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Why Liz Cheney Would Drag Wyoming—And The Senate—To The Left
TPM | 7/18/2013 | Brian Beutler

Posted on 08/10/2013 3:06:59 PM PDT by Nervous Tick

The way D.C. political operatives are reacting to the news that Liz Cheney is challenging Sen. Mike Enzi in the Wyoming GOP primary, you’d think the Republican Party had another Sharron Angle on their hands — someone so much more conservative and rhetorically unrestrained than the incumbent or establishment candidate that she wins the primary only to lose a winnable general election race by a wide margin.

Well, Cheney is famously unrestrained. But that’s about where the similarities end. Wyoming is so deep red that the winner of the GOP primary will sail through the general, no matter who it is. And though no one doubts her conservatism, there’s a decent argument to make that Sen. Liz Cheney would actually move Wyoming and the Senate to the left.

Enzi has been an extraordinarily conservative senator, in the tradition of the Mountain West. He has a zero percent NARAL rating, a 93 percent lifetime rating from the American Conservative Union and an 86 percent lifetime rating from the Club for Growth.

Enzi’s track record alone would make it difficult for anyone to outflank him on the right, let alone build a Senate record that is as or more conservative. But in Cheney’s case, despite all her bombast and her famous last name, her previous public positions already show she is less absolutist on social issues than Enzi and no more conservative than him on a range of fiscal and governance issues.

Enzi has strayed occasionally. He angered anti-tax absolutists in his party by supporting parochial legislation to allow states to collect sales taxes for online purchases. And he joined with all but the very most conservative members of the Senate GOP conference to vote for fiscal cliff legislation, which made most of the Bush tax cuts permanent, but allowed them to expire for income above $400,000.

Cheney can attack him from the right on the former, but will eat her own words on the latter. “I think that the potential damage done by going off the fiscal cliff is so significant, that I would hope that even in the town that is very divided right now, people will be able to come together to avoid it,” she said on Fox News in November of last year.

Beyond that, though, it’s hard to find daylight between the two, except on the issues where Cheney appears to be more liberal.

Enzi voted against both tranches of disaster relief for victims of Hurricane Sandy. He voted against legislation to suspend the debt limit earlier this year.

But he’s also voted against social legislation touching on issues where Cheney has staked out fairly liberal views.

He voted against reauthorizing a more expansive Violence Against Women Act, which extended its protections to immigrants, tribal communities, and same sex partners. He voted against repealing Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell. Recently, as a senior member and former chairman of the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee, he voted against the Employment Non-Discrimination Act, which cleared the panel on a bipartisan basis.

Cheney by contrast has said gay marriage should be left to the states, and that “freedom means freedom for everyone,” suggesting she personally supports it. Her views on abortion are unclear.

All of which suggests Republicans in Washington are annoyed by something other than Cheney’s hyper-conservatism. It may be loyalty to Enzi. Or the desire to avoid an ugly primary fight involving a candidate with the last name Cheney. Perhaps it’s her penchant for engaging in extreme rhetoric.

But though her rhetoric might make her seem farther right than the soft-spoken Enzi, there are decent reasons to think she’s actually more liberal than he is.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Wyoming; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: abortion; cheney2014; deathpanels; enzi; leftists; lizcheney; mikeenzi; obamacare; onlinesalestaxes; randsconcerntrolls; waronterror; wy2014; wyoming; zerocare
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Ordinarily I wouldn't even think of posting anything from the commies at TPM. However I ran across this interesting piece while researching where Liz Cheney actually stands on the issues -- there's a dearth of answers to that important question from Ms. Cheney herself, so you pretty much have to rely on commentary from others.

The fact that TPM is a liberal rag, and seems to prefer Cheney over Enzi, really hammers home the point that Liz Cheney is at best an enigma, and at worst, an empty pantsuit with money, name recognition, ambition -- and some disturbing leftist tendencies.

1 posted on 08/10/2013 3:06:59 PM PDT by Nervous Tick
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To: Fiji Hill; NVDave

Possibly of interest to you.


2 posted on 08/10/2013 3:08:22 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: Nervous Tick

It would make Thanksgiving awkward, but her father should come out against her and endorse her opponent. Yes, she’s very, very liberal.


3 posted on 08/10/2013 3:12:05 PM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: Nervous Tick

How many terms is a politician entitled to?

I say a maximum of two. They get too entrenched after that.


4 posted on 08/10/2013 3:17:41 PM PDT by EricT. (Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength. Big brother is watching you.)
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To: EricT.

>> How many terms is a politician entitled to?

Entitled to? Zero. That applies to Cheney, too, you know.


