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Police: Shooting death of Hudson Falls man was 'justifiable homicide'
Post Star ^ | 8-10-13 | Don Lehman

Posted on 08/11/2013 6:44:15 PM PDT by smokingfrog

Vermont authorities have determined that the June 16 shooting death of a Hudson Falls man who was killed as he was stabbing his ex-girlfriend at a home in western Vermont was "justifiable homicide" and no charges will be filed.

Vermont State Police announced Friday night that the man who shot 29-year-old Aaron Allen as he stabbed his former girlfriend at her home in Danby, Vt., was "legally justified" to take action as she was attacked.

Michael White, 24, of Danby, Vt., shot Allen twice with a .30-06-caliber rifle, and Allen died the next day at Rutland Regional Medical Center in Rutland, Vt. The woman was attacked, Heather Thompson, 22, survived several knife wounds and was expected to make a full recovery.

Police said White was defending Thompson, himself and their residence on John Corey Road when he used deadly physical force.

(Excerpt) Read more at poststar.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Vermont
KEYWORDS: banglist; selfdefense

1 posted on 08/11/2013 6:44:15 PM PDT by smokingfrog
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To: smokingfrog

Righteous vicarious self defense!

I’m no gun expert, and have not heard a 30.06 in many years, but at relatively close quarters, I’m sure it was loud and effective!


2 posted on 08/11/2013 6:47:07 PM PDT by Wally_Kalbacken
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To: smokingfrog

Shot in the act?

Doesn’t get much more justified than that.


3 posted on 08/11/2013 6:47:56 PM PDT by null and void (Frequent terrorist attacks OR endless government snooping and oppression? Soon we'll have both!)
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To: smokingfrog

The guy was shot, twice!!!, with a 30-odd-6 and lived to the next day??? That thing will bring down a full grown buck!


4 posted on 08/11/2013 6:47:58 PM PDT by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: smokingfrog

I love a Happy Ending. :)


5 posted on 08/11/2013 6:49:09 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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To: jeffc
"The guy was shot, twice!!!, with a 30-odd-6 and lived to the next day??? That thing will bring down a full grown buck!'

At the time of the adoption of the .30-06, one of the key considerations in an issue infantry rifle was its ability to drop a cavalry mount.

6 posted on 08/11/2013 6:50:32 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: smokingfrog
It's a good thing that Allen wasn't “of color”.
7 posted on 08/11/2013 6:54:33 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (If Obama Had A City It Would Look Like Detroit)
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To: Joe 6-pack

At 600 yards.


8 posted on 08/11/2013 6:54:36 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: jeffc

That would be “thirty-aught-six” - where did you come up with ‘odd?’


9 posted on 08/11/2013 7:08:08 PM PDT by Ron C.
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To: jeffc
The guy was shot, twice!!!, with a 30-odd-6 and lived to the next day??? That thing will bring down a full grown buck!

Rarely a buck is given the best life-saving treatment that a team of paramedics and the ER crew can offer.

10 posted on 08/11/2013 7:10:00 PM PDT by Greysard
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To: smokingfrog

***twice with a .30-06-caliber rifle***

What was he using? FMJs?


11 posted on 08/11/2013 7:12:49 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: smokingfrog

Because a restraining order is just a piece of paper.


12 posted on 08/11/2013 7:14:16 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Any load in that caliber should kill a man where he stands.Must have been poor shot placement.


13 posted on 08/11/2013 7:15:03 PM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: smokingfrog

sounds as though the mother was perfectly justified in refusing the dude to see his little baby since the dude is a violent disaster, the lawyer needs to stfu


14 posted on 08/11/2013 7:15:51 PM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: smokingfrog

Aaron Allen got the same justice as Trayvon Martin. For the same reason.


15 posted on 08/11/2013 7:17:32 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: yldstrk

But he couldn’t see his baby on Father’s Day!!!


16 posted on 08/11/2013 7:21:54 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( ==> sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: smokingfrog

Next year doesn’t look good either.


17 posted on 08/11/2013 7:24:32 PM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

my thought 2

nosler ballistic tips disintegrate on impact


18 posted on 08/11/2013 7:27:12 PM PDT by bigheadfred (INFIDEL)
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To: smokingfrog

A 150 grain ‘06 will make about 2,800 feet/second and close 3,000 ft/lbs energy. A 9mm handgun round maybe 1,100 ft/sec and 400ish ft/lbs energy.


19 posted on 08/11/2013 7:30:10 PM PDT by umgud (2A can't survive dem majorities)
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To: jeffc
The guy was shot, twice!!!, with a 30-odd-6 and lived to the next day??? That thing will bring down a full grown buck

the gun will bring down a grizzley bear.....must have been a very careful shooter aiming for the big toe or wherever...

20 posted on 08/11/2013 7:38:53 PM PDT by terycarl
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To: Wally_Kalbacken

Had my 1942 Johnson at the range today... yep, the 30.06 is loud and effective...


