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Is Ted Cruz the 2016 GOP frontrunner? In Iowa, maybe
Washington Examiner ^ | 08/12/2013 | Byron York

Posted on 08/12/2013 9:08:10 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

There are no polls showing Ted Cruz leading the 2016 Republican presidential field in the Iowa. A PPP survey last month found Cruz in sixth place in the state, behind Rand Paul, Chris Christie, Paul Ryan, Jeb Bush, and Marco Rubio. But after a particularly well-received appearance at a conservative event in Ames, Iowa over the weekend, there seems little doubt that Cruz, who has been in the U.S. Senate all of eight months, is zooming toward the front of the GOP pack in the nation’s first-voting state.

The gathering, sponsored by the social conservative organization Family Leader, featured appearances by Rick Santorum, winner of the 2012 Republican caucuses, and Cruz, along with billionaire gadfly Donald Trump. From all accounts, Santorum was a popular speaker; the social conservative crowd appreciated not only his positions but the enormous effort he has made to get to know the state of Iowa and its conservative residents.

But Santorum’s welcome could not compare to the wildly enthusiastic reception for Cruz. Joined by his pastor father, Rafael Cruz — he was a big hit, too — the Texas freshman senator wowed the crowd, and then wowed them again.

“The reception for Santorum was appreciative, consistent, and steady,” Bob Vander Plaats, head of the Family Leader and organizer of the event, told me via email. “The anticipation for and reception of Cruz was over the top. He was propelled by an amazing speech by his father, Rafael. All that said, Cruz delivered. Most walked away talking Cruz!”

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonexaminer.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Iowa
KEYWORDS: 2016; cruz; iowa; potus; tedcruz
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QUESTIONS ABOUT HIS CONSTITUTIONAL ELIGIBILITY STARTS IN 10,9,8....
1 posted on 08/12/2013 9:08:10 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Let’s apply the same standard that applied to Owhatshisface.


2 posted on 08/12/2013 9:13:03 AM PDT by Silentgypsy (:))
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To: SeekAndFind

Fox News is portraying the 2016 contest as a three-way race between Fats, Bushy and El Reconquistador.


3 posted on 08/12/2013 9:13:48 AM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: Fiji Hill

RE: El Reconquistador.

Questions about Senor Cruz’s eligibility apply to El Reconquistador. as well.


4 posted on 08/12/2013 9:17:48 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

I think it is being forgotten that while Santorum was always received with small e enthusiasm, he was not considered a serious contender in Iowa until near the end. If there had been a serious socially conservative alternative, he probably would NOT have won Iowa.

It’s different with Cruz. People are enthusiastically supporting him, not doing so with a shrug of the shoulders.

Moreover, he appeals across the conservative/liberatarian perspective. Even those ambivalent to social issues but libertarian leaning on econ love Cruz.

Cruz may win the nomination.

I don’t think he can win the general, but, at least we will lose with a message. I’d prefer that to losing with a moderate where we lose the race, AND lose the message.

That said: I hope tons of y’all can explain to me that a fearless conservative like Cruz can actually win the general in today’s America. I just don’t feel that in my bones anymore, but, wow, would I love to be wrong.....


5 posted on 08/12/2013 9:20:46 AM PDT by ConservativeDude
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To: Silentgypsy

Ted Cruz....yes!!! “www.dontfundobamacare.com” Sign it!!!


6 posted on 08/12/2013 9:25:41 AM PDT by JLAGRAYFOX ( My only objective is to defeat and destroy Obama & his Democrat Party, politically!!!)
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To: ConservativeDude

Michael Medved writes that Americans vote for talented politicians with winning personalities. Ideological purity isn’t a priority.

See here:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324136204578642003851557518.html


7 posted on 08/12/2013 9:25:49 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Eventually that is going to come up.

IMO Obama already cracked that glass ceiling.

There is no way Cruz can be turned down without opening the Pandora’s box on Obama.

We are all entitled to know Obama’s secrets, all of them.


