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Radioactive water overruns Fukushima barrier - TEPCO
rt.com ^ | August 10th 2013 | not stated

Posted on 08/10/2013 9:22:02 AM PDT by Mr Radical

Contaminated groundwater accumulating under the crippled Fukushima nuclear power plant has risen 60cm above the protective barrier, and is now freely leaking into the Pacific Ocean, the plant’s operator TEPCO has admitted. The Tokyo Electric Power Company (TEPCO), which is responsible for decommissioning the damaged Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant, on Saturday said the protective barriers that were installed to prevent the flow of toxic water into the ocean are no longer coping with the groundwater levels, Itar-Tass reports.

The contaminated groundwater, which mixes with radioactive leaks seeping out of the plant, has already risen to 60cm above the barriers – the fact which TEPCO calls a major cause of the massive daily leak of toxic substances.

Earlier on Friday, the company announced it started pumping out contaminated groundwater from under Fukushima, and managed to pump out 13 tons of water in six hours on Friday. TEPCO also said it plans to boost the pumped-out amount to some 100 tons a day with the help of a special system, which will be completed by mid-August. This will be enough to seal off most of the ongoing ocean contamination, according to TEPCO’s estimates.

However, Japan’s Ministry of Industry has recently estimated that some 300 tons of contaminated groundwater have been flowing into the ocean daily ever since the March 2011 earthquake and tsunami that triggered the disaster.

TEPCO also promised it will urgently reinforce the protective shields to keep radioactive leaks at bay. The company has repeatedly complained it is running out of space and has had to resort to pumping water into hastily-built tanks of questionable reliability, as more than 20,000 tons of water with high levels of radioactive substances has accumulated in the plant’s drainage system.

Water samples recently taken at an underground passage below the Fukushima nuclear plant showed extreme levels of radiation comparable to those taken immediately after the March 2011 catastrophe. The tested water, which had been mixing with ground water and flowing into the ocean, contained 2.35 billion Becquerels of cesium per liter – some 16 million times above the limit.


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The news from Fukushima gets worse every day - this is building to be the biggest environmental disaster in modern times and the Japanese seem to be running out of ideas? Time for an international oversight and response?
1 posted on 08/10/2013 9:22:02 AM PDT by Mr Radical
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To: Mr Radical

And the predicted health effects have not materialized.


2 posted on 08/10/2013 9:23:40 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (Just wanted to say I hope you great NSA folks are enjoying my posts here.)
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To: Mr Radical

“Time for an international oversight and response?”

Possibly Obama can send in his LGBT crack Olympic team.......they will figure it out.


3 posted on 08/10/2013 9:26:09 AM PDT by Toespi
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To: Mr Radical
"In the Year 2025, if man is still alive....

....if woman can survive they may fi-i-nd...

In the Year 2025 ain't gonna need your 2-heads, and 3-eyes balls and extreme shrinkage..."

4 posted on 08/10/2013 9:30:29 AM PDT by USS Johnston (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. ~ Edmund Burke)
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To: Mr Radical

Is this radioactive water headed towards California?


5 posted on 08/10/2013 9:54:24 AM PDT by stars & stripes forever
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To: Mr Radical
the International community should have been helping from the get -go - the contamination is already in the fields/animals in California - they are keeping a lid on it -

“16 million times above the limit” - that ‘s pretty concentrated! If they stopped it today, California would still be washed by it for up to another year.

If you think tuna was iffy with it’s mercury levels - what about now? I no longer eat tuna - ro, knowingly, any fish from the Pacific.

But what about the produce/meats in your supermarkets?

Truly more and more urgent to eat local/organic/home grown.
Much of the fancy bottled water is tap water from Los Angeles. Bad enough in itself, but now?

When I do buy bottled water, I only buy SPRING water - and ti has to be so labeled - and it’s much cheaper to boot. But I thank God for my own sweet well water - and living in the state furthest from California

6 posted on 08/10/2013 10:47:56 AM PDT by maine-iac7 (Christian is as Christian does - by their fruits)
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To: maine-iac7
I'm not worried about it. I'm much more likely to die at the hands of a future ex-wife than be affected by radiation in Japan.

