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Obamacare Targets Catholic Hospitals to Strip Them of Tax-Exempt Status
Front Page Magazine ^ | August 11, 2013 | Daniel Greenfield

Posted on 08/11/2013 12:21:58 PM PDT by EternalVigilance

We’re talking about non-profit hospitals, but a sizable percentage of them are religious hospitals affiliated with the Catholic Church, various Jewish and Protestant hospitals, formerly or currently representing some religious status.

Catholic hospitals make up some of the largest non-profits in the country. Indeed the top four systems in the country are Catholic.

Next on the list is Kaiser Permanente, which is non-religious and which Obama described as a model for Obamacare. Its CEO, George Halvorson, has met with Obama and his top people and pushed Obamacare.

Draw your own conclusions. In either case, the Obamacare non-profit clampdown will empower the IRS to effectively shut down non-profit hospitals.

Healthcare experts warn that the Obamacare’s new requirements make it almost impossible for charitable hospitals to navigate treacherous new waters.

“It requires tax-exempt hospitals to do a community needs survey and file additional paperwork with the IRS every three years. This is to prove that the charitable hospital is still needed in their geographical area — ‘needed’ as defined by Obamacare and overseen by IRS bureaucrats,” said John Kartch, spokesman for Americans for Tax Reform.

“Failure to comply, or to prove this continuing need, could result in the loss of the hospital’s tax-exempt status. The hospital would then become a for-profit venture, paying income tax — hence the positive revenue score” for the federal government, Kartch said.

Additionally, the rise in the number of insured Americans under Obamacare will make it more difficult for tax-exempt hospitals to continue meeting required thresholds for treating the uninsured, driving more hospitals into the for-profit category and yielding more taxable money for the federal government.

Obamacare’s new requirements could slam hospitals with massive $50,000 fines if they fail to meet bureaucrats’ standards.

Healthcare experts warn that the Obamacare’s new requirements make it almost impossible for charitable hospitals to navigate treacherous new waters.

As it will be for us all. This is Obama’s America after all. Charity was outlawed in the USSR. It will be outlawed in OSSR if things go that far.


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1 posted on 08/11/2013 12:21:58 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: EternalVigilance

Why? I thought they were leaving the religious organizations alone. Liars. Again.


2 posted on 08/11/2013 12:25:51 PM PDT by madison10
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To: EternalVigilance

I don’t know. Many people and governments have come against the Catholic Church. The amount of money and resources of the Catholic Church rivals a developed country.


3 posted on 08/11/2013 12:27:54 PM PDT by VRW Conspirator (Producing Talk Show Prep since 1998.)
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4 posted on 08/11/2013 12:28:28 PM PDT by Nachum
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5 posted on 08/11/2013 12:29:05 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: EternalVigilance

Caatholic, Jewish, and Protestant charity hospitals all across America have two strikes against them (from O’s perspective)...,
1. they are Christian or Jewish, and
2. they are reducing America’s dependence on Obama/government/centralized control.

SO, they have to be forced out or taken over.
Simple. Indeed, this “transformation” of America is “transparent”


6 posted on 08/11/2013 12:29:07 PM PDT by faithhopecharity (E)
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To: EternalVigilance

Hey Bambi, didn’t the Catholic vote put you in the White Hut twice in the last 6 years? Don’t bite the hand that feeds you.


7 posted on 08/11/2013 12:32:55 PM PDT by 353FMG ( I do not say whether I am serious or sarcastic -- I respect FReepers too much.)
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To: EternalVigilance

The Obama regime is showing how pro-atheist it is same as Stalin and Mao Tse Tung. Kill religion and their social outreach services!! Take away their incomes and give it to favored leftist groups such as Acorn, La Raza, Acorn offshoots

Just look who will be getting Federal funds to be “navigators” for Mugabe-Care... All are leftist NGOs


8 posted on 08/11/2013 12:35:55 PM PDT by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: EternalVigilance
Good afternoon.