8 posted on 08/12/2013 9:29:50 AM PDT by Venturer ( cowardice posturing as tolerance =political correctness)
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To: Fiji Hill

I have no doubt Christie will be a formidable candidate. It will be revealed early that the public wants nothing to do with another Bush (can u imagine Bush vs Clinton?) and that without the base Rubio has nothing with which to compete in primaries. Christie for all his faults is popular. Not my choice i recognize the reality.


9 posted on 08/12/2013 9:30:29 AM PDT by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: ConservativeDude

What did Obama offer besides race and an ability to speak? How’s that for hope?


10 posted on 08/12/2013 9:31:31 AM PDT by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: Silentgypsy

Let’s apply the same standard that applied to Owhatshisface

If you do-— then you are ligitimase the usurpter Obama and have no higher standards then the dimocrats


11 posted on 08/12/2013 9:32:32 AM PDT by munin (MSNBC?)
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To: SeekAndFind

So what is the deal with his birth? Wasn’t he born in Canada? And saying that Obama is ineligible, etc is an absolute non-starter. I simply don’t buy it and, even if true, it has nothing to do with Cruz’s eligibility. I hope he is eligible but I was unaware of this issue til recently. Guess I need to do some research.


12 posted on 08/12/2013 9:33:58 AM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: SeekAndFind

Oh never mind. Did my research. Appears his Mom was an American citizen at the time. That solves it.


13 posted on 08/12/2013 9:35:27 AM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: wiggen

Well, I think what obama offered was that he positioned himself as a polite, moderate, pragmatic centrist. And because of extraordinary guilt from the unthinking middle, they bought it.

And - shock - it turns out that he is a leftist!

If Cruz can focus on the conservative messages that resonate Across The Board, and then of course, govern from the hard right....then he might have a chance.


14 posted on 08/12/2013 9:35:59 AM PDT by ConservativeDude
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To: Venturer
Eventually that is going to come up.

Of course it will. And, the Cruz haters will buy lots of books and DVD's from birther hucksters. But, none of that will matter because the vast majority of Americans will correctly regard his having been born a citizen as sufficient to make him a natural born citizen.

Ted Cruz - 2016

15 posted on 08/12/2013 9:36:22 AM PDT by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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To: RIghtwardHo

I don’t see how Cruz can run since he was born in Canada. In fact, I wasn’t sure about McCain, though he was born on U.S. territory in the Canal Zone.


16 posted on 08/12/2013 9:36:48 AM PDT by Entrepreneur (We're past the tipping point - the only variable is the rate of decline)
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To: RIghtwardHo

RE: So what is the deal with his birth? Wasn’t he born in Canada? And saying that Obama is ineligible, etc is an absolute non-starter.

From Breitbart’s legal columnist Ken Klukowski :

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/03/11/Yes-Ted-Cruz-Likely-Eligible-to-be-President

No one is certain what that means. Citizenship was primarily defined by each state when the Constitution was adopted. Federal citizenship wasn’t clearly established until the Fourteenth Amendment was ratified in 1868. The Constitution is not clear whether it means you must be born on U.S. soil, or instead whether you must be born a U.S. citizen.

Cruz was born in Canada, but his mother was a lifelong American, born in Delaware. (His father was a political refugee from Cuba.) So under federal law, Cruz was born an American citizen by virtue of his mother. His family moved back to Texas, where Cruz grew up, and lived his entire life except the years he spent in New Jersey attending Princeton, Massachusetts attending Harvard Law School, and Washington, D.C., clerking for Chief Justice William Rehnquist at the Supreme Court and later serving in the Bush administration.

So this former Texas solicitor general was born an American citizen and has spent almost all his life in America—usually serving his state or nation.

It would be better to report, “Some constitutional experts say he would be ineligible,” or more accurate still, “A small minority of constitutional experts say he would be ineligible.” But no one can make the unqualified claim that the Constitution declares Ted Cruz is unable to run for president.

There’s never been a court case to decide this issue, and there are only a few law review articles written by professors. The only professor I know of who thinks Cruz in ineligible to run for president also said John McCain was ineligible to run for president because he was born on a U.S. Navy base in Panama. I don’t recall any media outlet reporting John McCain was ineligible to be president.

