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The Crusades Reconsidered
American Thinker ^ | August 11, 2013 | Mike Konrad

Posted on 08/11/2013 6:48:56 AM PDT by NCjim

One of the idiocies passed off for decades among Western historians is bemoaning the Crusades as evil. The Islamic world -- the Ummah -- has disseminated this imaginary charge against the West, and like fools, we have absorbed Arab lies and taken the blame to heart. But the most superficial reading of Western history should put that canard to rest.

Shortly before he died in June 632 AD, Mohammed ordered Muslims to prepare to wage war against the Eastern Roman (Byzantine) Empire.

Upon his death, Mohammed's successor, Abu Bakr, planned to fulfill those instructions. Plans were also made to conquer Zoroastrian Sassanid Persia.

This vainglorious troop of bandits should have been easily dispatched,

However. Persia and Byzantine Rome had just come out of a savagely vicious war which ended in 628 AD. Emperor Heraclius had finally imposed the total defeat over Persia that had eluded the earlier Roman Republic and the Caesars -- but Byzantine Rome, though victorious, was severely mauled. Persia was reduced to a state of anarchy; and forced to pay indemnities to Constantinople.

The Persian and Eastern Roman empires were attacked almost simultaneously around 633 AD, while both were still licking their wounds. So frightening were the Islamic advances that these former blood enemies made a sadly futile alliance. By 644, Persia fell anyway.

By 634 AD, Byzantine Palestine and Syria were being attacked. The Battle of Yarmouk in August 636 AD would see Eastern Roman forces beaten. Emperor Heraclius, the victorious warrior, a mere 8 years earlier, would have to sneak out back to Constantinople in a boat.

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1 posted on 08/11/2013 6:48:56 AM PDT by NCjim
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To: NCjim
"Part of this idiocy stems from a hyper-liberal view of history which views European Christianity as inherently evil. It permeates the culture of academia; and refuses to see the real evil of Islam.

"Sadly, a second cause is an ancillary residue of historiography which has a tradition of exaggerating the real crimes of Catholicism out of all proportion. The Spanish call this exaggeration the Black Legend of the Inquisition; and it results in a pseudo-acquittal of Islam, by blaming the Crusades on Catholicism."

2 posted on 08/11/2013 6:52:11 AM PDT by La Lydia
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To: La Lydia

-——Black Legend of the Inquisition———

The truth exceeded in villany only by the coverup of the infiltration of queers and pedos in the modern church


3 posted on 08/11/2013 6:55:46 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Travon... Felony assault and battery hate crime)
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To: NCjim

I am no historian by any means , but Muslims appear to be a fairly peaceful people as long as there are not too many of them.

A new Crusade to lower their numbers would lead to a more peaceful world.


4 posted on 08/11/2013 6:57:48 AM PDT by Venturer ( cowardice posturing as tolerance =political correctness)
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To: Venturer
Muslims appear to be a fairly peaceful people as long as there are not too many of them

Well, somewhat...when they're not beating their wives or genitally mutilating, raping, or honor-killing their daughters.

Or looking up in the Koran good justifiable reasons to kill their fellow man.

5 posted on 08/11/2013 7:06:14 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves Month")
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To: Venturer
Crusades II.

Were Not Done Yet


I think youre on to something!
6 posted on 08/11/2013 7:06:38 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey (Chicago Murder Updates..http://homicides.redeyechicago.com/)
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To: NCjim
Mohammed's successor, Abu Bakr

Abe Baker, I'll have to remember that name.

7 posted on 08/11/2013 7:07:45 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves Month")
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To: NCjim

Thank you for this article.

It’s become more pronounced since 9-11-2001. In order to justify the attack, IMO.


8 posted on 08/11/2013 7:11:44 AM PDT by Bratch
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To: NCjim

The sad part...?

“One may condemn the atrocities of the Crusaders, but what infuriates the objective student of history is that the far greater crimes of Islam are ignored.”

...nothing has changed.

Thank you, NCjim, for the article.


9 posted on 08/11/2013 7:13:29 AM PDT by moovova
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To: NCjim

My wife and I were out yesterday visiting various rug stores. As is very often the case, a number of these retailers were run by folks of ME “descent”. It actually made my skin crawl...made me nervous to be there.

Irrational feelings? Maybe.

Rational and prudent feelings? Probably.


10 posted on 08/11/2013 7:22:01 AM PDT by moovova
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To: NCjim

Too bad Mohammed wasn’t buried with a silver spike driven through his heart.

Vampires and their followers are hard to kill.