Everybody dies of something. Spending a lot of time worrying about dodging all the bullets detracts from the quality of life. ;)

/johnny

7 posted on 08/10/2013 10:58:12 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Mr Radical

He’s tanned, rested and ready: Godzilla 2014


8 posted on 08/10/2013 10:59:22 AM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: HereInTheHeartland
And the predicted health effects have not materialized.

So, you'd have no worries living next to the plant.

9 posted on 08/10/2013 11:38:54 AM PDT by bgill (This reply was mined before it was posted.)
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To: Larousse2; Smokin' Joe; MestaMachine; Rushmore Rocks; Oorang; sweetiepiezer; txnuke; La Lydia; ...
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10 posted on 08/10/2013 11:43:13 AM PDT by LucyT (What happens in Vegas stays in the Utah data center.)
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To: stars & stripes forever

You ask: “Is this radioactive water headed towards California?”

SHAME ON FREEPERS

It’s bad enough the Obama says no problem - quintensential obama - or that the MSM is obeying by spinking it and our poliricians are silent - but when even Freepers rely on being spoonfed too rather than do any independent research - it’s truly disheartening.

This first video is from 2011! and people haven’t been following up on it - Famed physicist Dr. Michio Kaku

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rrxmy6R3m90

Pacific Ocean contamination chart

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3l8TT1dv-PM

Are we killing ourselves? Why is the world doing NOTHING. Why is our government doing nothing? - except covering up the truth? Why is THIS not a scandel?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3l8TT1dv-PM

look, if you can spare the time from watching “Idol” and “DAncing” - look at some of the other videos in the sidebars? Or you can expend the least amount of your precious time and simply cache the links in this post - for future perusal - maybe you might even want to keep en eye on this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PrhG5gmVb8

last month - leaks have been continuos and now is speeding up

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7l6YFOwiXnM

Radiation in San Diago - just the beginning?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2Jqx2JVvjU

‘bama double tongue “I want to be very clear - “ speech - NO WORRY! He said he’d keep us updated too - doesn’t seem to be any updates...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=095dqQn_3H8

radiation had already started reaching both west and eat coast USA 2 1/2 years ago!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhA6uh5UyAQ

how high is it NOW?


11 posted on 08/10/2013 12:07:33 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (Christian is as Christian does - by their fruits)
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To: All

: “Is this radioactive water headed towards California?”

SHAME ON FREEPERS

It’s bad enough the Obama says no problem - quintensential obama - or that the MSM is obeying by spinking it and our poliricians are silent - but when even Freepers rely on being spoonfed too rather than do any independent research - it’s truly disheartening.

This first video is from 2011! and people haven’t been following up on it - Famed physicist Dr. Michio Kaku

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rrxmy6R3m90

Pacific Ocean contamination chart

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3l8TT1dv-PM

Are we killing ourselves? Why is the world doing NOTHING. Why is our government doing nothing? - except covering up the truth? Why is THIS not a scandel?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3l8TT1dv-PM

look, if you can spare the time from watching “Idol” and “DAncing” - look at some of the other videos in the sidebars? Or you can expend the least amount of your precious time and simply cache the links in this post - for future perusal - maybe you might even want to keep en eye on this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PrhG5gmVb8

last month - leaks have been continuos and now is speeding up

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7l6YFOwiXnM

Radiation in San Diago - just the beginning?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2Jqx2JVvjU

‘bama double tongue “I want to be very clear - “ speech - NO WORRY! He said he’d keep us updated too - doesn’t seem to be any updates...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=095dqQn_3H8

radiation had already started reaching both west and eat coast USA 2 1/2 years ago!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhA6uh5UyAQ

how high is it NOW?


12 posted on 08/10/2013 12:10:21 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (Christian is as Christian does - by their fruits)
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To: stars & stripes forever
Is this radioactive water headed towards California?

The ocean bound contaminates begin arriving within the next year. The truth is we are in uncharted territory. We have never dumped this much nuclear contamination into an ocean before. If it just continues doing what it has the past two years, some predict the affects on the west coast US will be just a little greater then all those above ground nuclear tests. However it is impossible to accurately predict what will happen because we do not know.

There are three pathways for radiation to the US west coast.

Particles traveling from the atmosphere in Japan to the US. Those were significant in the first few weeks of the accident, but have tapered off the past two years.

