, Congress has passed laws that say otherwise. As things currently stand, I cannot share my experiences over the last six weeks, even though I have twice made the appropriate requests.

What’s going to happen now? We’ve already started preparing the paperwork needed to continue to fight for the Constitution in the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals. A favorable decision would allow me resurrect Lavabit as an American company.

This experience has taught me one very important lesson: without congressional action or a strong judicial precedent, I would _strongly_ recommend against anyone trusting their private data to a company with physical ties to the United States.

Sincerely,
Ladar Levison
Owner and Operator, Lavabit LLC

Defending the constitution is expensive! Help us by donating to the Lavabit Legal Defense Fund here.


6 posted on 08/08/2013 10:51:50 PM PDT by SgtBilko
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To: TennesseeProfessor







7 posted on 08/08/2013 11:02:33 PM PDT by LyinLibs (If victims of islam were more "islamophobic," maybe they'd still be alive.)
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To: TennesseeProfessor

Was just reading this. I wouldn’t be surprised if the government threatened to hit him with as many counts of conspiracy as e-mails Snowden had sent if they didn’t close down.

Whatever Snowden leaked, was probably very, very important. I bet the information he still has is likely even more important.


8 posted on 08/08/2013 11:09:58 PM PDT by wastedyears (One nation, under wub. Saints Row IV)
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To: TennesseeProfessor
Probably would have been better off with Hushmail

We are committed to the privacy of our users, and will absolutely not release user data without an order that is legally enforceable under the laws of British Columbia, Canada, which is the jurisdiction where our servers are located. However, if we do receive such an order, we are required to do everything in our power to comply with the law. Hushmail will not accept an order from any authority or investigative agency that is not enforceable under the laws of British Columbia, Canada. Please read our Privacy Policy for more information.

But I thought the data was always encrypted
When one Hushmail user sends an email to another Hushmail user, the body and attachments of that email are kept on our server in encrypted form, and under normal circumstances, we would have no access to that data. We can’t just pick an arbitrary encrypted email message off the server and read it. An encrypted email message cannot be decrypted without the passphrase, and in the normal course of operations, we do not store passphrases. However, we may be required to store a passphrase for an account identified in a court order enforceable in British Columbia, Canada
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9 posted on 08/08/2013 11:34:55 PM PDT by expat1000
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To: TChad
Short answer, yes.

Sunlight is a disinfectant, and cockroaches hate it.

10 posted on 08/09/2013 1:01:30 AM PDT by null and void (Some day your prints will come...)
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To: TennesseeProfessor

I hope Levison doesn’t have any “accidents.”


11 posted on 08/09/2013 1:06:54 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: TennesseeProfessor; P-Marlowe
I think it's reasonable to subpoena any email used by Snowden.

It is not reasonable to ask any American to participate in violating the Constitutional rights of other US citizens.

The case is fairly simple. (1) The US can listen to the communications of foreign enemies whether they're talking to US citizens or not. This is allowed by law. (2) The US cannot collect/listen to communications (any variety) of US citizens. This is not allowed by law (or constitution), and there is good reason to believe it has been taking place.

The 2nd is what Snowden revealed and is what makes him a whistleblower instead of a spy/traitor.

And it's also why listening to any email used by Snowden is not acceptable. If it's in contact with foreign enemies, then go ahead and listen. If not, then there's no reason for it.

12 posted on 08/09/2013 2:50:36 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: xzins

The secret courts and secret warrants and legal muzzles are also problematic.


13 posted on 08/09/2013 3:22:51 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: wastedyears

The government will go to any lengths to protect it’s perceived right to do anything it wants because it has (a perceived right) to OUR money (i.e., taxes). And with secret courts, nothing is beyond their capability! Wait...isn’t that what they do in communist countries?


14 posted on 08/09/2013 3:26:55 AM PDT by Bobby_Taxpayer
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To: All

While I blame all presidents since at lest WWII for helping to bring this about, especially GWB, this is happening under Obama. He has taken it to a new level. A level so low and vile, that if a Republican had done this, we would have marches in streets, with literally hundreds of thousands Americans participating. Obama will continue all of this because he knows he can. He needs to be stopped by Congress. I am now starting to see that Rand Paul has a chance in 2016, if he plays his cards right. Assuming we still have an election then.


15 posted on 08/09/2013 3:37:50 AM PDT by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: TennesseeProfessor

Revolt is coming.