11 posted on 08/11/2013 7:30:08 AM PDT by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: NCjim

Memoirs of Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds (Vol. 2)

http://www.gutenberg.org/files/713/713-h/713-h.htm

From that volume:

“The Crusades”

http://www.gutenberg.org/files/713/713-h/713-h.htm#chap01

published in 1852


12 posted on 08/11/2013 7:31:41 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one)
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To: MeshugeMikey
Crusades II. Were Not Done Yet

I presume that you mean "We're" as in "We are", right?

Contraction cop mode /off

13 posted on 08/11/2013 7:36:29 AM PDT by SES1066 (Government governs best when it governs least!)
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To: NCjim

As long as we’re correcting the lies told about the crusades.
Let’s also correct the lies told about Genghis Khan. Genghis Khan did not destroy and pillage like I was always told. The Khan wanted a large empire for commerce. His armies conquered cities and changed governments. He allowed the citizens to keep their businesses, religion and freedoms, he just wanted trade. The only exceptions were Islamic cities. These gave him so many problems that his only course of action was to raze them to the ground. He could not negotiate with them and could not allow them to exist as they were a danger to everyone around them. The Khan did not destroy Christian, Hindu or even Pagan cities, just Islamic.


14 posted on 08/11/2013 7:37:42 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (Gun Control is the Key to totalitarianism and genocide.)
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To: SES1066

Yes We Are Not Done Yet


15 posted on 08/11/2013 7:42:29 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey (Chicago Murder Updates..http://homicides.redeyechicago.com/)
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To: NCjim

I see the crusades as a kind of peremptory action by the west. The Saracens were causing a lot of trouble in the Mediterranean basin and beyond in those days. The west decided the best thing to do was to take the fight to them.


16 posted on 08/11/2013 7:44:10 AM PDT by virgil
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To: NCjim
Why do we let the word "Crusades" be defined as "mean" and "hurtful", when the word "jihad" is not? It's not like the mooselimbs were ever ever downtrodden (Ottoman Empire, anyone?). Besides, the Crusades were only responses to the mooselimbs attacks on Europe.

Doesn't anyone study or know history anymore, or do they just listen to and believe everything they hear and read from the agenda-driven "news" media?

I say we should announce a new Crusade to rid the earth of the filthy radical mooselimb bent on destroying and subjugating the West. And really do it.

17 posted on 08/11/2013 7:47:05 AM PDT by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: Venturer
"Muslims appear to be a fairly peaceful people as long as there are not too many of them."

Somewhere on the Interwebs, there is an interesting analysis that correlates Muslim actions in a country with the percentage penetration of Islam in that country. It can be summed up as "the more there are, the more belligerent they become."

18 posted on 08/11/2013 7:51:10 AM PDT by I am Richard Brandon
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To: NCjim

Islam always was, is now and always will be, a vicious evil predatory plague on civilization. Offering nothing of value, it takes or destroys everything. It needs to be extirpated and its adherents converted or confined to the de4sert wastes which spawned them.


19 posted on 08/11/2013 7:53:28 AM PDT by ZULU ((See: http://gatesofvienna.net/) Obama, do you hear me?)
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To: Texas Fossil

We need to start with arming the Copts so they can defend themselves. Then add western countries special forces to the mix to help train.

Finally we need American missionaries who were former American military to travel through African continent and assist Christian nations with rebuilding the Church and the faith.

Raise pigs for food. That in and of itself will keep the religious fanatics away, hence they are killed and their rotting corpses encased in pig entrails.

If we don’t strike back, pretty soon it will be the commies on one side, the Muzzies on the other side and America and Israel caught in the middle. Put a traitor in the oval office with fanatical ties to both and we are doomed.

Oh wait......


20 posted on 08/11/2013 7:54:06 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (The reason we own guns is to protect ourselves from those wanting to take our guns from us.)
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To: La Lydia

I did not know it had a name, but the Spanish and the Catholic Church have been condemned by the moderns over their method of rooting out fake Christians while successfully prosecuting a guerilla war with the Muslims, a war that lasted over 400 years.

The moral of that story should be: when you fight that cancer, make sure you have air, land, sea, space, and intel superiority.

The current administration is making a huge strategic mistake with regard to the “War on Terra” by using NSA developed tools against domestic political opponents, thereby revealing those capabilities to the Muslim world.


