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Russia Invites U.S. To A 'Tank Biathlon'
NPR ^ | August 10, 2013 | Melisa Goh

Posted on 08/11/2013 5:49:31 AM PDT by Gorilla44

Russia has invited the U.S. to participate in a tank biathlon so that both nations may learn to play nice — with heavy artillery.

The invitation was apparently extended while Secretary of State John Kerry and Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel Sergei Lavrov and Sergei Shoigu in Washington on Friday. The "two-on-two" talks were intended to relieve some of the tension between the two countries, so the suggestion of a little friendly competition — under fire — wasn't out of place.

Defense Minister Shoigu repeated the invitation during a Friday press conference, and according to Russia's , Shoigu says the U.S. agreed.

"'We've invited our American colleagues to participate ... and our invitation was accepted by US Secretary of Defense [Chuck] Hagel,' Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said Saturday."

NPR can't confirm this — calls to the Department of Defense went unanswered Saturday — but if such an event does take place, Shoigu says it'll be sometime next year.

(Excerpt) Read more at npr.org ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: johnkerry; kerry; putin; tanks
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Might as well have some fun while we go bankrupt.
1 posted on 08/11/2013 5:49:31 AM PDT by Gorilla44
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To: Gorilla44

I’d buy tickets to a tank biathlon. Sounds a lot cooler than the regular biathlon (which is actually pretty grueling, if not terribly exciting).


2 posted on 08/11/2013 5:51:04 AM PDT by Little Pig (Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici.)
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To: Little Pig

I’d order it on PPV.


3 posted on 08/11/2013 5:53:11 AM PDT by miliantnutcase
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To: Gorilla44

Now the Russians are toying with the the weak Americans. They know they have Obama on the ropes so just for the fun of it they challenge the US to something the US will turn down as being “too militant”, too violent and nasty, too not-reset oriented and only for bullies.

Of course the Russkies will laugh, tip a few shots of Vodka and call Obama a “homo” - all in good fun mind you...


4 posted on 08/11/2013 5:55:08 AM PDT by Netz
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To: Gorilla44

No, tanks.


5 posted on 08/11/2013 5:56:01 AM PDT by LurkingSince1943 (Former War Criminal)
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To: Gorilla44

As soon as Obama heard, “bi,” he was all for it.


6 posted on 08/11/2013 5:57:02 AM PDT by dinodino
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To: Gorilla44

Now Barry will beat the bushes for a homosexual tank commander...


7 posted on 08/11/2013 5:57:55 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Gorilla44
Back in the day, on a smaller course, this was a regular thing with the NATO forces - the Canadian Army Trophy. It's good training all around.
8 posted on 08/11/2013 6:00:59 AM PDT by glorgau
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To: Gorilla44

Destitute and dying old mother Russia is beating the crap out of Obama and the world titters at the disgrace.

Kerry was called out, challenged to a duel. Taking his lace handkerchief from his sleeve and waving it about, Kerry wondered aloud, who will be our seconds for this duel?

Kerry however is no Scarlet Pimpernel, he really is a fop


9 posted on 08/11/2013 6:01:31 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Travon... Felony assault and battery hate crime)
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To: Gorilla44

Sounds like a classic case of my d!!k is bigger than yours.


10 posted on 08/11/2013 6:04:06 AM PDT by markoman (The man with the rubber glove was....surprisingly gentle.)
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To: Gorilla44

The Russians are attempting to prove their latest tanks are more than a match for the Abrams. GD’s Abrams upgrade contracts have all been cancelled due to the fact the Army isn’t using the Abrams in Afghanistan. The Army is attempting to retire the tank but Congress won’t let them. This tank affair would be bad publicity for the US.


11 posted on 08/11/2013 6:04:42 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: glorgau

Also note that the 3rd place finisher in the 1981 competition was 1-32 Armor - the “Elvis Presley” battalion. Elvis is wearing the regimental crest on the cover of his “GI Blues” album.