It might sound crazy (unless you look at the NSA, IRS, FEC scandals), but it may be best to change the party affiliation on your voter registration. Otherwise, the Death Panels (IPAB) will insure democRATs will get the rationed care before Republicans.

5.56mm

9 posted on 08/11/2013 12:38:37 PM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: EternalVigilance

Evil.

No other word for it.


10 posted on 08/11/2013 12:40:20 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: 353FMG

No need to feed. Term Limits.


11 posted on 08/11/2013 12:41:30 PM PDT by I am Richard Brandon
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To: madison10

Comrade, you can’t treat someone without papers!


12 posted on 08/11/2013 12:41:48 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge
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To: EternalVigilance

The evidence continues to mount, as we all knew from the beginning, is just another in a long series of legislation passed by the liberals under the guise of “helping the poor” that is really designed to empower a super-rich, corporate elite and squeeze everyone else out. This law already has blocked the construction of numerous physician-owned health care facilities to protect large corporate interests, and now the nonprofits will be the next to go. Certainly this will discourage the construction of any new facilities that may have been in the works, and now the ones currently standing may disappear, devastating access to healthcare facilities for all.


13 posted on 08/11/2013 12:43:38 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: 353FMG

Hrm? If the entire electorate were Catholic, Obama would have lost in 2008. Even in New York, Catholics supported Romney over Obama.


14 posted on 08/11/2013 12:43:47 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge
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To: VRW Conspirator
Part of the problem is that many of these hospitals with religious affiliations do so much business with government agencies that they can barely (if at all) be considered "religious" in any sense of the word.

Look what happened in some cities when governments began passing laws recognizing (and mandating) same-sex adoption. That drove many Catholic organizations to get out of adoption programs that they never should have been involved with in the first place.

15 posted on 08/11/2013 12:44:11 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: 353FMG

That “hand” would vote for him a third time.


16 posted on 08/11/2013 12:45:34 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (If you vote for evil because you can't see evil, you ARE evil!)
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To: M Kehoe

No problems here. I dropped Republican Party registration five years ago.


17 posted on 08/11/2013 12:50:44 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Equal Protection for the individual's unalienable right to life is not optional. It is imperative.)
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To: EternalVigilance

Of course. The chief hates anything Catholic.


18 posted on 08/11/2013 12:50:58 PM PDT by I want the USA back (Liberalism is contrary to human nature. Promoting liberalism comes from a strong hatred of self.)
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To: EternalVigilance

Are you listening, Cardinal Dolan?


19 posted on 08/11/2013 12:55:36 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: VerySadAmerican

Take notice all you Catholics who voted for him!


20 posted on 08/11/2013 12:55:42 PM PDT by lu shissler (ecause)
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To: faithhopecharity
Catholic, Jewish, and Protestant charity hospitals all across America have two strikes against them (from O’s perspective)...,
1. they are Christian or Jewish, and
2. they are reducing America’s dependence on Obama/government/centralized control.

and 3. They've shirked the primary function of any prole in The Won's Utopia of Dysfuction....lining up to be bled for the maximum amount of taxes.

21 posted on 08/11/2013 1:00:25 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: EternalVigilance
Obamacare’s new requirements could slam hospitals with massive $50,000 fines if they fail to meet bureaucrats’ standards.

Considering that Michelle Obama used to get paid $340,000 per year by a hospital in Chicago while her husband was a state senator, a 50K penalty is small change.

22 posted on 08/11/2013 1:11:19 PM PDT by Bernard (The Road To Hell is not paved with good results.)
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To: Still Thinking

well, once O imposes lots of new, impossible regulations on the charity hospitals that they can’t possibly comply with, then the next step is to either declare them ineligible for charity tax status or else ineligible for federal payments, or both.
result will predictably be lots of charity hospitals closing or losing their religious affiliations and becoming “public Obamacare hospitals” instead

or something like that. sort of like how churches and synagogues in Russia were converted by the communists there into public property warehouses or government bureaucracy offices


23 posted on 08/11/2013 1:11:59 PM PDT by faithhopecharity (E)
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To: madison10

If they strip Catholic hospitals of non-profit status, they can no longer deny contraception and abortion mandates on a religious basis.


