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Majority of Parents with School-Aged Children Would Feel Safer with Armed Guards at School
National Review Online ^ | August 9, 2013 | Sterling Beard

Posted on 08/10/2013 11:11:53 AM PDT by neverdem

A majority of American parents with grade-school children say they would feel safer if their child attended a school with an armed guard, according to a new Rasmussen poll.

Sixty-two percent of those surveyed said they’d feel safer if their child attended such a school, against only 24 percent who say they’d feel safer if their child went to a school where no adult was allowed to own a gun. Fifteen percent weren’t sure.

The poll comes a week after Arkansas’s attorney general, Democrat Dustin McDaniel, said school districts in his state can’t employ teachers and staff as armed guards on campus because a state board that licenses private security agencies didn’t have the authority to allow them to do so. He did, however, say his ruling wouldn’t stop schools from contracting with private companies or using law enforcement as school-resource officers.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Politics/Elections; US: Arkansas
KEYWORDS: arkansas; banglist; dustinmcdaniel; guncontrol; sandyhook; schoolsecurity; secondamendment

1 posted on 08/10/2013 11:11:53 AM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

I would feel safer. It’s a no-brainer, if we can’t protect our schools and children in them what future is there? Why can’t psychologically tested ex-military snipers be employed and stationed on the school rooftop? If an individual gets out of a vehicle in combat gear carrying guns, drop’em in the parking lot. One shot and no one in the school is endangered.
Ex military get employed, they are professional at hitting targets at a distance, and the kids aren’t exposed to gunfire in the school. Why not?


2 posted on 08/10/2013 11:22:16 AM PDT by ClearBlueSky (When anyone says its not about Islam...it's about Islam. That death cult must be eradicated.)
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To: neverdem

If I were a creepy pedophile, I would be angling for one of those guard jobs.

I don’t like the armed guard idea. It means the schools have lost control of the discipline situation, way back at the early grades.


3 posted on 08/10/2013 11:22:37 AM PDT by married21
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To: neverdem

I would feel safer. It’s a no-brainer, if we can’t protect our schools and children in them what future is there? Why can’t psychologically tested ex-military snipers be employed and stationed on the school rooftop? If an individual gets out of a vehicle in combat gear carrying guns, drop’em in the parking lot. One shot and no one in the school is endangered.
Ex military get employed, they are professional at hitting targets at a distance, and the kids aren’t exposed to gunfire in the school. Why not?


4 posted on 08/10/2013 11:23:05 AM PDT by ClearBlueSky (When anyone says its not about Islam...it's about Islam. That death cult must be eradicated.)
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To: neverdem
This is sure starting to sound crazy! Armed guards in schools?
How about:
Stop the "catch & release" of the criminals & drugged-up lunatics.
Most of these mass school shootings are perpetrated by young, mentally disturbed youth on mind altering meds.
5 posted on 08/10/2013 11:24:14 AM PDT by Minutemen ("It's a Religion of Peace")
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To: neverdem

So the psycho takes out the rent-a-cop first and then moves on to the children.


6 posted on 08/10/2013 11:25:58 AM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: married21

“I don’t like the armed guard idea. It means the schools have lost control of the discipline situation, way back at the early grades.”

I think they’re more worried about an active shooter in the school rather than running in the hallways. :)


7 posted on 08/10/2013 11:36:14 AM PDT by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: goodwithagun

“...So the psycho takes out the rent-a-cop first and then moves on to the children...”
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And your solution would be ... what?


8 posted on 08/10/2013 11:36:55 AM PDT by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: neverdem

I do not like the idea of armed guards at the schools. Who would be oversight? How are we to be assured the new armed guard wont be used in the way the neostasi police are now used? What level of armed guard are we talking about? A single sidearm, or one of these losers that dress up in bullet bouncers and blackhawk industries tacticool regalia?

A large part of me believes in my heart that the powers that are pushing the armed guard stance are wanting to be able to use the guards to control the students out of fear. If a kids gets accused of pissession of pot is mr armed security guard going to “take him out” and stand on his head telling the student he wished he could cane the.student?

Be careful what you guys are wishing for.


9 posted on 08/10/2013 11:46:00 AM PDT by Necrovore (Lu"gen offenbahren Kontrolle)
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To: Necrovore
A large part of me believes in my heart that the powers that are pushing the armed guard stance are wanting to be able to use the guards to control the students out of fear.

