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Letter: Self-defense was not Zimmerman
The Albany Times-Union ^ | August 11, 2013 | Pete Nye

Posted on 08/12/2013 8:13:09 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Of course, it was self-defense, but not by George Zimmerman.

Let's forget blackness, racism, neighborhood watches and location for a moment and simplify the story.

Let's say a person spots someone he has a perceived beef with; maybe this person doesn't like the way the other guy looks, or the way the other guy looked at someone else, or doesn't want him around his neighborhood, or this person is just out for trouble. Now this person follows the other guy slowly in his car for a while, ultimately getting out and confronting him. Maybe he even pushes the other guy or brandishes a weapon. The other guy is quite scared; he responds by trying to do what most of us would do, defend himself. Maybe this stalked guy is lucky in the skirmish and actually gets on top of this person for a time; that is, until the stalker pulls out his gun and shoots and kills the other guy.

Yes, this is a classic case of self-defense or, should I say, attempted self-defense, but not by George Zimmerman. It was by the other guy, who was just minding his own business, Trayvon Martin. In New York, we would call this chain of intentional actions murder.

Pete Nye

Clarksville


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption
KEYWORDS: georgezimmerman; martin; trayvon; trayvonmartin; trayvonstroops; zimmerman
Amazing the pretzel logic you see in this case.
1 posted on 08/12/2013 8:13:09 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
It was by the other guy, who was just minding his own business, Trayvon Martin.

Another fact-free liberal opinion in this case.

2 posted on 08/12/2013 8:14:50 PM PDT by dirtboy
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It’s a letter to the editor by an idiot.


3 posted on 08/12/2013 8:16:27 PM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: nuconvert

Or, it’s a letter to an idiot by an editor.

Sometimes, it is hard to tell the difference.


4 posted on 08/12/2013 8:18:11 PM PDT by justlurking (tagline removed, as demanded by Admin Moderator)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I guess the duty to retreat only applies to those with guns?


5 posted on 08/12/2013 8:18:57 PM PDT by tonyinv (I no longer care enough to even say 'I told you so')
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To: justlurking

Lol.


6 posted on 08/12/2013 8:19:22 PM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Why are people still writing about this case without having learned any of the facts?


7 posted on 08/12/2013 8:20:09 PM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: dirtboy
it could be argued that Martin was defending himself, except the only witness who saw anything said that Martin was on tip of Z, that Z was screaming, and its Z who had a bashed in nose and a bloody head....

important too is the mindset...we know...we KNOW...that Martin was into street fighting, into drugs, suspended from school, not once but apparently several times, and he had drugs in his system that night...

while I 'm sure Z is no angel...he nonetheless was a law and order and justice sort of guy.

8 posted on 08/12/2013 8:22:13 PM PDT by cherry
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Maybe this stalked guy is lucky in the skirmish and actually gets on top of this person for a time

Ben Hogan: "The more I practice, the luckier I get..."

9 posted on 08/12/2013 8:22:46 PM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: ltc8k6
Why are people still writing about this case without having learned any of the facts?

They got their "facts" downloaded to them via the TeeVee...

10 posted on 08/12/2013 8:24:38 PM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

He forgot to say that Trayvon was a homophobe.


11 posted on 08/12/2013 8:28:01 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: ltc8k6
Why are people still writing about this case without having learned any of the facts?

Because the only facts they were interested in learning was the alleged skin color of the participants.


12 posted on 08/12/2013 8:29:16 PM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Let’s suppose we suppose and imagine, while thinking about what might or might not have been. And what if we then suppose while imagining and thinking about slavery while we think about slavery and racism. That would be murder. Case closed.

This is “thinking” like a lump of stinky cheese.


13 posted on 08/12/2013 8:29:57 PM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (Both parties are trying to elect a new PEOPLE.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Minding his own business? GZ reported that No Limits Nigga was acting strangely,as if he was on something.And,sure enough,the pathologist testified that he had a level of marijuana in his system that could affect his thinking and behavior.Add to that the evidence that he,a punk once found to be in possession of large quantity of women’s jewelry,was *lurking* in a complex that had had many break ins and the evidence *powerfully* suggests that he was doing *anything* but “minding his own business”.


14 posted on 08/12/2013 8:31:42 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (If Obama Had A City It Would Look Like Detroit)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If the United States doesn’t break up, demoKKKrats are going to need to be deprogrammed.


15 posted on 08/12/2013 8:32:09 PM PDT by varmintman
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To: nathanbedford

The North is still reminding us of the Civil War, that they won it. Of course it was also them who kept free blacks out.