5 posted on 08/10/2013 3:21:43 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: Nervous Tick

Do you consider a national internet sales tax leftist? TPM is just engaging in a little psyops here. Sowing division amongst conservatives.

Like McConnell, Enzi is an old school beltway dealmaker ready to sell out Main Street if the price is right. It’s best for conservatives to get off that train ASAP. The beltway GOP needs to earn our support. They can do that by engaging the Dems and vigorously opposing the Dem agenda. Until red state Senators step up and do that they do not deserve our support. Primary them all.


6 posted on 08/10/2013 3:34:32 PM PDT by lodi90
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To: Gen.Blather

It would make Thanksgiving awkward, but her father should come out against her and endorse her opponent. Yes, she’s very, very liberal.


Dick Cheney is a first class RINO/Globalist. He’d endorse her in a New World Order minute.


7 posted on 08/10/2013 3:35:30 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: Nervous Tick

Looks like Enzi can breathe a little easier. He has the endorsement of two prominent conservative Republicans, Susan Collins and John McCain.


8 posted on 08/10/2013 3:35:37 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: EricT.
> How many terms is a politician entitled to?

Two terms - one in office and one in penitentiary.

9 posted on 08/10/2013 3:38:06 PM PDT by CardCarryingMember.VastRightWC (If my kids make a mistake in the voting booth, I don't want them punished with a community organizer)
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To: Nervous Tick

No more Nepotism. I’m not voting for anymore relatives, descendants , in laws of any political family. We must get rid of this trend , we’re headed down the path of the late Roman Republic, where only a handful of patrician families could be Consul.


10 posted on 08/10/2013 3:45:07 PM PDT by Kozak ("Send them back your fierce defiance! Stamp upon the cursed alliance! To arms, to arms.....")
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To: cotton1706; Impy; GeronL; ansel12; BillyBoy; Clintonfatigued; AuH2ORepublican

*ping*


11 posted on 08/10/2013 3:47:00 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: Nervous Tick

Is there nobody else to take down Enzi? Preferably not a carpet-bagger? The guy’s fundraising has been terrible. He shouldn’t be too hard to bring down.


12 posted on 08/10/2013 3:47:30 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: Nervous Tick

She might be another Scott Brown


13 posted on 08/10/2013 3:48:07 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: Kozak; USS Johnston

We must get rid of this trend , we’re headed down the path of the late Roman Republic, where only a handful of patrician families could be Consul.


We’re already there. But today we’re in a Fascist Oligarchy/Soviet style Nomenklatura. Elites run the show and it’s now all a big game to keep fooling the masses of fools. New World Order is the name of the game and they’re knocking down the USA to implement it. The US military is now a tool to protect the special interests who are implementing the NWO.


14 posted on 08/10/2013 3:50:00 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: laplata

Now they just need to invite the barbarians in to finish us like the Romans


15 posted on 08/10/2013 3:51:31 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: GeronL

Si, Senor! Eso es que estan haciendo.


16 posted on 08/10/2013 3:53:18 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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17 posted on 08/10/2013 4:05:59 PM PDT by RedMDer (http://www.dontfundobamacare.com/)
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To: Nervous Tick

For years this radical has supported and promoted the homosexual agenda, yet never revealed a pro-life position.

Liz has supported homosexualizing the military and State department, gay marriage, is against a constitutional amendment to protect marriage, while also opposing DOMA and rejoicing at the end of DADT.

This Romney supporting chick was clear on her gay agenda, while never revealing a pro-life position.


18 posted on 08/10/2013 4:07:51 PM PDT by ansel12 ( The difference between libertarianism and conservatism is radical social leftism, not economics)
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To: Kozak
No more Nepotism. I’m not voting for anymore relatives, descendants , in laws of any political family. We must get rid of this trend , we’re headed down the path of the late Roman Republic, where only a handful of patrician families could be Consul.

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Agreed.

19 posted on 08/10/2013 4:13:02 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: ansel12

Liz needs to be dropped into Syria to help the po’ Free Syrians gain some of that good old NeoCon Democracy, then she should run for office in VA!


20 posted on 08/10/2013 4:14:06 PM PDT by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: Nervous Tick

If one supports gay “marriage” then one can’t support freedom because gay rights activists seek to impose their lifestyle on people who don’t agree it.

Is Enzi really a Conservative? I question that.


21 posted on 08/10/2013 4:15:08 PM PDT by RginTN
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To: RginTN

Enzi is more conservative than Liz Cheney.


22 posted on 08/10/2013 4:41:56 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: Nervous Tick
Entitled to? Zero. That applies to Cheney, too, you know.

