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Edward Snowden is a patriot
Politico ^

Posted on 08/11/2013 6:30:03 PM PDT by chessplayer

Does President Barack Obama think we’re stupid?

That’s the only conclusion possible after watching Friday’s bravura performance in which the president announced a set of proposals meant to bring more transparency to the National Security Agency — and claimed he would have done it anyway, even if Edward Snowden had never decided to leak thousands of highly sensitive documents to The Guardian’s Glenn Greenwald.

But even as he grudgingly admitted that the timing, at least, of his suggestions was a consequence of Snowden’s actions, the president declared, “I don’t think Mr. Snowden was a patriot.” When you look at what has changed over the past two months, though, it’s hard not to wonder, “What could be more patriotic than what Snowden did?”

First, the results: More than a dozen bills have already been introduced to put a stop to the NSA’s mass phone record collection program and to overhaul the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, which has reinterpreted the Fourth Amendment in secret, creating a body of privacy law that the public has never read. A half-dozen new privacy lawsuits have been filed against the NSA. The Pentagon is undergoing an unprecedented secrecy audit. U.S. officials have been caught deceiving or lying to Congress. The list goes on.

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1 posted on 08/11/2013 6:30:03 PM PDT by chessplayer
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To: chessplayer

“We mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our Sacred Honor” — Snowden did this more than most people. He risked it all to do what he thought he had to do for his country.


2 posted on 08/11/2013 6:32:14 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (21st century. I'm not a fan.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

i am with you. until its proven he shared data that compromises us security i will stick to this position.


3 posted on 08/11/2013 6:35:47 PM PDT by Donnafrflorida (Thru HIM all things are possible.)
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To: chessplayer

if obozo dont like him, he must be a good guy........


4 posted on 08/11/2013 6:39:23 PM PDT by Red Badger (Want to be surprised? Google your own name......Want to have fun? Google your friend's names........)
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To: ClearCase_guy

By his own admission, he joined the NSA specifically to betray secrets.

Then he took those secrets and ran to any communist country that would have him. China, Russia, hell, he was shopping around for Cuba and Venezuela too.

Somehow he doesn’t seem the Patrick Henry type.


5 posted on 08/11/2013 6:40:38 PM PDT by frickin_frackin
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To: ClearCase_guy
He's a hero in my book until proven otherwise (and not by an Obama court).

Obama hates America...anyone who rebels against the tyranny of Obama is a patriot.

Hold on...there is a knocking at my front door...

6 posted on 08/11/2013 6:40:46 PM PDT by RoosterRedux (Liberals' first line of defense is emotion...the fall back position is specious reasoning.)
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To: frickin_frackin
Then he took those secrets and ran to any communist country that would have him. China, Russia

Minor correction: it's not Russia, it's the Soviet Union.

7 posted on 08/11/2013 6:42:55 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: chessplayer
I’m not sure that we learned anything new from Snowden except confirmation that the US Government is collecting data, emails and recording telephone calls on US citizens.
8 posted on 08/11/2013 6:43:16 PM PDT by pterional
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To: ClearCase_guy

“We mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our Sacred Honor” — Snowden did this more than most people. He risked it all to do what he thought he had to do for his country.”

I TOTALLY agree. Mr. Edward Snowden is a PATRIOT! What COURAGE has shown! Our “government” is NOTHING but lies!


9 posted on 08/11/2013 6:43:51 PM PDT by 2harddrive
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To: ClearCase_guy

You can tell a lot about a man by his enemies.

And Snowden’s biggest enemy is a gay muslim Constitution-hater who gets our people killed and then lies about it.

GOOD GOING SNOWDEN...!

Let’s see who the kneepad-wearing badge-lickers are..!

Let’s get some real knee-padded quislings, come on guys, come on out..!


10 posted on 08/11/2013 6:45:32 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: chessplayer

Eric Snowden is a POS traitor who’s actions jeopardized patriot’s lives. I retired from active duty in ‘02 & I was read out of programs that I’m sure have been declassified by now. Yet out of a sense of deep seeded patriotism I’ll never speak of programs that I know protected American lives. To see this Snowden coward embraced by some conservatives shakes my confidence in conservatism. Cheney is RIGHT, Snowden is not a patriot!


11 posted on 08/11/2013 6:46:11 PM PDT by blaquebyrd
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To: chessplayer

Does anyone with more sense than a rock (necessarily excludes Progressives) think for a second that they are building a gigantic data storage site in Utah just to keep the phone number, length of call, etc. metadata information that could easily be stored on a couple large servers? They are collecting all the information for calls, emails, financial transactions, and every thing electronic.


12 posted on 08/11/2013 6:49:26 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (The only growth industries left under Progressives are government and poverty.)
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To: frickin_frackin

As I recall, he tried other nations first, and only Russia, Venezuela, etc. would accept him.