21 posted on 08/11/2013 7:54:59 AM PDT by blackpacific
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To: Venturer

“Fairly peaceful people”- with a ‘submit or die’ philosophy? That’s like saying Nazism is a fairly peaceful ideology as long as there is no SS. In Islam EVERYONE is the SS- it’s just that not all squads are activated yet.
We’ve got to get rid of this idea that Islam is ‘peaceful’ in its core. It is not. The Koran is a rulebook for war, death and world domination. To insist that there is ‘goodness’ to reach at the core of Islam is to volunteer to be the next Daniel Pearl.


22 posted on 08/11/2013 7:59:11 AM PDT by ClearBlueSky (When anyone says its not about Islam...it's about Islam. That death cult must be eradicated.)
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To: MeshugeMikey

Well the good news is that they are lot dumber than they were in 632 due to over 14 centuries of marrying their first cousins. The second crusade should be a little easier. :-)


23 posted on 08/11/2013 8:02:24 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Venturer

It’s this sort of bigotry that has made FR a laughingstock all over the internet.


24 posted on 08/11/2013 8:04:07 AM PDT by warchild9
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

Or hi-jacking airplanes and flying them into office buildings or strapping on suicide-bomb vests and walking into a school, bus or crowded restaurant.


25 posted on 08/11/2013 8:05:28 AM PDT by NoKoolAidforMe (I'm clinging to my God and my guns. You can keep the change.)
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To: NCjim

IF WE HAD ONLY FINISHED THE CRUSADES WITHOUT TREATY.


26 posted on 08/11/2013 8:09:01 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: NoKoolAidforMe
hi-jacking airplanes and flying them into office buildings or strapping on suicide-bomb vests and walking into a school, bus or crowded restaurant.

Well, I was responding to when they "appear to be peaceful".

27 posted on 08/11/2013 8:09:56 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves Month")
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To: Georgia Girl 2

The bad news is that we as a Nation wont even admit that we NEED a Second Crusade!!


28 posted on 08/11/2013 8:10:09 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey (Chicago Murder Updates..http://homicides.redeyechicago.com/)
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To: MeshugeMikey

Wait until a few of the ones Barky is letting in from Palestine and Syria blow themselves up at the food court in the Mall. I think you will see a mini crusade at that point.


29 posted on 08/11/2013 8:11:39 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: warchild9
this sort of bigotry

You mean the bigotry of refusing to be "tolerant of the intolerant"?

That bigotry?

30 posted on 08/11/2013 8:13:05 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves Month")
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To: ZULU
I lack a college education but fortunately not the time necessary to READ their stinking Unholy Koran.

Anyone who can read an is willing to read that book will come away with the same take on it that you posted.

islam is a death cult.
31 posted on 08/11/2013 8:14:04 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey (Chicago Murder Updates..http://homicides.redeyechicago.com/)
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To: warchild9

“It’s this sort of bigotry that has made FR a laughingstock all over the internet.”

It’s your sort of political blindness that has made the USA a laughingstock all around the Dar-el-Islam.


32 posted on 08/11/2013 8:16:59 AM PDT by headsonpikes (Mass murder and cannibalism are the twin sacraments of socialism - "Who-whom?"-Lenin)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

America doesnt seem prepared to wage a Crusade against “no_limit_niggas” at this point so Im not certain tha anything would inspire her to defend herself from islamic THUGS.

I pray that Im wrong!


33 posted on 08/11/2013 8:17:13 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey (Chicago Murder Updates..http://homicides.redeyechicago.com/)
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To: warchild9

Why would you even associate yourself with such bigotry and a laughing stock?

There are a lot of other sites.


34 posted on 08/11/2013 8:18:06 AM PDT by Venturer ( cowardice posturing as tolerance =political correctness)
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To: NCjim
A corollary to this mythos is to cite the "golden Age" of Islamic Spain, aka Andalusia, as a time when benevolent Muslim overlords governed happy Christians and Jews in a great fellowship of "Children of the Book". Many propagandists have spread the concept that for a period of 300 years from the late 800s (A.D.) to the mid 1100s, the Islamic conquers of Visigothic Hispania 711-730 A.D., were kind and considerate to their Christian and Jewish subjects.

Perhaps by comparison to other eras and regions of conquest, maybe they were, but it was hardly a "Golden Age"! At no known time were the non-Muslims not subject to second-class status and increased taxation. Mass deportations and executions met most efforts to equalize the status of non-Muslims. While the Taifa rulers (local princes) were frequently weak and thus inclined to a "let live" religious and social tolerance, the relatively frequent waves of Muslim fundamentalism caused significant periods of intolerance and bloody repression in the 750 year period of Islamic Spain.