The most likely meaning of the national-born clause is that you must have been an American citizen at birth, so that you would not have greater loyalty to some foreign nation. Cruz was born an American citizen, and has spent most of his life serving this nation with unabashed patriotism.

If Cruz runs for the White House, then one of his opponents in the primary would have standing to sue in federal court to argue Cruz is ineligible. But the smart money would be on a court agreeing that Cruz is as eligible as anyone else who was born an American citizen.


17 posted on 08/12/2013 9:41:46 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: Entrepreneur; RIghtwardHo

From Breitbart’s legal columnist Ken Klukowski :

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/03/11/Yes-Ted-Cruz-Likely-Eligible-to-be-President

No one is certain what that means. Citizenship was primarily defined by each state when the Constitution was adopted. Federal citizenship wasn’t clearly established until the Fourteenth Amendment was ratified in 1868. The Constitution is not clear whether it means you must be born on U.S. soil, or instead whether you must be born a U.S. citizen.

Cruz was born in Canada, but his mother was a lifelong American, born in Delaware. (His father was a political refugee from Cuba.) So under federal law, Cruz was born an American citizen by virtue of his mother. His family moved back to Texas, where Cruz grew up, and lived his entire life except the years he spent in New Jersey attending Princeton, Massachusetts attending Harvard Law School, and Washington, D.C., clerking for Chief Justice William Rehnquist at the Supreme Court and later serving in the Bush administration.

So this former Texas solicitor general was born an American citizen and has spent almost all his life in America—usually serving his state or nation.

It would be better to report, “Some constitutional experts say he would be ineligible,” or more accurate still, “A small minority of constitutional experts say he would be ineligible.” But no one can make the unqualified claim that the Constitution declares Ted Cruz is unable to run for president.

There’s never been a court case to decide this issue, and there are only a few law review articles written by professors. The only professor I know of who thinks Cruz in ineligible to run for president also said John McCain was ineligible to run for president because he was born on a U.S. Navy base in Panama. I don’t recall any media outlet reporting John McCain was ineligible to be president.

The most likely meaning of the national-born clause is that you must have been an American citizen at birth, so that you would not have greater loyalty to some foreign nation. Cruz was born an American citizen, and has spent most of his life serving this nation with unabashed patriotism.

If Cruz runs for the White House, then one of his opponents in the primary would have standing to sue in federal court to argue Cruz is ineligible. But the smart money would be on a court agreeing that Cruz is as eligible as anyone else who was born an American citizen.


18 posted on 08/12/2013 9:43:31 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: Tau Food; txhurl
Birther hucksters?

You've destroyed my faith in humanity......../s

:-)

19 posted on 08/12/2013 9:45:34 AM PDT by Lakeshark (KILL THE BILL! CALL. FAX. WRITE)
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To: munin

I suppose the sarc tag is necessary.


20 posted on 08/12/2013 9:53:26 AM PDT by Silentgypsy (:))
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To: ConservativeDude

We’ll see. I’m rooting for Cruz.


21 posted on 08/12/2013 9:56:01 AM PDT by Viennacon
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To: Venturer

Obama has nothing to do with Ted Cruz’s own position on his own eligibility. Had there never been an Obama, Ted Cruz is eligible and would explain it the same way, regardless of others’ circumstances.

When you link it with Obama, you’ve gone so far off the track of the issue of “natural born” and what that means, that the issue isn’t even rationally debatable.

I’ll take Ted Cruz on the defintion of “natural born” and his eligibility over the misinformed daily opines, any time, any place.

Just to have fun throwing this in, those who are the most adamant that Cruz is not natural born are actually - if you follow out the “logic” of what they’re claiming - saying that Cruz is not even an American. Not any kind of American.

Even if they don’t use those words, and even if they feign shock and surprise that they are claiming that whether intentionally or not, that IS the end result of their claim he can’t run.

The same claims made against his presidential eligibility would - if true - make him a foreigner. Either Canadian or Cuban - take your silly pick, or the only other option, A MAN WITHOUT A COUNTRY.

