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Disturbing Details in Teen Taser Death [An attempt to create a hispanic Trayvon]
Hispanic Business.com ^ | 8/9/13

Posted on 08/10/2013 6:40:14 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper

At just 17, Israel Hernandez-Llach was already an award-winning artist, on the threshold of acclaim in Miami Beach art circles. He was a sculptor, painter, writer and photographer whose craft was inspired by his home country of Colombia and his adopted city, Miami.

He was also a graffiti artist, known as "Reefa," who sprayed colorful splashes of paint on the city's abandoned buildings while playing cat-and-mouse with cops, who, like many property owners, consider graffiti taggers to be vandals, not artists.

It was while spray-painting a shuttered McDonald's early Tuesday morning that Hernandez-Llach was chased down by Miami Beach police and shot in the chest with a Taser. He later died.

(Excerpt) Read more at hispanicbusiness.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: cops; punks
The Miami media have put their hooks into this story, doing their best to create sympathy for this kid who RAN from police, and whose friends ADMIT criminal activity....

Sound familiar? There are enough parallels to see there are activists trying to make this a Trayvon-like case.....

The one thing missing so far? A "civil rights" lawyer....

1 posted on 08/10/2013 6:40:14 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: SoFloFreeper

Taggers should be targets.

Period.

“Colorful,”my smelly rear Obama.


2 posted on 08/10/2013 6:42:36 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: SoFloFreeper

I think your parenthetical editorial opinion is a little too early. There seem to be two different stories: either a guy charging cops or 5 cops (Miami cops that is) against one guy. Let’s let the investigation unfold.

BTW, Tasers should be classified as lethal weapons.


3 posted on 08/10/2013 6:45:17 AM PDT by gotribe (Vladimir Putin is MY President)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Illegal alien, I presume. He should have stayed in Columbia and done his art there. The USA does not have a shortage of Hispanics or graffiti pollution.


4 posted on 08/10/2013 6:45:37 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: SoFloFreeper

Like to take a can of pink spay paint and “tag” one of these artists houses, bikes, computers with a big ol male organ.


5 posted on 08/10/2013 6:51:55 AM PDT by Dallas59 (Obama: The first "White Black" President.)
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To: SoFloFreeper
He was also a graffiti artist

So that's another way to spell "Vandal"? This prick wrote all over the entire front, and windows, of a storefront......art that ain't.

6 posted on 08/10/2013 6:54:56 AM PDT by ErnBatavia (Carlos Danger for mayor....NYC deserves him)
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To: gotribe

You may be right...but the obama-lovin’ Miami media is really, really playing this up....trying to drum up the tears for this kid who ran from cops....and was given the opportunity to surrender....

I even heard one report where one of his friends said “He wasn’t a criminal, he was an artist!” Later, the reporterette says his friends admit he was doing something illegal, but should not have died because of it......


7 posted on 08/10/2013 6:59:05 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: SoFloFreeper

Artists use their own canvas, not other people’s property. This was a vandal and a criminal. It’s unfortunate that his multiple stupid actions led to a natural consequence of such choices, but they were his choices to make. I don’t have a problem with Tasers for those resisting arrest or running from police.


8 posted on 08/10/2013 7:02:37 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: SoFloFreeper
“like many property owners, consider graffiti taggers to be vandals, not artists.”

Idiot liberal logic. It's not the quality or subject matter that determine the legality. It's property rights. If DaVince painted The Last Supper on a cathedral wall without permission it's vandalism.

9 posted on 08/10/2013 7:02:56 AM PDT by CrazyIvan (I'm so conservative I won't even wear progressive bifocals.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

It won’t go anywhere. No Jesse Jackson or Sharpton’s like people in
The Hispanic community.


10 posted on 08/10/2013 7:08:29 AM PDT by the_daug
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To: SoFloFreeper

The one thing missing so far? A “civil rights” lawyer....

Nope ——what is missing is a Hispanic Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton.

The Hispanics do not have a good Shyt Stirrer to get them in the media and stay there.

This vandal was breaking the law and he knew it. Running proves it.


11 posted on 08/10/2013 7:11:47 AM PDT by Venturer ( cowardice posturing as tolerance =political correctness)
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Hope the taser is rechargeable, price of batteries and all.


12 posted on 08/10/2013 7:17:58 AM PDT by S.O.S121.500 (Case back hoe for sale or trade for diesel wood chipper....Enforce the Bill of Rights. It's the Law!)
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To: gotribe
“Tasers should be classified as lethal weapons”.

However, that would mean that Taser could only be used when lethal force is justified. This would mean that the gun or the taser could be used in a lethal use of force situation. If you are justified and feel the need to use lethal force then why would you use a tool that would only shock the person? If the gun is used, the only reason to use it is to terminate the person it is pointed at. I wish we had data on the number of taser uses compared to number of deaths occurring after someone was tased.

13 posted on 08/10/2013 7:42:54 AM PDT by Dave278 (Keep your change I will keep my freedom!!)
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To: SoFloFreeper

I don’t think he was killed by the Taser.

He had three serious falls during his attempt to escape, hitting hard twice, with the third time caused by collapsing from the Taser. After being Tasered, he was arrested, but *then* experienced medical distress.

Had it been the Taser, the effects would have been immediate. So I suspect that one of his first two falls caused internal injuries, such as a ruptured spleen, liver or pancreas, or even more likely to the arteries and veins that support them.

Because the liver and spleen are highly vascular, injuries to these organs can cause fatal blood loss either from the organ itself or the arteries and veins that supply them.