Particles in the ocean that make it into the food chain and accumulate in the animals we eat through bio-accumulation. We have no way to predict the actual concentrations or how dangerous they will be.

The other pathway is contaminated coastal waters along the US will release contaminated particles into the atmosphere near the coast. These particles can be breathed into our lungs. Someone who actually analyzed radiation from a nuclear plant operating along the coast of Japan, found that was the biggest source increasing cancer risks to coastal residents.

The above applies if the situation does not worsen. The odds of it worsening are very significant. They have recently resorted to asphalting the areas they can to keep rainwater out of the ground. The entire complex was built over an aquifer. Very serious concerns that the impervious glass walls built along the coast will cause water levels to rise. They have begun to pump it out a couple of days ago. They plan in two years to construct a frozen barrier wall underground on the inland side of the site that prevents the hundreds of tons of groundwater from flowing into the ground under the plant. The problem is no one has ever built a frozen underground barrier as large as they require.

And we should all say prayers for the workers still working at Fukushima. Many of them have already reached exposure levels that qualify them for Leukemia compensation. In other words, they are just about guaranteed to eventually get the disease.

13 posted on 08/10/2013 12:22:36 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: maine-iac7

Thanks so much. I appreciate your research and your links.

I looked online repeatedly but found it difficult to find radiation levels for my community in eastern WA.


14 posted on 08/10/2013 12:23:02 PM PDT by Veto! (Opinions freely expressed as advice)
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To: justa-hairyape
We have never dumped this much nuclear contamination into an ocean before.

Zatso?


15 posted on 08/10/2013 12:43:08 PM PDT by null and void (Frequent terrorist attacks OR endless government snooping and oppression? Soon we'll have both!)
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To: Mr Radical

Glow in the dark ping


16 posted on 08/10/2013 12:48:20 PM PDT by maine yankee (I got my Governor at 'Marden's')
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To: null and void

Yes. That is so. Nuclear explosions are designed to convert mass into energy. E=MC2. What Fukushima has been dumping into the ocean is radioactive mass.


17 posted on 08/10/2013 12:51:56 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: null and void

The sum of those nuclear blasts did not put as much radioactive material into the ocean and atmosphere as Fukushima.
Bombs are highly efficient in converting matter into energy - hence the astonishing heat/light/sound display of nuclear explosions.
Fukushima had a few small explosions, nothing on the order of the blasts you show. Less nuclear material was converted into energy - more nuke material flowing into the air, land and ocean.


18 posted on 08/10/2013 12:53:04 PM PDT by ransomnote
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To: maine-iac7; justa-hairyape
Many thanks for the links and info.
Kinda been here before: it rained heavily on England and Scotland in the 36 hours after Chernobyl and deposited a lot of material; at the time, livestock and crops had to be destroyed in mountain areas of Scotland and Northern England; not aware of any evidence of long term effects here in England.
19 posted on 08/10/2013 1:00:48 PM PDT by Mr Radical
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To: ransomnote
Less nuclear material was converted into energy - more nuke material flowing into the air, land and ocean.

And the real big problem is all that mass in the Spent Fuel pools and common spent fuel storage area. The worse case right now is the ground becomes unstable due to liquefaction and the buildings start collapsing from the numerous after shocks they are still having. Then the cooling stops and all that mass catches fire. The site already sunk about 5 to 6 feet from the big quake. And they have admitted the ground water problems. The Japanese themselves have more or less admitted all this recently after winning the last elections. They are slowly letting the truth out now.

20 posted on 08/10/2013 1:04:35 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: Mr Radical

Some claim Chernobyl is what actually bankrupted the old Soviet Union. Japan obviously is in bad shape going into the future. BTW - Do you remember during those Chernobyl rains, did you ever get a metallic taste in your mouth when you were out in the rain ?


21 posted on 08/10/2013 1:09:09 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: ransomnote; justa-hairyape

Highly efficient meaning that only 60% of the U-235 or Plutonium gets converted to energy. The rest? Vaporized, and spread by wind and wave as highly radioactive fallout

Highly efficient meaning that most of the energy escapes as a flood of neutrons that converts the surrounding elements into radioactive isotopes. Which are then vaporized by the heat and spread far and wide by wind and ocean currents as intensely radioactive fallout.