Whereas Cruz says you’re either a citizen when you are born, or else you must become naturalized later on, to be an American citizen.

Cruz and most legal scholars say being the offspring of an American citizen mother who was of legal age is the controlling factor making him a citizen at birth (natural born).

Not the soil of Canada, not the ancestral land of Cuba, not the naturalized father.

I’m advancing CRUZ’S position on the matter. Will I debate it with the outliers on FR? No, why should I? Cruz can handle it fine, himself, and has plenty of qualified help on the issue.


22 posted on 08/12/2013 9:57:27 AM PDT by txrangerette ("...hold to the truth; speak without fear." - Glenn Beck)
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To: Entrepreneur
I don’t see how Cruz can run since he was born in Canada. In fact, I wasn’t sure about McCain, though he was born on U.S. territory in the Canal Zone.

I don't think where Cruz was born will be an issue. The issue will be one citizen parent which is what he had, versus a two citizen parent requirement.

23 posted on 08/12/2013 10:13:59 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: SeekAndFind

Don’t kid yourself, the circular firing squad hasn’t even loaded their weapons yet.

First, there will be the outcry from conservatives over his birth status, and then the e-GOP will tell us who our canddiates are going to be.

Let’s see...isn’t it about Jebbies turn??


24 posted on 08/12/2013 10:14:22 AM PDT by bigbob
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To: bigbob
Let’s see...isn’t it about Jebbies turn??


25 posted on 08/12/2013 10:20:37 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: RIghtwardHo

Cruz’s mom was born in Delaware. Of course that brings to mind all kinds of Biden jokes, but Biden was actually born in Pennsylvania....


26 posted on 08/12/2013 10:24:29 AM PDT by BigEdLB (Now there ARE 1,000,000 regrets - but it may be too late.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Sorry, as exciting as Ted Cruz is for actually having a stiff conservative spine, being born in Canada to only one USA citizen parent, one thing he is not is a natural born Citizen (not that following basic Constitutional law seems to matter to anyone anymore these days), so he can't possibly run for president as a Constitutional conservative (as a dem maybe, but in either case, he would never get my vote).

Now, Sarah Palin - I'd vote for her again in a heartthrob. :-)

27 posted on 08/12/2013 10:38:04 AM PDT by elengr (Benghazi treason: rescue denied, our guys DIED, aka obama s/b tried then fried!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Is Ted Cruz the 2016 GOP frontrunner?

Yes.. he is in my house!


28 posted on 08/12/2013 10:42:29 AM PDT by Java4Jay (The evils of government are directly proportional to the tolerance of the people.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Yup...cue up the scab pickers.
29 posted on 08/12/2013 10:48:00 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks ("Say Not the Struggle Naught Availeth.")
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To: SeekAndFind

STOP IT! He was born in CANADA!


30 posted on 08/12/2013 11:04:24 AM PDT by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: RIghtwardHo

“Oh never mind. Did my research. Appears his Mom was an American citizen at the time. That solves it.”

WHAT? You are uninformed.

HE WAS NOT BORN ON U.S. SOIL, THAT solves it.


31 posted on 08/12/2013 11:07:52 AM PDT by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: Entrepreneur

” I wasn’t sure about McCain, though he was born on U.S. territory in the Canal Zone.”

NOOOOOOO he wasn’t The canal zone never was U.S. Territory and McCain was born in the city of Colon, which specifically was not under U.S. control.

OMG, the ignorance of the American people is breathtaking.


32 posted on 08/12/2013 11:11:58 AM PDT by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: SeekAndFind

” Federal citizenship wasn’t clearly established until the Fourteenth Amendment was ratified in 1868”

This is absolute BULL$HIT. The 14th amendment has NOTHING to do with Article II, Section 1, clause 5. “Natural Born Citizen” REQUIREMENT for president. Find the term “Natural Born Citizen” in the 14th amendment and I’ll give you a million dollars.


33 posted on 08/12/2013 11:15:57 AM PDT by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: SeekAndFind

” So under federal law, Cruz was born an American citizen by virtue of his mother.”