12 posted on 08/11/2013 6:07:30 AM PDT by glorgau
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To: markoman

...... if Obama actually shows his member, his base will explode in Peace Peace Peace at any cost wrath

There can be no such contest because the member must remain carefully zipped up and never never exposed

Russia wins by forfeit


13 posted on 08/11/2013 6:08:12 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Travon... Felony assault and battery hate crime)
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To: glorgau
Also found this Canadian Army Trophy Shoot Grafenwoehr . Nice late 80s "state of the art" gunnery.
14 posted on 08/11/2013 6:16:23 AM PDT by glorgau
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To: Tennessee Nana


15 posted on 08/11/2013 6:17:55 AM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Gen.Blather

Is there a successor to Abrams out there? I haven’t kept up with armor stuff in a long time. Granted the most I ever did in that area was a lowly 19K in a NG outfit.


16 posted on 08/11/2013 6:19:40 AM PDT by wally_bert (There are no winners in a game of losers. I'm Tommy Joyce, welcome to the Oriental Lounge.)
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To: bert

I can see Dukakis leading the charge in the spear head tank.


17 posted on 08/11/2013 6:23:15 AM PDT by Mouton (108th MI Group.....68-71)
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To: Gorilla44

Sounds like a good way to find out your enemies weakness.


18 posted on 08/11/2013 6:24:13 AM PDT by Venturer ( cowardice posturing as tolerance =political correctness)
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To: Gorilla44; Little Pig; miliantnutcase; Netz; LurkingSince1943; dinodino; Tennessee Nana; ...

I’ve seen it once some 5 years ago in Nizhniy Tagil. A local tank builders’ union team toasted either army and rival south Siberian Omsktransmash tank&railcar company’s teams at the time. A lot of fun, a kind of Russian NASCAR. In one of the events earlier army had an American exchange driver from Torgau program on T-80.


19 posted on 08/11/2013 6:24:36 AM PDT by cunning_fish
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To: Gorilla44

I’m beginning to like that Putin cad...


20 posted on 08/11/2013 6:28:25 AM PDT by dps.inspect (rage against the Obama machine...)
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To: Gorilla44

21 posted on 08/11/2013 6:29:41 AM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: Gorilla44

Putin can drive the Russian tank, and the Fairy King can drive the US tank.

That would be interesting.


22 posted on 08/11/2013 6:30:21 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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To: wally_bert

“Is there a successor to Abrams out there?”

Oshkosh, AM General and Force Protection each spent 1.5 billion of their own money and developed force projection vehicles on 6 ton chassis. Those are the replacements.

The problem with the tank is its logistics and the difficulty of getting it to the battle unless you’re in Europe with roads or the desert. It was useless in Afghanistan. The tank’s voracious fuel appetite means that any offensive operation must have a long line of unarmored, unprotected tankers running behind it. With Hezbollah and Hamas getting RPV’s we can no longer be guaranteed absolute air supremacy. (They’re sometimes too small to see, but they could still, potentially, take out a tanker.)


23 posted on 08/11/2013 6:35:21 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: Gorilla44
We know that Kerry is a veteran of combat by his own admission he served both in Vietnam and Cambodia. He fought valiantly for the Communists in both theaters and while in Congress fought the United States of America for years.
24 posted on 08/11/2013 6:38:03 AM PDT by sport
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To: Gen.Blather
No, no, no, that costs Money and BHO said we need to spend all that cash on Muslim outreach.

Who cares if the military is unprepared for the next generation of combat, the important thing is that BHO looks great strutting accross Leno’s stage...

25 posted on 08/11/2013 6:44:41 AM PDT by Netz
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To: Gorilla44

Imagine if a conflict broke out on the ‘gaming grounds’.


26 posted on 08/11/2013 6:46:17 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Gorilla44

We had our tank biathlon in Iraq. As I recall,entire divisions of Iraqi Russian tanks were decimated in short order, some even by Bradley fighting vehicles.

Pointless.


27 posted on 08/11/2013 6:50:20 AM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (Free goodies for all -- Freedom for none.)
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To: Gen.Blather

Well, that will be just perfect next time we are attacked by the Afghanis.

Meanwhile, what is the plan for fighting a real army on some other battlefield? I suppose that isn’t supposed to happen any more and all tanks are obsolete?


28 posted on 08/11/2013 6:57:23 AM PDT by Sequoyah101
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To: Gorilla44

How about a reenactment of the Battle of Kursk?