Oh, and when you blast coral with neutrons, you preferentially generate precisely those isotopes that the body takes up easily, sodium, potassium, calcium, phosphorus, oxygen, carbon iodine and the bone seekers cesium and strontium.

Also, that 40% efficiency number? That’s for a well designed and fully optimized (within the limits of modern technology) modern bomb, the pit on the Hiroshima bomb weighed a couple pounds, of which less than the weight of one thin dime was converted to energy. The rest? Down wind as vapor and black rain.

We, that is the Unites state, Soviet Union, China, France and Britain, set off large numbers of above ground nuclear test weapons (and two in an actual shootin’ war) creating vastly more fallout than has escaped from Fukishima.

By your reckoning the downwinders in Nevada, Utah and throughout the Southwest should have all died slow or not so slow horrible deaths by now.

But by all means, don’t let facts interfere with your panic and fear-mongering...


22 posted on 08/10/2013 1:30:26 PM PDT by null and void (Frequent terrorist attacks OR endless government snooping and oppression? Soon we'll have both!)
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To: justa-hairyape
Nuclear explosions are designed to convert mass into energy.

Strangely enough, so is a power plant.

23 posted on 08/10/2013 1:31:37 PM PDT by null and void (Frequent terrorist attacks OR endless government snooping and oppression? Soon we'll have both!)
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To: null and void

Should be only 40% gets converted, 60% gets vaporized.


24 posted on 08/10/2013 1:37:33 PM PDT by null and void (Frequent terrorist attacks OR endless government snooping and oppression? Soon we'll have both!)
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To: Mr Radical
kinda scary. ah wot?

I know, as a conservative, I'm supposed to be 300% for nuclear energy = but they've put the cart before the horse, using this deadly technology before having a safe way to contain it and the waste.

And they've had decades now to develop those - but haven't.

Yet they continually try to outlaw my use of burning wood. (Of course, the feds and their cronies make NO money from me buying wood from a neighbor, do they?

25 posted on 08/10/2013 2:06:14 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (Christian is as Christian does - by their fruits)
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To: null and void

Sadly - downwinders in NV have been lied to and have indeed died off. A FReeper posted to one of his threads that his wife was a downwinder and was about 62 years of age and that she was the last surviving member of her highschool graduating class.

The tactic the US and other countries successfully use is to suppress and deny all culpability until decades later. Then, quietly admit error and pay the much fewer survivors.

Re Downwinders, here’s the US “apology” and settlement for those remaining souls alive to collect settlement money.

I’ll put an excerpt and link below:
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The United States conducted nearly 200 atmospheric nuclear weapons development tests from 1945 t0 1962. Essential to the nation’s nuclear weapons development was uranium mining and processing, which was carried out by tens of thousands of workers. Following the tests’ cessation in 1962 many of these workers filed class action lawsuits alleging exposure to known radiation hazards. These suits were dismissed by the appellate courts. Congress responded by devising a program allowing partial restitution to individuals who developed serious illnesses after exposure to radiation released during the atmospheric nuclear tests or after employment in the uranium industry: the Radiation Exposure Compensation Act (RECA, or the Act), 42 U.S.C. § 2210 note (2006), was passed on October 5, 1990. The Act’s scope of coverage was broadened in 2000.

The Act presents an apology and monetary compensation to individuals who contracted certain cancers and other serious diseases:

following their exposure to radiation released during the atmospheric nuclear weapons tests, or
following their occupational exposure to radiation while employed in the uranium industry during the Cold War arsenal buildup.

http://www.justice.gov/civil/common/reca.html

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Officials told people in Chernobyl that nothing was wrong so they held an outdoor parade in the shadow of the smoldering reactor. They told the populace all was well even while hundreds of people reported to the hospitals around Chernobyl every day. They made it illegal to report deaths as having resulted from radiation for 3 years following the disaster. They said that the fear of radiation was making people ill, not radiation. They tried to repopulate heavily irradiated zones but that didn’t work out well because people sickened “too quickly” from radiation exposure. Many people remaining living in contaminated today zones because there is no where else to live. They raise their children and their grandchildren in zones which cause leukemia and other illnesses. Their children, their grandchildren and following generations will live in this area with high levels of illnesses and immune system suppression (the body is kept busy repairing damage from radiation and can’t fight other illnesses so people die from or suffer with other diseases more often).