IT IS NOT ABOUT CRUZ BEING A “CITIZEN”!

It’s about the constitutional requirement that the president has to be a “Natural Born Citizen” Article II, Section 1, Clause 5.


34 posted on 08/12/2013 11:19:10 AM PDT by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: SeekAndFind

Posting these LIES twice doesn’t make it any more true.


35 posted on 08/12/2013 11:20:42 AM PDT by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: SeekAndFind

Cruz is ok, but he is funny looking. I’m not a big fan. Even if I were, I want my president to be constitutionally eligible. Call me old fashioned, but I still believe in the constitution and the founders and framers. It’s bad enough that we have had TWO ineligible presidents, let’s not throw out the constitution based on that. Forty-two others were eligible.


36 posted on 08/12/2013 11:29:25 AM PDT by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: faucetman; SeekAndFind
He was born in Canada to a Cuban father.

According to the official obamabio, that makes him a natural born Canadian.

The only way there is no controversy about a person's citizenship, resulting due to the circumstances of their birth, is if they are born in the country that both parents are citizens of when that child is born.

This is the ONLY circumstance where all people and nations agree about the person's citizenship. No law or treaty required needed. This has always been so, no matter if citizenship comes from where you were born or if from your Father or if citizenship comes from your mother.

Whatever they or we choose to call the most pure of all citizenship status, born in country to citizen parents (father in their time) is what the FFs meant with the eligibility requirement: "Natural Born Citizen".

What was the FFs' intent for this sole office holder, with command of the military, in needing/requiring this purest level of citizenship? What were they trying to accomplish?

What is meant by the only exception to that NBC status?

They weren't being arbitrary about it. This was a Revolution against the King and they took loyalty and American citizenship seriously. Remember what they did to hero Ben Arnold.

Had we heeded their requirement, we would have avoided both McCain and obama! Instead, we argue like children over the meaning of "is".

37 posted on 08/12/2013 11:29:55 AM PDT by GBA (Our obamanation: Romans 1:18-32)
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To: elengr

Cruz is, and will be shown to be, right about the meaning of natural born (citizen at birth, not by naturalization).

And yeah, he’ll have to make it without your vote.

Sniff...

Sob!

Not.


38 posted on 08/12/2013 11:36:33 AM PDT by txrangerette ("...hold to the truth; speak without fear." - Glenn Beck)
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To: faucetman

Inform yourself.

It ain’t the soil.


39 posted on 08/12/2013 11:37:26 AM PDT by txrangerette ("...hold to the truth; speak without fear." - Glenn Beck)
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To: faucetman

RE: It’s bad enough that we have had TWO ineligible presidents

Who was the other one?


40 posted on 08/12/2013 11:38:40 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: GBA

You’re smokin’ somethin, right?


41 posted on 08/12/2013 11:39:29 AM PDT by txrangerette ("...hold to the truth; speak without fear." - Glenn Beck)
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To: GBA

Not sure who wrote what here, but forget “CITIZEN”. It’s “NATURAL BORN CITIZEN” Article II, Section 1, Clause 5. It is NOT a different kind of citizenship! It is a SPECIFIC requirement to be president. Oh, how I wish they had called it something else.

The FFs, because the president is the “Command in Chief”, his loyalty was to be without question. They didn’t want the one man in charge of the Army of the United States to have loyalties to foreign countries. Read the John Jay letter to George Washington on the subject.

Just look at Obama. No real ties to the U.S. He is more closely connected to Muslim countries and Communism than he is to Christianity and Democracy. He grew up in foreign countries and then a state that had only been a state a few years. Is Obama American? No he is not, no matter where he was born. He should be ineligible just because of his father’s lack of U.S. citizenship. Cruz has the same problem. Cruz has the added NO QUESTION disqualifier of undeniably born in a foreign country.

The problem here is the ignorance of the American people, some of which are convinced of their specious arguments. ANY logical person who examines the facts can come to no other conclusion than that you have to be born in the United States by 2 citizen parents. That your eligibility to be a president of the United States is determined at the moment of your birth. Were you born on U.S. soil? Were BOTH your parents U.S. citizens at that time? PERIOD!