16 posted on 08/09/2013 3:40:17 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: TennesseeProfessor
What we are going to see is a lot of cloud-based business activity moving off U.S. shores.

Businesses with trade secrets and details of negotiations to protect - not illegal by any stretch - are going to want to minimize the risk of bureaucratic surveillance.

This will cost our economy bigtime. For example:

How Much Will PRISM Cost the U.S. Cloud Computing Industry?

17 posted on 08/09/2013 4:04:31 AM PDT by Notary Sojac (I call it messin' with the kid.)
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To: TennesseeProfessor

If he doesn’t want the federal government telling him what to do, he could move to the Cayman Islands and offer his service there, and make it a satellite-only service provider. The federal government would no longer have jurisdiction.


18 posted on 08/09/2013 4:07:37 AM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: TennesseeProfessor
I think it's reasonable to subponea any email used by Snowden. But I don't think that would cause Lavabit to shut down rather than comply. And whatever it is that is going on, I'm outraged that Ladar Lavison is not allowed to even discuss it.

Guarantee you it's not about Snowden, but about opening the system up, to the feds, for ALL users.

19 posted on 08/09/2013 4:10:39 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: All

So, if I send myself an email with several ‘key words’, would I get the full force of BB no-knocking on my door?


20 posted on 08/09/2013 4:38:38 AM PDT by Fast5 (That Just Ain't Rite.)
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To: SgtBilko

Bttt for your post at #6


21 posted on 08/09/2013 4:57:32 AM PDT by novemberslady (Texas For President)
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To: driftdiver

Absolutely!

The very idea of a secret court is abhorrent to the idea of liberty. As you say, they have secret warrants, secret laws, and secret interpretations.

And secret strikes, captures, trials, and imprisonments, I would imagine.


22 posted on 08/09/2013 5:15:48 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: TennesseeProfessor

E-mail get subpoenaed all time - both for criminal and civil cases.

If every e-mail provider who got a subpoena shut down, we would have no e-mail.

Gotta be something more here.


23 posted on 08/09/2013 5:30:42 AM PDT by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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24 posted on 08/09/2013 5:32:29 AM PDT by RedMDer (http://www.dontfundobamacare.com/)
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To: Eleutheria5
The federal government would no longer have jurisdiction.

They shouldn't have jurisdiction in the first place.

Sadly, we have become just like China. We do nothing, we stand here and take it.

Oh well.

25 posted on 08/09/2013 5:40:21 AM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal the 16th Amendment)
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To: TennesseeProfessor

It’s obvious the gestapo wanted a decryption key or a ‘backdoor’ so they could read all emails. They don’t just look at from and to headers, like they claim.


26 posted on 08/09/2013 5:40:46 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Liberalism is contrary to human nature. Promoting liberalism comes from a strong hatred of self.)
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To: TennesseeProfessor

“I have been forced to make a difficult decision: to become complicit in crimes against the American people or walk away from nearly ten years of hard work...”

What an unprecedented display of principles. Sounds like a moral extremist. /s

I often urge taxpayers to make such a difficult choice. They always prefer not to walk away from their years of hard work, and go right on financially supporting the government. If their tax money goes toward murdering infants and supplying terrorists with weaponry and moochers with free stuff, so what?


27 posted on 08/09/2013 5:49:09 AM PDT by HomeAtLast
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To: Notary Sojac
"What we are going to see is a lot of cloud-based business activity moving off U.S. shores."

I think the lesson to be learned here is that the "cloud" is not secure no matter where it's based. Smart people knew this along and kept there confidential data on servers under their direct control.

28 posted on 08/09/2013 5:50:12 AM PDT by jpsb (Believe nothing until it has been offically denied)
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To: Notary Sojac

Its already costing us. I’ve attended some international events and companies in Canada, South America, and the Islands will refuse to do business with mainland America companies because of the Patriot Act.


29 posted on 08/09/2013 6:04:06 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: TennesseeProfessor

NASDAQ Tip for the Day:

BUY sneakymail.ru


30 posted on 08/09/2013 6:04:41 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Buckeye McFrog
Sneakymail.ru?

(Dot)ru?

You'd trust the Russians more than obama? Sage advice!

31 posted on 08/09/2013 10:45:22 AM PDT by null and void (Some day your prints will come...)
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To: Biggirl

Not it’s not, not unless a majority of “true” Americans wake up and take back their government. But alas, I do not see that coming. The USA is going the way of Hitler’s Germany and soon no one will be safe from the occupier in chief.