Bless you, Snowden. We all had some vague and hazey idea that we were being spied on. Snowden clarified that. It was far worse than we ever dreamed.


13 posted on 08/11/2013 6:51:27 PM PDT by stilloftyhenight (Proud bitter clinging wacko bird chirper.)
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To: stilloftyhenight

hazy


14 posted on 08/11/2013 6:53:40 PM PDT by stilloftyhenight (Proud bitter clinging wacko bird chirper.)
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To: chessplayer

He is neither hero, nor a traitor, but luckily for us, many of his actions will have benefited us.


15 posted on 08/11/2013 6:54:40 PM PDT by Paradox (Unexpected things coming for the next few years.)
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To: chessplayer

Rulebook SEZ don’t do it, but SNOWDEN DID..! Dat BAD...! >:(

Plus LOTS of suckaz with *short hair* ALSO sed heez baaaad..!

An lossa folks who don’ smoke da pot also no like him..!

Scrambled egg hat guys sed he bad, so he real bad...!!!

ALWAYS do whut people abuv you SAY..!!! Safe, an stuff..!

I got me a flag sticker and I was big-time Army, see? We got regs, and stuff...! RULES....!

RULES IS GOOD AN’ STUFF...!!! >_<

SNOWDEN BAAAAD...!!


16 posted on 08/11/2013 6:56:51 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: chessplayer

Snowden is an ethically challenged useful idiot who did not use the resources available to him to make his concerns known to those who are responsible.

I do not believe, at the moment, they have to ability to “listen” to all phone conversations, but, with the phone numbers in the meta data they can rapidly drill down and listen to the conversations of interest if the conversations are recorded. It is when conversations can be analyzed in real time that I believe that the boundary has been overstepped. Your conduct is in the national interest and you have to prove you are innocent instead of proven guilty.


17 posted on 08/11/2013 6:57:21 PM PDT by depressed in 06 (America conceived in liberty, dies in slavery.)
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To: blaquebyrd
The “system” did not prevent 9-11.

Those who violate the 4th Amendment and peeping tom my emails are despicable pigs!

18 posted on 08/11/2013 6:57:42 PM PDT by texican01
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To: chessplayer

I don’t see him as a hero. He was a leftist, who took the oath of secrecy with the deliberate intention of violating it. I don’t think he is a very nice guy.

That said, no question that what he did has benefitted the country, especially because he did it while Obama was in charge. Probably he would have been happier doing it when Bush was in charge, but never mind.

I think this is a case of the left betraying the left—an internal quarrel in the ranks of liberals. But I certainly agree that it has done a lot more good than harm.


19 posted on 08/11/2013 7:00:18 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: gaijin

Let’s see who the kneepad-wearing badge-lickers are..!

Let’s get some real knee-padded quislings, come on guys, come on out..!


They’re starting to crawl out of the woodwork.


20 posted on 08/11/2013 7:01:06 PM PDT by chessplayer
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To: texican01

Sheesh man, the system that some here are defending didn’t prevent terrorist attacks that happened since it’s been in place, Fort Hood and Boston!


21 posted on 08/11/2013 7:01:25 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: depressed in 06

Snowden is an ethically challenged useful idiot who did not use the resources available to him to make his concerns known to those who are responsible.


And, of course, the power hungry sob’s responsible would have listened to him, right?


22 posted on 08/11/2013 7:05:12 PM PDT by chessplayer
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To: chessplayer

Right after 9-11 there was something people said:

“If we change the way we live, THEN THE TERRORISTS WIN..!!”

They had a point, but it was repeated so often that it seemed almost vapid:

“Tropical shirt today..? Or maybe the toned-down one...?”

“TROPICAL shirt, bro..! Don’t change, man..! Tone it down and the TERRORISTS WIN, MAN..!”

Silly, but you catch my drive. AND YET:

Observe just how incredibly much people are asking us to change now, will you? Tell me:

WHICH of our founders would have approved of the intercept and storage of ALL of our electronic communication..?

Can’t you see that even if we permitted the intercept of just 1% of it that we would no longer be America..? Yet we are permitting FAR more than that.

If we want to remain a free country then we profit immeasurable more by staying out of unnecessary wars and preventing the immigration of dangerous people —that’s MUCH cheaper, more feasible and will not compromise our basic institutions.


23 posted on 08/11/2013 7:08:11 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: 2harddrive
Mr. Edward Snowden is a PATRIOT! What COURAGE has shown

No, he's a traitor. Courage? Running like a coward is courage? If he thinks he is right then stay and fight. Running to China and Russia....please. I'm glad he told the American people that they are being illegally spied on, but sharing all that intel to the enemy is inexcusable.