People tend to forget this period as explanation of why reconquered Christian Spain was so steeled in doctrine and orthodoxy and felt the need to expel Muslims, Jews and later Protestants as dangerous to what they had labored to reclaim. Remember that, even now, proponents of the "Islamic Caliphate" claim all of Spain and Portugal as part of Islam under the doctrine of once conquered, never given up.

35 posted on 08/11/2013 8:18:12 AM PDT by SES1066 (Government governs best when it governs least!)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

We are witnessing the convergence of The Left, The Muzzies and the Global Fascists against the Christians and Jews.

The problem in the US is the media is owned by The Left. Academia is owned by The Left. And they have invaded the management of some of the major Corporations.

At 19 my father was packing an M1 across Germany, Belgium and Checz. Now there are here in our face. He and I talk about this almost daily. He will soon be 88 and he still knows the enemy.


36 posted on 08/11/2013 8:19:03 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one)
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To: I am Richard Brandon

See Post #24 some do not agree, and say we are bigots.


37 posted on 08/11/2013 8:20:24 AM PDT by Venturer ( cowardice posturing as tolerance =political correctness)
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To: Venturer

38 posted on 08/11/2013 8:33:45 AM PDT by JoeProBono (Mille vocibus imago valet;-{)
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To: LibLieSlayer
"IF WE HAD ONLY FINISHED THE CRUSADES WITHOUT TREATY."

The Crusaders were pretty much constantly divided against each other, almost from the very beginning. They never had the numbers to maintain their power and it was pretty miraculous that they held on for the 200 years that they did.

39 posted on 08/11/2013 8:35:09 AM PDT by Flag_This (Real presidents don't bow.)
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To: Flag_This
The Crusaders were pretty much constantly divided against each other, almost from the very beginning. They never had the numbers to maintain their power and it was pretty miraculous that they held on for the 200 years that they did.

Kind of like the Libertarians and Conservatives of the Republican party.

40 posted on 08/11/2013 8:42:34 AM PDT by freerepublicchat
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To: Flag_This

They had mercy on muslims in the end and that is something that many generations have learned does not work and never will. The only contract satan wants is one for your soul and it is signed in blood.


41 posted on 08/11/2013 8:43:55 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: NCjim

BTTT


42 posted on 08/11/2013 8:53:58 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: NCjim

Disproportionalism seems to be a common malady of western historians


43 posted on 08/11/2013 8:55:08 AM PDT by tophat9000 (American is Barack Oaken .)
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To: Venturer

“...but xxx appear to be a fairly peaceful people as long as there are not too many of them.”

Now, doesn’t that apply to so many different groups, even in our own country.


44 posted on 08/11/2013 9:11:36 AM PDT by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: NCjim

“but do we remember that Islamic predation that was the real agent which caused the Dark Ages.”


Good article, but I find that statement to be a bit of a stretch. I think plague was the main causes of the Dark Ages. Plus, a portion of the Dark Ages were literally dark because of a large volcanic eruption.

http://www.nature.com/news/2008/080311/full/news.2008.665.html


45 posted on 08/11/2013 9:13:36 AM PDT by chessplayer
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To: blackpacific

“The moral of that story should be: when you fight that cancer, make sure you have air, land, sea, space, and intel superiority.”

You really do not need intel when when wiping out every last gene of these subhumans. Turn it all, and I mean ALL, to dust.


46 posted on 08/11/2013 9:15:04 AM PDT by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: warchild9; Venturer
laughingstock is it? Read this if you can concentrate

What Islam Isn’t
By Dr. Peter Hammond
FrontPageMagazine. com | Monday, April 21, 2008

http://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/muslim-behavior-with-population-increase/

47 posted on 08/11/2013 9:27:18 AM PDT by I am Richard Brandon
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To: BuffaloJack

Interesting point. Reference? I would like to know more...


48 posted on 08/11/2013 10:02:00 AM PDT by Utilizer (Ba-con Ah'hkkba'aar! <- In muzlim world, men=men and goats=nervous. ->)
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To: Georgia Girl 2
Well the good news is that they are lot dumber than they were in 632

You might be onto something.
49 posted on 08/11/2013 10:12:19 AM PDT by caveat emptor (!)
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To: BuffaloJack
I read quite a bit about Genghis Khan in recent years and I agree fully. He was the first true "internationalist", and would have the leaders of major religions brought together to debate one another.

Had it not been for the Black Plague we'd probably all be Mongols now (and I don't meet motorcycle-riders!)

50 posted on 08/11/2013 10:21:47 AM PDT by The Duke
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