When Japan said it has learned “The lessons of Chernobyl” it was, at that time, in the news for forbidding local physicians to treat Fukushima residents without permission. Japan’s officials have prevented children from bringing their own lunches to schools (their parents were obtaining clean sources of food) and compelled them to eat what other children eat. The system of food testing is weak to nonexistent so regrettably the school children were served beef contaminated with very high levels of radioactive cesium. One of their health officials told pregnant women not to worry because those who don’t worry are unharmed by radioactive waste. I’d say Japan HAS learned the lessons of Chernobyl.

5 months after Chernobyl, Wood’s Hole researchers in San Diego sampled 13 tuna and all 13 had traces of radioactive waste from Fukushima in their tissues. It’s been a few years of continuous dumping from Fukushima. Seaweed and animals that eat seaweed are accumulating higher levels of contaminants. Currently there’s alot more Strontium in the waste being dumped into the ocean. That’s bad. According to National Geographic:

“However, the higher concentration of strontium-90 that is now in the outflow poses a trickier problem, because it is a bone-seeking isotope. “Cesium is like salt—it goes in and out of your body quickly,” he explains. “Strontium gets into your bones.” http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/energy/2013/08/130807-fukushima-radioactive-water-leak/

There’s a reason why no insurer will insure an nuke plant in the US. Actually paying for the damage resulting from one failed reactor would bankrupt it. The US is the insurer and as such, does everything it can to deny and delay ever compensating anyone for as long as possible. It’s amazing anyone has ever collected. Japan and other countries are the same way. Yes the people of Japan are being harmed but reports are suppressed. But time will tell because the Japanese are human like everyone else and medical science has proven that even low level radiation is harmful.

The BEIR VII report builds on many years of state of the art research proving that low levels of radiation are harmful. There is no “safe” limit. Low levels increase illness risks too. http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?isbn=030909156X


26 posted on 08/10/2013 2:12:12 PM PDT by ransomnote
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To: ransomnote

RATS! I said “5 months after Chernobyl” when I meant “5 months after Fukushima”

I’ll quote the section corrected here:

5 months after Fukushima, Wood’s Hole researchers in San Diego sampled 13 tuna and all 13 had traces of radioactive waste from Fukushima in their tissues. It’s been a few years of continuous dumping from Fukushima. Seaweed and animals that eat seaweed are accumulating higher levels of contaminants. Currently there’s alot more Strontium in the waste being dumped into the ocean. That’s bad. According to National Geographic:

“However, the higher concentration of strontium-90 that is now in the outflow poses a trickier problem, because it is a bone-seeking isotope. “Cesium is like salt—it goes in and out of your body quickly,” he explains. “Strontium gets into your bones.” http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/energy/2013/08/130807-fukushima-radioactive-water-leak/


27 posted on 08/10/2013 2:14:50 PM PDT by ransomnote
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To: null and void
Let me guess, you were one of those claiming no meltdown for weeks ?

To begin with, Fukushima has been dumping radioactive contamination into the ocean for about 880 days non stop. Japan has not exactly admitted that it has been occurring for that long, only that is has been occurring for awhile and probably since March 2011. The reason, 1,000 tons of groundwater passes under the plant and into the ocean every day. The basements of all the buildings are flooded by this ground water due to earthquake cracks in the foundations. The Japanese government admitted that 300 tons of contaminated water per day was being released. Tepco however claims 400 tons released into the harbor every day but wont admit its contamination. The Japanese government claims 300 tons bypasses the contamination and enters the ocean every day uncontaminated.

This ground water is highly contaminated and recent contamination levels have more then doubled and are rising very quickly. And there is about 20,000 tons of extremely contaminated water on the plant that exists in their drainage canals and tunnels. That water is slowly leaking into the ground water that is leaking out of the plant. The water in that drainage system in some spots is so highly contaminated you get close to 1 Sv/hour just by standing near it. That stuff has been leaking for 880 days. Tepco itself admits that water exists and claims it has been aware of the problem but was unable to do anything about the problem. Tepco told everyone they had stopped that leak early on. You probably remember that leak story with the mysterious hole that looked like someone used a hammer to open.