24 posted on 08/11/2013 7:08:12 PM PDT by chesty_puller (Viet Nam 1970-71 He who shed blood with me shall forever be my brother. Shak.)
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To: RetiredTexasVet
"Does anyone with more sense than a rock (necessarily excludes Progressives) think for a second that they are building a gigantic data storage site in Utah just to keep the phone number, length of call, etc. metadata information that could easily be stored on a couple large servers? "

Have you served in the ME? ME Savages raise their kids to think of only one divine goal, kill Americans. They are serious, determined and yes as 911 proved successful. Snowden and his American enablers play right into Putins hands. It's disgusting to see Putin praised on Free Republic.

25 posted on 08/11/2013 7:08:54 PM PDT by blaquebyrd
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To: depressed in 06
"Snowden...did not use the resources available to him to make his concerns known to those who are responsible."

What available resources? The MSM? His congressman? Even if he would have taken his info directly to Ted Cruz or Rand Paul, Snowden would have found himself riding shotgun with Michael Hastings.

26 posted on 08/11/2013 7:09:01 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: blaquebyrd
He's a traitor against our unconstitutional government. He proved our government is violating EVERYONE'S rights. That makes him a true Patriot and protector of our God given rights. Rights are endowed by the Creator, not the government.

If he didn't do it, the government would still deny collecting/analyzing personal data of innocent American citizens. It would just be another crazy conspiracy theory. The ONLY reason this is being seriously discussed is Snowden. He won just by having the government admit it. We ALL won.

27 posted on 08/11/2013 7:13:50 PM PDT by varyouga
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To: gaijin

Am I the only one worrying about POSHITUS referring to Snowden in the past tense?


28 posted on 08/11/2013 7:14:14 PM PDT by txhurl ('The DOG ate my homework. That homework, too. ALL my homework. OK?' - POSHITUS)
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To: texican01

Peeping Tom your emails? Sir your military is actively killing jihadists who would be honored to slice your head off and shove it up your ass. This conservative hero worship of this POS traitor coward Snowden is embarrassing.


29 posted on 08/11/2013 7:19:29 PM PDT by blaquebyrd
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To: chessplayer
Any regular reader of The Register or /. learned nothing new from Snowden. I'm leaning heavily towards patriot. Bless the little hearts of you who are not paying attention. All hail President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho! Truely a candidate for our times.


30 posted on 08/11/2013 7:22:59 PM PDT by Mycroft Holmes (<= Mash name for HTML Xampp PHP C JavaScript primer. Programming for everyone.)
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To: txhurl

You are not the only one:

They asked Holder in open session, “Is it your view you have the legal authority to use a drone to —for EXAMPLE— kill an American suspected of terrorism in a CAFE in a major city inside of the USA...?

Holder did NOT say no immediately, with a shocked look on his face:

In fact he had to be asked FOUR different ways before he finally gave a straight answer, and only then did he say no.

So you KNOW he really thinks yes.

Yeah, I think they’d off him the minute Snowden set foot on CONUS, the Chicago way.

I think his dad is right to tell him to STAY AWAY.

People who still consider DC a plausible venue for a modern-day remake of, “Mr. Smith Goes to Washington” consider his flight to Russia as an act of cowardice.

I think it’s likely his decision to flee was based on OTHER very ugly things he probably knows about.


31 posted on 08/11/2013 7:24:06 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: chessplayer

I have to agree. Snowden did what he had to do and what he should do.


32 posted on 08/11/2013 7:27:20 PM PDT by citizen (We get the government we choose. America either voted for Obama or handed it to him by not voting.)
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To: gaijin

The folks who want Snowden hanged are very ‘interesting’ in their freeping habits.


33 posted on 08/11/2013 7:28:19 PM PDT by txhurl ('The DOG ate my homework. That homework, too. ALL my homework. OK?' - POSHITUS)
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To: gaijin
You can tell a lot about a man by his enemies.

Ain't that the truth.

Snowden screwed over Obama and the socialist DemoRat surveillance police state, including the alphabet agencies and government employees that are loyal to Obama.

Let that sink in for a moment.

And as far as government employee loyalty to Obama, Chris Stevens can tell ya what that gets ya.

Naw, it's not patriot or traitor, Snowden simply did a service (possibly selfishly) for those restoring a Constitutionally limited Federal government.

34 posted on 08/11/2013 7:30:27 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: varyouga

BS—Putin & the Jihadists won. You think Snowden didn’t share our national secrets with our enemies? You fools applauding Snowden think Iran doesn’t have a copy of everything on those hard drives.


35 posted on 08/11/2013 7:49:15 PM PDT by blaquebyrd
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To: blaquebyrd
ME Savages raise their kids to think of only one divine goal, kill Americans. They are serious, determined and yes as 911 proved successful. Snowden and his American enablers play right into Putins hands. It's disgusting to see Putin praised on Free Republic.

Maine Savage?