Agreed. Every person trying to gain power over his or her fellow citizen should be regarded with suspicion and loathing.

23 posted on 08/10/2013 4:47:33 PM PDT by EricT. (Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength. Big brother is watching you.)
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To: Nervous Tick
Enzi has strayed occasionally. He angered anti-tax absolutists in his party by supporting parochial legislation to allow states to collect sales taxes for online purchases.

FWIW, he only recently joined the "Tea Party" after being challenged by Liz.......Where was he back in 2010?

I can't see much difference between Enzi and Cheney other than the fact that he's already an 18 year career Washington suckup.......

Time to finish cleaning house of all these OLD bastards and send a fresh crop of youngsters to Washington who can actually relate to the rest of us.......

24 posted on 08/10/2013 5:01:17 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (')
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To: Gen.Blather
Yes, she’s very, very liberal.

Where's your proof in that statement?

25 posted on 08/10/2013 5:02:41 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (')
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To: RginTN

Enzi is not a conservative, even on the homosexual issue. He was one of the only Republicans to support letting homosexuals donate blood again. As one Freeper noted, “you first, senator Enzi”

Unfortunately, we might be stuck with him, because Cheney is further left.


26 posted on 08/10/2013 5:05:25 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: RginTN
National Journal:

The Senate's Most Conservative Member: Ever Heard of Him?

Enzi is 8th with an 87.8 score.
27 posted on 08/10/2013 5:07:08 PM PDT by TomGuy (.)
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To: Hot Tabasco

I can’t see much difference between Enzi and Cheney other than the fact that he’s already an 18 year career Washington suckup.......


Liz has ties to DC that go back longer than that. Her husband, her dad, etc.


28 posted on 08/10/2013 5:10:25 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: Hot Tabasco

>> send a fresh crop of youngsters to Washington who can actually relate to the rest of us.......

I guess the “rest of you” “youngsters” look with fawning favor upon state-endorsed fudgepacking. As does Liz.


29 posted on 08/10/2013 5:17:21 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: laplata
Liz has ties to DC that go back longer than that. Her husband, her dad, etc.

So who's been influenced most by the Washington lobbyists, Enzi, an 18 year U.S. Senator or Liz Cheney, who hasn't ever held an elected office?

30 posted on 08/10/2013 5:17:55 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (')
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To: Hot Tabasco

I want people who can relate to the Constitution, Bill of Rights and America’s heritage


31 posted on 08/10/2013 5:18:22 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: Fiji Hill

there ya go!


32 posted on 08/10/2013 5:24:12 PM PDT by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: Nervous Tick
"Wyoming is so deep red that the winner of the GOP primary will sail through the general, "

The only "red" county (0bama majority) in Wyoming is Teton County.

"Home" of Cheney.

33 posted on 08/10/2013 5:57:34 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Hot Tabasco

See post 18, Cheney is as hard left as they come, in some most important ways.


34 posted on 08/10/2013 6:09:53 PM PDT by ansel12 ( The difference between libertarianism and conservatism is radical social leftism, not economics)
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To: Hot Tabasco

Liz has ties to DC that go back longer than that. Her husband, her dad, etc.

So who’s been influenced most by the Washington lobbyists, Enzi, an 18 year U.S. Senator or Liz Cheney, who hasn’t ever held an elected office?


Influenced more by lobbyists would be Enzi. But I said her “ties” go back further. She’s as much an “insider” as anyone in DC. And you might want to check out her husband.

Sorry to say that they’re all beholden to special interests now.


35 posted on 08/10/2013 6:14:39 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: lodi90

>> Like McConnell, Enzi is an old school beltway dealmaker

And Cheney is a “new school” anything-goes faggot lover.

Clue in. Once Cheney perceives that mexicans will get her re-elected, she’ll be pro-amnesty.

Once she perceives that Sandra Fluke chicks will give her a boost in the polls, she’ll be pro-abort.

Once she perceives that mooselimbs will give her that needed edge, she’ll become anti Israel, anti Christian.

Whatever it takes for the politically ambitious carpetbagger is what the carpetbagger will do. She has no moral compass.


36 posted on 08/10/2013 6:39:58 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: Nervous Tick

I can’t wait to go after Liz Cheney in ads. I am so sick of the despicable Bush Clan.


37 posted on 08/10/2013 7:12:53 PM PDT by montag813 (NO AMNESTY * ENFORCE THE LAW * http://StandWithArizona.com)
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To: Nervous Tick

I would support Liz if she ran in a state like Virginia. She is running in a state that already has a conservative Senator...this is not helpful.

She will not get my money.