32 posted on 08/09/2013 11:00:38 AM PDT by ducttape45
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To: PghBaldy
A level so low and vile, that if a Republican had done this, we would have marches in streets, with literally hundreds of thousands Americans participating.

No we wouldn't. America is gone. Nobody cares. We care about gay marriage and Paula Deen and Trayvon. Both sides.

If you haven't done anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about. Don't you care about the 9/11 victims? Move along. Oh, did I mention 9/11? /s

33 posted on 08/09/2013 11:17:14 AM PDT by Forgotten Amendments (I remember when a President having an "enemies list" was a scandal. Now, they have a kill list.)
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To: TennesseeProfessor
I saw this on Facebook....


Meet the man who stood up to the U.S. Government and the NSA: Ladar Levison! Rather than give the government access to all the users' data (encrypted password...s, etc), he refused and shot down the servers and his company. Ten arduous years of work went down the tube. Like Edward Snowden, he put his well being on the back burner in order to stand up for our country, for Liberty and the Constitution. He dared to stand up to this rogue government. Here is the story:

When Edward Snowden emailed journalists and activists in July to invite them to a briefing at the Moscow airport during his long stay there, he used the email account “edsnowden@lavabit.com” according to one of the invitees. Texas-based Lavabit came into being in 2004 as an alternative to Google’s Gmail, as an email provider that wouldn’t scan users’ email for keywords. Being identified as the provider of choice for the country’s most famous NSA whistleblower led to a flurry of attention for Lavabit and its encrypted email services, from journalists, and also, apparently, from government investigators. Lavabit founder Ladar Levison announced Thursday that he’s shutting down the company rather than cooperating with a government investigation (presumably into Snowden).

Lavabit’s website now displays a message about the shutdown, available in full below, along with a request for help paying the legal bill to fight the government in court.

“I have been forced to make a difficult decision: to become complicit in crimes against the American people or walk away from nearly ten years of hard work by shutting down Lavabit,” writes Levison. “After significant soul searching, I have decided to suspend operations.”

Presumably, the government is seeking access to Edward Snowden’s email, email metadata, passwords or encryption keys. And presumably, Levison doesn’t want to grant that access.

“I would _strongly_ recommend against anyone trusting their private data to a company with physical ties to the United States,” writes Levison, based on his experience. This message seems to be a loud and clear one. Washington, D.C.-based think tank Information Technology and Innovation Foundation predicts that U.S. cloud companies will lose from $21.5 to $35 billion over the next three years. They admit that it is a “rough guess” based on surveys about the chilling effects of the NSA leaks on cloud businesses.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2013/08/08/email-company-reportedly-used-by-edward-snowden-shuts-down-rather-than-hand-data-over-to-feds/

*****

My Fellow Users,

I have been forced to make a difficult decision: to become complicit in crimes against the American people or walk away from nearly ten years of hard work by shutting down Lavabit. After significant soul searching, I have decided to suspend operations. I wish that I could legally share with you the events that led to my decision. I cannot. I feel you deserve to know what’s going on–the first amendment is supposed to guarantee me the freedom to speak out in situations like this. Unfortunately, Congress has passed laws that say otherwise. As things currently stand, I cannot share my experiences over the last six weeks, even though I have twice made the appropriate requests.

What’s going to happen now? We’ve already started preparing the paperwork needed to continue to fight for the Constitution in the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals. A favorable decision would allow me resurrect Lavabit as an American company.

This experience has taught me one very important lesson: without congressional action or a strong judicial precedent, I would _strongly_ recommend against anyone trusting their private data to a company with physical ties to the United States.

Sincerely,
Ladar Levison
Owner and Operator, Lavabit LLC

https://lavabit.com/

34 posted on 08/09/2013 12:05:26 PM PDT by Lucky9teen ("The only thing worse than a knee-jerk liberal is a knee-pad conservative." ~ Edward Abbey)
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To: TennesseeProfessor; All

“A chill wind is blowing in this nation. A message is being sent through the White House and its allies… If you oppose this administration, there can and will be ramifications.”

Tim Robbins
April 15, 2003


35 posted on 08/09/2013 12:08:46 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Lucky9teen

He should fund an INTERNATIONAL Snowden/Larry Sinclair book signing tour.