24 posted on 08/11/2013 1:16:04 PM PDT by tbw2
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To: EternalVigilance

Obamacare Ruling: Religious Employers MUST Provide Birth Control Coverage
Saturday, June 29, 2013 9:21:10 AM · 22 of 24
mosesdapoet to shalom aleichem
Obama: ‘If Catholics (and Protestants) Have Their Schools ... That Encourages Division’
Wednesday, June 19, 2013 5:29:13 PM · 46 of 51
mosesdapoet to Zakeet
WHAT DID YOU EXPECT ?
This address to the Irish accompanied by his usual entourage of hundreds made during his stay in europe for the June 2013 Summit 8 conference might make it to the national scene but our media will sit on it.

The democrat party after taking complete control of both the House and Senate in 2008. Lost the House in 2010 thanks to the opposition by loosely organized groups known as the tea party later characterized by members of the administration as “terrorists”.. The word and reference to GOD was removed at their 2012 national convention. A fact that went un-noticed, un-touched, un-mentioned, and un-used by the RINOS and GOPES (GOP elite snobs) during that presidential 2012 election and now who are still running todays Republican party.

Even after reconsideration the decision was derided by the majority because it was re-installed over a majority voice vote supporting the removal.

If this were a political party in a parlimentary system it would be hyphenated and would (and should despite the difference) be refered to as the Demo-Com party. But the RINOS and GOPES can’t even call them “socialist”.

Any Catholic or Christian claiming to belong to this party is a hyprocrite and should be confronted and isolated with disgust and distain. It’s time to understand and face the facts that everything that has been edicted and ruled since that time including discarding the traditional concept of marriage has come out of the closet. They must be refuted.

Next Sunday mass print up a batch of these and stick one under each windshield wiper... Watch the (who and where from) does the screaming


25 posted on 08/11/2013 1:16:15 PM PDT by mosesdapoet (Serious contribution pause.Please continue onto meaningless venting no one reads.)
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To: EternalVigilance
Obamacare’s new requirements could slam hospitals with massive $50,000 fines if they fail to meet bureaucrats’ standards.

$50K per day is more likely, judging by the treatment of Hobby Lobby and other Christian chainstore businesses facing fines of up to $1.2 million per day:

[Leftist article:] Hobby Lobby lawsuit: how a company is cheating its employees to make a point

26 posted on 08/11/2013 1:29:18 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("Remember... the first revolutionary was Satan."--Russian Orthodox Archpriest Dmitry Smirnov)
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To: Alberta's Child
...when governments began passing laws recognizing (and mandating) same-sex adoption. That drove many Catholic organizations to get out of adoption programs that they never should have been involved with in the first place.

Seems that confidential pastoral care, religious avoidance of baby-killing, maternity wards and adoption go hand-in-hand, to me. What is your objection?

27 posted on 08/11/2013 1:32:31 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("Remember... the first revolutionary was Satan."--Russian Orthodox Archpriest Dmitry Smirnov)
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To: Louis Foxwell

Greenfield ping!


28 posted on 08/11/2013 1:33:44 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("Remember... the first revolutionary was Satan."--Russian Orthodox Archpriest Dmitry Smirnov)
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To: EternalVigilance
I wonder when they are going to go after Planned Parenthood's tax-free, "non-profit" status.

Cue sound of crickets chirping.

29 posted on 08/11/2013 1:38:43 PM PDT by Slyfox (Without the Right to Life, all other rights are meaningless.)
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To: EternalVigilance

That will help drive down the costs of heath coverage.not.


30 posted on 08/11/2013 1:44:26 PM PDT by Doomonyou (Let them eat Lead.)
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To: EternalVigilance

The Soviet Union and the Peoples Republic of China had a policy of State Atheism. Sounds like the Obama Regime is getting close to instituting that here.