38 posted on 08/10/2013 7:24:45 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: SoFloFreeper

I would not support her under any circumstances. I am tired... I am done with “compromising” my beliefs.


39 posted on 08/10/2013 7:25:58 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: montag813

Yep.

It was sickening when GHW Bush went to the White House a few weeks ago and kissed up to Obama, an avowed enemy of the USA.


40 posted on 08/10/2013 7:47:15 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: Nervous Tick

Liz Cheney has made a big mistake in running against an incumbent Republican, when she could has run against a Democrat incumbent in her old state of Virginia.

She will lose the primary race and then we will never hear from her against.

It is a shame since she is articulate and attractive in her convictions as a Republican candidate.

imho.


41 posted on 08/10/2013 7:53:10 PM PDT by rawhide
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To: TomGuy

That list has Orrin Hatch as the 10th most conservative. So you can take it for what it’s worth.


42 posted on 08/10/2013 7:59:25 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: Nervous Tick

Thank you.

As the article points out, and as I’ve been saying, Enzi is more conservative than Cheney will be.

I think the vote against the “Violence Against Women” act took real balls, but it is the true small-government, conservative position.

Voting against disaster relief bills bloated with earmarks and pork is the conservative position.

Enzi has made some dubious votes - creating Medicare Part D, for example. But there’s NO evidence of any type where we might see how Cheney would vote on these issues, the only thing she’s flapped her yap about is the foreign policy issues. On that, she’s clearly a NWO interventionist, a neo-con meddler in the middle east, etc.

And I don’t know about you, but I’ve had more than enough of the neo-cons. The red diaper Jews (like Bill Kristol, Cheney’s co-founder of Keeping America Safe) who want to keep the US meddling in the middle east for the interests of Israel can go peddle their crap to the Democrats, as far as I’m concerned.


43 posted on 08/10/2013 8:29:34 PM PDT by NVDave
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To: Paladin2

“The only “red” county (0bama majority) in Wyoming is Teton County.”

Do you have your colors right? I was under the impression that a Zero majority county is colored blue and that normal people live in counties that are colored red.

Please don’t tell me that the Socialist Lexicographers are effing around with the language again. It will make my head explode which gives me terrible headaches.


44 posted on 08/10/2013 8:45:30 PM PDT by Postman (Flies get too litle credit. Boehner gets too much.)
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To: ansel12
I think you have nailed it. Re-elect Enzi.

Let me add that Liz's dad was Gerald Ford's Chief of Staff.

45 posted on 08/10/2013 11:09:06 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society: Rack 'em, Danno)
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To: fieldmarshaldj; cotton1706; Impy; GeronL; ansel12; BillyBoy; Clintonfatigued; AuH2ORepublican

The 3 or 4 freepers endorsing Liz Cheney will soon be responding with a “devastating breaking news” thread that “RINO Obama pal Mike Enzi once picked his nose in the third grade!!”


46 posted on 08/10/2013 11:41:11 PM PDT by BillyBoy (Liz Cheney's family supports gay marriage. Do you?)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Doesn’t she live in Virginia?

WTH is she doing, following in Hillary’s footsteps? Her Parents live in Wyoming. I guess Carpetbaggers come from both Parties.

She should be going after a Democrat Seat where she really lives. We need to add Republicans to the Senate, not eat our own without gaining ground.


47 posted on 08/11/2013 12:01:56 AM PDT by Kickass Conservative (They can follow the Communist, I'll follow the Constitution...)
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To: SoFloFreeper

BINGO!! She SHOULD have rub against the DEMOCRAT in her state of VIRGINIA!!!! She thinks she can stroll into Wyoming and be crowned!!!


48 posted on 08/11/2013 5:02:43 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion......the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Nervous Tick

You are letting your hatred of Cheney/Bush/faggotry color your opinion of Enzi. The man is a go along get a long fossil dirt bag “conservative” beltway deal maker.

Our nation has been under assault by rampaging marxists and the only thing Enzi has led the charge on is an internet sales tax. Think about that.

We simply must remove and/or scare the heck out these red state GOP squishes if we are to have any chance of conservatives increasing their influence in the GOP.


49 posted on 08/11/2013 6:46:29 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: lodi90

>> We simply must remove and/or scare the heck out these red state GOP squishes

By replacing them with EVEN WORSE squishes?

That sounds like a terrible plan to me.

By the way, I don’t hate Liz Cheney, although what she’s doing I consider reprehensible.

I don’t know how you compute that I “hate Bush”, since I haven’t mentioned him.

What’s more, I don’t hate fags. I hate fagGOTRY and the fag LOBBY. Big, big difference.


50 posted on 08/11/2013 10:17:52 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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