29 posted on 08/11/2013 6:58:43 AM PDT by windsorknot (>>>)
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To: Gorilla44

A must see.

Macho Man vs. Sissy-Boy

Putin vs Obama

http://www.tomatobubble.com/putin_obama.html


30 posted on 08/11/2013 6:58:47 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: Gorilla44

Hmmmmm, I was thinking, the odds would be more Russian Tanks vs fewer American Tanks. Maybe we could put in a German Crew, they wrote the book on fighting against greater numbers. Then again if you really want action, get a Polish crew, they’ll do it for fun.


31 posted on 08/11/2013 7:00:24 AM PDT by Bringbackthedraft (Remember Ty Woods? Glenn Doherty ? Forgot already?)
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To: Gen.Blather

Tanks? Tanks are 20th century warfare.

A smart bomb (aerial or ground launched) costs a smidgen of what a tricked-out tank costs. Bye bye tank.


32 posted on 08/11/2013 7:00:33 AM PDT by citizen (We get the government we choose. America either voted for Obama or handed it to him by not voting.)
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To: Gorilla44

33 posted on 08/11/2013 7:01:53 AM PDT by JoeProBono (Mille vocibus imago valet;-{)
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To: Gorilla44
Cool, Top Shot for Tanks. That's the spirit.

Putin's into Judo and probably enjoys sparring quite a bit. This sounds like fun and is way better than duking it out for real.

Then we party hearty after and loser pays the bar tab. Sounds like a great weekend!
(Let's do it at their place. Those Russian girls don't look like tractors anymore.)

34 posted on 08/11/2013 7:05:15 AM PDT by GBA (Our obamanation: Romans 1:18-32)
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To: Gorilla44
Let's invite Rooskies to combat shooting competitions.
35 posted on 08/11/2013 7:11:56 AM PDT by Jabba the Nutt (The Stupid Party, they've earned it.)
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To: JoeProBono


36 posted on 08/11/2013 7:12:17 AM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: cunning_fish
Armour and Vodka... what a combination, sounds like my kind of party! sorta like alcohol, tobacco and firearms 8^)
37 posted on 08/11/2013 7:22:33 AM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Gorilla44
In a d!ck measuring contest with Putin, the Kenyan loses every time!

The Russkies are just having fun poking this effete Administration and showing them up for the weak pussies they are.

Of course, we know who always wins that d!ck measuring contest between the Dems and the feckless GOP. So at least we will have our "best" team in there.

38 posted on 08/11/2013 7:23:22 AM PDT by Gritty (This war against Islamism is being lost because it cannot even be acknowledged- Mark Steyn)
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To: Gorilla44

If the Russians offered this, it means they’ve been preparing for some time. This isn’t some friendly little competition. This is about selling tanks around the world and knocking us. You notice they didn’t ask for this when Bush was President. The Russians will use “Ringer” crews and they will cheat. The Americans should require that the crews and vehicles be chosen from regular units the day before the competition. And your competitor chooses for you. We played by the rules for years in the CAT competition and never won. We finally made it a priority and then we cleaned up. The Russians, after DESERT STORM, really have nothing to lose in this. Their tanks are already viewed as being subpar. The Americans better play to win.


39 posted on 08/11/2013 7:26:09 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

As a tank commander in Israeli Army with a combat experience and knowledge how to operate M60,Merkava,Centurion and T-62,I can advise you not to compare arab tank crews with Russian tank crews. Iraqi army operated old tanks with a minimally trained crews. Abrams is a very good tank but most of the gun battles in Iraq was long range fighting and against targets that, mostly, never fired back. Generally quality of the weapon and crew training is a major factor but when you face multiple targets that return fire, it’s not an easy task. Every tank have a weak point of entry, Abrams included.


40 posted on 08/11/2013 7:34:13 AM PDT by QQQQ
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To: Sequoyah101

“Meanwhile, what is the plan for fighting a real army on some other battlefield?”