31 posted on 08/11/2013 2:14:36 PM PDT by originalbuckeye
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To: originalbuckeye

Sure looks that way.


32 posted on 08/11/2013 2:16:50 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Equal Protection for the individual's unalienable right to life is not optional. It is imperative.)
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To: VRW Conspirator; EternalVigilance

Yeah! Why doesn’t the rich Catholic Church sell all those hospitals and then do something for sick people for change!?


33 posted on 08/11/2013 4:30:18 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (It's so simple to be wise. Just think of something stupid to say and say the opposite.)
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To: 353FMG

Don’t bite the hand that feeds you?

He’s not worried now. He/they have so much power now that he can do as he pleases.

Even if he confessed to DISASTROUS ECONOMY, FOREIGN POLICY, IRS SCANDAL, NSA SCANDAL, BENGHAZI, FAST & FURIOUS, EXTORTION 17, HEALTHCARE, IMMIGRATION, he wouldn’t get even a slap on the wrists.


34 posted on 08/11/2013 4:46:23 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (0bama's agenda—Divide and conquer seems to be working.)
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Sultan Knish ping list alert.


35 posted on 08/11/2013 5:08:33 PM PDT by Louis Foxwell (This is a wake up call. Join the Sultan Knish ping list.)
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To: EternalVigilance

Our Satanic POS president is only doing what is truly in his heart. Catholic leaders must stand firm even if it means that the Church stops providing healthcare, directly or indirectly. It’s time for choosing between God mammon; the Church knows that it cannot serve two masters.


36 posted on 08/11/2013 6:24:45 PM PDT by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est. New US economy: Fascism on top, Socialism on the bottom.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Chuckle.


37 posted on 08/11/2013 8:47:30 PM PDT by wonkowasright (Wonko from outside the asylum)
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To: All; EternalVigilance

So would you like to know how your Republican senator stands on defunding Obama”care”? Just click the link following the excerpt:

“But for Cruz’s effort to have teeth, the Republican senators must all be committed to absolutely refusing to vote for any spending bill that contains funding for ObamaCare. Senator Mike Lee is leading the charge to get his colleagues to commit to this approach, by putting their signatures to a letter affirming that they will refuse to vote for a CR that contains ObamaCare funding.

Support for the Cruz bill is absolutely meaningless without also signing Mike Lee’s letter.
snip

Below is the list of Republican Senators and where they stand on the Cruz bill and the Lee letter. (Updated: 7/30)

excerpt http://www.freedomworks.org/blog/jwithrow/does-your-senator-stand-with-mike-lee-against-obam

Especially contact the Republicans who have lost the courage to DEFUND O’care, but it won’t hurt to call and thank the senators who will support DEFUNDING O’care, so they won’t lose their courage.


38 posted on 08/12/2013 1:07:24 AM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: Alberta's Child
Not quite sure what you mean, saying religious organizations should not have been involved in adoptions to begin with.

The Catholic Church has been involved with adoptions since the Acts of the Apostles. St. Lawrence, the deacon-martyr and so forth: caring for "orphans and widows and sojourners in the land" was "their thing." Since the Prophets of Israel, in fact.

The Church has a lot more business doing this, than the State.

Don't you think?

39 posted on 08/12/2013 4:52:09 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (It's so simple to be wise. Just think of something stupid to say and say the opposite.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Don't get me wrong. The Catholic Church should certainly be involved in adoptions. What it should not be doing, though, is getting involved in the state's adoption business and processing adoptions under Caesar's terms. That's the kind of thing that is ultimately going to end badly in any case, since the Church and the state have two completely different objectives (*) when it comes to adoption.

Maybe a lawyer can chime in here and tell me if I'm wrong, but is there anything that would prevent the Catholic Church from carrying out its own adoption process without any involvement of a government agency?