Now, U.S. soil must be defined. To be unquestionable, it would have to be one of the 48 contiguous states & the District of Columbia. Questions could still arise about Alaska & Hawaii if the candidate were old enough because of the recent nature of them becoming states. Territories and possessions are a crapshoot. Many different laws apply to these and citizens of these places are generally “citizens by statute”, “not citizens by birth”. A “Natural Born Citizen” has to be a “citizens by birth”.

Site all your court cases (most don’t apply) and spew all your venom. The Constitution of the United States is the SUPREME law of the land. Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 was written into the constitution for the reason described above and has not been amended other than to ADD the same requirement for the Vice President. (12th amendment, last sentence)


42 posted on 08/12/2013 12:13:08 PM PDT by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: faucetman
Site all your court cases (most don’t apply) and spew all your venom.

I think you have me confused with someone else.

The only people who are natural born citizens are those born in country to citizen parents at the time of their birth.

If you disagree with that, then we disagree.

No venom. Sorry to disappoint.

43 posted on 08/12/2013 12:18:32 PM PDT by GBA (Our obamanation: Romans 1:18-32)
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To: txrangerette
You’re smokin’ somethin, right?

Not understanding you. By this you mean?

44 posted on 08/12/2013 12:19:32 PM PDT by GBA (Our obamanation: Romans 1:18-32)
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To: GBA

sorry not personal, just using the occasion of your post. I thought you were quoting then responding. Wasn’t sure since it seemed there was opposing views in the same post. Anyway, we agree my brother.


45 posted on 08/12/2013 12:43:18 PM PDT by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: GBA
Historically, based upon the laws of the world, where does citizenship come from? Place? Father? Mother?

If citizenship comes from place, then Cruz is Canadian.

If citizenship comes from his Father, then Cruz is Cuban.

If citizenship comes from his Mother, then Cruz is American.

Based upon his birth, depending upon what you or your nation believes, you can claim Ted Cruz's citizenship by birth is Canadian, Cuban or American.

To be an American and nothing else, based upon the circumstances of birth, you must be born in America, to an American Father and an American mother.

That is the only way everyone and every nation agrees that child is an American and nothing else.

That is the practical definition of what the FFs called "Natural Born Citizen" in the POTUS eligibility.

No treaty or laws needed or required to make it so. It just is.

That's not Ted Cruz

And, that's not obama, either, not unless his official obamabio story is a lie.

46 posted on 08/12/2013 12:45:39 PM PDT by GBA (Our obamanation: Romans 1:18-32)
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To: faucetman
My mistake for not being more clear. I should have quoted what I was responding to. Your post contains the truth.

We are quick to throw everything away to win a popularity contest and waste our best opportunity for a true Leader in the Senate.

I guess we won't be keeping this Republic after all, Mr. Franklin.

47 posted on 08/12/2013 12:51:29 PM PDT by GBA (Our obamanation: Romans 1:18-32)
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To: GBA

generic you, impersonal you or indefinite you, not “you” (GBA)


48 posted on 08/12/2013 12:55:20 PM PDT by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: txrangerette

Well: That makes one of you.

We will see what happens.


49 posted on 08/12/2013 1:45:03 PM PDT by Venturer ( cowardice posturing as tolerance =political correctness)
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To: RIghtwardHo

The deal with Cruz is that he was born in Canada of an Cuban father, who might or might not have been friends of Castro, and a USA citizen mother. I am not one who sees Cruz as a USA ‘natural born citizen’ much to my regrets. If a Canadian birth is O.K. then I have to accept with all reluctance that the two sons of the Muslim Egyptian ex President Morsi are also eligible because they were actually born in the USA. I believe the Founding Fathers were very concerned with loyalties, and especially of such as a co-joined religious and government as Islam. If the USA today must depend upon one person for POTUSA as to ability/qualifications we certainly will have a struggle to get back to our Constitutional roots.


50 posted on 08/12/2013 2:37:31 PM PDT by noinfringers2
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