Several issues here. The Army had developed plans for the probable wars. (They’re almost always wrong as they’re based on the last war.) But I don’t believe there are any major tank wars projected. That may be one issue. Another is that Israel went into Lebanon with tanks and got their ass handed to them by shoulder fired missiles. (They did it stupidly, but that’s beside the point.) The tanks cost 45 million a copy and missiles cost $10,000 each. It’s a bad trade. Also, air and fire/forget weaponry has tremendously advanced. (That’s it in a nutshell.)


41 posted on 08/11/2013 7:35:07 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: blueunicorn6

>>>If the Russians offered this, it means they’ve been preparing for some time. This isn’t some friendly little competition. This is about selling tanks around the world and knocking us. You notice they didn’t ask for this when Bush was President. The Russians will use “Ringer” crews and they will cheat. The Americans should require that the crews and vehicles be chosen from regular units the day before the competition. And your competitor chooses for you. We played by the rules for years in the CAT competition and never won. We finally made it a priority and then we cleaned up. The Russians, after DESERT STORM, really have nothing to lose in this. Their tanks are already viewed as being subpar. The Americans better play to win.<<<

In fact Russians are into it for a long time. It is mostly a competition between regiments, tank building companies and also a good show. Friendly foreign nations involved sometimes. US tankmen played it with the Russians to, using Russian equipment under Torgau program (during Bush’s presidency).

I have no problem with using selected crews and prepared vehicles. It is a kind of sports after all.


42 posted on 08/11/2013 7:41:03 AM PDT by cunning_fish
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To: Gen.Blather

When Army, any Army, have to support their ground troops, there is no other choice but to involve tanks. Air Force can give limited support against concentrated targets but it’s impossible to do that against single targets with RPG’s on their shoulder. Regarding your statement about Israeli tanks in Lebanon, loses was minimal but most important that military can learn and improve defense of the tanks in the future.


43 posted on 08/11/2013 7:50:32 AM PDT by QQQQ
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To: Chode
Armour and Vodka... what a combination, sounds like my kind of party!

A YouTube moment waiting to happen ;-)

44 posted on 08/11/2013 7:56:27 AM PDT by varon ( cum tyrannis para bellum)
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To: Chode

Who puts rear view mirrors on a tank?


45 posted on 08/11/2013 8:06:22 AM PDT by meatloaf
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To: varon
oh yeah...
46 posted on 08/11/2013 8:17:43 AM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: cunning_fish

As General Schwarzkopf pointed out, comparing combat to something else is not a good idea. He said something to the effect that comparing war to a symphony didn’t work because in the symphony, no one came charging out of the percussion section with a knife trying to kill you. Tanks are not sports. We didn’t win the CAT trophy for years because, quite frankly, it was irrelevant. The US Army was training thousands of tank crews to win wars, not a few to win a trophy. Hitting targets with the main gun and machineguns on a range is important, but it’s not the only thing. The targets don’t shoot back. I had a friend who was on the American team that won the CAT. That was serious business. I am just not sure that Obama and company would take this seriously, and that would be giving a needless black eye to our military. I’ve been out of the hatch for a while, but I’m pretty confident that as a whole, we still have the best trained tankers in the world. They need to take it seriously or stay out.


47 posted on 08/11/2013 8:18:16 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: meatloaf
it looks to be a Brit SPG so... i guess it's a Brit thing
48 posted on 08/11/2013 8:19:47 AM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: QQQQ

“When Army, any Army, have to support their ground troops, there is no other choice but to involve tanks”

I worked on the tank for 10 years, but I don’t know anything about tactics. The Army guys I talked to say it’s worthless in Afghanistan; no roads to speak of. They have replaced it with “tanks” built on a 6 ton truck chassis. So, the troops are getting support, just not from 105’s. But they say their engagements are taking place at 100 yards with machine guns. The truck “tanks” can apparently mulch the ground at that range. Target killing is done by drones and circling fighters/bombers and remotely launched missiles. (Hope I’m not getting this wrong. Speak up Army guys.) The real problem with the tank is getting it there and keeping it fed with fuel once it’s there.


49 posted on 08/11/2013 8:22:05 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: cunning_fish

The Russians need to sell targets for the US. I say go, let them win. That way our enemies can spend billions on new targets. I would rather our enemies spend the billions on tanks than millions on newer manpads.


50 posted on 08/11/2013 8:30:09 AM PDT by wgmalabama
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