Skip to comments.NH Mom Banned from Praying on School Grounds
Posted on 08/09/2013 3:28:00 AM PDT by xzins
A New Hampshire mother has been banned from praying at her kids' high school.
Lizarda Urena has two children enrolled at Concord High School in Concord, N.H.
She started praying on school grounds in 2011 after two bullets were found in a restroom at the school. Urena said she prayed aloud as students entered the school every morning.
She was recently told by school officials that the prayers were not welcome after someone filed a complaint with the Freedom From Religion Foundation.
"They told me, no, no more," the mother of two said, with tears in her eyes. "I stand up, lift my hands to praise the Lord with my Bible holding and sometimes kneeling."
Urena said said she will continue to pray for the school, just no longer on school grounds.
Religious speech is even more protected in the constitution. The easiest way to handle religion is not a host of rules and times when its allowed is what the Founders decided. They decided that "free exercise" is the best way to handle religion. Be an adult. Lots of folks have different ideas on these things. Leave them alone. All its doing is voicing ideas.
In short, I think that required neutral speech is a violation of free speech. It is the government forcing an established neutral religion when it involves allowed versus disallowed religious speech or conduct. Leave them alone.
Finally, leaving that sane interpretation of the Constitution and turning to the courts' chaotic interpretation, to the extent they allow other speech by parents at that school in the morning, they are discriminating against religious speech. If that Mom is one of many moms speaking loud enough to be heard prior to school, then it's nobody's business that her mouth is speaking words of prayer instead of words of sports, academics, gossip, or weather. Leave her alone.
Will someone please inform the Nanncy Grace clone of the Freedom From Religion Foundation that the words are “freedom of religion” not “freedom from religion”
SEIU rules Concord with an iron fist...none of that G-d stuff will be tolerated here.
They are forcing their secular humanist religion upon us all.
I wonder if they stopped people from praying at Sandy Hook? Or are we only allowed to pray for the dead, not the living?
The mom is silly for praying because of bullets (cartridges?). The FFRF is criminal for interfering with her constitutional right to the free exercise of religion. If the general public is permitted on school grounds, then we are permitted to pray there, and any legitimate government would recognize that. Unfortunately, we have Obama and his followers - and the FFRF.
> They are forcing their secular humanist religion upon us all.
I wonder if their “superior” intellect realizes this?
Of course; the city of Concord has no trouble whatsoever extorting property taxes from this woman to pay for their indoctrination centers...
Even if you believe in a separation of church and state, you have to admit this woman is not the state nor is she a church. Neither are students.
Go to a park, sit on the bench and hold the bible and pray.
Are you violating a separation of church and state?
of course not
(it doesn’t exist like that anyway)
She must have forgotten her prayer rug.
That would have been welcomed by Red Hampshire’s pro-Islamic governor...
It appears that more local Christians are going to start praying on school grounds when indoctrination season ramps up at the end of this month.
Lizarda? What is the baby daddy’s name, Reptileo..
Freedom From Religion Foundation
There is NO Constitutional basis for what these people are doing.
We need to go ahead and divide ourselves from those that wish to live under communism and satan.
If she had been muslim and done as you say... prayer rug and ass in the air... they would be building her a mosque in the gym and a toilet to wash her feet in.
I guess I am in for it again.
I am sure that a woman standing praying aloud every day the kids enter school becomes disturbing to them after a while.
Not sure where she stood or how loud she was but I believe after a while it becomes more like she is haunting the school than doing any good. She becomes a nut case.
I agree with the system here ,it’s a bit like the Hari Krishna’s at the airport.
This is the equivalent of Vito saying to a store owner, “Don’t say anything against Don Corleone!” It is a pressure group using its fellow travelers and the threat of lawsuit to modify behavior of 3rd parties.
Note that the “Freedom from Religion” organization only had to write a letter to the school, likely a canned form letter saying that religion had been seen on school grounds. Probably an already atheistic school administration seized upon that crutch to forbid LEGAL 1st AMENDMENT rights. If questioned, the threat of a lawsuit would be used as justification.
The answer to these radical sectarians like this FFRF and ACLU is to tell them to bring it on. If they got universal blow-back they would exaust their money quickly and be legally insignificant.