(*) -- I put the asterisk here because I should say that the Church and the state are supposed to have different objectives when it comes to adoption. Once you had Catholic organizations conducting business with state agencies for adoptions, I suspect the truly Catholic approach for adoption went right out the window.

40 posted on 08/12/2013 5:05:10 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: Albion Wilde
No objection at all. My point is that these religious organizations should be engaging in these charitable efforts without getting into bed with the government to get paid for them.

If you do some research on Catholic Charities, for example, you'll likely get a sense that it's really just an enormous business, not a charity.

41 posted on 08/12/2013 5:17:41 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: EternalVigilance

It does make me wonder if there will be a real election in 2016.


42 posted on 08/12/2013 5:37:02 AM PDT by Rich21IE
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To: 353FMG
Hey Bambi, didn’t the Catholic vote put you in the White Hut twice in the last 6 years? Don’t bite the hand that feeds you.

Obama's the President of black Americans and white liberal elites. That's it. No others...

43 posted on 08/12/2013 5:51:34 AM PDT by GOPJ (Sob stories make bad law...)
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To: GOPJ

Christians need to wake up to the fact that the political left is out to ELIMINATE Christianity.


44 posted on 08/12/2013 5:53:37 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Alberta's Child
Thank you for that clarification.

In every state, adoption agencies need to be licensed even if they are totally, 100% private with no govt. money at all. In an increasing number of states, all adoption agencies, even private and church-related, are required to make adoptive children available to homosexuals.

That is why Catholic adoption agencies have been shut down by law in Illinois, Massachusetts, California and elsewhere. Soon, I fear, coast-to-coast.

45 posted on 08/12/2013 7:30:30 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (It's so simple to be wise. Just think of something stupid to say and say the opposite.)
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To: tbw2; don-o
Conscience rights for Catholic hospitals? They don't have them now. That's what that whole HHS kerfluffle was all about.

OK. As of now, nobody can be forced to actually perform an abortion. But that's it. Catholic hospitals are now, right NOW being told they can't deny admitting privileges to abortionists. Plus Catholic hospitals, as employers, must offer the same contraceptive, sterilization, morning-after-pill coverage to every employee as part of their HHS-mandated insurance benefit.

If I thought the bishops, the hospitals themselves, the nuns' religious orders which still influence or control the boards of directors and trustees, the Catholic Health Association and so forth, were going to gird up their loins and sound forth the trumpet on this one, I would grab my torch and pitchfork and run to the roar --- so would hundreds of thousands of other Catholics.

But I hear

: : : crickets : : :

And I see no strategy being put forth to fight this thing.

That's what blows my mind: the institutions which were supposed to FIGHT Obamacare, the only ones who can --- the Catholic healthcare systems, the other health nonprofits, the Republican party for Godsake --- are silent. Divided within themselves. Or running up the white flag and handing Obama the keys to the city.

46 posted on 08/12/2013 8:15:15 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("No one on earth has any other way left but -- upward.” - Alexander Solzhenitsyn)
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To: EternalVigilance

related:

Bigger Hospitals May Lead to Bigger Bills for Patients
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3053818/posts


47 posted on 08/12/2013 1:31:52 PM PDT by Lorianne (fedgov, taxporkmoney)
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To: originalbuckeye

Not actually state atheism, more like either atheism or Islam, take you pick.


48 posted on 08/14/2013 12:04:35 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: EternalVigilance; 185JHP; 230FMJ; AKA Elena; APatientMan; Albion Wilde; Aleighanne; ...
Moral Absolutes Ping!

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And the tyrannical push to destroy religion and morality continues at warp speed. Too bad there is no opposition party.

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49 posted on 08/14/2013 12:04:45 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Where is moral courage, Mrs?? Where are the courageous people standing up for God, for morality, for our rights and freedoms guaranteed under the Constitution? And we as individuals can really do nothing. We live under (supposedly) a representative Republic, not a pure democracy.

Where is the opposition to this tyranny?


50 posted on 08/14/2013 12:06:37 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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