36 posted on 08/09/2013 12:19:08 PM PDT by TomasUSMC
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To: Red in Blue PA

Well, being that Tim Robbins is a flaming Leftist, they all said that under GWB.

What has he said since Dear Leader and his ideological boyfriends cam eto power?


37 posted on 08/09/2013 12:41:10 PM PDT by Old Sarge (My "KMA List" is growing daily...)
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To: TennesseeProfessor

“-—not allowed-—court order?” Looks like it is put up or shut up time. We’ll soon find out where the Patriots are. Failure to spit out what he knows makes this guy suspect in his own right. He ought to be able/willing to list all the names on any “order” documents he has. If there are heavy handed obabuttheads involved the least the guy could do is indentify them. If he doesn’t have the guts to do that then I have to assume he has something to hide?


38 posted on 08/09/2013 1:01:20 PM PDT by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: cherokee1
"“-—not allowed-—court order?” Looks like it is put up or shut up time. We’ll soon find out where the Patriots are. Failure to spit out what he knows makes this guy suspect in his own right. He ought to be able/willing to list all the names on any “order” documents he has. If there are heavy handed obabuttheads involved the least the guy could do is indentify them. If he doesn’t have the guts to do that then I have to assume he has something to hide?"

Or it could be something simpler like a FISA court order and the consequences would be he would be arrested and held without access to anyone including counsel. We seem to have secret courts now, so Obama's functionaries could just make people disappear into a classified legal system. Even beyond that, look at how many Benghazi witnesses have been silenced and effectively vanished with Obama's unchecked power.

39 posted on 08/09/2013 1:35:37 PM PDT by Truth29
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To: Old Sarge

That was my point.


40 posted on 08/09/2013 2:10:37 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Agreed.


41 posted on 08/09/2013 2:32:28 PM PDT by Old Sarge (My "KMA List" is growing daily...)
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To: TChad

Wait. Does it matter who wrote the article? Unless it says things that aren’t true, I don’t care if Stalin himself wrote it.

I’m much more shocked to see such blatantly leftist tactics deployed on FR than seeing an article by this author.

We - Have no fear of the truth, no matter the source.
We - Don’t attempt to discredit the information by Ad Hominem. That’s what the other side does.


42 posted on 08/09/2013 6:46:01 PM PDT by Hugh the Scot
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To: Biggirl
Revolt is coming.

Indeed, I yam!

43 posted on 08/09/2013 6:50:21 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: TennesseeProfessor

Well, there’s another small business gone under the Obama Administration.


44 posted on 08/10/2013 9:46:13 AM PDT by AtlasStalled
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To: null and void
You'd trust the Russians more than obama? Sage a

Short answer: yes.
I trust Obama not at all.

45 posted on 08/10/2013 10:14:34 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: null and void

“You’d trust the Russians more than obama? “

Well, Pravda carries more truthful stories than MSNBC.

That said, no I don’t trust the Russians. But I do trust the Russians not to make all your emails casually available to the IRS, DEA, whatever to troll for whatever they decide is illegal today.

They say the average american commits three felonies a day the laws have gotten so cumbersome, so if and when they want to get you, they will. No sense in making it easy.


46 posted on 08/10/2013 10:38:52 AM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (RINOS like Romney, McCain, Dole are sure losers. No more!)
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To: OneWingedShark

There is that.


47 posted on 08/10/2013 10:51:07 AM PDT by null and void (Frequent terrorist attacks OR endless government snooping and oppression? Soon we'll have both!)
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To: Old Sarge

>> What has [Tim Robbins] said since...

Former Senator Feingold was an outspoken critic of Bush’s programs. Although, he eventually lost his seat, I don’t recall any complaints he had about Bush’s successors.


48 posted on 08/10/2013 2:23:48 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Hugh the Scot
My point was that Ackerman is one of a very few journalists who have behaved so unethically that they no longer deserve to be treated as journalists. At this point the content of his articles doesn't matter, and his politics don't matter. Find me a conservative journalist who is as unethical as Ackerman and I'll add him to the "avoid" list.

I don’t care if Stalin himself wrote it.

Would you care if Walter Duranty wrote it?

49 posted on 08/10/2013 7:35:09 PM PDT by TChad
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To: TChad

Are you saying that the information presented is false?


50 posted on 08/11/2013 5:08:40 AM PDT by Hugh the Scot
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