Agreed. Indoctrination. Get them used to armed guards at an early age and they won't question armed guards everywhere. So much for freedoms.

10 posted on 08/10/2013 11:59:03 AM PDT by bgill (This reply was mined before it was posted.)
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To: Necrovore

My kids are out of school now, and my grand kids are headed there. I’d like to see armed school police at all the schools. Not just “guards”, but trained police officers. We have them at our high schools, but I’d like to see our elementary and middle schools have them as well, and have the schools as well protected as Israeli schools.

Hell, we pay billions to protect the assholes in DC! We pay hardly anything to protect our most valuable possessions, our children.


11 posted on 08/10/2013 11:59:49 AM PDT by Dogbert41 (Thy Kingdom come!)
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To: neverdem

Another reason for the Separation of School and State.


12 posted on 08/10/2013 12:20:35 PM PDT by YHAOS
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To: YHAOS

I agree 100%-and if armed guards are hired to protect our kids, then we no longer have the right to call this a free coutry-we are a nation of clueless, bleating sheep, and that’s baaaaad...


13 posted on 08/10/2013 12:25:29 PM PDT by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: Repeal The 17th

Qualified teachers conceal carry and the school clearly posts at all entrances that this is the case. Is it tiny Mrs. Smith, the roughneck football coach, or both? Having a security guard simply puts a target on that person’s back, plus they can’t be everywhere all of the time. The security guard is not familiar with the building’s culture and climate, and as a teacher I can assure you that it is almost it’s own little ecosystem so to speak. We can read the kids much better than the guy whose shift it happens to be that day. I know who is and is not supposed to be in the building, the guard does not. And by the way, it is very easy to get into today’s locked down school buildings.


14 posted on 08/10/2013 12:31:55 PM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: Necrovore
Just allowing any CCW-licensed teacher or staff member who wishes to carry on campus would probably be more effective, and cost nothing.

For the very fastidious and fearful, implement some basic training (not necessary in the real world, but probably essential in many states not yet used to the utility of CCW civilians.

"A large part of me believes in my heart that the powers that are pushing the armed guard stance are wanting to be able to use the guards to control the students out of fear."

Not at all. The "PTB" (powers-that-be) are adamantly OPPOSED to the idea (remember, it was originally suggested by that EVIL organization.....the National Rifle Association).

15 posted on 08/10/2013 12:34:38 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: goodwithagun

All of the schools in my county have a sheriff’s deputy assigned there during school hours.

This is not anything new, it was that way long before the Newtown incident.

Our county chose to put that kind of priority value on our children here.


16 posted on 08/10/2013 12:38:38 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: Dogbert41

Sign in front of school;

“Half our staff are trained and carry concealed firearms.

Guess which ones”


17 posted on 08/10/2013 12:39:58 PM PDT by maine yankee (I got my Governor at 'Marden's')
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To: neverdem; verga; SoftballMominVA; shag377

We have Sheriff’s Deputies in our schools. They know the kids and the kids know them.


18 posted on 08/10/2013 12:44:03 PM PDT by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: Gabz

“We have Sheriff’s Deputies in our schools. They know the kids and the kids know them.”

The deputies and the children would be more safe if the deputies are in plainclothes and concealed carry.


19 posted on 08/10/2013 12:48:47 PM PDT by duffee (NO poll tax, NO tax on firearms, ammunition or gun safes. NO gun free zones.)
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To: duffee

I have no problem with having personnel with CCWs carry during school. The only people I personally know that have a problem with that idea do not have children in school.


20 posted on 08/10/2013 12:52:39 PM PDT by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: Minutemen

” Young, mentally disturbed...” THAT is the problem no one wants to face. These mentally disturbed people are KNOWN to those around them and, in the case of the latest school shooting PROTECTED by his family. We are so worried about the rights of the mentally ill that we let them destroy our society with their sickness.
I’m sorry, if my kid was batsh*t crazy I wouldn’t impose him on normal society, insisting that he ‘interact’ like normal children. We need more facilities for schizophrenic individuals to be kept OUT of our streets and schools. Let people who think they can ‘fix’ them form a guarded community and experiment there. I’m damned tired of hearing ‘mental issues’ with ‘problems’ as an explanation why innocent people are dead.