That is what is happening. So what are the levels of the contamination ? Historically you simply could not trust Tepco or Japan because thier numbers were about a factor of 10 too low. They are now becoming more honest about the situation. Will follow this up with the recent contamination numbers and also address the nuclear bomb issue in more detail later. Got work to do.

28 posted on 08/10/2013 2:50:30 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: maine-iac7
I know, as a conservative, I'm supposed to be 300% for nuclear energy

Not true. If you are pro nuclear, you may not want to admit it, but the Oligarchs have you. Nuclear for the right, is just like AGW for the left. If a leftist is pro AGW, the Oligarchs have em. That is how the cookies crumble. IMHO.

29 posted on 08/10/2013 2:56:38 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: maine-iac7

“look, if you can spare the time from watching “Idol” and “DAncing” - look at some of the other videos in the sidebars? Or you can expend the least amount of your precious time and simply cache the links in this post - for future perusal - maybe you might even want to keep en eye on this?”

I have more important things to do, like interceding for people like you.

http://www.patburt.com/

www.patburt.com


30 posted on 08/10/2013 2:57:57 PM PDT by stars & stripes forever
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To: LucyT; Larousse2; Smokin' Joe; MestaMachine; Rushmore Rocks; Oorang; sweetiepiezer; txnuke; ...
I have been following the Fukushima incident since March 11, 2011. The media blackout is amazing, even more so with the alternative media!

The best all-round source of information on Nuclear and Environmental events worldwide I have found thus far is:

Energy News

Radioactive materials DO NOT DILUTE in the Oceans or the Seas!

Fukushima nuclear waste still leaking into Pacific -the situation can not be contained and it is grave

We need to remember that the corium burning out of control is poisoning the air we breathe.

We are all now downwinders.

31 posted on 08/10/2013 5:50:37 PM PDT by Larousse2 (The price of Freedom is Eternal Vigilance. ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Larousse2

I’ve been following this for two years. Japan and Tepco are FINALLY admitting what they can no longer hide.

Think I will only buy Atlantic fish.


32 posted on 08/10/2013 6:03:38 PM PDT by Rushmore Rocks
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To: Rushmore Rocks; All
Dr. John Apsley discusses with George Noory on Coast To Coast the US Death Rates Increase from Fukishima Fallout:

US Death Rates Increase from Fukishima Fallout

33 posted on 08/10/2013 6:15:27 PM PDT by Larousse2 (The price of Freedom is Eternal Vigilance. ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Larousse2

I think your link may not be working or can you specify what part of the page might have the link? I’ve seen that article before somewhere but don’t know where it is to link it myself.


34 posted on 08/10/2013 6:24:29 PM PDT by ransomnote
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To: ransomnote
Sorry about that!

Try this:

US Death Rates Increase from Fukishima Fallout

35 posted on 08/10/2013 6:31:02 PM PDT by Larousse2 (The price of Freedom is Eternal Vigilance. ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Mr Radical; LucyT; Larousse2; Smokin' Joe; MestaMachine; Rushmore Rocks; Oorang; sweetiepiezer; ...
An eye-opener:

What if the Fukushima nuclear fallout crisis had happened here? - Key in your ZIP code

36 posted on 08/10/2013 6:36:58 PM PDT by Larousse2 (The price of Freedom is Eternal Vigilance. ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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To: null and void
Strangely enough, so is a power plant.

The reactions inside a power plant are tightly controlled and moderated. Not like the nuclear explosions within a nuclear weapon that are out of control.

Here are the mass comparisons. Will use an estimated nuclear fuel mass for Fukishima at around 791 tons roughly. That is only the total in reactors 1-4 which includes the entire spent fuel pool contents. Worse case scenario where everything goes up in 1-4.

Now what is the mass of the nuclear fuel within a nuclear warhead ? The most powerful pure fission bomb used 60 kg of uranium to yield a 500 KTon blast. It was called the Ivy King. Shall we use that as the standard mass of fuel in a warhead exploded in the ocean ? So how many kg are in one ton ? About 907. So the total mass of nuclear fuel in Fukushima 1-4 is equal to roughly the mass of the nuclear fuel found within about 12,000 of our example nuclear warhead. And since a lot of that mass was converted to energy, we could roughly say 791 tons of nuclear fuel is approximately equal to the non-energy converted nuclear fuel in 18,000 warheads.