16 posted on 08/12/2013 8:33:59 PM PDT by RobbyS
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yes that concocted fantasy sounds like self defense. However, by evidence and witness testimony that is not even remotely close to what happened between TM and GZ. Anyone can spin what-if scenarios all day long. That doesn’t mean they have anything to do with reality.


17 posted on 08/12/2013 8:35:50 PM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Stop obarma now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Public mental and moral flatulence.

Sadly, not unexpected in a country that puts Obama in charge. Twice.


18 posted on 08/12/2013 8:39:34 PM PDT by M1911A1
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Jury saw otherwise, Pete.


19 posted on 08/12/2013 8:40:58 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Pete Nye definitely not the Science Guy...or the Factual Guy, either


20 posted on 08/12/2013 8:44:20 PM PDT by SeminoleCounty (Difference between George Zimmerman and Al Sharpton is that Sharpton woulda let honky family burn)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Quite a vivid imagination there...

Travon was just defending himself, while he was sitting on George’s chest beating his head into the ground.

Right...

Mark


21 posted on 08/12/2013 8:45:59 PM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: ltc8k6
Why are people still writing about this case without having learned any of the facts?

Second class sore losers are entitled to know a few facts, but first class sore losers are required by law to know nothing, or at least, nothing that coincides with reality. That's just the way sore loser-ism works.

22 posted on 08/12/2013 8:50:12 PM PDT by Standing Wolf (No tyrant should ever be allowed to die of natural causes.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This is so... July.


23 posted on 08/12/2013 8:54:20 PM PDT by SoCalRight
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To: SoCalRight

2012.


24 posted on 08/12/2013 8:54:54 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I aim to raise a million plus for Gov. Palin. What'll you do?.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The author is conflating two points:

1) In legal terms, self-defense is an affirmative defense to a charge of homicide (or battery). A homicide victim cannot assert self-defense, because they aren't being charged with a crime. It's moot.

2) Everyone has a right to self-defense.

25 posted on 08/12/2013 8:58:57 PM PDT by Rightwing Conspiratr1
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To: justlurking
(good one)

actually, it is probably the screenplay...

26 posted on 08/12/2013 9:05:20 PM PDT by eccentric (a.k.a. baldwidow)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Or put another way...

Supposed they both were armed and they pull out their pistols and shoot each other dead.

Who is the charged with murder? Who had a right to self-defense? Was Justice done? Who the hell cares? It's moot.

27 posted on 08/12/2013 9:07:53 PM PDT by Rightwing Conspiratr1
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To: cherry

They choose to ignore the facts. Such as those presented by Jenteal, but not in cursive.


28 posted on 08/12/2013 9:16:55 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Simple. The one that calls the police first is not the one “looking for trouble”.


29 posted on 08/12/2013 9:35:12 PM PDT by Gumption
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Is Mr. Nye one of those folks that will need to be added to the exploding head watch once the Kruidbos lawsuit releases all of the contents of ex-Saint Trayvon’s phone?

Zimmerman spotted someone who looked suspicious. He happened to be % correct. Trayvon was a drug dealer and was caught with stolen jewelry at school.

Good job George!


30 posted on 08/12/2013 9:38:58 PM PDT by meatloaf
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To: kiryandil

“Maybe this stalked guy is lucky in the skirmish and actually gets on top of this person for a time

Ben Hogan: “The more I practice, the luckier I get...”

LOL

No matter how many times I cut this board, it’s still not long enough.


31 posted on 08/12/2013 9:49:11 PM PDT by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Hey Pete.
Someone needs to bash your head on concrete a few times...I volunteer.


32 posted on 08/12/2013 10:55:47 PM PDT by axxmann (If McCain is conservative then I'm a freakin' anarchist.)
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To: meatloaf

Let us note that Mr Zimmerman had no way of knowing a) that Mr Martin was only 17; b) that Mr Martin was unarmed; c) that Mr Martin was staying as a guest with a resident. Thus 3 elements of the anti-Zimmerman arguments are invalidated.


33 posted on 08/12/2013 11:07:34 PM PDT by VietVet (I am old enough to know who I am and what I believe, and I 'm not inclined to apologize for any of)
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To: VietVet; All

What is amazing to me about this as I peruse these postings is just how deep the control of the media by the regime on the general population reaches;
Essentially here is what actually happened

security guard’s job. .
It’s the second time the President of the United States has interjected himself into a confrontation between those in authority on legal grounds reasonably questioned and released someone involved in a curious activity in a patrolled area. Could this attitude be based from the idealized communist concept that there is no such thing as “private” property because the state (collective) owns the land ? .