21 posted on 08/10/2013 1:02:41 PM PDT by ClearBlueSky (When anyone says its not about Islam...it's about Islam. That death cult must be eradicated.)
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To: Repeal The 17th

I hope it works and he or she doesn’t become the psycho’s first victim.


22 posted on 08/10/2013 2:21:00 PM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: neverdem

If they are not going to let me have one myself, then the armed guards idea isn’t a bad one. As it is, we have two SROs on the campus, which in my opinion is inadequate but better than nothing.


23 posted on 08/10/2013 2:37:36 PM PDT by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: Gabz; neverdem; verga; SoftballMominVA

We have two SRO’s on staff at all times not to mention I teach in rural S. Georgia. I *promise* you at any given time there is a student/teacher/para/coach with a gun on campus in a vehicle.

We routinely took guns to school when I was younger - someone had a dove shoot that afternoon or we were going hunting.

I am of mixed emotions about letting teachers carry; I would not myself although I do carry outside of school.

That said, it is only a matter of time before the rabid, anti-school, “don’t post to me even though I insult you”, homeschooling is perfect and flawless crowd comes on board to ruin any positive discussion on the thread.


24 posted on 08/10/2013 3:34:23 PM PDT by shag377 (Don't get mad at me when I play your game by your rules, and I win.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Thanks neverdem.


25 posted on 08/10/2013 4:50:17 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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To: ClearBlueSky
I'm horrified that armed guards are even considered....its just insane....

don't our kids have enough to worry about?...

if our schools aren't safe from murdering imbeciles....btw, they ARE safe......then CLOSE THE DANG THINGS DOWN....keep your kids at home and home school....

we don't need armed cops everywhere...

next, we'll have them in our churches....

we're becoming more and more a police state.....

I want FATHERS to be in school...wandering around the school, making a presence...I trust fathers more than I would having armed cops.....

26 posted on 08/10/2013 4:58:57 PM PDT by cherry
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To: shag377
I am of mixed emotions about letting teachers carry; I would not myself although I do carry outside of school.

After the Paducah shooting that several colleagues and I were asked to consider carrying in school and watching the doors. Each of us had CCW permits and military training.

We met with the Superintendent and the Asst Super. to discuss responsibilities and liability insurance. Fortunately we never had to take that step and we were all relieved.

27 posted on 08/10/2013 5:32:04 PM PDT by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: Gabz

“I have no problem with having personnel with CCWs carry during school. The only people I personally know that have a problem with that idea do not have children in school.”

I agree, school personnel with CCWs would be my first choice. I now have grandchildren in schools. No one is safe in a gun free zone.


28 posted on 08/10/2013 6:38:32 PM PDT by duffee (NO poll tax, NO tax on firearms, ammunition or gun safes. NO gun free zones.)
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To: cherry

All the more reason for the armed citizen.


29 posted on 08/10/2013 6:40:30 PM PDT by duffee (NO poll tax, NO tax on firearms, ammunition or gun safes. NO gun free zones.)
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To: neverdem

Speaking of schools and guns, anybody know of lawsuits filed yet in sandy hook? One was filed to get it on the web but then withdrawn.... any others or is this just too soon for parents to sue .. especially since gun control is more important to them....


30 posted on 08/10/2013 10:42:17 PM PDT by delchiante
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To: delchiante

I think they want a class action suit against the school district or gun manufacturer or something. I don’t think they can get enough families on board (yet).

How do anti-gunners blame the school when it was a gun free zone, which is what they want-right?


31 posted on 08/10/2013 10:46:49 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: neverdem
...against only 24 percent who say they’d feel safer if their child went to a school where no adult was allowed to own a gun.

IOW - they feel safer when only the bad guys will have guns...Too bad they aren't astute enough to realize that a policy only applies to the good guys.

32 posted on 08/11/2013 3:30:23 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: shag377

How dare you open your mouth, you overpaid and underworked big government union stooge! /sarc.


33 posted on 08/11/2013 4:47:59 AM PDT by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: GenXteacher; Gabz; neverdem; verga; shag377

We’ve had a SRO at the schools in our county since I’ve taught there - over 15 years.

However, I like the idea of CCW for teachers who WANT to be able to do that. Personally, I’d be pretty useless with a gun, but there are several people in our school who have military or police service.


34 posted on 08/11/2013 8:02:31 AM PDT by SoftballMominVA
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