If this is the case, diagnostic autopsy will be obvious, because his abdominal cavity will be full of blood.


14 posted on 08/10/2013 7:47:56 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Be Brave! Fear is just the opposite of Nar!)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Will the Legend of Reefa now grow to rival that of the Legend of Trayvon?


15 posted on 08/10/2013 8:29:54 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: SoFloFreeper

They shot him! They shot him! Why didn’t they just taser him?

Oh.

******

It may be HIS art that was important to him, but it wasn’t HIS canvas.

What if the property owners had sprayed him pink and said it was just art? Everyone OK wit dat?


16 posted on 08/10/2013 8:31:28 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: gotribe

Tasers are classified as “less-lethal”, not to be confused with “less-than-lethal”.


17 posted on 08/10/2013 8:42:21 AM PDT by Molon Labbie (Prep. Now. Live Healthy, take your Shooting Iron daily.)
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To: SoFloFreeper
an award-winning artist, on the threshold of acclaim
Oh, he found acclaim alright ... and he wasn't even an aspiring rapper, working on his GED, turning his miserable life around.
18 posted on 08/10/2013 8:46:12 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: SoFloFreeper

This could not be less like the Trayvon Martin case.

A filthy predator thug cop sentenced someone to die on the street for graffiti. Or maybe because the guy made the cop really mad when he ran.

The evidence is in that tasers kill. Not all the time, but many times. Tasers should only be allowed in the same circumstances as a firearm: the officer is assaulted and in reasonable fear for his life.

And “I’m just making sure I make it to the end of my shift” doesn’t count as reasonable fear for your life, by the way, although somehow that’s become the new lowered standard by which deadly force is exercised all over the country.

Unbelievable that FReepers are defending fascism and cop lawlessness.


19 posted on 08/10/2013 9:03:02 AM PDT by Blue Ink
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To: Blue Ink

I’ll think about what you said, but I find it remarkable you are defending the defacing of property.


20 posted on 08/10/2013 9:15:41 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: Dave278
Tasers save lives, but the criminal-coddling FReepers think it's too much for their petty criminal buddies.

I agree and think we should go back to batons.

21 posted on 08/10/2013 9:29:40 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (There should be a whole lot more going on than throwing bleach, said one woman.)
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To: Blue Ink
Unbelievable that FReepers are defending fascism and cop lawlessness.

The lawlessness is coming purely from teenage punks out roaming the streets in the middle of the night.

I'm sure these gentleman artistes would never THINK of committing any other type of crime.

22 posted on 08/10/2013 9:32:41 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (There should be a whole lot more going on than throwing bleach, said one woman.)
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To: the_daug

It won’t go anywhere. No Jesse Jackson or Sharpton’s like people in
The Hispanic community.
******************
Hispanic race-baiters....
Luis Gutierrez, D-IL
Menendez
LULAC


23 posted on 08/10/2013 10:11:19 AM PDT by octex
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To: SoFloFreeper

I wonder what kind of drugs he had in his system that would overload when tazed.


24 posted on 08/10/2013 11:12:46 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah, so shall it be again,")
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To: Trailerpark Badass
I'm all for the baton however won't happen. Those days are forever gone. The media is too quick to say taser killed _____. The ME’s report has to come back. Usually it is the combined abuse of Drugs/ Alcohol/enlarged heart with stress of resisting or fleeing that causes the death. Not the taser.
25 posted on 08/10/2013 11:45:26 AM PDT by Dave278 (Keep your change I will keep my freedom!!)
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To: SoFloFreeper

I’m not for one second defending the defacing of public property.

I don’t think vandalism warrants a death sentence, which is what the kid got. Do you?


26 posted on 08/10/2013 1:47:35 PM PDT by Blue Ink
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To: Blue Ink

Well, you’ve already convicted the cops, cops who use tasers routinely to subdue fleeing suspects.

I posted a thread on this event right when it first happened, a couple days ago, and noted it was not good that the kid died. There is no way the cop would know that there would be that kind of reaction—tasers are not, despite your assertions, meant to kill people.

They are meant to control them—and in rare cases, people have reactions and die. They aren’t bullets.


27 posted on 08/10/2013 5:02:13 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: SoFloFreeper

Graffiti “artist”, huh???


28 posted on 08/10/2013 11:29:14 PM PDT by Wicket (God bless and protect our troops and God bless America)
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To: octex

Yes but their Name recognition not up there like Jesse or Sharpton.


29 posted on 08/11/2013 9:03:34 AM PDT by the_daug
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To: SoFloFreeper

“cops who use tasers routinely to subdue fleeing suspects.”

And that’s the problem. Taser use is not supposed to be “routine” per the regulations in almost every city and town in the country. And not for “compliance” and not to “subdue fleeing suspects.” It’s illegal. ONLY if you are assaulted or your life is threatened. That is the standard for taser use.

“tasers are not, despite your assertions, meant to kill people.”

I never said they are meant to kill people. I said the irrefutable evidence is in — look at the death rate — that they DO kill people. I guess we can argue about what constitutes “rare.”

But I remember and so do you in the back of your mind — there was this death we’re discussing, and that death last year, and a couple of deaths the year before — not terrorists or vicious criminals. Instead drunks or petty crooks or developmentally disabled or deaf people who had run-ins with impatient bully cops with itchy taser trigger fingers — and paid for it with their lives. “Rare” taser deaths are still patently wrong and shame us all.


30 posted on 08/11/2013 9:36:53 AM PDT by Blue Ink
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