21 posted on 08/11/2013 7:47:11 PM PDT by oldoverholt
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To: oldoverholt

You own a Johnson!!!!I would think it would be too valuable to shoot.


22 posted on 08/11/2013 7:50:01 PM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: Ron C.

Ummmm..... ‘cuz I am?


23 posted on 08/11/2013 7:51:50 PM PDT by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: smokingfrog
"Michael White, 24, of Danby, Vt., shot Allen twice with a .30-06-caliber rifle, and Allen died the next day at Rutland Regional Medical Center in Rutland, Vt. The woman was attacked, Heather Thompson, 22, survived several knife wounds and was expected to make a full recovery."

And once again reality bears out that old saw: "don't bring a knife to a gunfight...!"

24 posted on 08/11/2013 7:56:04 PM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: Farmer Dean

LOL... you sound like my friend who shoots with me... he always gives me heck when I shoot the Johnson... I don’t put many rounds through it but any gun I have I like to shoot... :)


25 posted on 08/11/2013 7:57:00 PM PDT by oldoverholt
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To: Wally_Kalbacken

You can be sure that nobody in that room when the ‘06 was fired could hear anything for hours.


26 posted on 08/11/2013 8:00:25 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor

“You can be sure that nobody in that room when the ‘06 was fired could hear anything for hours.”
One of them still can’t.


27 posted on 08/11/2013 8:38:51 PM PDT by MCF
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To: Farmer Dean

Could be he was aiming to make sure that he didn’t hit the victim


28 posted on 08/11/2013 8:41:19 PM PDT by sharkhawk (Mr Gorbachev, tear down this wall.)
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To: jeffc

Actually it is not 30 odd 6, it is 30 ought 6. Ought being the way, back in the day, of saying zero. There fore the .30-06, meant a 30 caliber made in 1906, or 19Ought6.Taught to me back in the day by my mother who used the term ought right up until the day she died. You are correct is finding it odd that the guy lived for a while after being shot twice with one.


29 posted on 08/11/2013 8:54:07 PM PDT by calex59
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To: jeffc

Correction on my last comment Ought should be spelled aught. Senior moment I guess:)


30 posted on 08/11/2013 8:56:01 PM PDT by calex59
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To: umgud
A 150 grain ‘06 will make about 2,800 feet/second and close 3,000 ft/lbs energy. A 9mm handgun round maybe 1,100 ft/sec and 400ish ft/lbs energy.

Actually, the standard load for 150grn in an 06 is 2970 fps. A .308 clocks in at 2860. There are some newer rounds that will turn in closer to 3100 in the 06. The original loading, however, for the military back in 03 and 06(the .30-03 preceded the .30-06)was 2700 fps. Now days the 180grn clocks in at 2700 or around there.

Sorry to be nitpicky, a bad habit of mine.

31 posted on 08/11/2013 9:03:10 PM PDT by calex59
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To: sharkhawk

“Could be he was aiming to make sure that he didn’t hit the victim”

Yes. He likely had to be very careful with the shots.


32 posted on 08/11/2013 9:03:16 PM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: terycarl

Perhaps. If one gets lucky. But larger and heavier calibers are recommended. Try .338mag for starters. Or .375 H & H.

'06 should be enough for most black bears, though. Brown bears can get about 3x bigger.

33 posted on 08/11/2013 9:20:39 PM PDT by BlueDragon (Post Tenebras lux)
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To: Greysard

[Rarely a buck is given the best life-saving treatment that a team of paramedics and the ER crew can offer.]

Grey, me thinks you are ready for “prime time”.


34 posted on 08/11/2013 9:48:31 PM PDT by Islander2
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To: jeffc

Yeah. Must have had FMJ or just missed the vitals.


35 posted on 08/12/2013 1:05:02 AM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: BlueDragon
the gun will bring down a grizzly bear
Perhaps. If one gets lucky. But larger and heavier calibers are recommended. Try .338mag for starters. Or .375 H & H.

Back before the animals all got body armor, the old '06 was plenty big medicine. My brother killed everything in Alaska with one, my Dad used the .308.

I got caught up in the magnum craze. 308 Norma Mag, 350 Rem mag, even a 458Win. Even had a 338 mag. Hated it! Sold it back to the feller I bought it from.

Then, I bought a .280 Rem. For the first time in years, I really enjoyed shooting, I could even see the muzzle blast through the scope. I didn't need a spotter to tell me where I hit, I could see the bullet make a hole in the target! The "06 is enough gun for ANYTHING on the North American continent. Shot placement is everything.

36 posted on 08/12/2013 1:16:26 AM PDT by snowtigger (. Thanx to Charlie Daniels, " Let them win, or bring them HOME")
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To: Eagles6
Yeah. Must have had FMJ or just missed the vitals

He may not have been trying to kill, just stop the attack.

37 posted on 08/12/2013 1:20:15 AM PDT by snowtigger (. Thanx to Charlie Daniels, " Let them win, or bring them HOME")
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