I though Putin was a Russian.

36 posted on 08/11/2013 7:50:13 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves Month")
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To: blaquebyrd

We fools don’t know and you the wise guru do, and will provide links to reliable sources to support your assertions.


37 posted on 08/11/2013 7:51:01 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Revolting cat!
Sheesh man, the system that some here are defending didn’t prevent terrorist attacks that happened since it’s been in place, Fort Hood and Boston!

That just means we didn't sacrifice enough freedom!
The system still works, I swear!

[/sarc]

38 posted on 08/11/2013 7:54:43 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Cicero

I agree, it was a dispute between the anarcho-leftist and the facist-leftist.


39 posted on 08/11/2013 7:57:07 PM PDT by Truthsearcher
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To: chesty_puller
No, he's a traitor. Courage? Running like a coward is courage? If he thinks he is right then stay and fight.

Fight in a government that has already suspended Habeus Corpus and asserts the legal right/authority to conduct assassinations?
Yeah… you don't call someone jumping in front of a bus and expecting it to stop courageous, you call them insane.

Running to China and Russia....please. I'm glad he told the American people that they are being illegally spied on, but sharing all that intel to the enemy is inexcusable.

You really don't understand, do you? The government is treating us as the enemy.

40 posted on 08/11/2013 7:57:51 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: chessplayer

bookmark


41 posted on 08/11/2013 7:58:15 PM PDT by GOP Poet
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To: chessplayer; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; Gilbo_3; NFHale; Impy; Liz; ...
RE:”Does President Barack Obama think we’re stupid?
That’s the only conclusion possible after watching Friday’s bravura performance in which the president announced a set of proposals meant to bring more transparency to the National Security Agency — and claimed he would have done it anyway, even if Edward Snowden had never decided to leak thousands of highly sensitive documents to The Guardian’s Glenn Greenwald.
But even as he grudgingly admitted that the timing, at least, of his suggestions was a consequence of Snowden’s actions, the president declared, “I don’t think Mr. Snowden was a patriot.” When you look at what has changed over the past two months, though, it’s hard not to wonder, “What could be more patriotic than what Snowden did?”

Politico dissing Obama? Tell me it aint so.

Yes, Obama was going to do this ANYWAY even if there was no Snowden.
And you can keep your doctor and health insurance policy too. And it cuts the deficit.

42 posted on 08/11/2013 8:00:15 PM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US Citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: blaquebyrd
Have you served in the ME? ME Savages raise their kids to think of only one divine goal, kill Americans. They are serious, determined and yes as 911 proved successful. Snowden and his American enablers play right into Putins hands. It's disgusting to see Putin praised on Free Republic.

I have, and you know something — I can respect what Snowden did.
The oath all military men take (you, me, & him) is to the Constitution. Period.
If the government is violating the Constitution then they are breaking the law.
And if they break the law, why should the law protect them? Indeed, can the law legitimately protect unlawful activity?

43 posted on 08/11/2013 8:00:48 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: txhurl

No.


44 posted on 08/11/2013 8:01:22 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: blaquebyrd

From eastern Europe to Africa, the criminal organization calling itself our federal government is using good men and women in the military to strengthen the enemies of the American people. Those who keep their mouth shut and cover for them are just as guilty.


45 posted on 08/11/2013 8:02:01 PM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: txhurl
" The folks who want Snowden hanged are very ‘interesting’ in their freeping habits."

Yeah as quiet as it's kept I hear they are actually, and you didn't hear it from me--PATRIOTS who didn't hand their country's secrets over to the Russian president. All of you Putin boot lickers should join your traitorous hero in Russia.

46 posted on 08/11/2013 8:02:04 PM PDT by blaquebyrd
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To: Donnafrflorida

“until its proven he shared data that compromises us security”

BINGO~!


47 posted on 08/11/2013 8:03:53 PM PDT by B4Ranch (AGENDA: Grinding America Down ----- http://vimeo.com/63749370)
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To: chessplayer

Scoundrels pretending patriots always wrap themselves in the flag. Now they wrap themselves in the Office!


48 posted on 08/11/2013 8:05:18 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: pterional
I’m not sure that we learned anything new from Snowden except confirmation that the US Government is collecting data, emails and recording telephone calls on US citizens.

The US Government is collecting data, emails, etc., without probable cause or a warrant. The the NSA is passing that information to other government agencies. I was not aware of the extent until Snowden squealed.

49 posted on 08/11/2013 8:05:28 PM PDT by Chgogal (Obama "hung the SEALs out to dry, basically exposed them like a set of dog balls..." CMH)
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To: freedomfiter2

Russian and Putin are our enemy. You think Snowden’s intel isn’t being shared with America’s enemies?


50 posted on 08/11/2013 8:05:50 PM PDT by blaquebyrd
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