What part of “the free exercise” clause regarding religious expression does this school district not understand? No government authority is ordering her to pray. She is free to express her prayers to God any where in this country.
When my children were young (& yes, they went to public school) I belonged to a 'praying group of moms' and every week we would gather together at one of our homes to lift up the school, our children, the teachers, the administration, the school board, etc.
We also gently insinuated ourselves into the workings of the school......being first to volunteer for events, or helping the teachers....or even taking cookies on special days of the year...to show the teachers and administration we were there to support AND that we prayed for them.
However, if and when there were circumstances that alerted or alarmed us about the school..... the administration would hear us out, and usually take action to correct ....whatever was the problem....because we were visible & they knew we were serious.
We prayed constantly....
...and our little group was actually part of a larger well known praying group in our nation.
I realize schools have changed greatly since my children have grown.....but they need prayer more than ever!
Putting on my asbestos...but I have to say I feel sorry for her kids. Teens can be ugly to one another and having mom (Lizarda?!?) day in day out, creating a scene can’t good for her kids.
I totally agree that she has religious freedom to pra in piblic, but does she believe that her prayers/intentions will not rise up if she does so in a less dramatic fashion?
Go ahead, flame me! I’m a mom, scorch proof!
God will still hear her petition, even if she prays privately - “in a closet,” as Jesus instructed.
I did pretty much the same. Home room mom; field trip chaperone; Library aide; Cub Scout and Girl Scout leader. I was always “around” but in a “helpful” (but to me watchful!) way. Youngest is 16 and I’m economically stuck in retail Hell because that was the only type of even parttime job I could hold and be a volunteer.
I have a one year old granddaughter, and my daughter is building a work from home career so she can do the same:)
Please read #1
Scan the first ten amendments. How many are enforced?
Darn few of our enumerated, and just about zero of unenumerated rights are respected. The only ones that are, have citizens willing to secure them.
Scotus excised freedom of religion from the BOR, well, because it could. Since the states booted themselves from the senate, there is no countervailing force to stop scotus.
Exactly. HE knows what is in our hearts!
Paging Jay Sekulow...
NH state motto..’Live Free or Die’. I think that motto is what died instead.
John Adams— Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.
If that’s her religion then that’s her religion. It isn’t yours apparently, but the Founders didn’t want to run around policing acceptable religion. They figured we could be adults about it and allow differences that really don’t hurt anyone.
So, if she wants to pray out loud for the kids at the school, then leave her alone. What is it hurting in terms of real injury? All those kids and adults with other views is being subjected to is a study in comparative religions. That’ll probably be good for them in the long run to be able to know some things about other religions.
“It appears that more local Christians are going to start praying on school grounds when indoctrination season ramps up at the end of this month.”
ILLINOIS Comprehensive Sex Education Cirriculum, which is already being taught in some Illinois public schools, is about to become law barring an unlikely veto by Gov. Quinn.
Why pastors, congregations, and parents did not stand against this perverse indoctrination is uncomprehensible.
Jesus prayed in public. Paul prayed in public. Peter prayed in public.
But, this isn’t really about anything other than this woman and you (and others) have different religions.
Would you be more comfortable running around policing government enforced “correct” religious expression, or would you rather just live and let live and consider it a learning experience? That is what the Founders decided....free exercise of religion and no government approved religion.
Confronted with her accuser.....that sounds vaguely familiar? /s
Theoretically, our Bill of Rights says that the government cannot establish a state church, and force citizens to attend or adhere to the state religion. The Constitution blocks government intervention in religious matters.
Obviously, this is not well-enforced.
But the "Freedom FROM Religion" foundation is a private organization which is attempting to get the government to stop people from praying.
This is not a question of "we not enforcing the Constitution". This is a war against the practice of religion. The Constitution does not sanction such a war.
This is the correct response. When religious behavior is forbidden by law civil disobedience must be taken up by every Godly believer.
They are afraid of lawsuits? File lawsuits against them. Do not tolerate the obscenity of public officials refusing to allow prayer in public places.
Let there be a dozen more prayer warriors, then a hundred, then a thousand, until the forces of evil are drowned by a flood of Godly power.