In both cases those representing “authority” were reported as “white” . In the second case the person working security was attacked while on private rights of way while on foot discontinued an observation and was returing to his vehicle after being instructed by the police to do so.

Legally he could have approached Saint Trayvon but didn’t. Trayvon was allowed to continue on his way unimpeded. But didn’t. Trayvon doubled back and attacked the “neighborhood watch” worker as he was returing to his vehicle. Knocked him to the ground and began beating him severly. Saint Trayvon the attacker was subsequently killed in a struggle over the Neighborhood Watchman’s legal pistol.

While denied. It began as a miscalculation when a surname of a Jewish origin shot up and lighted the heavens like a star shell in the darkest of nights. It would have been difused if the media used pictures of both side by side because they look like cousins. Examined the area where this occured of paycheck to paycheck struggling homeowners of all races trying to protect themselves .But instead reported it was some ritzy all white enclave

Or killed the attempt to politicize it if our PC bound so called conservative talk shows brought the facts out defended Zimmerman,and interviewed those involved in such prgrams. Instead of playing with this for ratings.

Worse yet the media is still pilling it on with ABC editing a a black jury members (remember when they were all white)t remarks to make it sound like she accused Zimmerman of murder .

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3048225/posts http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3048631/posts

Instead the party that hypenated itself from God at their 2012 convention into demo-coms, and believe that all groups should be hyphenated , Afro-American, Hispanic-American, etc..Decided Zimmerman to be the egg that is to be broken,. sacrificed, so that we have an omlet..Just like Stalin did to the Ukrainian land owners known as Kulacks whom he executed, (and used that egg example) in a soclal engineering plan to organize collectives during a Russian drought..Because as we have learned there seems to be the intention to use a collective data base to create collectives.where a utopia of uniforimity of conformity exists. As was done in Detroit, and Oakland California.only this time a poor whitey or blacky won’t be able to move. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3053314/posts.

What better way to cover up Bengahzi, Fast and furious, IRS, Wind and Solar panel gate, NSA spying on US, Over-riding the constittution? Don’t look into who accompaines Obama on his many trips around the world at taxpayer expence ? Were they the heavy hitters or their friends holding the president’s hand ? Never looked into either by the House and certainly not even speculated about or reported on by the media. Seems like that could be considered pay back at US taxpayer expence. Isn’t that an impeachable offense ?

Now if somebody even suggests impeachment.. Pick on some security guard accuse him of being racist ,even though he is part black, but his last name sounds “jewish.”Who’s doing surveilance in an mixed race area of modest means a where there’s been robberies and burgalries by young blacks. Now call that surveilance, stalking, the area he’s patrolling owned by rich whities,and the guard of course white . Make that person he’s watching a 10 year old black kid and a saint ,not six foot two 165 pound 16 year old, who gets killed fighting over a gun. . Now put a target on the security guards back .Ain’t that neat ! What better way to discourage any investigation into malfeasance and corruption by organizing the base for riots in the streets ?

But that was the purpose of painting a target on Zimmermans back. Plus advance a socialist re-settlement program. But the Republican GOPES {gop elite snob(s)} and RINOS as well as conservatives have yet to speak out on any of this . The GOPES can’t even use the word socialist.


34 posted on 08/13/2013 2:12:41 AM PDT by mosesdapoet (Serious contribution pause.Please continue onto meaningless venting no one reads.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

You have no sense of self defense.
The victim in this case was always Zimmerman. The only reason their was an arrest and trial was because of race politics.


35 posted on 08/13/2013 4:57:30 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I go to sign for the American Revolution 2013 and the Crusades 2013?)
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To: SECURE AMERICA
Are these so-called journalists/writers ever going to let the Trayvon Martin vs Zimmerman thing ever die?

Put it to bed people, its over, Zimmerman was found NOT GUILTY, repeat NOT GUILTY. Need an explanation of what that means?

36 posted on 08/13/2013 5:11:37 AM PDT by DaveA37
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To: Gumption

According to my cop friends a first call to the police is freqently the perp particularly in domestic disputes.


37 posted on 08/13/2013 6:37:16 AM PDT by buffaloguy
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Funny how the writer left out the part where Zimmerman calls the police...

It’s also funny how there’s no “comments” section on that page... ;-)


38 posted on 08/13/2013 9:01:56 AM PDT by PreciousLiberty
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