So lets say Fukushima so far has only given up 4 % of its #1 to #4 inventory. That would be roughly 25-30 tons of fuel. We had three reactors meltdown that contained 257 tons of fuel. And we have had reported fires in the spent fuel pools. Not to mention fuel blasted away in the explosions. Everything eventually ends up in the ocean one way or the other. So we are figuring about 10 % of the reactor fuel of # 1-3, minus what was burned or blasted out of the spent fuel pools of # 1-4. That would give us the nuclear non-energy converted fuel for 720 nuclear warheads, conservatively speaking. And that happened over a 2 1/2 year period. Much quicker then over a few decades.

This was done in haste so please double check if you can.

37 posted on 08/10/2013 6:48:19 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape

Used short tons above, not long tons.


38 posted on 08/10/2013 6:50:19 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape
They have been reported to be 528 total above ground nuclear tests from 1945 to 1996. The ocean tests I think are all classified as above ground and not underground. And many of those above ground tests occurred over ground a longs ways from the ocean.

Table of Known Nuclear Tests Worldwide: 1945-69 | 1970-96

39 posted on 08/10/2013 7:02:53 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: Veto!

http://epa.gov/japan2011/rert/radnet-data-map.html


40 posted on 08/10/2013 7:16:43 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: bgill

And of the dozens or hundreds of predicted deaths; how many have happened?
Read the following:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444772404577589270444059332.html


41 posted on 08/10/2013 7:47:18 PM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (Just wanted to say I hope you great NSA folks are enjoying my posts here.)
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To: justa-hairyape
Your numbers, as far as they go, look to be in the right ballpark.

I still argue that the amount introduced to the larger environment is much lower than from the above ground tests.

The explosions at Fukishima were chemical explosions, mostly hydrogen gas burning to water. They simply weren't hot enough to vaporize any significant amounts of the metals and concrete in the reactor.

By contrast the nuclear explosions happen at such very high temperatures they directly vaporized anything within hundreds of yards, then heavily irradiated that vapor rendering it highly radioactive and and spreading it far and wide. To get an approximate idea of the mass involved, lets assume the average fire ball was 600 meters in diameter (a W-88 at 350kt yield), and it was on rock and soil. That gives a fireball volume of about 375,000 m3. Let's say half the fireball was "wasted" on the air, i.e. a surface blast. That gives a vaporized crater volume of about 185,000m3. Let's further say that the bomb is only about 55% efficient at vaporizing rock, and further de-rate the initial volume vaporized down to 100,000 m3, just for easy math...

Picking an average rock density of 2.5 g/cm3 gives us 2,500,000 g/m3 or 2500 kg or 2.5 metric tons/m3

Times 100,000m3 gives us 250,000 tons of intensely radioactive fallout per blast. Roughly 450 blasts before the test ban treaty in 1962 gives us a billion tons or so.

That's not counting anything sucked in from the surrounding countryside, nor any seawater pouring into the craters, nor any gasses "vented" from numerous underground tests.

That sounds like a lot.

It IS a lot, but we're still here, aren't we?

42 posted on 08/10/2013 8:10:33 PM PDT by null and void (Frequent terrorist attacks OR endless government snooping and oppression? Soon we'll have both!)
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To: null and void

Thanks for bringing a voice of sanity to the hype. And lets not even begin to discuss the natural sources of radioactivity in ocean beds. Oh and that big nuclear explosion happening continuously 93 million miles or so from here. Of course I will not live long enough to appreciate the danger from the Fukashima fallout because I live in Denver - so the daily radioactivity I get from the altitude and the natural radioactive sources around me will get me long before anything else..


43 posted on 08/10/2013 8:20:22 PM PDT by Mom MD (A million people attended Obamas inauguration. 14 of them actually missed work)
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To: Mr Radical

Whether hysterical hype or truth, I hope that this diverts more funds to thorium energy research.