What is at stake here is nothing less than the power of good vs the power of evil. These petty officials are too ignorant to realize that this blessed woman’s prayers are keeping evil forces at bay and protecting children from harm. Her faith can stop a thousand demons. What can their godless rules do in the face of consummate evil?
Prohibition of prayer CAUSED Sandy Hook.
No lessons learned
The enemy; pure evil is what powered the Sandy Hook massacer
It’ll happen again
They could get rid of all the guns, theoreretically, and there would still be an evil force allowed in to cause horror.
That’s hoe evil operates.
They deny its existenc.
“Congress shall make no law regarding an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof ...”
— Amendment I, Constitution of the United States
“Congress shall make no law regarding an establisment of Christianity, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof unless some sourpuss atheist or pliable bureaucrat objects and the religion in question is Christianity ...”
— Amendment I, Liberal Constitution and Wrapping Paper
They have the right to keep her off school grounds.
But would they do the same thing if it were subhuman savages chanting their pseudo-religious slogans?
To the extent they allow other parents on the grounds, then she should be allowed on the grounds. To the extent they allow other parents to talk while on grounds, then she should be allowed to talk.
However, I see no reason to allow the government to ban people from people-owned property. Security checks? Sure.
But, to refuse parents the right to monitor or be involved in their child’s education is tyranny.
Yes that is her religion...but atop the slippery slope we climb here. Using the same logic how could a governing entity (let’s say a small town) prevent the “Muslim Call to Prayer” being broadcast via loudspeakers five times a day? What’s to stop Muslims bring their prayer rugs to the outside of the school bldg as well? Or a EcoCult praying to a beloved tree (or school property) daily?
I’m not saying her religion is “unacceptable” in her beliefs or her right to believe to worship as she sees fit; I see the theatrics of her daily ritual as no different than the prayer rugs unrolling in airports and offices 5 times a day.
It’s not to who she is praying to or what she is praying for, it’s her very public demand that HER prayer be accommodated to by everyone else. Kinda like the loudspeaker “call to prayer” DEMANDS IMO.
In the minds of school officials, public prayer is offensive. In their minds, whether they acknowledge it or not, neutralism in religion means atheism, but that that, after all, is the default between theism and atheism.
They are militant atheists.
I don’t mind if a muslim brings a prayer rug, and I don’t mind if they speak their faith while they are there on school grounds. First, when the bell rings, the kiddies need to be inside. Second, a school does have a legitimate interest in controlling the level of noise in and around school grounds. Announcements, bells, and education must be allowed to be heard, and that cannot happen when being drowned out.
So, if this school puts in place a decibel level policy, then I have no problem with that. It is a reasonable expectation for a school given the need to have education take place. Also, it would be equally enforced. Does that mean this woman might not be able to SHOUT! That’s ok. God has good ears.
So far as Islamics and others, I doubt seriously their numbers in the population will have that be a common occurrence anytime soon in most of America. And, if there’s a place where they have a majority, then I would be surprised if the prayers I heard WEREN’T mostly Muslim.
Religious rituals are not theatrics whether we share them or not but the expression of a religious culture. Since the 60s, more and more the schools have taken to suppressing all expressions of the Christian culture of its students, which is to say, of the families who send their children to the schools.
Don't send your kid anywhere God isn't welcome. If you are waiting for something good to happen, your child will go through 12 years of school, enter and graduate from college, then get married and a job, before you realize that nothing gets better,....it always gets worse.
Christians mistakenly think they can send their Godly children into a hell pit, and somehow their kids will have a positive effect on the other kids. With a ratio of a hundred to one, your child will be the changed one.
You had your child,....Raise them!!
Why isn't this a slam-dunk, open and shut case?
Not only is what you said true, there is a glaringly obvious Constitutional provision stating her right to practice her religion:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof
I found a bullet in the 6th grade boys restroom and gave it to the principal. He threw it in the trash and the day went on as normal. Of course, this is Texas where we don’t get our panties in a bunch over such things and kids proudly show off pics of the deer they got over the weekend.
Yeah, I guess they figure she is single-handedly establishing a State Church.