44 posted on 08/10/2013 8:31:19 PM PDT by Kennard
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To: justa-hairyape

Well, Hairyape, I have to say that Japan has surprised me after I thought I was past that.
They are exploring the possibility to turn Fukushima into a tourist destination: http://www.japantoday.com/category/kuchikomi/view/will-no-1-reactor-at-fukushima-become-a-future-tourist-spot


45 posted on 08/10/2013 11:21:05 PM PDT by ransomnote
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To: HereInTheHeartland

The illnesses and deaths are yet unfolding. Cancers take a while to develop and interim deaths will not be reported as such. Radioactive waste suppresses immune functioning so it will look like other unexplained illnesses have risen in the population in the short term.

Russia is shocked that Japan has decided not to relocate citizens living in contaminated zones which, at comparable levels in Russia, were declared permanent evacuation zones. I wish it were possible for Japan to escape the hardships of debility and death but they are human like those studied in Chernobyl and the National Academy of Sciences BEIR VII report. What nuke apologists do is set the bar at ARS (acute radiation sickness - a short term intense illness) and then if people don’t have ARS, declare no harm to human health regardless of how many suffer the host of illnesses that develop over time.


46 posted on 08/10/2013 11:27:45 PM PDT by ransomnote
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To: null and void

You note we are still here - those who died off are indeed not present.
The first time I encountered comparisons between Nagasaki/Hiroshima and Fukukshima, it was in a point for point comparison between the radiation remaining on site after time elapsed. Much more radiation over a larger area is currently present at Fukushima at this point in time compared with nuclear blasts. Some went into the atmosphere to contribute to harmful radiation exposure world wide. But Fukushima has been contributing to atmospheric, land and water contamination freely for over two years now - compare that with the total duration of atomic blasts. Fukushima is worse, unfortunately. Based on medical evidence (e.g., BEIR VII and other studies), we can assume that the overall cancer rate has increased by some degree as a result of loading radioactive contaminates into the atmosphere, land and water.


47 posted on 08/10/2013 11:32:28 PM PDT by ransomnote
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To: Kennard

I don’t know whom to hope will lead any Thorium effort because the Nuclear establishment has embedded cultural issues regardless of where it is located. We will never see anyone accept responsibility for incompetence and mismanagement and the ongoing failure to manage the Fukushima disaster. Whom should we promote as a result of epic deception and failure?


48 posted on 08/10/2013 11:41:59 PM PDT by ransomnote
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To: Mom MD

We do get skin cancer from the sun but it’s a trade off because we also get heat and light that form the basis of life on earth. Incompetent mismanagement and contempt for public safety inherent in the nuclear power industry are not the basis of life on earth - we can do without them.

Natural sources of radiation in the ocean beds are generally not a problem because of their distance from us. Natural sources do contribute minute amounts of risk to human health but they are unavoidable and accepted. Naturally occurring sources of radiation do not excuse the gross incompetence, lies and harm caused by the nuclear power industry and the government propping it up.

Children have been photographed playing on the beaches near Fukushima because the government keeps insisting that all is well - the power company and government are anxious to make it seem like everything is ok. This reminds me of the photos of the smouldering tower of the Chernobyl nuke plant that showed children playing sports in a grassy field in the foreground.

At present, the situation at Fukushima is so bad that even TEPCO is calling it an emergency.


49 posted on 08/10/2013 11:53:11 PM PDT by ransomnote
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To: Mr Radical

I have to wonder if people realize that a massive amount of radioactive fuel is sitting in pools on the upper floors of explosion damaged buildings which rest on land that is in danger of liquifying because of the rise of the radioactive water resulting from containment attempts. People must be able to get to those buildings in order to maintain the flow of cooling water over massive stores of radioactive fuel. If the workers can’t walk through radioactive waste softened ground, if the ground liquifies under the foundations of the damaged buildings holding fuel, if an earthquake damages those pools or shifts the stability of the buildings which rest on softened ground....so much hangs in the balance. Without coolant, those fuel rods will overheat, evaporate and some will melt through the structure - these actions will liberate massive quantities of radioactive fuel. Not only is Fukushima not “over”, but so much more damage hangs in the balance while people sneer about the sun in our solar system being nuclear and everything is just fine...


50 posted on 08/11/2013 12:02:05 AM PDT by ransomnote
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